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[VIDEOS] Bazball cannot disguise Test cricket's weakest era

No DRS meant batters could play spinners with impunity with their pads.
The advent of DRS has necessitated a change in technique of players against spin — Swann has spoken about this eloquently.

Correct. DRS has altered Cricketing techniques like nothing ever before. Infact it completely trashes the "conventional" wisdom that the old foggies would drone about non-stop. Best thing to have ever happened to Test Cricket.

My only wish is that they get rid of the umpires call nonsense.
 
After the ball hits the pad, the rest of its trajectory is a prediction. Therefore there will always be some margin of error. Umpire's call allows for that margin of error.

I know but its the only loophole that is subjective ... have to make it fully autonomous and take the umpire out of it. If its touching the stumps then its out.
 
I know but its the only loophole that is subjective ... have to make it fully autonomous and take the umpire out of it. If its touching the stumps then its out.
It would still be an issue. How can you be sure the fully autonomous system will make 100% accurate predictions? Touching the stumps on the technology may not always mean touching the stumps in reality.
 
It would still be an issue. How can you be sure the fully autonomous system will make 100% accurate predictions? Touching the stumps on the technology may not always mean touching the stumps in reality.

the idea is to have a uniform system for everyone. Its the same reason why the lbw decision was taken out of the umpires hand.

just like we rely totally on the snicko ... the Hawkeye should be the sile decision maker once it is referred.
 
the idea is to have a uniform system for everyone. Its the same reason why the lbw decision was taken out of the umpires hand.

just like we rely totally on the snicko ... the Hawkeye should be the sile decision maker once it is referred.
So if the tech comes up with a bale skimmer you can't say for sure that the batsman is out. Hawkeye is not flawless and this is arguably more unfair.
 
So if the tech comes up with a bale skimmer you can't say for sure that the batsman is out. Hawkeye is not flawless and this is arguably more unfair.

I understand but the umpire is even more unreliable and most importantly inconsistent. With Hawkeye it will behave consistently. Just like snicko. Even if there is a Small spike its out regardless of what the umpire heard or did not hear.
 
Graeme Swann hails 'Bazball' despite Test series loss to Pakistan, speaking to a local English media outlet:

"Not the first Test, but the second and third ones... Yeah, you know, it's a shame. I don't think the spinners bowled badly at all. It's just you're playing against people who are used to conditions like that, who've grown up on conditions like that. And with the Pakistan spinners, who've been doing that for years... I mean, they're very senior sorts of guys, even though they were new to Test cricket."

"So, it's one of those things. If you don't score massive runs on turning pitches, it's very hard for young spinners, especially. So, I'm not blaming the batsmen, by the way. It's just a team effort, I think."

"I love the way England play their cricket these days - very aggressively, always looking to win. And they've taken the draw out of the game, almost. And I think that's positive. It's brilliant for the future and will, in the long term, be very good for the spinners."

"You know, five days of cricket with no result... Let's face it, we all went through that back in the day, but it's not enjoyable to play nor watch. I love the aggressive nature. I know a lot of people say, 'But it's, you know, you can't go out there not minding if you lose to win a game.' I disagree with that."

"I think, if you dangle the carrot and are always prepared to be positive and take the aggressive route, it's entertaining, and you'll win far more than you lose. Look at the record they've had. Then people are very quick, when there's a loss, to turn around and say, 'Hang on, this doesn't work.' It does work."
 
England has totally reshaped the way Test cricket is played.... the way they dominated India in the opening game just shows they can turn things around and win from any position.
 
Bazball is working for England. They shouldn't change it.

They could've easily gone into a shell on Day 5. But, they batted positively and got the job done (with more than 10 overs to spare).
 
I think they will succeed only in England with this approach... (maybe in NZ also where conditions are similar) It can backfire in other conditions (especially Australia & Sub-Continent, they may win odd matches against weaker times like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, WI, Bangladesh, etc). Also England have messed up their LOI cricket...! England team is basically like player "Pant"... Strong in Tests, but confused in LOIs... They have forgotten to build/construct innings in ODIs and to be ultra-aggressive in T20s...

England will do overall well (they have not even qualified for any of the 3 WTC Finals) only if they get back to their home strength... (Swinging conditions, bit of grass, develop bowlers, develop overall skills of batsmen)
 
win loss ratio since Stokes and Mccullum took over

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During this time, England have

Most wins
3rd Highest W/L ratio
Highest Batting Score
Highest batting average
Highest RPO
Their bowling RPO is joint with India ( England have weak bowling while India has GOAT)

The previous match wasn't great but some of the criticism around Bazball, particularly from Indians who have been anti-bazball from the start for some reason, is excessive.
 
win loss ratio since Stokes and Mccullum took over

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During this time, England have

Most wins
3rd Highest W/L ratio
Highest Batting Score
Highest batting average
Highest RPO
Their bowling RPO is joint with India ( England have weak bowling while India has GOAT)

The previous match wasn't great but some of the criticism around Bazball, particularly from Indians who have been anti-bazball from the start for some reason, is excessive.
Any important series they have won against strong sides? Apart from winning a series on pakistan roads against Pakistan where Even Bangladesh have won . They haven't won anything with tullebaazi.

Bazball is already died in the Last match after 316 runs humiliating defeat.

:kp
 
Any important series they have won against strong sides? Apart from winning a series on pakistan roads against Pakistan where Even Bangladesh have won . They haven't won anything with tullebaazi.

Bazball is already died in the Last match after 316 runs humiliating defeat.

:kp
They had some scope to fine tune it. But they couldn't because their defensive skills gone for a toss.
 
win loss ratio since Stokes and Mccullum took over

View attachment 155933

During this time, England have

Most wins
3rd Highest W/L ratio
Highest Batting Score
Highest batting average
Highest RPO
Their bowling RPO is joint with India ( England have weak bowling while India has GOAT)

The previous match wasn't great but some of the criticism around Bazball, particularly from Indians who have been anti-bazball from the start for some reason, is excessive.

The bazball era definitely has been a great improvement over the previous editions, but its major limitation has always been its success on pancake flat pitches - give them any other kinda pitch & see Bazball crumble. No wonder England is now resorting to doctoring pitches to suit Bazball which they never did in the past. This data hence is skewed & doesn’t tell the whole story - highest batting scores and averages don’t mean anything if they are not winning you matches against India & Australia.

However exciting that Bazball is & it has revolutionized Test cricket for sure, but at the end of the day it is nothing but an extended version of T20 hacking. Also the inflexible approach that Stokes and Co. have taken shows that they are now victims to their own ideology. They have lost the ability to defend & draw a match, which is an integral skill of Test cricket. It makes for good viewing for sure, but it is not going to get them to the top.
 
Due to bazball, England has becomes one dimensional team and its showing in all formats. They are good on Flat pitches but failed miserably as soon as conditions becomes Tricky. Not a good sign for England cricket.

:kp
 
Bazball might work on flat tracks and roads, but if they have to play some sensible cricket to save the game, they will falter because Bazball is on their minds now.
 
The bazball era definitely has been a great improvement over the previous editions, but its major limitation has always been its success on pancake flat pitches - give them any other kinda pitch & see Bazball crumble. No wonder England is now resorting to doctoring pitches to suit Bazball which they never did in the past. This data hence is skewed & doesn’t tell the whole story - highest batting scores and averages don’t mean anything if they are not winning you matches against India & Australia.

However exciting that Bazball is & it has revolutionized Test cricket for sure, but at the end of the day it is nothing but an extended version of T20 hacking. Also the inflexible approach that Stokes and Co. have taken shows that they are now victims to their own ideology. They have lost the ability to defend & draw a match, which is an integral skill of Test cricket. It makes for good viewing for sure, but it is not going to get them to the top.
Agreed that the inflexibility is a major downside. However they don't want to introduce doubt into the players minds by asking them to stray from the strategy. If you stray on a day 5 against India then doubts may creep in on a day 3 in a normal test somewhere else. Their whole goal is to remove any conflicts from the batsman. I don't agree with it as elite sportsmen should be flexible.

What does it mean to get to the top in test match cricket nowadays anyway? Is it to top the rankings? For England it just means winning the Ashes and if they do that then Bazball will be well and truly successful in their eyes.
 
Any important series they have won against strong sides? Apart from winning a series on pakistan roads against Pakistan where Even Bangladesh have won . They haven't won anything with tullebaazi.

Bazball is already died in the Last match after 316 runs humiliating defeat.

:kp
Too early to say it's dead. If they lose a home series against India then we can start to prepare the coffin, but the real test will be Ashes. If they win that and lose this series they will be happy.
 
Too early to say it's dead. If they lose a home series against India then we can start to prepare the coffin, but the real test will be Ashes. If they win that and lose this series they will be happy.
It doesn't matter what they will be happy with .

You have the WTC and they ended up 5th on the table in the last cycle.

Teams will be judged on the basis of their WTC standings.
 
It doesn't matter what they will be happy with .

You have the WTC and they ended up 5th on the table in the last cycle.

Teams will be judged on the basis of their WTC standings.
There are too many different measures of success in test cricket. Is success to top the rankings, win the WTC, win away from home?

For example many Indians claim that WTC is irrelevant and BGT is their measure of success, give them a choice between BGT and WTC and they said they would take the BGT.

England fans feel the same way. Ashes is always first.
 
There are too many different measures of success in test cricket. Is success to top the rankings, win the WTC, win away from home?

For example many Indians claim that WTC is irrelevant and BGT is their measure of success, give them a choice between BGT and WTC and they said they would take the BGT.

England fans feel the same way. Ashes is always first.
They didn’t win the Ashes too.
Ashes is still in Aus since 2017-18.
 
England has a solid batting lineup- if they were not forced to follow this dictatorial Bazball regime then they could do even better.

The likes of Jamie Smith, Brook, Bethell are world class talents.

I am really excited for the Ashes this time in Aus, I know Aus bowling is stronger but Eng batters are on a totally different level.

Aus batting is going downhill while English batting is on the rise, if Aus prepares seam friendly pitches and the gulf between the bowling lineup is nullified then England can finally win some tests there.
 
England has a solid batting lineup- if they were not forced to follow this dictatorial Bazball regime then they could do even better.

The likes of Jamie Smith, Brook, Bethell are world class talents.

I am really excited for the Ashes this time in Aus, I know Aus bowling is stronger but Eng batters are on a totally different level.

Aus batting is going downhill while English batting is on the rise, if Aus prepares seam friendly pitches and the gulf between the bowling lineup is nullified then England can finally win some tests there.
Lol why didnt you mention root?

Thr insecurity levels for Tenda is rising day by day :srt
 
I mean this upcoming away Ashes. Home Ashes was a good series. They came back quite well.
Home series are for winning not making a comeback after losing a test.

I am just saying that Bazball has not really brought a lot of success for England even if you are just counting Ashes, Joe Roots team in 2019 was also able to draw an Ashes series, so what’s the improvement?

The only improvement I could see was when they whitewashed Pak( bcoz of Pak playing to their strength)but then Pakistan made spin pitches and brought them back to reality .

I agree that they are more exciting to watch when batting, thats the only improvement.

If they actually want people to praise them, they need to win the upcoming Ashes, if India can beat Aus with its D team then why not the Bazballers.
 
There are too many different measures of success in test cricket. Is success to top the rankings, win the WTC, win away from home?

For example many Indians claim that WTC is irrelevant and BGT is their measure of success, give them a choice between BGT and WTC and they said they would take the BGT.

England fans feel the same way. Ashes is always first.
And Indian fans can prefer BGT to WTC. But the success of the Test side will have to be measured in terms of WTC standings .


It's pretty much made everything else irrelevant.
 
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