[VIDEO] This one moment cost Pakistan the entire World Cup

[Crucifier]

This 5 second blunder from an incompetent , aging, old umpire cost Pakistan the entire world cup:

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The batsman walked across the stumps. 9/10 umpire would have raised their wrinkly finger. Even people in the comm box SCREAMED OUT the moment that ball hit the pads. Yet the umpire wanted to flex his umpiring skills and decided to give it not out despite BOTH teams having a review to rectify the mistake.

So why did the umpire give it not out?
- Flexing his umpiring prowess
- In BBCI's pocket?
- Personal agenda against Pakistan / didn't like how the game was going

IN THIS SITUATION, THE UMPIRE SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE IT OUT. If he's wrong, the batting team can review and if it's missing, there's NO HARM DONE. However, because the umpire gave it NOT OUT and it WAS CLIPPING, the bowling side suffers.

I always knew the time would come where an entire match / series / tournament would hinge on the futile decision of some old / outdated system of relying on old men who can't even see the wide lines (despite them being bright blue).

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If you genuinley believe a 9 game world cup campaign hinges on one decision then something is seriously wrong.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Before Fakhar, your top order played safe and defensive cricket, which led to your elimination from the semifinals with a low NRR.

 

[Rana]

How about the one moment when Babar luckily won the toss against SA and batted first, avoiding a certain 400 runs by his bowlers?

 

[MenInG]

How about the one moment when Babar luckily won the toss against SA and batted first, avoiding a certain 400 runs by his bowlers?

That cost us the World Cup?

 

[Rana]

That cost us the World Cup?

It should tell you that we lost to SA against their strength

 

[Crucifier]

If you genuinley believe a 9 game world cup campaign hinges on one decision then something is seriously wrong.

I know what you mean. Shouldn't have dropped Warner, shouldn't have lost to Afghanistan etc. However, that doesn't mean we should let shockers like that decision just slide. You can literally see the leg stump.

I want to know why more fuss wasn't made about this world cup deciding decision from the umpire. Surely THIS type of decision should make people rethink the whole 'umpire's call' nonsense.

 

[Rana]

How about Rassie’s lbw? That cost us the World Cup too?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

I know what you mean. Shouldn't have dropped Warner, shouldn't have lost to Afghanistan etc. However, that doesn't mean we should let shockers like that decision just slide. You can literally see the leg stump.

I want to know why more fuss wasn't made about this world cup deciding decision from the umpire. Surely THIS type of decision should make people rethink the whole 'umpire's call' nonsense.

There are many close umpire calls that turned in favor of Pakistani players. Did you consider those ?

 

[batandballbattle]

We also had the Van der Dussen decision go in our favour earlier in the game despite both impact and wickets being umpires call. So we have benefitted from umpires call and like other teams we have been on the wrong end of it also. Difference is some of those other teams do enough so that these moments don't matter

 

[Crucifier]

How about Rassie’s lbw? That cost us the World Cup too?

I am 100% against umpires call. I want a fair system so if it's hitting, it will ALWAYS be out. We don't need to pay old men to give wrong decisions on wides, no balls and out/not out. This is happening every single match.

I don't know why we're still flying these pensioners on business flights across the globe and basically giving them paid holidays when they can't even read the number plates in front of them.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I know what you mean. Shouldn't have dropped Warner, shouldn't have lost to Afghanistan etc. However, that doesn't mean we should let shockers like that decision just slide. You can literally see the leg stump.

I want to know why more fuss wasn't made about this world cup deciding decision from the umpire. Surely THIS type of decision should make people rethink the whole 'umpire's call' nonsense.

I think its fair to say it wasn't a good decision and create a fuss about that if you like.

But I disagree that it cost us the world cup and we shouldn't get overly emotional and pin the blame for our failures on the umpire.

 

[jiduguravindra]

What about vdd double umpires call? OK you will take that as it favors your team?

 

[Inzi_fan_No_1]

Embarrassing article

 

[Crucifier]

I think its fair to say it wasn't a good decision and create a fuss about that if you like.

But I disagree that it cost us the world cup and we shouldn't get overly emotional and pin the blame for our failures on the umpire.

I've been against the umpire's call ever since the beginning of its integration. This was a build up of many years of frustration where I've had to witness an umpires decision being the sole reason whether a batsman was out on 10 or went on to make 100+.

People need to stop turning a blind eye to umpire's decision. It is literally deciding more matches than people think. Many years from now , people will wake up and the system will eventually change but not before we endure many more years of frustration.

 

[Major]

I am 100% against umpires call. I want a fair system so if it's hitting, it will ALWAYS be out. We don't need to pay old men to give wrong decisions on wides, no balls and out/not out. This is happening every single match.

I don't know why we're still flying these pensioners on business flights across the globe and basically giving them paid holidays when they can't even read the number plates in front of them.

bro, umpires call makes the game fair.

Many people fail to understand the concept of hitting here.

 

[saqibali]

Time to educate some People. These are the few moments impacted our NRR and i have done my math.

1-We took 32 overs to chase 200 against Bangladesh. Should have completed that chase in 20 knowing our NRR is so behind NZ

2-Game against Australia, once it was clear we are not winning, the last 2 should have tried to bat out the overs and add another 20.

3-Game against South Africa, we bowled out in 46 overs. Nawaz could have batted with tail and add 20 more runs but he chose to throw.

4-Game against India, Once we were 7 down, Aim should have been to bat as many as possible. If i recall correct, Nawaz threw his wicket.

5-Why did we not score big against Netherland.


You add all above to our current NRR and we are 30 runs behind NZ which was achievable against England.

 

[Crucifier]

bro, umpires call makes the game fair.

Many people fail to understand the concept of hitting here.

People can be bought / corrupted / have bias and more importantly, make mistakes. Just look at every politician around the world.

 

[shah9425]

Why we lost against Afghanistan?

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

And how many yorkers our bowlers did to tail enders?
Rauf tried one and end up with low full toss.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Time to educate some People. These are the few moments impacted our NRR and i have done my math.

1-We took 32 overs to chase 200 against Bangladesh. Should have completed that chase in 20 knowing our NRR is so behind NZ

2-Game against Australia, once it was clear we are not winning, the last 2 should have tried to bat out the overs and add another 20.

3-Game against South Africa, we bowled out in 46 overs. Nawaz could have batted with tail and add 20 more runs but he chose to throw.

4-Game against India, Once we were 7 down, Aim should have been to bat as many as possible. If i recall correct, Nawaz threw his wicket.

5-Why did we not score big against Netherland.


You add all above to our current NRR and we are 30 runs behind NZ which was achievable against England.

Also, in the game against the Netherlands, they were 160/7 and ended up with 205.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

I've been against the umpire's call ever since the beginning of its integration. This was a build up of many years of frustration where I've had to witness an umpires decision being the sole reason whether a batsman was out on 10 or went on to make 100+.

People need to stop turning a blind eye to umpire's decision. It is literally deciding more matches than people think. Many years from now , people will wake up and the system will eventually change but not before we endure many more years of frustration.

The ball was not “clearly” hitting the stumps — hence the “umpires call” in DRS.
By the laws of the game (not tradition, but the laws- Law 36) if there is doubt (which by definition there is, if the ball is just clipping) as a result of the tolerance levels of the technology the benefit of the doubt goes to the batter.

If you want to know why we’re not in the semis perhaps consider the defeat to Afghanistan and the poor NRR…..

 

[Ali Active]

Pak was not turned on untill that match against south africa.
they remembered to play cricket only after facing three humiliating defeats

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

The ball was not “clearly” hitting the stumps — hence the “umpires call” in DRS.
By the laws of the game (not tradition, but the laws- Law 36) if there is doubt (which by definition there is, if the ball is just clipping) as a result of the tolerance levels of the technology the benefit of the doubt goes to the batter.

If you want to know why we’re not in the semis perhaps consider the defeat to Afghanistan and the poor NRR…..

Defeat against aussies was bigger than Afghanistan. You was never in game vs Afghanistan. Against aus we choked.
What was needed?
120 in 90 balls? With 5 wickets in hand.
Any half hearted team can chase that with ease. We panicked against zampa.

 

[Inswinging Yorker]

Pakistan batted like cowards. They cannot play under pressure. Babar is an overrated minnow basher and cannot perform against the top nations. He is not even in the shadow of Virat Kholi. They deserve to be out of the World Cup. Afghanistan played better than Pakistan.

 

[shokz1408]

Most umpires would have given that out I believe. It just looked out on live viewing. Really disappointed by that, as it was a great comeback for Pakistan, in a match we should have won.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Babar Azam during the Pakistan vs. England Pre-game presser:

[Reporter:]

Do you think the campaign is over or will we go after this big target? And when you look back, what is the defeat that has influenced the Pakistan campaign?

[Babar Azam:]

I think there is one match left. You never know. It's cricket - we will try to finish on a good note and then see.

I think the South African match cost us and we should have won that match, but unfortunately, we didn't win that because of which we are at this stage.​

 

[AAli98]

Hasan has been Ali & Nawaz batting like 9 year olds v aus when they could have got closer to the score & better the nrr.

 

[oatmeal]

Complaining about howlers is one thing. But this is umpires call - marginal decisions which can go either way. Rassie Van Der Dussen's lbw was umpires call on two out of three points and that went Pakistan's way.

These things even out .The team didnt make it to the semis because they left runs on the table in the Afghanistan match and then failed to put any pressure on their batsmen

 

[Mesozoic]

Lmao..

Did you also complain when Babar survived a "5 second blunder" against Kuldeep when the ball was hitting he stumps on the DRS?

Infact in this very game, Pakistan got very very lucky with umpires call vis a vis Van Der Dussen.

 

[Rana]

Pak was not turned on untill that match against south africa.
they remembered to play cricket only after facing three humiliating defeats

Not 3

They lost the plot against India in the Asia cup. Then the defeat against Sri Lanka. Two poor warm up outings. Two near escapes against NL and SL. Then 3 losses on the trot. Until the SA game,

Pakistan had lost 5 out of 7 games they had played in. Extremely poor run of form in around 30-40 days

 

[Savak]

How about the lack of strength by Shaheen, Rauf and Wasim where none could fire in an effective yorker at number ten and eleven?

Who told Pakistan to lose to Afghanistan?

 

[IMMY69]

The only thing that cost us a semi final place is an extreme lack of IQ from our players.

Take the game against South Africa, if we had just batted out 50 overs then not only would our NRR have improved but we could have scored a further 20 runs which would have been the difference.

Against India, from 150 for 1 to 200 all out...Again brainless batting. Not saying we would have won that game but 80-3 with no score board pressure is different to being 80 for 3 chasing 270 odd.

Like I said in another thread, when selecting the captain (and possibly even the players to represent the country), there should be multiple tests and interviews and those that don't pass should be sent away for further education.

 

[Ab Fan]

That loss vs Afghanistan was ultimately the knockout blow.

 

[pakistani pride]

Babar Azam during the Pakistan vs. England Pre-game presser:

[Reporter:]

Do you think the campaign is over or will we go after this big target? And when you look back, what is the defeat that has influenced the Pakistan campaign?

[Babar Azam:]

I think there is one match left. You never know. It's cricket - we will try to finish on a good note and then see.

I think the South African match cost us and we should have won that match, but unfortunately, we didn't win that because of which we are at this stage.​

See, look at this attitude. NO the SA didnt cost you. Your pathetic batting vs NL, not batting 50 overs vs India, Aus, SA, and losing vs Afghanistan cost you. He is bringing as if he and the team played some good cricket, NO, you did not. you selected average players and this is the result you get.

 

[Barragan]

Losing to Afghanistan lost the world cup.

No serious team would lose against them.

Pak would be on 10 pts right now and not needing a miracle to qualify.

Deservedly going home.

 

[Mamoon]

This thread sums up why Pakistan cricket will always remain the poster boy of mediocrity, failure and unprofessionalism.

There is zero culture of self-accountability and self-awareness.

 

[jnaveen1980]

To be fair they were not bowling to Virat kohli, Davy warner. It was shamsi. It is not that hard to bowl the same delivery at the stumps again. They had so many shots at him. But they could not land a convincing yorker.

 

[Kianig89]

If there is ever a moment to pinpoint Pakistan' WC failure then they are

WT20 SF 21 Hassan Ali drops Wade

2011 WC SF Sachin' countless drop

2003 WC Sachin' drop

2015 WC QF Watson dropped by Rahat

2023 WC Warner dropped by Usama

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These moments are where our WC campaign was dented over the years, if only special training for fielding should be done, otherwise we will continue repenting on things out of our hands

 

[shokz1408]

Usama Mir dropping the match hurt. And the fact he came in for Shadab makes it worse. It was right to make the change as Shadab doesn’t know how to bowl. But man can’t believe he couldn’t catch something so basic.

 

[Ali Active]

Not 3

They lost the plot against India in the Asia cup. Then the defeat against Sri Lanka. Two poor warm up outings. Two near escapes against NL and SL. Then 3 losses on the trot. Until the SA game,

Pakistan had lost 5 out of 7 games they had played in. Extremely poor run of form in around 30-40 days

Something was clearly off i think players were just running through motions most of them dont care about Pakistan they are all selfish when they saw now we are under threat of Place then they picked up the pace. there was no intensity when they picked up intensity it was too late.


Not to forget the babar backing awful spinners untill they kicked us out of tournament.

 

[Suleiman]

Thank God… can finally blame something else for our exit. Phew

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Usama Mir dropping the match hurt. And the fact he came in for Shadab makes it worse. It was right to make the change as Shadab doesn’t know how to bowl. But man can’t believe he couldn’t catch something so basic.

Even more so after that he's taken a few far tougher chances. Salt in the wound.

 

[Savak]

To be fair they were not bowling to Virat kohli, Davy warner. It was shamsi. It is not that hard to bowl the same delivery at the stumps again. They had so many shots at him. But they could not land a convincing yorker.

Lack of fitness and strength. Bowling a full paced blooded yorker requires a lot of strength and fitness

 

[kumjsr]

Question should be asked to people who are paid for this - coaches and staff.

 

[Savak]

Something was clearly off i think players were just running through motions most of them dont care about Pakistan they are all selfish when they saw now we are under threat of Place then they picked up the pace. there was no intensity when they picked up intensity it was too late.


Not to forget the babar backing awful spinners untill they kicked us out of tournament.

The loss to India in the Asia Cup bought the team down to reality, they could not really recover from the shock and that exposed the captain, team management because in this game of Cricket any team can have a very bad day at the office but it takes a good captain, team management to help the players get back on track swiftly which is what great teams do like Australia, South Africa and New Zealand have shown.

 

[globetrotter]

When India defeated Pakistan by 7 wkts, the team management should have focused on players failures and weaknesses rather than making baseless complaint to ICC and distracting pak fans. This is the moment which cost Pak team to loose next 3 games

 

[saqibali]

This is such an old story.

In 2003 world cup we had to win our last game against Zimbabwe with a similar margin. That game eventually got rained off.

In 2019 again last match against Bangladesh, we were in a similar situation.

in 2023, nothing has changed

 

[kumjsr]

When India defeated Pakistan by 7 wkts, the team management should have focused on players failures and weaknesses rather than making baseless complaint to ICC and distracting pak fans. This is the moment which cost Pak team to loose next 3 games

Did Mickey Arthur ever speak about what's his plan to improve NRR of the team?

 

[emranabbas]

This 5 second blunder from an incompetent , aging, old umpire cost Pakistan the entire world cup:
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The batsman walked across the stumps. 9/10 umpire would have raised their wrinkly finger. Even people in the comm box SCREAMED OUT the moment that ball hit the pads. Yet the umpire wanted to flex his umpiring skills and decided to give it not out despite BOTH teams having a review to rectify the mistake.

So why did the umpire give it not out?
- Flexing his umpiring prowess
- In BBCI's pocket?
- Personal agenda against Pakistan / didn't like how the game was going

IN THIS SITUATION, THE UMPIRE SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE IT OUT. If he's wrong, the batting team can review and if it's missing, there's NO HARM DONE. However, because the umpire gave it NOT OUT and it WAS CLIPPING, the bowling side suffers.

I always knew the time would come where an entire match / series / tournament would hinge on the futile decision of some old / outdated system of relying on old men who can't even see the wide lines (despite them being bright blue).

Its you who lost us the world cup and people like you and the players and the managment who shares the same mentality as you.

It's always someone else's fault

Never ever as a country and a cricket team we are going to accept our mistakes and work on our mistakes to improve our country and cricket it's always going to be someone else's fault

 

[pillionrider]

Wasn't there a dubious DRS that went Pakistan's way in the same game. There was even a thread on it.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Wasn't there a dubious DRS that went Pakistan's way in the same game. There was even a thread on it.

yes. Van Der Dussen. Even against India Babar and Rizwan had some close calls which could have gone either way.

 

[pillionrider]

How about bowlers not bowling to their fields to tailenders? There were several times Babar set an offside field and Rauf (despite an overall sensational spell) who would have bowled couple balls, just before, outside off, would suddenly spray on to the stumps or legside. If I'm not mistaken it happened with this ball too. I think I remember thinking as he was running in, based on his previous record, that the ball would be down legside because the field had just been changed packing the off. I even wondered whether this was some twisted outfox the batsman attempt by Rauf

 

[globetrotter]

Wasn't there a dubious DRS that went Pakistan's way in the same game. There was even a thread on it.

If ur talking ind Vs pak match … then Umpire Erasmus was clearly favoured pak team…

 

[asfandyar]

The Afghanistan loss was the reason for our demise. Period. Afghans (and even Banglas) have been beating us at U19 and Shaheen level for quite some time, but the usual excuse is "senior and junior levels are different".

 

[MMHS]

I think, the main reason that PAK is finding them in this position is that they blew a defence of 282 at Chennai under lights against Afghans.

Those of us who watch cricket regularly how big a failure that was. It turns at Chennai, it reverses with old ball, it dews least there and the wicket gets slower with time.

The LBW call had absolutely nothing to do with it - in fact it was the logical call. Same game, PAK got Klassen LBW with a marginal call which stayed with PAK on Umpire’s call. At that moment no umpire would have given that LBW and end the game there.

More than that LBW call, what cost PAK is miscalculation by Babar to waste Rauf’s overs. I think in his first spell Rauf bowled like 5-0-32-0 inside first 20-25 overs - that was blunder. Another couple, even one more over from Rauf with old ball, no way SAF’s tail could have done it.

 

[MMHS]

I think, the main reason that PAK is finding them in this position is that they blew a defence of 282 at Chennai under lights against Afghans.

Those of us who watch cricket regularly how big a failure that was. It turns at Chennai, it reverses with old ball, it dews least there and the wicket gets slower with time.

The LBW call had absolutely nothing to do with it - in fact it was the logical call. Same game, PAK got Klassen LBW with a marginal call which stayed with PAK on Umpire’s call. At that moment no umpire would have given that LBW and end the game there.

More than that LBW call, what cost PAK is miscalculation by Babar to waste Rauf’s overs. I think in his first spell Rauf bowled like 5-0-32-0 inside first 20-25 overs - that was blunder. Another couple, even one more over from Rauf with old ball, no way SAF’s tail could have done it.

It’s Van Dussen, not Klassen.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I think, the main reason that PAK is finding them in this position is that they blew a defence of 282 at Chennai under lights against Afghans.

Those of us who watch cricket regularly how big a failure that was. It turns at Chennai, it reverses with old ball, it dews least there and the wicket gets slower with time.

The LBW call had absolutely nothing to do with it - in fact it was the logical call. Same game, PAK got Klassen LBW with a marginal call which stayed with PAK on Umpire’s call. At that moment no umpire would have given that LBW and end the game there.

More than that LBW call, what cost PAK is miscalculation by Babar to waste Rauf’s overs. I think in his first spell Rauf bowled like 5-0-32-0 inside first 20-25 overs - that was blunder. Another couple, even one more over from Rauf with old ball, no way SAF’s tail could have done it.

Still the worst defeat this century in white ball cricket we've had for me.

The fielding was the worst I've seen in 24 years of watching cricket. It was an unexplainable and unfathomable loss which will hurt for decades.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I've been against the umpire's call ever since the beginning of its integration. This was a build up of many years of frustration where I've had to witness an umpires decision being the sole reason whether a batsman was out on 10 or went on to make 100+.

People need to stop turning a blind eye to umpire's decision. It is literally deciding more matches than people think. Many years from now , people will wake up and the system will eventually change but not before we endure many more years of frustration.

Umpires call isn't too bad.

Nasser makes a good video on it.

Look, I think if the on field umpire says it not out, and the technology only shows it clipping then there is enough doubt in the favour of the batsman.

There is no 100% perfect system. I mean in an extreme scenario the technology could show the ball crashing into the stumps but the bails could hypothetically not have been dislodged had the ball carried through.

I know its a silly example but what I mean to say is that there is always a small margin in any sport.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Marginal call, just like Kohli's LBW in the 2019 SF, there it was just clipping the stump while in NZ innings 3 or 4 such instances the call was not out.

Again if you want to simplify a 9 games campaign with one moment, you are trivializing the sport and your cricket team.

 

[mominsaigol]

This 5 second blunder from an incompetent , aging, old umpire cost Pakistan the entire world cup:
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The batsman walked across the stumps. 9/10 umpire would have raised their wrinkly finger. Even people in the comm box SCREAMED OUT the moment that ball hit the pads. Yet the umpire wanted to flex his umpiring skills and decided to give it not out despite BOTH teams having a review to rectify the mistake.

So why did the umpire give it not out?
- Flexing his umpiring prowess
- In BBCI's pocket?
- Personal agenda against Pakistan / didn't like how the game was going

IN THIS SITUATION, THE UMPIRE SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE IT OUT. If he's wrong, the batting team can review and if it's missing, there's NO HARM DONE. However, because the umpire gave it NOT OUT and it WAS CLIPPING, the bowling side suffers.

I always knew the time would come where an entire match / series / tournament would hinge on the futile decision of some old / outdated system of relying on old men who can't even see the wide lines (despite them being bright blue).

You do realise in this game Pakistan recieved a wicket from a very controversial double umpire call? And South Africa didn't complain?

 

[RidiculousMan]

This 5 second blunder from an incompetent , aging, old umpire cost Pakistan the entire world cup:
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The batsman walked across the stumps. 9/10 umpire would have raised their wrinkly finger. Even people in the comm box SCREAMED OUT the moment that ball hit the pads. Yet the umpire wanted to flex his umpiring skills and decided to give it not out despite BOTH teams having a review to rectify the mistake.

So why did the umpire give it not out?
- Flexing his umpiring prowess
- In BBCI's pocket?
- Personal agenda against Pakistan / didn't like how the game was going

IN THIS SITUATION, THE UMPIRE SHOULD ALWAYS GIVE IT OUT. If he's wrong, the batting team can review and if it's missing, there's NO HARM DONE. However, because the umpire gave it NOT OUT and it WAS CLIPPING, the bowling side suffers.

I always knew the time would come where an entire match / series / tournament would hinge on the futile decision of some old / outdated system of relying on old men who can't even see the wide lines (despite them being bright blue).

The DRS System is not 100% accurate. They give slight margins and thus transfer the small doubt in margin to umpires.

This technology is being used for well over a decade now. Umpire's call can go either way. It's just luck.

A better approach would be try and accelerate towards a solution in eliminating this Umpire's Call decision from the game.

 

[rhony]

This WAS the turning point. The rule of thumb for LBW for.incoming deliveries has always been hitting in line while umpire can still see the leg stump. The leg stump can clearly be seen here from umpires view. It was Out.

 

[MMHS]

Still the worst defeat this century in white ball cricket we've had for me.

The fielding was the worst I've seen in 24 years of watching cricket. It was an unexplainable and unfathomable loss which will hurt for decades.

And that day, body language was so poor.

I have seen many, many bad days of PAK cricket, including 42 all-out batting first, but not like this. Even on that 42 all-out, WI was 7/3 or so, and Lara of ‘93 made most of the runs, after being dropped and surviving a close LBW shout.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This WAS the turning point. The rule of thumb for LBW for.incoming deliveries has always been hitting in line while umpire can still see the leg stump. The leg stump can clearly be seen here from umpires view. It was Out.

He was shaping to glide the ball. That is a give away that ball i coming at an angle.

 

[captain.hansolo]

I've been against the umpire's call ever since the beginning of its integration. This was a build up of many years of frustration where I've had to witness an umpires decision being the sole reason whether a batsman was out on 10 or went on to make 100+.

People need to stop turning a blind eye to umpire's decision. It is literally deciding more matches than people think. Many years from now , people will wake up and the system will eventually change but not before we endure many more years of frustration.

I explained this elsewhere, the way the ball tracking works is that based on the observed movement the software yields a range that the ball will be within with certain probability, and then to help with interpretability of the model, the mean or the mode of the range is displayed. Thus the trajectory you see is not the absolute certain trajectory. And thus, the deference to the judgement of the umpire.

We do this all the time in modeling and it’s a fairly established field.

 

[Usman Chadda]

We got thrashed by Afghanistan, that’s where we lost it. 10 points with one game in hand was always going to be in favor.

 

[Technics 1210]

No.

The moment which cost Pakistan to win a ODI WC, past, present, and possibly future, was 05:30 AM on 28th August 2010.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Umpire calls sometimes impact hugely, and you can't argue for that, you just need to move away.

Kohli's dismissal was a shock to disbelief in the 2019 WC SF.
In the 2015 WC SF, Smith got saved from the umpire's call when he was 9 and went on to make 106 (Dhoni and Umesh didn't review)

 

[sweep_shot]

Focusing on one umpire's call is a bit silly.

This is a long tournament. Many small things contributed to the final outcome.

 

[Swashbuckler]

The loss against Afghanistan too was bad. You should be able to defend 280 against any side in Chennai on most days. Against a team like Afg, probably 99/100 times. With so much spin, reverse swing, absence of dew, not to forget the energy sapping conditions in first innings which would have definitely made Afghan bodies and minds tired before the start of the second innings.

Chennai is one venue in India where even in D/N you should always bat first.

Losing both games in Chennai despite batting first was a big blow.

 

[Unbiased-Fan]

Pakistan's defensive approach cost them tournament.
Remember what Babar said when he won the toss against Netherlands.
Pakistani players are skillful and talented but they are too much timid.
They are playing cricket suitable to 90s.

 

[Jazx]

And what if pakistan loose tomorrow? This thread should have been made only after pakistan managed to win against england

 

[Bhaijaan]

The four teams which are ahead of Pakistan in this World Cup genuinely have better squads going into this World Cup as compared to Pakistan. They are all better all around teams and have more settled players at each position compare to Pakistan. While Pakistan lost a close game against South Africa, Let’s not forget that they also won a close game against Sri Lanka & New Zealand.

I think overall this team had a fair World Cup with regards to the kind of squad that they had.

Haris Rauf just not isn’t the bowler for these conditions which is precisely why Bharat did not invest in Umar Malik (quicker than Rauf) in the last two years in the build up to the World Cup because they just knew even if Umar Malik gave his 200% he would get smashed in this era on these pitches.

The spin problem is self created, Pakistan is playing with Shadab and Nawaz since the last two years. They have by choice not nurtured a proper spin bowler for the World Cup and they’re paying for it.

In conclusion, while Pakistan as a cricket nation is Top 4 for a World Cup played in Bharat/England, the squad that they had going into the World Cup was not top 4 level and if they had used World Cup / NRR loopholes tocacrually get into the semis it would have been a mockery of the format.

 

[Saurav]

This is like Indians complaining of Kohli decision in 2019 WC semis. Such things can be talked about only if you otherwise do everything well. India did lot of unforced errors in that game so talking of LBW is moot.

Similarly Pak did many mistakes in its campaign, biggest one is selecting Imam over Fakhar. If they selected Fakhar from India game, I am sure they'd been in semis easily.

 

[Sherazkhalid]

Honestly, it's not as plumb as you would like to think it is. It hit him somewhat high and with pacer there is always chance it will go over. That being said there were truly some DRS howlers this WC, with each team being the beneficiary, I still feel Rizwan LBW against India looked out to the naked eye, but since we lost that game badly it never crosses our minds.

 

[Nasty Naz]

No need to blame anyone else, Pakistan simply didn't play well. You can come up with all sorts of reason as to why they didn't but ultimately, the entirety of the blame rest upon themselves.

It is inexcusable Pakistan let Afghanistan chase 280+ against them. It's inexcusable the shambolic bowling & fielding we saw vs Australia.

At the end of the day, Pakistan simply were not good, period. They were one of the worst bowling attacks in this WC and one of the worst fielding sides. They don't deserve a spot for how poorly they've played.

 

[Rana]

I’d like to ask OP,

Why did Pakistan take a long time to actually take the review on this decision if they felt it was 100% plumb? I remember that there were 3-4 seconds left before Babar eventually took the review. Why is that?

 

[Crucifier]

I’d like to ask OP,

Why did Pakistan take a long time to actually take the review on this decision if they felt it was 100% plumb? I remember that there were 3-4 seconds left before Babar eventually took the review. Why is that?

He was asking whether there was an inside edge. It looked so plumb in real time (partially helped by the batsman walking across the line and showing his leg stump) that the only thing that could have saved him was an inside edge. They were probably debating whether he nicked it.

I'm not totally ignorant to the fact that Pakistan doesn't deserve to go through. They played terrible cricket throughout the ENTIRE tournament. Having said that, I simply cannot stand the fate of an entire match that was played for over 8 hours, being decided by deteriorating old men who struggle to notice OBVIOUS wides and runouts.

People take off days from work / family etc to watch this marathon nonsense that we call cricket. We can't let 50/50 coin tosses from umpires to have the final word on whether Virat Kohli is out LBW on 10, or goes on to make a match winning 150.

 

[Rana]

He was asking whether there was an inside edge. It looked so plumb in real time (partially helped by the batsman walking across the line and showing his leg stump) that the only thing that could have saved him was an inside edge. They were probably debating whether he nicked it.

I'm not totally ignorant to the fact that Pakistan doesn't deserve to go through. They played terrible cricket throughout the ENTIRE tournament. Having said that, I simply cannot stand the fate of an entire match that was played for over 8 hours, being decided by deteriorating old men who struggle to notice OBVIOUS wides and runouts.

People take off days from work / family etc to watch this marathon nonsense that we call cricket. We can't let 50/50 coin tosses from umpires to have the final word on whether Virat Kohli is out LBW on 10, or goes on to make a match winning 150.

There you go. That’s what they umpire thought too. It’s unfortunate but I would say the result is fair because I personally feel South Africa dominated 80% of the match, and had to put up with Usama Mir coming into the game instead of Shadab…and Mir picked up two big wickets as well.