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[VIDEO] Why Usman Khan would be better off playing for the UAE instead of Pakistan

Was it the right decision for Usman Khan to give up his UAE contract and play for Pakistan?

  • Yes - prioritizing his national team reflects loyalty to his country

    Votes: 19 32.8%

  • No - playing for the UAE offered him lucrative opportunities

    Votes: 39 67.2%
  • Total voters
    58
Rana said:
Against Bangladesh?
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Depends, If their smart like me they'd use only odi performance and limit it to the world cup, List A and Odi performances and talk about Usman khan's gully technique to dismiss him as a prospect while also undermining the tournament at hand.

But because none of them posses my intellect, They'll use 2024 t20 world cup and Bangladesh test series not realising their different formats 🤣🤣
 
W63L35 said:
Usman Khan...
  1. Most runs in the tournament....
  2. Best S/R among the batsment with 100 or more runs in the tournament...
  3. 2nd best Batting Ave among the batsmen with 100 or more runs in the tournament...
  4. Most 4s in the tournament.... (28 fours)
  5. 2nd highest number of sixes in the tournament... (12 sixes)
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Against these world class bowlers? We have heavy weights here like Faheem Ashraf and Zahid Mahmood :ROFLMAO:
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Devadwal said:
Usman Khan in PSL 2024 .
7 matches ,7 innings ,430 runs ,107 AVG ,165 Strike rate ,2 fifty and 2 century.

Usman khan in World T20 2024

4 matches ,4 innings ,20 runs ,13 High score ,6.6 Avg, 90 strike rate.
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So he can’t play international cricket?
 
Rana said:
So he can’t play international cricket?
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He was played international cricket based on PSL performance

I watched him only in world T20 where he was batting like tailenders ,

Not sure how he is scoring in pakistan domestic cricket as I don't watch .
 
Devadwal said:
He was played international cricket based on PSL performance

I watched him only in world T20 where he was batting like tailenders ,

Not sure how he is scoring in pakistan domestic cricket as I don't watch .
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Who from Pakistan was batting like an international standard batsman?
 
Usman Khan (272 runs & 6 catches) swept the Batter and Wicket-Keeper of the Tournament awards in Champions One-Day Cup 2024

Usman Khan on his positive approach in post-match ceremony:

“Such a big crowd had come here to watch the match, so I thought I should try to play fast to make them happy as well.”

https://twitter.com/x/status/1840419263930409341
 
Rana said:
Who from Pakistan was batting like an international standard batsman?
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Most of players were better than him . anyway based on current form ( Domestic) he deserved a chance in next ODI series if he failed again like T20 worldcup then what will you say??

Performing in international cricket is not same thing like domestic cricket .
 
RidiculousMan said:
Oh my my my. Pardon me of this sin if I bring International performances as a standard for qualifying quality players.
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You can use whatever argument you wish? I am not stopping you lol.

But it's a very very poor argument mainly because t20 was a different format.

Rizwan overall is more experienced, has played international for years and years, He should not be averaging 29 and have such a low sr.

Usman Khan has yet to make an international odi debut and not only has he earned that call, he has earned the right to actually be tried at no 4 rather then rizzu holding it like a ladla for either himself and chacha.

Both deserve a go, for the upcoming Australia odi series and multiple series before ct and whoever performs better at no 4 deserves to get a go ahead.

That's the difference between Pakistani fans and international fans. Australia wouldn't hesitate to drop Travis Head if they actually found someone better however not a single batter is superior to Travis head and no shot in hell would they outperform him in such a domestic tournament against such bowlers.

That wasn't the case for rizwan, Babar had no issue shoving his dominance and proving why he's the best and most experienced player in the country and deserves to be no 3 despite the critism against him.

Why didn't rizwan do the same? Babar proved he's the best no 3 with only kamran ghulam outscoring him but having a lower avg and sr while every Tom dick and Harry outscored rizwan and turned him into a joke?
 
Devadwal said:
Most of players were better than him . anyway based on current form ( Domestic) he deserved a chance in next ODI series if he failed again like T20 worldcup then what will you say??

Performing in international cricket is not same thing like domestic cricket .
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I will say keep faith. Like I keep saying for Saim Ayub as well. Also for Azam Khan in T20s.

I know players who should be backed. I know players who have no business to be backed as well.
 
Devadwal said:
Most of players were better than him . anyway based on current form ( Domestic) he deserved a chance in next ODI series if he failed again like T20 worldcup then what will you say??

Performing in international cricket is not same thing like domestic cricket .
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T20 is different. This is List A.

Usman Khan doesn't deserve a shot ahead of rizwan in t20 and test atm.

Rizwan this tournament had the lowest sr and lowest avg which is a huge cause of concern ans that's being ignored.

Australia also made this mistake. Starc had a horrific IPL but they took him based of past mentality of him showing up and it backfired against indians cause they already dealt qith his rubbish in IPL.

It was clear starc needed the boot based of IPL alone but no one saw that? It's the same case with rizwan. Avg of 29 and sr of 80 is extremely alarming in a tournament where even shadab has better numbers and sr
 
Rana said:
I will say keep faith. Like I keep saying for Saim Ayub as well. Also for Azam Khan in T20s.

I know players who should be backed. I know players who have no business to be backed as well.
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Fair but if he can't perform in back to back series then at one point Pakistan need to take a call about his future .

Let give him fair chance so his fan's won't complain in future .

Pakistan is going to play 3 ODI against Australia , Zimbabwe and South Africa before tri series .

Lets give him 9 odi to prove what he can do in international cricket.
 
Devadwal said:
Fair but if he can't perform in back to back series then at one point Pakistan need to take a call about his future .

Let give him fair chance so his fan's won't complain in future .

Pakistan is going to play 3 ODI against Australia , Zimbabwe and South Africa before tri series .

Lets give him 9 odi to prove what he can do in international cricket.
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Why not also give him the ODIs on the home phattas?

Kisko paagal banane ke chackar main hai?
 
Rana said:
Why not also give him the ODIs on the home phattas?

Kisko paagal banane ke chackar main hai?
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So you're saying he can't perform away From home. If he is good enough then no one can question about his selection .
 
Devadwal said:
So you're saying he can't perform away From home. If he is good enough then no one can question about his selection .
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Why should he not get the home games having performed brilliantly at home?
 
Rana said:
Why should he not get the home games having performed brilliantly at home?
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Pakistan is going to play next 9 odi away from home .

3 against Zimbabwe so no excuse for away condition.

3 against australia just before BGT so all of first choice bowlers ( Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins) Will not play.

He will not get any batter chance to perform in away conditions .

If he is a quality player as you're advocating then he need to perform and fix the place in pakistan team.
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistan is going to play next 9 odi away from home .

3 against Zimbabwe so no excuse for away condition.

3 against australia just before BGT so all of first choice bowlers ( Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins) Will not play.

He will not get any batter chance to perform in away conditions .

If he is a quality player as you're advocating then he need to perform and fix the place in pakistan team.
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How can I ‘advocate’ for him? He isn’t Mohammad Rizwan who needs Misbah ul Haq to pull strings and ruin people’s careers for him to fit in, or Babar to do favours for his friend and agency head. No. He is a hardworking, brave cricketer who wants to play positively. He wants to play in a way that will improve Pakistan and try to match the way the best teams are playing. I don’t need to advocate for a guy who will deserve his place on merit….that stuff is for dishonest people like yourself who say Pakistan cannot change their team, as Babar and Rizwan are it’s best batters.
 
Rana said:
How can I ‘advocate’ for him? He isn’t Mohammad Rizwan who needs Misbah ul Haq to pull strings and ruin people’s careers for him to fit in, or Babar to do favours for his friend and agency head. No. He is a hardworking, brave cricketer who wants to play positively. He wants to play in a way that will improve Pakistan and try to match the way the best teams are playing. I don’t need to advocate for a guy who will deserve his place on merit….that stuff is for dishonest people like yourself who say Pakistan cannot change their team, as Babar and Rizwan are it’s best batters.
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Look rizwan is not a world beaters but he has earned the place by performing .if im not wrong then Rizwan scored two odi century in a series against australia.

Now Usman will get the opportunity to show what he can do its up to him to prove that he can belong to international cricket .

Playing away from home is all excuse , next you'll say he need Pakistan domestic type trundlres bowlers to perform in international cricket .
 
These are the batsmen who played in ODIs from openers to #6 batting positions....since 1/1/2022. Usman can easily be given a chance at #5 in ODIs.....


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Devadwal said:
Usman can play at 5 but not in place of rizwan which few people's are advocating .

Iftikhar is useless so he can take his place to prove his worth .
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Usman is perfect for number 4 position, at number 5 u need someone who can provide u the finishing touch so i think Irfan Niazi is better option at 5th position compared to Iftikhar.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Usman is perfect for number 4 position, at number 5 u need someone who can provide u the finishing touch so i think Irfan Niazi is better option at 5th position compared to Iftikhar.
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Realistically Usman is probably a good number 3. He can really up the ante with some positive intent and push the pressure back on the opposition or continue the excellent work of the openers. For now, I recon he deserves his shot at the position he has performed in. His 76 against Stallions was maybe the best innings of the tournament for me. Absolutely loved it.
 
Rana said:
Realistically Usman is probably a good number 3. He can really up the ante with some positive intent and push the pressure back on the opposition or continue the excellent work of the openers. For now, I recon he deserves his shot at the position he has performed in. His 76 against Stallions was maybe the best innings of the tournament for me. Absolutely loved it.
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No 3 to opener on t20.

No 4 in odi is good for him, He himself enjoys that no. He's the type of guy who likes settling in with spin rather then pace.
 
mominsaigol said:
No 3 to opener on t20.

No 4 in odi is good for him, He himself enjoys that no. He's the type of guy who likes settling in with spin rather then pace.
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I think he’s the best attacking player of spin in Pakistan

But then again, Pakistani spinners are nothing special
 
Usman has smashed it.

People big up the performances of certain players against these bowlers, but then downgrade Usman for performing against them.

He has consistently delivered in Pak domestic cricket. The same people will say that they want players to perform in domestic will then write off domestic cricket when Usman performs.

For some reason this humble guy from a poor background has got people wanting him to fail.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
People big up the performances of certain players against these bowlers, but then downgrade Usman for performing against them.

He has consistently delivered in Pak domestic cricket. The same people will say that they want players to perform in domestic will then write off domestic cricket when Usman performs.

For some reason this humble guy from a poor background has got people wanting him to fail.
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Who wants him to fail besides Misbah, Rizwan and their fandom? Haven't heard of anyone else.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Most.of the fans write him off.

Most of the fans ( wrist slitters like you) didn't want him to play for Pakistan.
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How so? I wanted him to go to UAE because I felt abroad is where his true talent lies. Uae, USA, SA idrc. Imran tahir did the same and was succesful.

And I firmly believe this. That doesn't mean I don't want him to succeed so I find it rich that you keep calling me a liar but shifts lying narrative on me when you know full well what I meant and the words are still written on the usman khan thread.

My point was Rizwan and Naqvi won't let him play and develop. Which is true. I listed the team of the tournament and you clearly saw that thread since you liked some posts their and usman kham is present?

But ik full well theirs a fat chance in hell that even 10% of that list will be taken. Kamran ghulam max and that's about it. Usman khan maybe 1 or 2 games before he's dropped for good while rizwan gets free ride.

Do me a favour and slit your own wrists yeah?
 
A handful of 6-7 games and people want him to be Pakistan's 50 over keeper and batter.

Typical thing to do as a Pakistani cricketer.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
A handful of 6-7 games and people want him to be Pakistan's 50 over keeper and batter.

Typical thing to do as a Pakistani cricketer.
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If they perform: “a handful of games” excuse

If they don’t perform: “Pakistan doesn’t have any Kohlis and Pontings in its domestic circuit”

Oh bhai kya chaahte ho? We stick to the current rubbish in the national side??
 
DeadlyVenom said:
How many games do you think a player should perform in domestic before being included?
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I ask that question with chacha but in reverse.

How many games do you think he needs to flop like a fish before being dropped
 
Could be one of those who are good enough to bash it in domestic but struggle to step up in internationals. Had a noticeable issue against the short ball. Nevertheless earned a run
 
Rana said:
If they perform: “a handful of games” excuse

If they don’t perform: “Pakistan doesn’t have any Kohlis and Pontings in its domestic circuit”

Oh bhai kya chaahte ho? We stick to the current rubbish in the national side??
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Pakistan is full of rubbish unfortunately and there's nothing that can be done about it.

Common sense is the main thing that doesn't exist in Pakistan.

Try the guy if there's any 50 over international games coming up before the CT, if he does well then all good but if he does how he did in his T20i games thus far then don't start calling for head or for the next rubbish thing.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Pakistan is full of rubbish unfortunately and there's nothing that can be done about it.

Common sense is the main thing that doesn't exist in Pakistan.

Try the guy if there's any 50 over international games coming up before the CT, if he does well then all good but if he does how he did in his T20i games thus far then don't start calling for head or for the next rubbish thing.
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Well,

You make your CT squad or XI now and play them as many games possible…hoping they win 4 out of 5 games when it matters.

You really shouldn’t be trialing guys only to let go of them on the eve of the tournament
 
People judging him on the T20 World Cup are being unfair.

The pitches in that tournament were horrible.

The next couple of ICC events are in Pakistan and India, so Usman will be at home.
 
Rana said:
Well,

You make your CT squad or XI now and play them as many games possible…hoping they win 4 out of 5 games when it matters.

You really shouldn’t be trialing guys only to let go of them on the eve of the tournament
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This is literally the norm that happens in Pakistan since decades.

Fans shout on about dropping players and asking for their favs to be tried and when they fade away it's the same thing.

Pakistans biggest calamity is the people itself that bring the downfall itself.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
We are a poor side at rock bottom.

In general I would agree with you about the need to have some games under your belt ( particularly for bowlers )but we need someone dynamic very desperately.
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Pakistan's been a poor side for quite sometime. When Babar came and then Rizwan found his mojo when Sarfraz became miserable, people thought Pak is sorted for the next 10 years.

Little forgetting that a team is built by 11 players and not just 2-3 individuals who can't be churning out runs everyday and everywhere.

Players don't want to learn or grow brings their egos in between and that is also a massive issue in our players.
 
Deewana Mastana said:
Try the guy if there's any 50 over international games coming up before the CT, if he does well then all good but if he does how he did in his T20i games thus far then don't start calling for head or for the next rubbish thing.
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I’m not sure Pakistan are at that stage where they can try certain players with the liberty of discarding them if they are not performing in their trial period. The current XI or squad have proven to be rubbish.

You have to be extremely clear about what kind of cricket you want to play, identify the right players for that approach and just go with them. That’s how England transformed themselves in 2015. They didn’t threaten guys like Roy and Hales that we will have to bring back Alistair Cook if you guys can’t hit the ground running in the few games you have.

The problem in Pakistan is indeed common sense as you say, but unfortunately this lack of common sense doesn’t just limit within the PCB, the nation and fans as a whole are also guilty of it.
 
Rana said:
I’m not sure Pakistan are at that stage where they can try certain players with the liberty of discarding them if they are not performing in their trial period. The current XI or squad have proven to be rubbish.

You have to be extremely clear about what kind of cricket you want to play, identify the right players for that approach and just go with them. That’s how England transformed themselves in 2015. They didn’t threaten guys like Roy and Hales that we will have to bring back Alistair Cook if you guys can’t hit the ground running in the few games you have.

The problem in Pakistan is indeed common sense as you say, but unfortunately this lack of common sense doesn’t just limit within the PCB, the nation and fans as a whole are also guilty of it.
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Exactly, Everyone is acting like we're replacing smith, Warner, root, kohli, Rohit, Travis head and the only logical solution is to bring 1 or 2 players max and try them out slowly and steadily.

That only works if you have a proper team. Your entire team has rubbish in form of Abdullah, Imam, Rizwan, Shadab, Nawaz, Hasan Ali, Chacha etc etc with many other bowlers like shaheen fizzling out and saud underperforming in odi followed by Babar suffering in all formats atm.
 
These numbers are for the posters who are criticizing Usman Khan for his "international" performances.

These are the T20 batting stats of all the Pakistani batsmen in which Usman Khan played. Usman's numbers are much better than Saim, Iftikhar, Usama and Azam.

You can also debate Rizwan's numbers because his average is inflated by 3 not outs.... but he has horrible S/R (104.16) by T20 standards.

Usman's S/R is better than Rizwan, Babar and Fakhar. It is only 2nd to Shadab Khan's S/R....

Yes, Usman's average is only 14.62 but you just can't ignore other batsmen's performances on the same pitches agains same bowling. If he had batted like Rizwan, he might have had a better batting average.

I am not saying Usman is next Kohli or next Sachin... all I am saying:
1. He made a very brave and "good for him" decision to pick Pakistan over UAE. Let's respect his decision.
2. Let's not discard him before giving him proper chances in Pakistani team.



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Regardless of how you feel about his ability or what have you, his numbers & form warrant a selection in the ODI team.

Like many areas of the Pakistan teams, the sheer lack of depth in the WK department need bolstering & Usman Khan can be a option.
 
Should be opening in ODIs and t20s right now. Easy to fit him in for t20s, Babar can play at 3. In ODIs a bit more difficult but I’d sadly drop Abdullah for now (but I’d back him for tests still). And I would give him a Saim Ayub-esque run.
 
W63L35 said:
These numbers are for the posters who are criticizing Usman Khan for his "international" performances.

These are the T20 batting stats of all the Pakistani batsmen in which Usman Khan played. Usman's numbers are much better than Saim, Iftikhar, Usama and Azam.

You can also debate Rizwan's numbers because his average is inflated by 3 not outs.... but he has horrible S/R (104.16) by T20 standards.

Usman's S/R is better than Rizwan, Babar and Fakhar. It is only 2nd to Shadab Khan's S/R....

Yes, Usman's average is only 14.62 but you just can't ignore other batsmen's performances on the same pitches agains same bowling. If he had batted like Rizwan, he might have had a better batting average.

I am not saying Usman is next Kohli or next Sachin... all I am saying:
1. He made a very brave and "good for him" decision to pick Pakistan over UAE. Let's respect his decision.
2. Let's not discard him before giving him proper chances in Pakistani team.



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Rizwan sr of 104

Where is the Sharam?
 
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Rana said:
Rizwan sr of 104

Where is the Sharam?
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Sr of 104 amd 50 avg

So rizwan averages 50 of 48 balls in t20? That's 8 overs wasted leaving 12 overs for THE ENTIRE TEAM TO CATCH UP?

And people wonder why the middle order is so brittle 🤣🤣
 
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You back players based on potential.

Then domestic performances.

If they’re good BUT fail in initial international outings, you do NOT drop them rather stick with them for a good number of matches so their true worth can shine through.

Usman can fail as much as he wants in the next few international matches. We have to give him a long run and he will come good. When he does and overcomes the mental block, he will smash international teams too.

Same goes for Saim Ayub.

These players need to be given a long rope and a free hand.

They’re better than the existing accumulators we have and show more intent even when they are apparently failing.
 
Hawkeye said:
You back players based on potential.

Then domestic performances.

If they’re good BUT fail in initial international outings, you do NOT drop them rather stick with them for a good number of matches so their true worth can shine through.

Usman can fail as much as he wants in the next few international matches. We have to give him a long run and he will come good. When he does and overcomes the mental block, he will smash international teams too.

Same goes for Saim Ayub.

These players need to be given a long rope and a free hand.

They’re better than the existing accumulators we have and show more intent even when they are apparently failing.
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At some point the rope runs out of slack, what’s the right # of matches? If Usman shows intent every match but only scores 10-15 run each innings, do you give him 30 matches? 40? This is the age old question, when is enough enough. Pakistan has never figured it out
 
offstump said:
At some point the rope runs out of slack, what’s the right # of matches? If Usman shows intent every match but only scores 10-15 run each innings, do you give him 30 matches? 40? This is the age old question, when is enough enough. Pakistan has never figured it out
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Ask Trevor Bayliss

Ask Eoin Morgan

They will give you the right answer
 
offstump said:
At some point the rope runs out of slack, what’s the right # of matches? If Usman shows intent every match but only scores 10-15 run each innings, do you give him 30 matches? 40? This is the age old question, when is enough enough. Pakistan has never figured it out
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Should be at least 4-5 series.

Not just one tournament like World T20.
 
Here is another very interesting comparison.....
Usman Khan in his first 9 T20I innings ... vs another T20I super batsman in his first 9 innings!
As you can see both players have almost indentical starts to their careers.

Let's see how many posters can guess the mystry player! :)
Clue: The mystry player has played more than 90 T20Is for his country and has a huge fan following.

Question: If this mystry player can go on to 90+ T20Is with an indentical start to Usman's career start ... then why Usman can't go on to play more T20Is for Pakistan??
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Hawkeye said:
Should be at least 4-5 series.

Not just one tournament like World T20.
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That’s reasonable. You can see how they’ve given Saim the longest rope I’ve seen Pakistan give a player in a long long time. They desperately want his to be successful. I feel Haider Ali should have gotten the same backing.
 
Usman has been brilliant in the One-day Cup and he is definitely in the selector's eye after this event. He likes to take on the bowlers which is something that is lacking in most of the other batters. I would definitely give him a go in one-day cricket as well. Should not be discarded from T20 atm. He might need another 2-3 series to finally give us a better idea.
 
Usman Khan in blistering form in the President’s Cup, smashing a stunning double-hundred! He reached 200 off just 131 balls before retiring hurt, marking the fastest-ever List A 200 by a Pakistani batter.
 
I am pretty sure I told you guys this guy is a big daddy hundred player for white ball cricket
 
Bruv get him in the Test side and unleash him against England’s juvenile spinners!
 
MenInG said:
Usman Khan in blistering form in the President’s Cup, smashing a stunning double-hundred! He reached 200 off just 131 balls before retiring hurt, marking the fastest-ever List A 200 by a Pakistani batter.
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I remember Sharjeel also scored a double hundred once in List A cricket.
Hope we don't waste Usman's enormous talent like we did with Sharjeel
 
This tailender has gotten way too many chances already. have seen enough of this Hack.

He should be nowhere near Pakistan squad.
He is absolutely terrible. He can't play pace bowling at all, even against spin bowling he's awful.

Better to keep him in PSL and "president cup"
 
MenInG said:
Usman Khan in blistering form in the President’s Cup, smashing a stunning double-hundred! He reached 200 off just 131 balls before retiring hurt, marking the fastest-ever List A 200 by a Pakistani batter.
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Is he the next Khurram Manzoor of domestic Cricket?
 
The guy is in excellent form right now

I would put him in instead of Abdullah Shafique at least
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes, Sandpaper exists for every team except India and rizwan.

Usman Khan must have accidentally borrowed one of Rizwan's magic bats from New Zealand to score that 200
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I add a few words in between rana's sentences. It was not about cheating or anything related to india , rizwan
 
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Devadwal said:
I add a few words in between rana's sentences. It was not about cheating or anything related to india , rizwan
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What did @Rana say wrong That needed fixing?

He believes usman Khan can become a daddy 100 player for pakistan? It's a belief? Not a fact?
 
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