[VIDEO] "When I'd go to the toss with the Indian captain, he would be looking scared": PM Imran Khan

[Swashbuckler]

Some surprising stats, in the 2000s Pakistan led India in H2H 22-18, mainly on account of the year 2000 when we lost many in Sharjah and Australia tri-series. What I found even more surprsing is that till the Miandad last ball 6 match (1986), India was leading the H2H, never knew that.

If we break it down into phases India led the H2H till that famous Sharjah 1986 match, then Pakistan dominated for the next 6-7 years, after that they still had the edge but not as dominant till the year 2000. They built a big lead in this period and post Centurion 2003 India fought back, that decade India couldn't reverse the record but after 2010 India started dominating albeit very few matches played, only 14 with India leading 10-4. Least we have played each other, in 80s we played 30 matches, 45 in 90s and 40 in 2000s.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

OK in your opinion I am creating a false agenda and in my opinion you are kind of a blind supporter of IK as a politician , I like him as a cricketer but till now he is not proved he is a good politician in my opinion, you keep your own BHAKTI(BLIND FAITH) of politician IK i will keep my false agenda as you quoted

Seems like IK has ruffled some feathers with the neighbours. Can be the reason he seems to be getting attention for his political motives in a thread about leadership, positive mentality and an aggressive attitude during his sporting career.

 

[Snowflake]

So basically he is saying that the likes of kapil dev, sunil gavaskar, mohd azharuddin were scared at the toss.

Well, if someone like sarfaraz can say that india is scared of playing pakistan then imran can say whatever he likes.

These are big names in Indian cricket, we get that... And it's understandable that you'd feel offended if someone talks about them in the way IK did. But truth is, they did get their backsides handed to them all the time by Pak under IK. So, while its a a little hurtful, it is most definitely true because the person saying it has experienced this up close and personal.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

I think the real change in the Indo-Pak dynamic came after that WC 2003 game at centurion. Up until then , Pak had always maintained superiority over us in all formats. But that game and the fact that we chased down a 270+ total against that attack (although W&W were past their peaks) completely changed the mindset of a generation of Indian cricketers going into any Indo-Pak game.

Since that game India leads 26-21 in Odis and 4-3 in Tests.

The real change came after 2007 WT20 Final

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Ignorance at its finest. Now please read the following post with an open mind. For a moment, ignore your previous bias.

Misbah is the one who actually came in and reversed our poor cricketing record post-IK. We were constantly losing matches and he made us a proper force to be reckoned with. Achieved #1 Test ranking too. Whitewashed ENG, AUS, won away in ENG - entire Lord's cricket ground gave a standing ovation and salute to Misbah for his leadership from the front and a winning century. Beat IND in IND too in #aneydo series.

In Misbah's tenure, played: 48 Tests, won24, lost 13 and Drew 11.
In the 6 years prior, played: 48 Tests, won 12, lost 22, drew 14.

We had an atrocrious record before he took charge and became the undisputed king of Tests after IK for Pakistan.

Statistically, he's the most successful Pakistani Test captain in our history with the most number of victories. But IK would still rank ahead obviously, so he's a 2nd.

Not really Misbah got more chances than any Pakistan captain apart from Inzamam.

Before Misbah took overno captain was given as many opportunities as him. He was lucky to lead Pakistan in UAE in tests. No captain after Inzamam led Pakistan in UAE/ PAK.

His overseas record is probably one of the worst. We even lost a test in Zimbabwe. This guy is the destroyer of Pakistan cricket. Before his arrival,the HTH vs India was even. His timid mindset affected the team.

 

[Geil]

Seems like IK has ruffled some feathers with the neighbours. Can be the reason he seems to be getting attention for his political motives in a thread about leadership, positive mentality and an aggressive attitude during his sporting career.

You prove my arguments right by saying things like parosi means no logic which is what I find IK statement irresponsible, just to cater his politics he gives such statement to garner attention of people and people follow him blindly without using their mind they try to support his irresponsible statement

he was a good cricketer, charming person but his statement looked irresponsible to me, I dont know if you do that or not but dont just follow his politics blindly

 

[Iqbal'sh]

You prove my arguments right by saying things like parosi means no logic which is what I find IK statement irresponsible, just to cater his politics he gives such statement to garner attention of people and people follow him blindly without using their mind they try to support his irresponsible statement

You must have missed the bit I wrote at the beginning of my very first post and repeated in most of my posts since. Your dithering response would only have an ounce of merit had IK not already said the same thing years ago before he was a ‘politician’.
You have nothing else to counter with so you keep on repeating the same trash.
Your delusional thoughts need to be kept in check until the next local elections when your supreme leadership will utter more ant-Pak rhetoric to soothe your pain.
As for your last para seemingly IK misjudged how insecure and sensitive the neighbours are.

 

[Geil]

You must have missed the bit I wrote at the beginning of my very first post and repeated in most of my posts since. Your dithering response would only have an ounce of merit had IK not already said the same thing years ago before he was a ‘politician’.
You have nothing else to counter with so you keep on repeating the same trash.
Your delusional thoughts need to be kept in check until the next local elections when your supreme leadership will utter more ant-Pak rhetoric to soothe your pain.
As for your last para seemingly IK misjudged how insecure and sensitive the neighbours are.

you just keep commenting about your dislikes about me being Indian and having an opinion about PM of Pakistan , you just prove my arguments right again and again, you just fail to understand I only have problems with his politics

To make it clear I don't like the current PM of India and any of his politics, so I would not be defending him unlike you who is ready to defend IK politics, I am only criticizing the way he is giving out that irresponsible statement, he is not just a cricketer now, he is a PM and if he makes such irresponsible statement to suit his political context of current India Pakistan situation then i will have problem with that because I expected IK to be a different kind of politician but he is being a usual and just like all the politicians are ,who just wants to be in the attention by making such statement

You like it or not I am starting to have serious doubts about IK politics just on the India Pakistan political situation, and i absolutely don't support the Indian government agenda against PAK or on any thing so i will not defend them but again IK is no different he just is like all the politicians who wants to enhance their political career and be in the power or in contention by making such statements or for whatever reasons.

It is getting too long so i want to end this discussion and we can differ on IK statement whether it being political or not, I get it you think this has nothing to do with his politics on IND PAK situation but I dont and i guess we both cant change our opinions, I accept that and would like end this discussion, i will only reply it if i feel you are making some new and mindful discussion

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

Still used to lose to India in the big games under him. 1985 World Championship final and 1992 World Cup game in Sydney.

 

[Zaz]

You just have to look at the record when imran captained against india how dominant his teams were


Obviously hes exaggerated the truth but imrans teams not only had the upper hand but were ruthlessly much much better than india back then

 

[szrana007]

Still used to lose to India in the big games under him. 1985 World Championship final and 1992 World Cup game in Sydney.

Javed was captain in the 1985 World Championship not Imran. As for 1992 WC, Pak won it anyway.

 

[daytrader]

There is nothing stopping the PCB from hiring Younis Khan, Mohd Yousaf for the NCA, U19 and A teams even now

Except that they're fickle characters with huge egos and a sense of entitlement

 

[Savak]

Except that they're fickle characters with huge egos and a sense of entitlement

Doesn't matter, handling difficult cricketers is part of good man management skills and something the PCB should be doing. These guys are one of the best batsmen in our country's history and our future generations could learn the art of batting from them.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

It is entirely your own personal choice if you want to continue the discussion, there is no coercion involved. I will however pick up on one of your previous posts:

you keep your own BHAKTI(BLIND FAITH) of politician IK i will keep my false agenda as you quoted

I don’t have blind faith in any human, animal or other species of any form, this is limited to one entity in whom my faith is derived by upbringing, schooling and accumulated knowledge.
Don’t associate random terms to anyone without due care and consideration.

so I would not be defending him unlike you who is ready to defend IK politics.

This has nothing to do with me defending anyone for their political reasoning, you are the one who dragged politics into the discussion. I continue to point out that your assertion is completely without proof. You have no proof just your opinion. Because you don’t have any evidence you want to drag me into a ‘difference in politics’ discussion. I maintain there is nothing political in what IK said.

I am only criticizing the way he is giving out that irresponsible statement he is not just a cricketer now, he is a PM and if he makes such irresponsible statement to suit his political context of current India Pakistan situation then i will have problem with that because I expected IK to be a different kind of politician but he is being a usual and just like all the politicians are ,who just wants to be in the attention by making such statement

You like it or not ... enhance their political career and be in the power or in contention by making such statements or for whatever reasons.

It is getting too long so i want to end this discussion and we can differ on IK statement whether it being political or not

I reduced your rambling proclamation above to highlight your repeated reference to what IK said. All your posts make multiple mentions of what was uttered by the PM of Pakistan.
Not once have you bothered to explain what was wrong, or in your words, ‘irresponsible’ about what was said. Are you able to explain??
I doubt you have watched the video in the OP, if you have you have seemingly misunderstood what was said and not paid enough attention to the tone used, but then you would ignore these to build a false narrative.
Let me make it easier for you by writing out what IK said in the video:

The background to it is he was in a press conference and was asked a question by the media. It’s not entirely clear what the full question was, but it’s evident that it referred to India & cricket - Ravi Shastri is mentioned as a probable antagonist - here is what IK said:

In our time I felt sorry for the Indian side - we used to beat them so often then especially the matches at Sharjah - so their team had a lot of pressure.
When we used to go for the toss, I used to look at their skipper and he used to look anxious/worried.
Our rivals were not India then, though they are a much better side than us now, West Indies team were our rivals. That team would historically be considered as one of the greatest. I don’t believe there has been a better side than them.

The exact word IK used to replace the bolded is Ghabrahat. The definition of this word is: Anxiety in a feeling of nervousness, apprehension, fear or worry.

In light of this I need you to explain your posts. Where is the politics in it? What is wrong with it?
I see nothing but a well structured, thoughtful response to what could have been a leading question.
Your response with evidence is required not your usual bluster and personal opinion fuelled by your hidden agenda ( if mistaken then your apology will be accepted unconditionally).

 

[Buffet]

Kapil and Gavaskar scared when doing toss against IK.

SRT shaking in fear while facing Akhtar


Factory goes on...

 

[Geil]

It is entirely your own personal choice if you want to continue the discussion, there is no coercion involved. I will however pick up on one of your previous posts:

I don’t have blind faith in any human, animal or other species of any form, this is limited to one entity in whom my faith is derived by upbringing, schooling and accumulated knowledge.
Don’t associate random terms to anyone without due care and consideration.


This has nothing to do with me defending anyone for their political reasoning, you are the one who dragged politics into the discussion. I continue to point out that your assertion is completely without proof. You have no proof just your opinion. Because you don’t have any evidence you want to drag me into a ‘difference in politics’ discussion. I maintain there is nothing political in what IK said.


I reduced your rambling proclamation above to highlight your repeated reference to what IK said. All your posts make multiple mentions of what was uttered by the PM of Pakistan.
Not once have you bothered to explain what was wrong, or in your words, ‘irresponsible’ about what was said. Are you able to explain??
I doubt you have watched the video in the OP, if you have you have seemingly misunderstood what was said and not paid enough attention to the tone used, but then you would ignore these to build a false narrative.
Let me make it easier for you by writing out what IK said in the video:

The background to it is he was in a press conference and was asked a question by the media. It’s not entirely clear what the full question was, but it’s evident that it referred to India & cricket - Ravi Shastri is mentioned as a probable antagonist - here is what IK said:

In our time I felt sorry for the Indian side - we used to beat them so often then especially the matches at Sharjah - so their team had a lot of pressure.
When we used to go for the toss, I used to look at their skipper and he used to look anxious/worried.
Our rivals were not India then, though they are a much better side than us now, West Indies team were our rivals. That team would historically be considered as one of the greatest. I don’t believe there has been a better side than them.

The exact word IK used to replace the bolded is Ghabrahat. The definition of this word is: Anxiety in a feeling of nervousness, apprehension, fear or worry.

In light of this I need you to explain your posts. Where is the politics in it? What is wrong with it?
I see nothing but a well structured, thoughtful response to what could have been a leading question.
Your response with evidence is required not your usual bluster and personal opinion fuelled by your hidden agenda ( if mistaken then your apology will be accepted unconditionally).

Like all the politicians before did IK is doing the same which I did not expected but he is just like another politician who will involve India in his political agenda to stay relevant in his politics for whatever reasons

I dont follow his politics closely but I have seen him involving India in his political agenda to gain leverage or whatever reasons he have other than improving the relation which is impossible so at least he can be sensible enough and avoid such things which he is not doing it

This is not the first time he has done this, it has been done numerous times and he is the PM and I did not expected him to be like that, he tweets fake news involving India and later deletes it when he is told and this statement looks one of the many to me in his political agenda involving India

I guess he is starting to do the same thing as current Indian government is doing

 

[Abdullah719]

 

[daytrader]

Doesn't matter, handling difficult cricketers is part of good man management skills and something the PCB should be doing. These guys are one of the best batsmen in our country's history and our future generations could learn the art of batting from them.

Good man management skills... the two dont have any. They've always been involved in head butting controversies with other players and administration. They're not fit to lead youngsters. There's no proof that they'll be good batting coaches no matter how great they were in their playing days. Case in point is both were senior players in the team for a long time, even getting captaincy roles but there hasn't been any batsman that they developed.

Besides what makes you think these 2 want an NCA or U19 role? Their aim is top position as their ego won't let them settle for anything less than Misbah

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Like all the politicians before did IK is doing the same which I did not expected but he is just like another politician who will involve India in his political agenda to stay relevant in his politics for whatever reasons

I dont follow his politics closely but I have seen him involving India in his political agenda to gain leverage or whatever reasons he have other than improving the relation which is impossible so at least he can be sensible enough and avoid such things which he is not doing it

This is not the first time he has done this, it has been done numerous times and he is the PM and I did not expected him to be like that, he tweets fake news involving India and later deletes it when he is told and this statement looks one of the many to me in his political agenda involving India

I guess he is starting to do the same thing as current Indian government is doing

As I thought more personal opinions with nothing but hot air to back it up. Not even a badly put together attempt to answer my post.
You continue to politicise the whole issue but cannot pinpoint what is ‘irresponsible’ in the statement.
Your lies are pretty much laid bare. From continuously calling the statement ‘irresponsible’ you now run away from that and rant about IKs tenure as PM in general. I forgot you want us to believe that you are anti-Modi as well.
Nothing more to add here unless you want to continue with the humiliation.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Pretty much sums up why the ghabrahat in their face at the toss

 

[tyron_woodley]

I knew it was bad but not that bad.

Embarrassing stuff.

Well west indies have thumped india in India back then too.

 

[Savak]

Good man management skills... the two dont have any. They've always been involved in head butting controversies with other players and administration. They're not fit to lead youngsters. There's no proof that they'll be good batting coaches no matter how great they were in their playing days. Case in point is both were senior players in the team for a long time, even getting captaincy roles but there hasn't been any batsman that they developed.

Besides what makes you think these 2 want an NCA or U19 role? Their aim is top position as their ego won't let them settle for anything less than Misbah

NCA, U19 roles are what these two have applied for in the past. If you don't think these two are good enough to be batting coaches then you can sit happy with the likes of Mansoor Rana, Ijaz Ahmed, Shahid Aslam being our batting coaches and then complaining everytime India thumps our U19 and A teams by 10 wickets that there is no batting talent in the country in comparison to our parosis who are calling on all their ex legends to contribute to Indian Cricket.

 

[Junaids]

Ugh.

Yes, it is true what he is saying, but it seems irrelevant and laughable in today's world, where they are dominating in every facet of the game, but also economically and at the world stage.

So, this seems like a bit of sour grapes now because we have a lot of catching up to do.

They reversed their fortunes.

And we went in a free fall dive - so laughing at them for happened decades ago doesn't look good on us.

Funnily enough, in spite of my lack of faith in Misbah I think that Pakistan has more potential at his disposal than India does.

Two players like Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah under the age of 20? The sky is the limit.

 

[Buffet]

Funnily enough, in spite of my lack of faith in Misbah I think that Pakistan has more potential at his disposal than India does.

Two players like Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah under the age of 20? The sky is the limit.

As far as talent goes, Pakistan leads the world like always did. You are not the first person to point this out. Several Pakistan ex-cricketers have realized this fact and made similar statements in past.

 

[daytrader]

NCA, U19 roles are what these two have applied for in the past. If you don't think these two are good enough to be batting coaches then you can sit happy with the likes of Mansoor Rana, Ijaz Ahmed, Shahid Aslam being our batting coaches and then complaining everytime India thumps our U19 and A teams by 10 wickets that there is no batting talent in the country in comparison to our parosis who are calling on all their ex legends to contribute to Indian Cricket.

The Parosis were doing well even when they didn't have their legends on board. We compare YK to Dravid but Dravid doesn't have a giant ego like YK and rarely do you hear any media statements from him criticizing his own board. PCB was interested but YK refused the job

 

[Savak]

The Parosis were doing well even when they didn't have their legends on board. We compare YK to Dravid but Dravid doesn't have a giant ego like YK and rarely do you hear any media statements from him criticizing his own board. PCB was interested but YK refused the job

Lol, all the ego in the world goes out of the window when you get a paycheque of Rs 50 million a year which is what Dravid got along with significant powers. Younis Khan asked for the same powers and was only asking for Rs 1.5 million a month which is pretty fair considering his status as a Pakistani batting legend, unfortunately the PCB just wanted a yes man like Ijaz Ahmed instead.

 

[Rajdeep]

Funnily enough, in spite of my lack of faith in Misbah I think that Pakistan has more potential at his disposal than India does.

Two players like Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah under the age of 20? The sky is the limit.

Yes we saw the glimses of such potential in last two U19 WCs. I mean honestly do you guys even think before giving such random statements?

 

[tyron_woodley]

kuruvilla
mohanty
chahuan
rr singh

This was the bowling attack of india in bilaterals for odi's.

 

[Rajdeep]

Funnily enough, in spite of my lack of faith in Misbah I think that Pakistan has more potential at his disposal than India does.

Two players like Shaheen Shah Afridi and Naseem Shah under the age of 20? The sky is the limit.

U19 2018 - Ind beat Pak by 203 runs

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...19s-semi-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2017-18

U19 2020 - Ind beat Pak by 10 wkts

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...19s-semi-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2019-20

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] - let us know if you still think Pak has more potential at their disposal.

I would suggest stick to these mythical arguements about how Indian players back in the day scared of Imran etc. But dont drag contemporary cricket as India has left Pakistan in the dust by long way.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

U19 2018 - Ind beat Pak by 203 runs

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...19s-semi-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2017-18

U19 2020 - Ind beat Pak by 10 wkts

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...19s-semi-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2019-20

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] - let us know if you still think Pak has more potential at their disposal.

I would suggest stick to these mythical arguements about how Indian players back in the day scared of Imran etc. But dont drag contemporary cricket as India has left Pakistan in the dust by long way.

I remember Shivam Mavi and Kamlesh Nagarkotti. Everyone was hyping them up here and that time also I made this prediction of Shaheen Shah getting into Pak team within 2 years.

Pakistan have a very good habit of including fast bowlers when they are young whereas Indian selectors know how to waste talented fast bowlers. There is potential in Mavi and Nagarkotti but I don't think they will be selected until they reach the age of 25.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

U19 2018 - Ind beat Pak by 203 runs

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...19s-semi-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2017-18

U19 2020 - Ind beat Pak by 10 wkts

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...19s-semi-final-icc-under-19-world-cup-2019-20

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] - let us know if you still think Pak has more potential at their disposal.

I would suggest stick to these mythical arguements about how Indian players back in the day scared of Imran etc. But dont drag contemporary cricket as India has left Pakistan in the dust by long way.

Naseem Shah was already playing for the Pakistan senior team when the U19WC was being played so not sure why linking that scorecard is relevant.
We already know India is better than Pakistan at all levels currently but not sure how that proves the argument viz-a-viz potential.
India have better resources in terms of any metric be it number, infrastructure or financially so they would be expected to perform strongly. Doesn’t hide the fact that Pakistan have at least two youngsters that are developing their games on the biggest stage.

 

[Rajdeep]

I remember Shivam Mavi and Kamlesh Nagarkotti. Everyone was hyping them up here and that time also I made this prediction of Shaheen Shah getting into Pak team within 2 years.

Pakistan have a very good habit of including fast bowlers when they are young whereas Indian selectors know how to waste talented fast bowlers. There is potential in Mavi and Nagarkotti but I don't think they will be selected until they reach the age of 25.

It does not work that way. Just bcoz Pakistan introduces half cooked players does not mean India needs to do the same. You really think throwing up a 16 year old Naseem Shah against Warner & Smith in Australia was a good idea? Did it work? What was the result of the series?

BCCI believes in players developement in domestic cricket, allow them to grind in Ranji for few years and slowly phase them into international cricket. You think likes of Nagarkotti or Mavi would have had the same impact as Shami & Bumrah had when we won the test series in Australia?

Development of players is the key and I think BCCIs approach is correct. Rather than getting jazbaati and throwing half cooked players in international cricket, you need to let the system work.

 

[Rajdeep]

Naseem Shah was already playing for the Pakistan senior team when the U19WC was being played so not sure why linking that scorecard is relevant.
We already know India is better than Pakistan at all levels currently but not sure how that proves the argument viz-a-viz potential.
India have better resources in terms of any metric be it number, infrastructure or financially so they would be expected to perform strongly. Doesn’t hide the fact that Pakistan have at least two youngsters that are developing their games on the biggest stage.

Pakistan also have no shortage of resources..lol. If I am not wrong, its the richest board after Big 3 and richer than the likes of CSA. So this resources excuse is silly. The fact is, India is constantly producing more talented cricketers compared to Pakistan in last decade & half. Previously the talent was only restricted to batting but now even Indian bowling is catching up.

The U19 score cards were clear indication about the gulf of talent in both set up. And for [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] to say Pak has more potential in their disposal is hilarious. I am curious what mysterious disposal is that?

 

[andy0204]

Pakistan also have no shortage of resources..lol. If I am not wrong, its the richest board after Big 3 and richer than the likes of CSA. So this resources excuse is silly. The fact is, India is constantly producing more talented cricketers compared to Pakistan in last decade & half. Previously the talent was only restricted to batting but now even Indian bowling is catching up.

The U19 score cards were clear indication about the gulf of talent in both set up. And for [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] to say Pak has more potential in their disposal is hilarious. I am curious what mysterious disposal is that?

I think they are mentally shot whenever they play against India in ICC tournaments.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It does not work that way. Just bcoz Pakistan introduces half cooked players does not mean India needs to do the same. You really think throwing up a 16 year old Naseem Shah against Warner & Smith in Australia was a good idea? Did it work? What was the result of the series?

BCCI believes in players developement in domestic cricket, allow them to grind in Ranji for few years and slowly phase them into international cricket. You think likes of Nagarkotti or Mavi would have had the same impact as Shami & Bumrah had when we won the test series in Australia?

Development of players is the key and I think BCCIs approach is correct. Rather than getting jazbaati and throwing half cooked players in international cricket, you need to let the system work.

Half cooked players lol? Does Shaheen look like a half cooked player to you? There is a reason Pakistan produces more fast bowlers than India does.

I agree about the development of batsman in domestic cricket but fast bowlers should be introduced as early as possible into their teams.

With your thinking good luck extracting the best from Mavi and Nagarkotti when they make their debuts at the age of 25-26.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Pakistan also have no shortage of resources..lol. If I am not wrong, its the richest board after Big 3 and richer than the likes of CSA. So this resources excuse is silly. The fact is, India is constantly producing more talented cricketers compared to Pakistan in last decade & half. Previously the talent was only restricted to batting but now even Indian bowling is catching up.

The U19 score cards were clear indication about the gulf of talent in both set up. And for [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] to say Pak has more potential in their disposal is hilarious. I am curious what mysterious disposal is that?

Why don’t you do a bit of research and come back with a comparison of the resources at the disposal of both countries.
The other thing that needs to be taken into account is not playing in front of your home crowd for a decade. It has a huge impact on the interest generated for the next group of players. However Pakistan have still managed to find some real gems.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Half cooked players lol? Does Shaheen look like a half cooked player to you? There is a reason Pakistan produces more fast bowlers than India does.

I agree about the development of batsman in domestic cricket but fast bowlers should be introduced as early as possible into their teams.

With your thinking good luck extracting the best from Mavi and Nagarkotti when they make their debuts at the age of 25-26.

Was going to make the same point. Obviously needs to watch the WC2019 performance of the half cooked Afridi

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pakistan also have no shortage of resources..lol. If I am not wrong, its the richest board after Big 3 and richer than the likes of CSA. So this resources excuse is silly. The fact is, India is constantly producing more talented cricketers compared to Pakistan in last decade & half. Previously the talent was only restricted to batting but now even Indian bowling is catching up.

The U19 score cards were clear indication about the gulf of talent in both set up. And for [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] to say Pak has more potential in their disposal is hilarious. I am curious what mysterious disposal is that?

Yes Pakistan also have no shortage of resources. They have played 90% of their home series away from home in the last 10-12 years. Some boards did try to isolate them but they didn't give up. Isn't that amazing that they are still producing cricketers? If this was any other nation they would have given up.

The number of talented cricketers India is producing may be more than Pakistan but this talent couldn't help us win major tournaments in the last 6-7 years.

 

[tyron_woodley]

india has plenty of bowling talent but the top bowlers are irreplacable until they break down so no youngster will get a chance.

Pakistam have no choice but to push the youngsters into the starting 11 as they have complete utter dud cannon fodders like hasan ali, irfan, tanveer, junaid khan who also chucks, shinwari etc.

Couple of theie young talents are promising though. shaheen, naseem are all good. rest not so much. husnain no. that short fast bowler musa ? definitely not.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yes Pakistan also have no shortage of resources. They have played 90% of their home series away from home in the last 10-12 years. Some boards did try to isolate them but they didn't give up. Isn't that amazing that they are still producing cricketers? If this was any other nation they would have given up.

The number of talented cricketers India is producing may be more than Pakistan but this talent couldn't help us win major tournaments in the last 6-7 years.

number 1 in tests is for 4 straight years is better than a world cup or any icc win.

Pakistan have plenty of talunt. plenty of phassst bowlers. Yes it's amazing how effective they have been in odi despite not playing in Pakistan. Just no where near good enough in tests though. Pakistan are unpredictable in odis and they continue the trend.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why don’t you do a bit of research and come back with a comparison of the resources at the disposal of both countries.
The other thing that needs to be taken into account is not playing in front of your home crowd for a decade. It has a huge impact on the interest generated for the next group of players. However Pakistan have still managed to find some real gems.

Not playing in front of your crowd is one of the biggest negative for Pakistan cricket. Now imagine if India plays their home series away from home for 5 years. They will suffer losses too. Stats of some players will also be affected. BCCI can't even cancel IPL for 1 year now.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

number 1 in tests is for 4 straight years is better than a world cup or any icc win.

Pakistan have plenty of talunt. plenty of phassst bowlers. Yes it's amazing how effective they have been in odi despite not playing in Pakistan. Just no where near good enough in tests though. Pakistan are unpredictable in odis and they continue the trend.

If I am not wrong Pakistan also became number 1 in test cricket for few months? Now imagine if India has to play their home series in places like Sri Lanka/England/UAE.

Since we only dominate at home and win a match here and there when we go abroad it will be difficult to maintain our number 1 ranking.

 

[Rajdeep]

Half cooked players lol? Does Shaheen look like a half cooked player to you? There is a reason Pakistan produces more fast bowlers than India does.

I agree about the development of batsman in domestic cricket but fast bowlers should be introduced as early as possible into their teams.

With your thinking good luck extracting the best from Mavi and Nagarkotti when they make their debuts at the age of 25-26.

Not correct at all. Throwing a teenage fast bowler in international cricket where their bones are in developement stage is prone to injuries. The only reason Pak send a 16 yo Naseem Shah in Australia bcoz their main bowlers like Amir & Wahab retired prematurely and didnt had backups. A bowler peaks between 26 - 32 years age. Just have a look at the history of great fast bowlers....most peaked at that age and then declined.

 

[Rajdeep]

Yes Pakistan also have no shortage of resources. They have played 90% of their home series away from home in the last 10-12 years. Some boards did try to isolate them but they didn't give up. Isn't that amazing that they are still producing cricketers? If this was any other nation they would have given up.

The number of talented cricketers India is producing may be more than Pakistan but this talent couldn't help us win major tournaments in the last 6-7 years.

Bunch of excuses really but expected from you. Pakistan is playing in UAE from past 10 years right? Then what happened in last Asia cup? Indian players who never played a game there went onto beat them convincingly in both matches.

U19 players have nothing to do with home or away right? Their developement happen in domestic cricket. What happen in last couple of U19 WCs?

So this notion that Pak is a poor team currently bcoz they dont play at home is factually incorrect. They are a poor team bcoz they are not producing any talented cricketers. Apart from Babar Azam, I dont recall a single talented world class player emerged from Pakistan in last 15 years.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Not correct at all. Throwing a teenage fast bowler in international cricket where their bones are in developement stage is prone to injuries. The only reason Pak send a 16 yo Naseem Shah in Australia bcoz their main bowlers like Amir & Wahab retired prematurely and didnt had backups. A bowler peaks between 26 - 32 years age. Just have a look at the history of great fast bowlers....most peaked at that age and then declined.

Except Pakistan has always done this - check the list of the 10 youngest debutants to test cricket you will find 6 are Pakistani going all the way back to the late 50’s when Mushtaq Mohammed debuted.

 

[Rajdeep]

If I am not wrong Pakistan also became number 1 in test cricket for few months? Now imagine if India has to play their home series in places like Sri Lanka/England/UAE.

Since we only dominate at home and win a match here and there when we go abroad it will be difficult to maintain our number 1 ranking.

That was only because India's last test in west indies got washed out in 2016

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ndies-vs-india-4th-test-india-tour-of-wi-2016

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Bunch of excuses really but expected from you. Pakistan is playing in UAE from past 10 years right? Then what happened in last Asia cup? Indian players who never played a game there went onto beat them convincingly in both matches.

U19 players have nothing to do with home or away right? Their developement happen in domestic cricket. What happen in last couple of U19 WCs?

So this notion that Pak is a poor team currently bcoz they dont play at home is factually incorrect. They are a poor team bcoz they are not producing any talented cricketers. Apart from Babar Azam, I dont recall a single talented world class player emerged from Pakistan in last 15 years.

How about explaining the damage no cricket for over a decade has on the waining interest of the local population?
Also, still waiting for you to come back with a comparison on those resources. You do realise the impact it had on the game in Pakistan. Many other nations would have given up on the game completely especially given a certain highly influential country used the opportunity to try to isolate Pakistan

 

[Iqbal'sh]

That was only because India's last test in west indies got washed out in 2016

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...ndies-vs-india-4th-test-india-tour-of-wi-2016

You can argue the only reason India got there in the first place was the number of games they won at home.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Apart from Babar Azam, I dont recall a single talented world class player emerged from Pakistan in last 15 years.

Continue to give us all a good laugh

https://www.dawn.com/news/1383733

There is also a certain Shaheen Shah Afridi who took 16 wickets in just 5 outings in WC2019

 

[Rajdeep]

You can argue the only reason India got there in the first place was the number of games they won at home.

Since that ATG Australian side, most contemporary cricket teams are good at home and poor away. What seperates India is...they are exceptional at home (almost invincible) and okaish team overseas. So the arguement holds true for all team.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

Since that ATG Australian side, most contemporary cricket teams are good at home and poor away. What seperates India is...they are exceptional at home (almost invincible) and okaish team overseas. So the arguement holds true for all team.

Pakistan were not playing at home during that period - neutral venues or away. The neutral venues had no crowds to lift the home team still they got to number 1 but you are the one that had an issue with it. Dear me!!

 

[tyron_woodley]

If I am not wrong Pakistan also became number 1 in test cricket for few months? Now imagine if India has to play their home series in places like Sri Lanka/England/UAE.

Since we only dominate at home and win a match here and there when we go abroad it will be difficult to maintain our number 1 ranking.

Pakistan were number 1 for a grand total of 1 week.

We won in australia.
we came close in s.africa.

we got spanked in england albeit a tough closely contested one if people watched the games.

We got decimated in n.z due to lack of proper preparation.

I am sure india will far better next time if they prepare seriously by managing the workloads of our key players.

Well india would adapt if they had to play their home series in whichever country they choose to play in. Sri Lanka would be perfect. U.a.e lol even better.
England I am not too sure but with proper training I am sure these boys will adapt just like pakistan did with their so called talunt.

 

[szrana007]

Pakistan were number 1 for a grand total of 1 week.

We won in australia.
we came close in s.africa.

we got spanked in england albeit a tough closely contested one if people watched the games.

We got decimated in n.z due to lack of proper preparation.

I am sure india will far better next time if they prepare seriously by managing the workloads of our key players.

Well india would adapt if they had to play their home series in whichever country they choose to play in. Sri Lanka would be perfect. U.a.e lol even better.
England I am not too sure but with proper training I am sure these boys will adapt just like pakistan did with their so called talunt.

Actually they were number one for 2 months from August 2016-October 2016.

 

[Iqbal'sh]

we got spanked in england albeit a tough closely contested one if people watched the games.

The final score was 4-1 and that reflected the gap between the two teams. Sorry I watched the series on TV and India fought but were no match for a mediocre test side in England. That’s the brutal reality.

Well india would adapt if they had to play their home series in whichever country they choose to play in. Sri Lanka would be perfect. U.a.e lol even better.

It’s not only about the adapting there is also a negative effect on the public back home such as waining interest of the next generation of cricketers. Then there is the financial aspect of trying to keep domestic cricket going, infrastructure updated etc
Not as simple as you tried to make out.

 

[Local.Dada]

Fair point and nothing wrong in what he said.

Pakistan was definitely a better team than India in Imran’s era even though we did win 2 crucial games in 92 WC (which he did end up winning) and 85 World Series final.

Despite that yes Pak was a better team all round. No problem if he thought WI was the team to beat in his era like how Aus became later.

Even India when it was going up the rankings and becoming a greag team in the 2000s, we always felt Aus was the team to beat.

However he could have avoided the statement on pressure on the captains face etc. I mean I don’t think any indian captain has ever been under the pressure to such an extent that they were having sleepless nights and yawning in the middle of a crunch game ever,

 

[daytrader]

Lol, all the ego in the world goes out of the window when you get a paycheque of Rs 50 million a year which is what Dravid got along with significant powers. Younis Khan asked for the same powers and was only asking for Rs 1.5 million a month which is pretty fair considering his status as a Pakistani batting legend, unfortunately the PCB just wanted a yes man like Ijaz Ahmed instead.

PCB is not as rich as BCCI so if YK feels he's worth more than he should go out and get a job that will pay him that. Plus there's no way they would hand over full reigns of under 19 to character like YK who has known anger management issues. That would be a disaster. As uncle Ben would say, with great power comes great responsibility. Unfortunately YK hasn't shown the desire to take on responsibility whereas someone like Ijaz has been working as a coach for over a decade. We need a non controversial figure to groom the young not someone that will butt heads with them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The final score was 4-1 and that reflected the gap between the two teams. Sorry I watched the series on TV and India fought but were no match for a mediocre test side in England. That’s the brutal reality.


It’s not only about the adapting there is also a negative effect on the public back home such as waining interest of the next generation of cricketers. Then there is the financial aspect of trying to keep domestic cricket going, infrastructure updated etc
Not as simple as you tried to make out.

I watched the whole series. England got lucky with the tosses. Had the tosses been won by india, it would have been 4- 1 india. They weren't a weak side either. No team is weak at home. All their top players were playing.

I am just saying if pakistan can adapt then so can india as they have a bigger talent pool.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Fair point and nothing wrong in what he said.

Pakistan was definitely a better team than India in Imran’s era even though we did win 2 crucial games in 92 WC (which he did end up winning) and 85 World Series final.

Despite that yes Pak was a better team all round. No problem if he thought WI was the team to beat in his era like how Aus became later.

Even India when it was going up the rankings and becoming a greag team in the 2000s, we always felt Aus was the team to beat.

However he could have avoided the statement on pressure on the captains face etc. I mean I don’t think any indian captain has ever been under the pressure to such an extent that they were having sleepless nights and yawning in the middle of a crunch game ever,

absolutely nothing wrong with what imran said. Face it. India were trash in the 80s and late 90s.

Pakistan were better in those 2 decades for the most part.

imran's team won 10 games vs india in tests. kapil won 1 and drew 4. That's a total domination.

Funnily enough Sri Lanka cares better vs pakistan in the 90s.
Either pakistan up the intensity vs india or it's a match up issue.

India even though they were weak in 90s still managed to beat Sri Lanka. Pakistam and Lanka often had close games.

All changed post 2000 when india moved well ahead of both.

 

[Hitman]

‘Pakistan cricket team will become number 1'

Prime Minister Imran Khan congratulated the national cricketing for a 2-0 victory in the Test series against South Africa.

“We have fixed the basic structure of cricket [in Pakistan], now the team will become number one,” said PM Imran Khan.

“Pakistan has more talent than India,” he said. The Indian team is ahead of you because they have a better cricket structure.

Link: https://www.samaa.tv/news/2021/02/rs700m-fbeing-offered-for-a-senate-seat-pm-imran-khan/

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

This guy is beyond cringe.

A complete and utter embarrassment.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

This guy is beyond cringe.

A complete and utter embarrassment.

Already nervous.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Already nervous.

Haha no doubt.

 

[pillionrider]

“Pakistan has more talent than India,” he said. The Indian team is ahead of you because they have a better cricket structure.

I don't think even Modi talks about Pakistan during non-election days as much as this guys talks about India.

The only comparable obsession I can think of is Rotti's obsession with Rahul Gandhi. Though putting Rotti and IK in the same sentence is

 

[Varun]

“Pakistan has more talent than India,”

Just India? I thought it was an establish fact that Pakistan are the most talented nation in the world!

 

[Bilal_103]

He is boosting the confidence of Pakistan cricket. it does sound kinda cringey tho tbh.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Link: https://www.samaa.tv/news/2021/02/rs700m-fbeing-offered-for-a-senate-seat-pm-imran-khan/

here you go [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Pakistan mein talent bohat hai..

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

This guy is beyond cringe.

A complete and utter embarrassment.

No he isnt.
He is head-strong and believes in what he says even when everyone including you thinks he is nuts; trait of a great leader.

 

[Mamoon]

here you go [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] Pakistan mein talent bohat hai..

Pakistan is actually the least talented cricket nation ever especially when you consider the fact that we have the second largest cricket population in the world, and cricket is the only sport that is now followed and played with passion.

Hockey has been irrelevant for 30 years now.

For a country that is among the top 10 most populated countries in the world and has a cricket heritage of 65+ years, Pakistan has very little to show for.

We have not produced a single elite level batsman who can compete with the likes of Tendulkar, Viv Richards, Lara, Ponting, Kohli, Smith etc.

Our greatest batsmen are a level below that category.

Heck, even Joe Root is a better batsman than anyone we have ever produced.

We have not produced a single ATG WK batsman.

We have not produced a single world class Test all-rounder since Imran Khan.

Between the debuts of Yousuf (1998) and Babar (2015), Pakistan did not produce a single batsman all-format batsman.

Pakistan has not produced a single world class Test opener since Saeed and he retired 20 years ago.

Pakistan does not have a single spinner with 350+ Test wickets.

Pakistan has a Mickey Mouse legacy in all aspects of the game except fast bowling, and that great legacy of fast bowling was built on achieving reverse-swing with illegal means.

Once those means became impractical due to greater scrutiny and advanced cameras, our fast bowling tumbled.

Whatever success we enjoyed was because of the development of our players in County Cricket, and once they stopped grooming our players, we have faltered.

Pakistan has always been a small and mediocre cricket nation. It has benefited from having the second largest fan base in the world who also happens to be the most delusional, so there is a lot propaganda, fake hype and fictional narrative associated with Pakistan cricket which are not true.

In addition, Pakistan’s cricket culture is rotten to the core and it is the most cricket ignorant nation in the world. 99.99% of our players, ex-players, coaches, selectors, media analysts and fans have no understanding of cricket.

Pakistani fans are the only fans in the world who romanticize mediocrity and inconsistency and repackage it as unpredictability.

If I did not have the misfortune of being a Pakistani, the Pakistan cricket team would be the last team that I would care about. I absolutely despite the cricket culture of Pakistan and its history.

There is nothing likable or admirable about Pakistan cricket. It stinks of mediocrity and always has.

Pakistan has only produced two truly great and elite cricketers - Imran Khan and Wasim Akram.

Everyone else is overrated and were in the shadows of their superior counterparts from other teams.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I don't think even Modi talks about Pakistan during non-election days as much as this guys talks about India.

The only comparable obsession I can think of is Rotti's obsession with Rahul Gandhi. Though putting Rotti and IK in the same sentence is

Modi has included Gambhir in his Bhartiya Gunda Party for this exact reason.

 

[Shams123]

Imran is absolutely right. A war inflicted country with below par domestic cricket and zero home matches has produced some outstanding victories.

Champions trophy win, t20 world cup win, a drawn series in england, odi series win in Ind and Sa.

Now imagine what can this team achieve with a strong domestic cricket and by playing at home. I reckon we will be a top side in 5 years.

 

[Shazzam]

No he isnt.
He is head-strong and believes in what he says even when everyone including you thinks he is nuts; trait of a great leader.

Do you think Pakistan has more talent than India?

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

If Imran thinks Pakistan has a lot of talent then do away with the second XI system and have 12+ teams in the first division.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Past is Past and Past was beautiful... u can do anything to prove B$ but truth is we dominated most countries home and away (ex Aus where we decently competed at max)

and people crying with their slave mentality as usual forget we had the ultimate sportmen in Jahangir and JanSher. Abs no athlete ever in history has ever been so dominant as these 2 .. so stop ur bakwasiyat.

but then, the present is bad... realllllll bad... we are not great or good... barely avg... since early 90s, we have just gone deeper n deeper in the pit...

I have trust in PM Khan to turn around things.. slow n steadily ... the garbage of 30 years will take time to clean

 

[Ab Fan]

Imran has no speaking sense. Talent lol, better was expected from him.

 

[NoBallZombie]

He had already got the neighbours in a bit of a twist with his statement (and ofcourse the pseudo pak fans) . For such a low period in our cricketing history, we still managed to win some silverware. No doubt Pakistan has a lot of talent, the only thing needed is structure.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Link: https://www.samaa.tv/news/2021/02/rs700m-fbeing-offered-for-a-senate-seat-pm-imran-khan/

Utterly unnecessary to bring India. Every tom, dick and harry knows India is brimming with talent and *** they just won 2 back to back test series against Australia and the latest one with their youngsters. Khan saab himself never won a test series there to put that into context.

It's laughable that 2-0 series victory over South Africa has prompted him in saying these stupid things. Where was his 'basic cricket structure' when we were slapped 0-2 in New Zealand?

I agree he is playing to masses but does he think everyone is a fool and he can go on with his ridiculous statements?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Vintage IK!

Trolling Indians since 70s

Some comments in this thread

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

No he isnt.
He is head-strong and believes in what he says even when everyone including you thinks he is nuts; trait of a great leader.

Even Trump believes in what he says.

Is considered a Supreme leader by his cultists.

Doesnt mean anything.

Process his statements as a nuetral.

Its serious cringe with not a shred of humility or even reality lol.

Over the years, i have come to accept Imran Khan as a very very weird dude.

Was an excellent captain no doubt.

But high on rhetorics.

The kind thats harmful for the nation.

But there are no shortage of suckers who will fall for it.

(General comment and not directed at anyone in particular).

 

[Titan24]

He just shared his point of view on the things to a Pakistani news channel and some posters are really getting irked up for unknown reason unless I am missing something. Never realized Imran has the ability to hit the wrong nerves of some Indian posters by just sharing his views.

And posters saying cringe, better was expected and comments harmful for the nation etc. need to look at the other leaders in sub continent around and the word “cringe” would not enough to define ahmm ahhmm... but, we have been told many suckers fall for them in the post above so looks like thats why see some extreme cringe levels in some other leaders as they have to cater more of them maybe.
(General comment and not directed at anyone specific)

Its the cricket side of the forum and I generally prefer to remain here so wont add anything taking it beyond cricket.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

He just shared his point of view on the things to a Pakistani news channel and some posters are really getting irked up for unknown reason unless I am missing something. Never realized Imran has the ability to hit the wrong nerves of some Indian posters by just sharing his views.

And posters saying cringe, better was expected and comments harmful for the nation etc. need to look at the other leaders in sub continent around and the word “cringe” would not enough to define ahmm ahhmm... but, we have been told many suckers fall for them in the post above so looks like thats why see some extreme cringe levels in some other leaders as they have to cater more of them maybe.
(General comment and not directed at anyone specific)

Its the cricket side of the forum and I generally prefer to remain here so wont add anything taking it beyond cricket.

Basically what you are saying is:

I won't go beyond cricket but will bring Modi (i guess) into the picture without saying so.

Sounds about right. Lol.

Yep. I stand by my statements

Dude is an embarassment based on his cricket comments lol.