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He won’t answer that in a well known trumpian fashion…. Dodge and pivot like a ballerina because “I know more than anyone in the world about this conflict and let me tell you something …. “ blah blah.factual statements? that Ukraine got screwed over by trusting US to keep it word?
Do enlighten us, how is Israel situation different from Ukraine?
Floor is yours.
Again , as I said before, this is Zelensky Ukraine thread. Glad to respond in the Israel thread. Why dont you post a query there and we can take up that discussion there ? Did I ever say - I wont answer ?? Dont make stuff that is blatantly not trueHe won’t answer that in a well known trumpian fashion…. Dodge and pivot like a ballerina because “I know more than anyone in the world about this conflict and let me tell you something …. “ blah blah.
To be honest, Israel requires other thread. Otherwise this thread will be derailed, religion will also come in to play.He won’t answer that in a well known trumpian fashion…. Dodge and pivot like a ballerina because “I know more than anyone in the world about this conflict and let me tell you something …. “ blah blah.
As I said will discuss on that thread. There are countless other threads on it. No need to derail this. This is the Ukraine Zelensky Trump thread. Every single issue is different. No need to insert and tie Gaza into everything. Each conflict is different an FYI.
You quoted an article pointing exactly what I'm saying.Getting screwed over not is a matter of opinion. Just posted what the signed agreements were and stated by the Ukraine gov official himself.
Is this an Israel thread? Happy to discuss Israel in the Israel thread. ( which IMO is totally different than Ukraine or Kashmir or Rohingya or Uiyughurs etc- each one is different )
what a load of crap. USSR got all the resources to survive and fight from.. wait for it....One of things I find funny is how whenever these guys start losing the argument, they often refer to WW2 and Hitler as an example. If we don't stop Putin now, then he'll take over Europe blah blah. "We" stopped Hitler with the help of America. Er, not really, the Soviet Union (Red Army) did almost all of the heavy lifting, they should be given the credit first but no one in the UK or the west even mentions them.
Propaganda here is off the charts.
how come that same advice is not being given about palestine?If it wasn't clear enough already, we now know who wants this war to continue and why. It certainly isn't the current US administration. But the part that I don't understand is, why Europe thinks Ukraine can push Russia back even slightly without US support. Even a blind bat can see if this war continues the frontline will be shifting in one direction and it won't be towards Moscow for sure.
Just end the war, take the deal, stop sending men to their inevitable death and accept your defeat (however hard it is to swallow).
This thread is about Trump and Zelensky in regards to the Ukraine and Russia situation. It's not to do with Gaza, more than happy to discuss that with you in that thread.how come that same advice is not being given about palestine?
It was USSR who did the heavy lifting. They faught all the big battles and sacrificed the most soldiers by a huge factor. As Churchill famously said "The Soviets tore the guts out of the Germans".what a load of crap. USSR got all the resources to survive and fight from.. wait for it....
Whether you like Trump or not, you can't deny he had Zelensky's pants down in that interview.
If it wasn't clear enough already, we now know who wants this war to continue and why. It certainly isn't the current US administration. But the part that I don't understand is, why Europe thinks Ukraine can push Russia back even slightly without US support. Even a blind bat can see if this war continues the frontline will be shifting in one direction and it won't be towards Moscow for sure.
Just end the war, take the deal, stop sending men to their inevitable death and accept your defeat (however hard it is to swallow).
Wouldnt be the first time that American parents would lose their sons in a war waged to protect the interests of their Jewish overlords. Zelensky is just another, more in your face.
Can you not read the moderator's post above # 325 ? Discuss palestine in the palestine thread or go start a new one and folks and me as well will reply there. No need to derail every thread with palestine gaza israel etc etc .how come that same advice is not being given about palestine?
And now this.. Zelensky has no intention whatsoever of trying to end the war.
News : Ukraine’s Zelenskyy says end of war with Russia is ‘very, very far away’
That's because idiots like Keir Starmer and his clueless MPs keep pledging £££millions of UK funds to keep this proxy war limping on.
Did you watch all 50 minutes or just click bait videos?I found the entire press conference cringeworthy... how can the president of a superpower, the biggest superpower, behave like this?
His ego, narcissism is on a completely different level...
It seems that Instead of being sincere about the people of Ukraine instead Trump was only out for revenge against Zelenskyy.
Trump kept going on about the Javelin Anti tank missiles he sanctioned in 2019 but didn't mention his phone call to Zelenskyy when he told him to investigate Hunter Biden before more Javelins were supplied...
Also Vance reminding Zelenskyy that he supported the Democrats in the run up to the elections... so?
The world became a dangerous place in 2022 but since January 2024 it's just gone up a few more notches
Good. Hopefully the EU steps up and provides the aid to Ukraine. And Zelensky is not bound by any US constraints now. He can do whatever he wants, prolong the war as long as he wants and gain a massive victory over Russia. Wishing him all the luck !US pauses military aid to Ukraine, says White House
The United States is pausing military aid to Ukraine days after U.S. President Donald Trump clashed with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy in the Oval Office, a White House official confirmed on Monday.
The official said the U.S. is pausing and reviewing aid to ensure it is contributing to a solution.
The pause will last until Trump determines the country's leaders demonstrate a good-faith commitment to peace, according to Bloomberg and Fox News reports.
"This is not permanent termination of aid, it's a pause," Fox News quoted a Trump administration official as saying.
Bloomberg reported that all U.S. military equipment not currently in Ukraine would be paused, including weapons in transit on aircraft and ships or waiting in transit areas in Poland.
It added that Trump ordered Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth to execute the pause.
The reports come hours after Trump told reporters at the White House that he had not discussed suspending military aid to Ukraine, but added that Zelenskiy "should be more appreciative" of Washington's support.
Good. Hopefully the EU steps up and provides the aid to Ukraine. And Zelensky is not bound by any US constraints now. He can do whatever he wants, prolong the war as long as he wants and gain a massive victory over Russia. Wishing him all the luck !
I feared this would happen. Zelensky has overplayed his hand. As someone who lives in UK it’s not great that Europe will end up picking up the tab for lack of US aid. Trump was just looking for a way to save money and bring money back to US. Whether he does it via getting minerals in US or just stopping aid to Ukraine, it will still more or less result in the same outcome, saving USA money. Trump severely dislikes being involved in a war which has little effect on USA. I’m sure he’d pull out of NATO if he could, and he wanted to pull out from Afghanistan too. Europe we’re not separated by an ocean unfortunately, it actually effects us.
Trump was always going to get something from these talks. Even if Russia goes ahead and invades the whole of Ukraine successfully and win the war, Trump’s got his excuse to not intervene.
I actually respect Zelensky but time to move on from him I think and get a new leader in. It’s not going to work anymore with him in charge. I don’t believe Zelensky is corrupt and think he had admirably led his country through this war and respect his desire to not give up concessions to Russia and other countries even though I think it is required to achieve peace sadly. Otherwise we wait around 4 years and hope the next US president can achieve a peace deal etc. With no guarantee, given that he might have views similar to Trump and the same thing happens again. Best thing Zelensky can do is honourably step down, and at least he won’t have to make the hard choice personally to create peace which may be tough with all these years of fighting. Maybe someone new coming in can see things a bit in the big picture and realise what is needed to create peace and stop this war.
We’re doing this on the grounds of NATO, to safeguard against Russian expansion and protect Europe security. It does make sense we would be involved given we are part of Europe. USA is part of NATO but it is always a strange situation as they are expected to protect Europe without being part of Europe. Which is why much easier for USA to walk away. Can’t even say it’s done due to EU as Ukraine aren’t EU either. Honestly in the modern world, I’m not sure it’s even makes sense for USA to be a part of NATO. Europe is enough by themselves these days against a faded power in Russia. The whole reason USA was involved in the first place was because the Soviet Union were a power that Europe would struggle to fight themselves.I don't see why the UK should be picking up the tab for a war in Europe when we are not even EU members any more. This war is not affecting us, we are meddling in it for no reason and throwing money at it which we can't afford.
I am not a Trump fan, but from an American POV what he is doing makes absolute sense. The whole world would have been better off if we hadn't encouraged a Ukraine secession from Russia. Let them fight it on their own terms like all the other aspiring Russian states like Chechnya or Siberia.
We’re doing this on the grounds of NATO, to safeguard against Russian expansion and protect Europe security. It does make sense we would be involved given we are part of Europe. USA is part of NATO but it is always a strange situation as they are expected to protect Europe without being part of Europe. Which is why much easier for USA to walk away. Can’t even say it’s done due to EU as Ukraine aren’t EU either. Honestly in the modern world, I’m not sure it’s even makes sense for USA to be a part of NATO. Europe is enough by themselves these days against a faded power in Russia. The whole reason USA was involved in the first place was because the Soviet Union were a power that Europe would struggle to fight themselves.
If USA stop aid, nothing much will happen to it. If UK did, I imagine it would cause strain on Europe relations, the potential blowback would be huge. Security and trade particularly. Even now EU is still UK’s biggest trading partner. So we might end up losing more than the aid that UK would provide to Ukraine anyway.
The Soviet Union themselves recognised Ukraine as independent. Yes many think it’s because they were falling apart at the time and had little choice. But they didn’t fight it then. Now fighting to take back a democratic country feels wrong. Even before you could argue Ukraine deserved their independence but at least it would be done under one house. It’s it separate entity now. Yes their are Russian people, including Putin who think they never should have given up countries in the Soviet Union particularly Ukraine. But it doesn’t change the fact that the Russian leaders in power at the time allowed it to happen.
Part of me thinks if this Ukraine invasion was truly done as an act of preserving Russia’s security, had USA withdrew from NATO maybe it wouldn’t have been a problem. I’m sure Putin doesn’t really fear attacks from UK, Germany, France etc. It is more the thought of US troops somehow coming into Russia through NATO or working in conjunction with Europe. So USA is the real threat to them. However most likely I think this defense reason has been used as an excuse, I think it’s simply the case that Putin believes Ukraine should belong to Russia and is upset it has been let go by previous Russian leaders. Putin has repeatedly criticised the dissolution of USSR and Yeltsin.
Zelensky now getting to his senses. When the fund tap dries up, all his political theater stopped . All EU nations talk big but now they are like, we have to re-enage Trump ! Words are easier than actions as they say...Zelensky vows to 'make things right' with Trump and negotiate peace
Volodymyr Zelensky said he was ready to work under Donald Trump's "strong leadership" to achieve a lasting peace days after their explosive Oval Office meeting.
The Ukrainian president described the White House showdown as "regrettable" in a lengthy social media post in the wake of the US announcing a pause in military aid to Kyiv.
Zelensky said "it was time to make things right", after Trump had accused him of not being ready to come to the negotiating table.
The Ukrainian leader also outlined the first stages of how the war could be ended.
"We are ready to work fast to end the war, and the first stages could be the release of prisoners and truce in the sky – ban on missiles, long-ranged drones, bombs on energy and other civilian infrastructure – and truce in the sea immediately, if Russia will do the same," he wrote.
"Then we want to move very fast through all next stages and to work with the US to agree a strong final deal."
In his social media post, Zelensky said Friday's meeting "did not go the way it was supposed to be", adding: "It is regrettable that it happened this way," he wrote. "It is time to make things right. We would like future co-operation and communication to be constructive."
He also reiterated that Ukraine was ready to sign a minerals deal with the US, after the failure to do so at the Washington meeting.
Ukraine woke to the news on Tuesday that the US was "pausing and reviewing" its military aid to the country after a breakdown in diplomacy last week.
In his post, Zelensky offered an overt declaration of gratitude for the help the US has so far given to his country.
"We do really value how much America has done to help Ukraine maintain its sovereignty and independence," he wrote.
"And we remember the moment when things changed when President Trump provided Ukraine with Javelins. We are grateful for this," he added, referring to the US anti-tank missile system sold to Ukraine during Trump's first administration.
During Friday's meeting in the Oval Office, Vice-President JD Vance accused Zelensky of being ungrateful for the military support the US had provided.
"Have you said 'thank you' once this entire meeting?" Vance said, before Trump told Zelensky he was not being "very thankful".
Zelensky defended himself in the meeting, and began an interview with Fox News in the hours afterwards, saying: "I'm very thankful to Americans for all your support."
The Oval Office meeting between Zelensky and US officials last week was due to conclude with the two parties signing a deal that would grant the US access to rare earth minerals in Ukraine.
After the clash, which saw Trump accuse Zelensky of "gambling with World War III", the Ukrainian delegation left without signing the deal – Trump told Zelensky "come back when you're ready for peace".
Trump is due to deliver an address to Congress later on Tuesday, during which the Reuters news agency reports he plans to announce a minerals deal between US and Ukraine has been signed.
A number of Ukraine's allies have commented on the latest from the Ukrainian president, including UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer, who welcomed Zelensky's "steadfast commitment to securing peace".
It is "vital that all parties worked towards a lasting and secure peace for Ukraine as soon as possible", a statement from No 10 said.
Likewise, French President Emmanuel Macron praised Zelensky's willingness to "re-engage in dialogue" with Trump, the Elysee Palace said.
Days before his meeting with Zelensky, the US President had met with Macron, who travelled to Washington with a warning to Trump: "You can't be weak in the face of Putin."
While European leaders rallied behind Zelensky following the clash, Nato's secretary general advised the Ukrainian leader to "find a way" to restore his relationship with Trump.
Speaking to the BBC the following day, Mark Rutte said he had told him "we have to respect" what Trump has done for Ukraine so far.
Zelensky's statement falls short of an apology to Trump, which those in the US president's camp had called for.
In Moscow, Vladimir Putin's team earlier welcomed the US's pause to military aid as likely to be the "best" contribution to peace.
"If the US stops, or pauses these supplies, this will probably be the best contribution to the cause of peace," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov told the BBC's Steve Rosenberg.
Trump himself has not commented on the pause to aid, nor Zelensky's response, however he did earlier berate the Ukrainian leader following his meetings with European allies at the weekend.
A Sunday summit - hosted by the UK prime minister - was intended as a show of support for Ukraine.
After the meeting, Zelensky said a deal to end the war between Ukraine and Russia was "still very, very far away".
Trump described this as the "worst statement that could have been made by Zelensky", in a post on his Truth Social platform.
"It is what I was saying, this guy doesn't want there to be peace as long as he has America's backing," the president wrote.
BBC
Why not ?? UK talks big supporting Zelensky's war. So let UK go ahead and fund. US will have no issue whatsoever if UK takes over all the funding to Zelensky. Everyone wants US money with no strings attached, not happening now with TrumpSo UK should be responsible for funding war efforts on behalf of Europe, while getting none of the benefits of being a EU member? This just sounds to me like the worst of both worlds. I really don't see the point. Russian military is badly degraded and they can't afford to upgrade it. They probably want a war less than we do. Our efforts would be better directed at working towards getting back into the EU if we really believe Europe should share common goals.
We’re not doing it because of EU connection which Ukraine is also not part of. We’re doing it for NATO which we are very much a part of. And it also because of NATO France, Germany etc are funding Ukraine. It has nothing to do with EU. If we didn’t want to do this we should pull out of NATO too. If we don’t fill our NATO obligations it looks bad for UK and hampers trade and security with other European countries including EU which we are still very reliant on. EU is more or less an economic union where countries can negotiate trade deals collectively. We don’t do that anymore but it still doesn’t mean that we don’t trade with other European countries and the EU in general.So UK should be responsible for funding war efforts on behalf of Europe, while getting none of the benefits of being a EU member? This just sounds to me like the worst of both worlds. I really don't see the point. Russian military is badly degraded and they can't afford to upgrade it. They probably want a war less than we do. Our efforts would be better directed at working towards getting back into the EU if we really believe Europe should share common goals.