[VIDEOS] Donald Trump blasts Volodymyr Zelensky as 'disrespectful' in public blow-up at White House

[Stewie]

America is Sanatan

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895726747553013803

Sure.

Kidney paisey Huey?

 

[Technics 1210]

Amreekans are so naive.

What we witnessed upfront Infront of the cameras happens behind the scenes all the time!

The fact it took both the President and VP to chime in with the 'disrespectful' lines, tells you all you need to know about how fast Amreeka is imploding.

Love it.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This was absolutely hilarious to watch. Trump and Vance treated Zelensky like a preliminary jobber. Zelensky should have known his place instead of trying play the victim card on live TV and appeal to his gallery.

Don't like Trump but if there's anything that he is 100% right on, its the war in Ukraine. Pentagon has a tough pill to swallow realizing that Trump has no interest in keeping their highly profitable business of war going, nor in needlessly meddling with Russia.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You bring NATO up to Russia's doorstep and then you question why Russia started a war? If Russia revived the Warsaw Pact and included Mexico and Canada in it, how would the US respond?

Democrats and Pentagon thought they could bully Russia and Russia would just accept it. If anything, this war has shown how deeply misguided they were. Despite being fairly weak economically, Russia is still a force in this multipolar world order. It's arrogance to think you can simply teach them a lesson or destroy them. As for Zelensky, he needs to open his eyes and accept the reality. Ukraine does not have the military power to change the status-quo. And if he really thought that he could live on the US's hand-outs for eternity than he must be a deeply delusional individual.

Bring an end to this death and destruction instead of continuing to live in a delusional fantasy where you think that you can change the status-quo.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This was absolutely hilarious to watch. Trump and Vance treated Zelensky like a preliminary jobber. Zelensky should have known his place instead of trying play the victim card on live TV and appeal to his gallery.

Don't like Trump but if there's anything that he is 100% right on, its the war in Ukraine. Pentagon has a tough pill to swallow realizing that Trump has no interest in keeping their highly profitable business of war going, nor in needlessly meddling with Russia.

The US has invested 4/5 times more than Trump thinks , Victoria newland and others started this war in 2014 as they know Putin is once in a century great leader who is the only threat to western imperialism.and also to the deep state and Zionist agenda .

Trump will do a few deals in exchange for further funding and you may see western troops in Ukraine unless Russia decides to take Kiev.

Anyone who thinks there will be some magical peace out of this , even if trump claims it is a cartoon network fan

 

[FearlessRoar]

Zelenskyy says row with Trump in White House 'not good for both sides' - as he refuses to apologise​

The Ukrainian president has refused to apologise for the fiery Oval Office spat with Donald Trump that saw him leave the White House early.

Volodymyr Zelenskyy travelled to Washington DC as he was due to clinch a deal on minerals with the US on Friday.

But the final ten minutes of a meeting in front of the world's media saw tensions rise and a shouting match unfold.

Mr Trump and Mr Zelenskyy had been due to have lunch with their delegations in the White House's cabinet room after the meeting - but untouched salad plates and other items were seen being packed up as the meal was hastily called off and Mr Zelenskyy left the White House.

Mr Trump later said that he had "determined that President Zelenskyy is not ready for peace if America is involved, because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations".

In a later interview with Fox News, Mr Zelenskyy admitted his public spat with the president and Vice President JD Vance was "not good for both sides".

He was asked by the interviewer whether he owed an apology to Mr Trump and Mr Vance, bit sidestepped the question.

"I'm very thankful for all your support.. I was always very thankful to your people," Mr Zelenskyy said.

When pressed, he said: "I'm not sure that we did something bad".

The interview was supposed to be a victory lap on MAGA's favourite TV channel, but the interview turned into disaster management for Mr Zelenskyy.

In an interview, he portrayed the meeting as a moment of frank and divergent views between the two but said he did not see the need to apologise.

He added he wished that Mr Trump was "more on our side" after the US president said he was in the middle of Ukraine and Russia.

"I want, really, him to be more on our side," Mr Zelenskyy said. "It's not just that the war began somewhere between our countries. The war began when Russia brought this war to our country. And they're not right."

Ukraine's future 'difficult' without US support

Mr Zelenskyy also expressed a belief that the relationship could be salvaged.

He said, however, that his American counterpart needed to understand that Ukraine could not change its attitude on Russia, and would not enter peace talks without security guarantees.

"Everybody (is) afraid Putin will come back tomorrow," Mr Zelenskyy said. "We want just and lasting peace."

He acknowledged that without US support, his country's position would grow "difficult."

After repeatedly declining opportunities to apologise, Mr Zelenskyy closed his Fox appearance by saying: "We are thankful and sorry for this. I mean this, we wanted very much to have strong relations."

'A big shot'

Mr Trump said talks with Mr Zelenskyy "did not work out great from his standpoint" and mockingly called him a "big shot".

The US leader also said the US was not looking for a "10-year war".

"He wants to come back right now," Trump said, adding "I can't do that".

Speaking to Fox News, Mr Zelenskyy denied he had asked to come back to the White House.

In a statement posted on Telegram on Saturday morning, Mr Zelenskyy has said it is "very important" that Ukraine is "heard and not forgotten" following his meeting with Donald Trump.

"People in Ukraine need to know that they are not alone, that their interests are represented in every country, in every corner of the world."

Zelenskyy says row with Trump in White House 'not good for both sides' - as he refuses to apologise

Volodymyr Zelenskyy had travelled to Washington DC to meet Donald Trump as the pair were due to sign a deal on Ukrainian minerals - but the meeting ended in a fiery clash in the Oval Office.

news.sky.com

 

[globetrotter]

Trump blasts Zelenskyy as 'disrespectful' in public blow-up at White House​

"You're gambling with World War III," Trump told Ukraine's president. He added, "You've got to be more thankful," and said, "You don't have the cards."

There has been a contentious meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the White House. The discussion turned into a heated argument, with Trump telling Zelensky to "make a deal or we're out" during a tense exchange in the Oval Office. The meeting was part of efforts to finalize a deal involving Ukraine's rare-earth minerals and security assurances against Russian aggression

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895533422388670629

If you elect comedian as President, then this is evitable….. this war is a mistake committed by zelensky who underestimates Russias power and blindly believed in NATO nations.

though Zelensky could have asked Trume” whether you (US) won Vietnam war”?

 

[Itachi]

If you elect comedian as President, then this is evitable….. this war is a mistake committed by zelensky who underestimates Russias power and blindly believed in NATO nations.

though Zelensky could have asked Trume” whether you (US) won Vietnam war”?

He wanted to be friends with the popular group ➤ The group, seeing the benefits, told ok, "we might consider if you do this.... that" ➤ The old fraternity doesn't want to break away the ring fence policy so instead of keeping the buffer state, they decided to make it of their own ➤ Realising the cost, the cons outweighs the benefits of the popular group ➤ The popular group starts to ignore....

Who's at fault?

 

[globetrotter]

Donald trump shown mirror to Zelensky, what you are and what’s ur Power.

Zelensky clearly provoked Russia in this war, he unnecessarily challenged Powerful Russia on so-called backing of NATO nations.

Similarly in Israel-Palestine war, Hamas proved Israel by capturing Israelis, girls and kids. If they couldn’t done them hostage, then Israel-Palestine war would have avoided

 

[Itachi]

Has anybody actually watched the video?

Timeline:
======

1. Zelinsky wasn't disrespected towards Trump but he was very disrespectful towards JD from 39:00 minutes of the interview and took a very aggressive stance.

2. JD was very diplomatic (the one you want to see in an negotiation) and put forward what difference they will do this time.

3. Zelinsky sarcastically smiled and while putting the blame on France, Germany and to certain extent, in the part of US for the period between 2014-2022.

4. JD stated that those talks should have occured in a diplomatic meeting rather than in front of media (along the lines).

5. Zelinsky went far, while aggressively questioning JD and stated that US doesn't feel because US is surrounded by Ocean. But one day, US will feel the heat. (This is the part where everything went wrong and Trump became irritated because now you are kind of confronting the country that is helping you.)

6. Zelinsky also stated that JD was aggressive and Trump intervened saying JD wasn't. (The words of JD was nothing but diplomatic. That man surely knows how to represent. I am impressed with him).

7. The media questioned why Trump is aligned with Putin. Trump said that, he isn't aligned with anyone except American people. He can say hard words against Putin but what benefits will it make? It will just make the negotiation harder while on the other hand, Zelinsky doesn't agree to ceasefire while his man is dying in the front along with the burden of cost that US is sharing.

8. Zelinsky again shifted the blame towards US for not doing enough (by Trump). Against this, Trump stated that, while other presidents were doing lip service, he (Trump) was the one who gave Zelinsky the crucial resouces which others didn't And Zelinsky should be thankful for this and should opt for cease fire to save ukraine from further destruction.

If one watches the video carefully, one will realise that, Trump intervened only in the last moment when Zelinsky was shutting off JD. JD was very frustrated with the aggressive stance from Zelinsky which you can see in his face yet he remained composed. When the ".... in future, US will feel it" [refer to point #5], only then Trump started to shut Zelinsky off from his rant.

One will manipulate the agenda as one likes but in the actual video, it was clearly transparent what was going on.

 

[Technics 1210]

Where are all the tree-huggers who were backing Zelensky the comedian, and Biden as his side kick?

Putin has won and you lefties don't even know it.

 

[Markhor]

US shouldn't have been involved in this at all ftom the beginning just like Iraq war and Afg war. Trump was against them as well. Biden and his Dems funded the Ukrainian war. Now Trump is in charge and he's doing it his way. And what do you mean fighting themselves?? No blame here. Trump says stop the war or else no funds- dont waste US taxpayers money on stupid wars. Simple. Zelensky can go do whatever he wants. Nobody in the US cares for these stupid wars. Bush started Iraq and Afghanistan war. And now Biden started Ukraine war. Wars which should never have been even started - and that's what Trump has been saying and now doing it as well.

Does this same principle extend to America's funding of Israel who spent 15 months levelling Gaza to the ground ? Even Israeli military and intelligence officials questioned the need to prolong the war as Netanyahu did - but it was a campaign you've tirelessly defended on here.

A campaign that Trump has given Israel carte blanche to resume if it sees fit ?

 

[Markhor]

The situation is the same in Israel and Palestine IMO. The Clinton parameters where 95% of West Bank would be given and all of Gaza. Yes it should have been the entire amount and Israel shouldn’t have lumped the other stipulations on top. The idea of 95% looks better than it actually is. But they should have taken it. Palestine will never get a deal as good as that ever again, and what is worse Israel continually uses this as proof to their people that Palestine want nothing but the complete ousting of Israel, thus their government can continue their takeover of West Bank settlements. There won’t even be that 95% left to negotiate in decades to come. Several generations of Palestinians have had their lives ruined. It’s easy to say in hindsight. And it isn’t fair to Palestine at all. But that’s the problem, clinging to an ideal and then receiving nothing.

That "deal" was proposed by a Prime Minister who already lost his majority in Israel's Knesset, and a US President on his way out.

Same with the Olmert plan. He already announced his resignation after corruption charges. Both Israeli PMs were replaced by hardline right wingers with zero interest in creating a Palestinian state.

The reality is always more nuanced than these simple narratives. Yes the Palestinians with the benefit of hindsight should've accepted the various British proposals or the UN partition plan, and their leaderships were/are inept, but it's easy to say these things now knowing what was to follow.

 

[deltexas]

Zelensky was asked to continue the war by EU,UK and US. Now they have realised they can't win they are discarding Ukranians like a used tissue.

So called big man Trump isn't able to get any concessions from Putin to end the war so is taking it out on the former comedian.

How about the EU, UK ?? Why only the US has to shoulder? Yes, Ukraine got billions till now, it is not a never ending funding source. The tap has to stop sometime. Taking it out ?? Well, nobody asked Zelensky to come to the US and ask for more aid. He can go somewhere else or figure it out on his own. If he wants US aid and grants - it will come with terms and conditions.

 

[deltexas]

They already do. Do you know what Trump and right right wing Hindus have in common?

What is this thread about ?? You can go discuss other unrelated stuff in other relevant threads.

 

[deltexas]

Btw, JD Vance is someone who believes in “Normalizing Indian hate”.

And where did he do that ? A figment of your imagination ?? Again where did he say or believe that. And you say it as a matter of fact without any truth..

 

[deltexas]

Pretty much this. Trump boasted hed stop the war in 24hrs , Putin and Russia laughed in his face, now hes humiliated so is attacking their stooge to look strong . It's a shame there isnt 8 years of Trump , America will be done as the only superpower leading to a safer world

Wishful thinking. If Trump was there, the war would not even have started. And the US will be done as superpower ?? Well, gotta get to know the facts first. Superpower doesnt just mean having nuclear bombs or weapons. Superpower means what you see right now by the US - economic, financial, democratic . And yes, former US presidents have been war mongers like Bush and includes Obama and Biden. Thats why Trump is so different - upending the whole US foreign policy - turning it 360 on its head.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Wishful thinking. If Trump was there, the war would not even have started. And the US will be done as superpower ?? Well, gotta get to know the facts first. Superpower doesnt just mean having nuclear bombs or weapons. Superpower means what you see right now by the US - economic, financial, democratic . And yes, former US presidents have been war mongers like Bush and includes Obama and Biden. Thats why Trump is so different - upending the whole US foreign policy - turning it 360 on its head.

Read properly , the war started in 2014 , trump was was busy with x rated film stars , he took office later, unless he had a time machine he couldn't have prevented it .

Trump stated he would end this in 24 hrs , which dodgy sundial are you using? Why hasn't he ?

 

[deltexas]

The only winner in all of this is Putin.

Genius masterstroke.

Amreeka is finished anyway - Trump is just salvaging all that is left of Amreekan hard power.

Loving every second of this!

Genius ?? The guy Putin is an idiot. He has set Russia back 2-3 decades. And forget about Russia being any power now. They are more dependent on China now. If anything, China is the real threat for the foreseeable future for the US. And US is finished ?? LOL okay. Folks can dream of fantasies - cant stop them from dreaming. And US hard power is on full display mode now , not the other way.

 

[deltexas]

Have some shame EU, these hollow words mean nothing. Talk to Putin, negotiate a peace deal that protects Ukraine’s interests.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1895565933265260843

Thats all the EU UK will do. Moral useless support with some tweets , facebook posts and some photo ops. When it comes for actual concrete support in the form of aid and weapons, nothing zilch.

 

[deltexas]

Amreekans are so naive.

What we witnessed upfront Infront of the cameras happens behind the scenes all the time!

The fact it took both the President and VP to chime in with the 'disrespectful' lines, tells you all you need to know about how fast Amreeka is imploding.

Love it.

Naive , yes. The reality is the other leaders get talked down even worse behind closed doors by US leaders. And US is imploding LOL ?? Remember , Rumsfeld saying the US is gonna bomb Pak to the stone age if it doesnt cooperate on the war on terror ! And that was a public statement - so just imagine what the words would have been behind closed doors especially by foul mouthed Cheney and Rumsfeld and co. Good thing there were not recorded.
Love it.

 

[deltexas]

You bring NATO up to Russia's doorstep and then you question why Russia started a war? If Russia revived the Warsaw Pact and included Mexico and Canada in it, how would the US respond?

Democrats and Pentagon thought they could bully Russia and Russia would just accept it. If anything, this war has shown how deeply misguided they were. Despite being fairly weak economically, Russia is still a force in this multipolar world order. It's arrogance to think you can simply teach them a lesson or destroy them. As for Zelensky, he needs to open his eyes and accept the reality. Ukraine does not have the military power to change the status-quo. And if he really thought that he could live on the US's hand-outs for eternity than he must be a deeply delusional individual.

Bring an end to this death and destruction instead of continuing to live in a delusional fantasy where you think that you can change the status-quo.

This.. Putin didnt want NATO next door and that was the whole crux. Ukraine wanted to join NATO egged on by EU UK and moral useless supporters. If Ukraine didnt insist on joining Nato, things would have been resolved more amicably. But no , we had a bomabastic demented US prez Biden going full on crazy with war , war war like Bush and Obama and now we are here..

 

[Itachi]

Thats all the EU UK will do. Moral useless support with some tweets , facebook posts and some photo ops. When it comes for actual concrete support in the form of aid and weapons, nothing zilch.

Zelinsky did publicly tell exact about France and Germany.

But, as I was digging, there was also 2022 Biden incident where Biden was frustrated with the increasing demands of Zelinsky. Trump just made it public.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There is no version of this in which you can defend the disgraceful manner in which the Trump administration treated Zelensky yesterday and turned a diplomatic meeting into an ugly theatrical display of political dominance. You are asking a war time leader who’s fighting for his country’s survival that why didn’t he turn up wearing a Suit? This is your statesmanship? This is supposed to be to greatest country in the world? This is the honour you bestow to leaders of sovereign states in your Oval House by condescending, belittling and lecturing them as if they were your subordinates and yet you’re gonna accuse them of being disrespectful?

Diplomatic meetings even between adversaries are meant to be conducted with a level of respect. It’s not the first and not the last tense meeting between world leaders but this will go down as a moment of utter disgrace for USA.

If this doesn’t open the eyes of every major nation in the world ally or adversary to the US, nothing will. Please stop depending on other nations. Do not ruin relations with your next door neighbour at the behest of other powers. You can change your allies but you cannot change your neighbours. You have to live with them forever. So build good relationships, avoid wars, avoid yourself to be used by other powers like this. Do not sell your country. There are no allies , it’s all about vested interests.

This incident marks the end of Western unity. The house has fallen apart.

 

[deltexas]

Has anybody actually watched the video?

Timeline:
======

1. Zelinsky wasn't disrespected towards Trump but he was very disrespectful towards JD from 39:00 minutes of the interview and took a very aggressive stance.

2. JD was very diplomatic (the one you want to see in an negotiation) and put forward what difference they will do this time.

3. Zelinsky sarcastically smiled and while putting the blame on France, Germany and to certain extent, in the part of US for the period between 2014-2022.

4. JD stated that those talks should have occured in a diplomatic meeting rather than in front of media (along the lines).

5. Zelinsky went far, while aggressively questioning JD and stated that US doesn't feel because US is surrounded by Ocean. But one day, US will feel the heat. (This is the part where everything went wrong and Trump became irritated because now you are kind of confronting the country that is helping you.)

6. Zelinsky also stated that JD was aggressive and Trump intervened saying JD wasn't. (The words of JD was nothing but diplomatic. That man surely knows how to represent. I am impressed with him).

7. The media questioned why Trump is aligned with Putin. Trump said that, he isn't aligned with anyone except American people. He can say hard words against Putin but what benefits will it make? It will just make the negotiation harder while on the other hand, Zelinsky doesn't agree to ceasefire while his man is dying in the front along with the burden of cost that US is sharing.

8. Zelinsky again shifted the blame towards US for not doing enough (by Trump). Against this, Trump stated that, while other presidents were doing lip service, he (Trump) was the one who gave Zelinsky the crucial resouces which others didn't And Zelinsky should be thankful for this and should opt for cease fire to save ukraine from further destruction.

If one watches the video carefully, one will realise that, Trump intervened only in the last moment when Zelinsky was shutting off JD. JD was very frustrated with the aggressive stance from Zelinsky which you can see in his face yet he remained composed. When the ".... in future, US will feel it" [refer to point #5], only then Trump started to shut Zelinsky off from his rant.

One will manipulate the agenda as one likes but in the actual video, it was clearly transparent what was going on.

Yes, exactly. Folks dont watch the whole thing , just a 2 min clip and jump to conclusions. Zelensky was no saint here. He was in an aggressive war mode here, never looked like he wanted a peaceful resolution. You cant threaten a country that you are asking help from and has helped you till now especially when you have nothing. Thanks for the detailed explanation for folks here to read what exactly happened

 

[deltexas]

Does this same principle extend to America's funding of Israel who spent 15 months levelling Gaza to the ground ? Even Israeli military and intelligence officials questioned the need to prolong the war as Netanyahu did - but it was a campaign you've tirelessly defended on here.

A campaign that Trump has given Israel carte blanche to resume if it sees fit ?

This is the Ukraine Zelensky thread. Why the need to insert Gaza into every thread ? Go discuss it in the Gaza thread and I can respond there . No need to derail this thread.

 

[deltexas]

Read properly , the war started in 2014 , trump was was busy with x rated film stars , he took office later, unless he had a time machine he couldn't have prevented it .

Trump stated he would end this in 24 hrs , which dodgy sundial are you using? Why hasn't he ?

Not Trumps fault that it started in 2014. And who cares what he was busy with ? You would have done the same if you had the resources and riches, so lets not kid anyone here. Thats between him and Melania, why the heck should I or anyone care ?

24 hrs - do you think its possible logistically ? Its a figure of speech , he wanted to end it ASAP and thats hat he has been doing. More traction in 3 weeks than in 3 years now. And it will end very soon, because if the tap doesnt flow, there are no drinks to serve. Lets see how long the EU will fund Ukraine if and when the US stops the Ukraine fund tap

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Genius ?? The guy Putin is an idiot. He has set Russia back 2-3 decades. And forget about Russia being any power now. They are more dependent on China now. If anything, China is the real threat for the foreseeable future for the US. And US is finished ?? LOL okay. Folks can dream of fantasies - cant stop them from dreaming. And US hard power is on full display mode now , not the other way.

This reminds me of someone else who is also dragging his country back gradually by 7–8 decades. Coincidentally, someone you happen to worship.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Zelensky wants US to 'stand more firmly' on Ukraine's side​

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has said he wants the US to "stand more firmly on our side" after his fiery White House exchange with US President Donald Trump.

After arriving in the UK to take part in a European leaders' summit, Zelensky urged the US to continue its support for Ukraine despite "the tough dialogue" between the two sides.

Zelensky, Trump and US Vice-President JD Vance interrupted each other during Friday's clash in the Oval Office. Trump told Zelensky to make a deal with Russia "or we are out" and Vance accused him of being ungrateful.

European leaders rallied behind Zelensky, but Nato's secretary general said he must "find a way" to restore his relationship with Trump.

As he landed in the UK, Zelensky published a thread of 14 posts on X in which he reiterated calls for US security guarantees to form part of any "just and lasting" peace deal to end the war with Russia.

He noted that Trump wanted to end the war, which began with Russia's full-scale invasion of Ukraine on 24 February 2022, but added that no-one wanted peace more than Ukraine.

The ill-fated White House meeting was intended to precede the signing of a deal to give the US access to Ukraine's deposits of rare earth minerals. Instead, Zelensky was told to leave early before it could be signed.

Trump later told reporters that Ukraine's president "overplayed his hand" in the exchange and that he would need "to say 'I want to make peace'" to restart talks with the US.

On Saturday, Zelensky said Ukraine was ready to sign the minerals agreement as "the first step toward security guarantees" from the US - a line he has maintained for days, but which Trump has refused to agree to.

"But it's not enough, and we need more than just that," he added. "A ceasefire without security guarantees is dangerous for Ukraine."

He added: "All Ukrainians want to hear a strong US position on our side. It's understandable the US might look for dialogue with [Russian President Vladimir] Putin.

"But the US has always spoken about 'peace through strength.' And together we can take strong steps against Putin."

In Russia, the Kremlin's foreign ministry spokeswoman called Zelensky's visit to Washington a "complete diplomatic failure of Kyiv".

Maria Zakharova said the Ukrainian president is "obsessed" with prolonging the war, and repeated Russia's insistence to annex all territories currently occupied by Russia.

Ahead of the London summit, where European leaders will further discuss efforts to secure a peace deal, Zelensky will meet with UK Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer - who "retains unwavering support for Ukraine".

Senior political figures from across Europe have also rallied behind Ukraine after Friday's extraordinary scenes in the US.

The leaders of Germany, France, Spain, Poland and the Netherlands were among those who posted social media messages backing Ukraine - with Zelensky responding directly to each one to thank them for their support.

French President Emmanuel Macron posted: "There is an aggressor: Russia. There is a victim: Ukraine. We were right to help Ukraine and sanction Russia three years ago - and to keep doing so."

Germany's outgoing Chancellor Olaf Scholz wrote that "no-one wants peace more than the citizens of Ukraine", with his replacement-in-waiting Friedrich Merz adding that "we stand with Ukraine" and "we must never confuse aggressor and victim in this terrible war".

Speaking to the BBC on Saturday, Nato chief Mark Rutte said he had spoken to Zelensky twice following the White House meeting, and told him "we have to respect" what Trump has done for Ukraine so far.

He referenced the first Trump administration's approval for the sale of Javelin anti-tank missile systems allowed Ukraine to "fight back".

Putin launched the war two years after Trump had left office.

Russia has been making slow gains on the battlefield for months.

In the north-eastern Ukrainian city of Kharkiv, officials said that 12 people, including two children, were injured in a "massive" overnight drone strike, a short while after Zelensky left the White House.

The casualties included four female patients at a hospital in the city centre. Residential buildings, pharmacies, cafes and shops were also been damaged, the Ukrainian prosecution service said.

Friday's conversation soured after the US Vice-President JD Vance - who was sitting alongside other politicians in the room - told Zelensky that the war had to be ended through diplomacy.

Zelensky responded by asking "what kind of diplomacy?", referencing a previous ceasefire deal in 2019, agreed three years before Russia's full-scale invasion when Moscow was supporting and arming separatist fighters in Ukraine's east.

The vice-president then accused Zelensky of being disrespectful and "litigating" the situation in front of the media.

Zelensky wants US to 'stand more firmly' on Ukraine's side

US support is crucial, Zelensky says hours after the bust-up with Trump at the White House.

www.bbc.com

 

[Itachi]

Friday's conversation soured after the US Vice-President JD Vance - who was sitting alongside other politicians in the room - told Zelensky that the war had to be ended through diplomacy.

Zelensky responded by asking "what kind of diplomacy?", referencing a previous ceasefire deal in 2019, agreed three years before Russia's full-scale invasion when Moscow was supporting and arming separatist fighters in Ukraine's east.

The vice-president then accused Zelensky of being disrespectful and "litigating" the situation in front of the media.

BBC changed the timeline to blame JD Vance.

If anyone watches the actual discussion, one will see how BBC changed the flow of interaction.

 

[deltexas]

This reminds me of someone else who is also dragging his country back gradually by 7–8 decades. Coincidentally, someone you happen to worship.

Is that the topic of this discussion ? Why do you derail every thread with your nonsensical unrelated posts ? And by the way , I know they set Ind back 7-8 decades but I don't worship Nehru or pappu gandhis family

 

[pakistani pride]

Ukraine entered into an agreement with the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia to secure guarantees for its borders in exchange for relinquishing its nuclear arsenal. Trump has claimed he bears no responsibility for Russia’s actions during the tenures of previous presidents, but this stance is inaccurate since Ukraine’s agreement was with the U.S. as a nation, not specifically with the president in office at the time.Now Trump again wants Ukraine to give away its territory without making any security deals and only believing in Trump. Is it really JUSTICE?

You need to do some research...

 

[deltexas]

Reality setting in now, better late than ever.

CNN: Zelensky appears conciliatory after extraordinary public argument. Zelensky says Trump’s backing is ‘crucial’ after US president berated him at White House

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Ukraine’s President Volodymyr Zelensky says US support is “crucial” a day after cutting short a visit to Washington DC following an extraordinary public argument with Donald Trump.

A meeting intended to discuss a natural resources deal imploded, with Trump and Vice President JD Vance berating the Ukrainian leader in front of reporters in the Oval Office. At one point, when Zelensky tried to respond, an angry Trump accused him of “gambling with World War III.”

A Europe already rattled by Trump’s overtures to Russia’s President Vladimir Putin quickly rallied around Zelensky, with the European Union’s top diplomat, Kaja Kallas, saying in a statement that it’s “clear that the free world needs a new leader.”

On Saturday, Zelensky appeared conciliatory when he posted on social media after arriving in London to meet UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer.

“It’s crucial for us to have President Trump’s support,” Zelensky said in a series of posts on X on Saturday morning. “He wants to end the war, but no one wants peace more than we do.”

Zelensky invades Trump’s ‘disinformation space’ — and it could really hurt Ukraine

Zelensky emphasized his gratitude for the US’ backing of Ukraine in the three years since Russia invaded his country.

In Friday’s fiery exchange, Vance questioned whether the Ukrainian leader had been thankful enough for US support.

“We are very grateful to the United States for all the support. I’m thankful to President Trump, Congress for their bipartisan support, and American people. Ukrainians have always appreciated this support, especially during these three years of full-scale invasion,” Zelensky reiterated in his posts on social media.

The Ukrainian leader stressed that, despite Friday’s clash, Ukraine and the US “remain strategic partners. But we need to be honest and direct with each other to truly understand our shared goals.”

He said that Ukraine is ready to sign the minerals agreement that he had traveled to the US to hammer out, but noted that “it’s not enough,” highlighting the absence of the security guarantees he’s been seeking.

“We need more than just that. A ceasefire without security guarantees is dangerous for Ukraine. We’ve been fighting for three years, and Ukrainian people need to know that America is on our side,” Zelensky said.

Zelensky is due to meet Starmer at the British leader’s official residence later Saturday, ahead of a broader meeting with a host of European leaders at a summit on Sunday.

The summit was announced amid growing concern that the Trump administration’s push to work with Russia could exclude Ukraine from deciding its own fate.

Just last week, Trump wrongly accused Ukraine of starting the war with Russia and called Zelensky a “dictator.” The week before, he said that Ukraine “may be Russian someday” when discussing what has now become the minerals agreement.

Russian officials reacted with glee to Friday’s fractious meeting. Dmitry Medvedev, the former Russian president, said Zelensky had “finally got a proper slap down in the Oval Office.”

Meanwhile, a flurry of Western countries took to X to show their staunch support for Kyiv.

A joint statement by the leaders of the European Union, said that Zelensky’s “dignity honors the bravery of the Ukrainian people.”

NATO chief Mark Rutte called the fractious Zelensky-Trump meeting “very unfortunate.” In an interview with BBC News, Rutte added that “it is important that President Zelensky finds a way to restore his relationship with the American president and with the senior American leadership team.”

https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/01/europe/zelensky-trump-support-ukraine-intl/index.html

 

[deltexas]

And now , CNN has an article criticizing Zelensky and Ukraine. CNN doing it is something else. Wow.

CNN Article : Zelensky bristled at his berating by Trump and Vance. After three years of war, what did they expect?

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/28/europe/analysis-trump-zelensky-split-intl-latam/index.html

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not Trumps fault that it started in 2014. And who cares what he was busy with ? You would have done the same if you had the resources and riches, so lets not kid anyone here. Thats between him and Melania, why the heck should I or anyone care ?

24 hrs - do you think its possible logistically ? Its a figure of speech , he wanted to end it ASAP and thats hat he has been doing. More traction in 3 weeks than in 3 years now. And it will end very soon, because if the tap doesnt flow, there are no drinks to serve. Lets see how long the EU will fund Ukraine if and when the US stops the Ukraine fund tap

A figure of speech is a common phrase not a timeline , he reiterated it many in pre election.

Nothing on the ground has changed at all , the war continues, American money is still going out .

When is soon? Please give a more clear timeline . A week , two , a month?

 

[Bewal Express]

Trump is an absolute buffoon. No decorum, no respect and dangerous.

 

[Itachi]

Trump is an absolute buffoon. No decorum, no respect and dangerous.

In this case, Zelinsky is more dangerous. Believe it or not, in that meeting trump & JD were the sane voices.

 

[rickroll]

I hate Trump because he is anti-muslim, I think I have made that clear in many threads in this forum.

The above being said, I could not help but look at the stupidity and hypocrisy of EU and feel it is about time we start doling out US tax payer money.

1. Most EU does not have military budget in their GDP since US is spending money to set up bases there
2. EU uses all that extra money for their social benefits (free healthcare, free education etc).
3. Essentially US tax payer money is funding at least some of EU social benefits.

Why should we Americans subsidize the EU social benefits this way through our tax payer money? If they want protection then let them spend their own money for their own military?

The Indian foreign minister was spot on in calling out EU hypocrisy and BS. I really wish Pakistan has a foreign minister as eloquent and educated as this guy instead of the buffoons in power there.

 

[HalBass9]

I hate Trump because he is anti-muslim, I think I have made that clear in many threads in this forum.

The above being said, I could not help but look at the stupidity and hypocrisy of EU and feel it is about time we start doling out US tax payer money.

1. Most EU does not have military budget in their GDP since US is spending money to set up bases there
2. EU uses all that extra money for their social benefits (free healthcare, free education etc).
3. Essentially US tax payer money is funding at least some of EU social benefits.

Why should we Americans subsidize the EU social benefits this way through our tax payer money? If they want protection then let them spend their own money for their own military?

The Indian foreign minister was spot on in calling out EU hypocrisy and BS. I really wish Pakistan has a foreign minister as eloquent and educated as this guy instead of the buffoons in power there.

It’s simple, the US seeks to maintain its global dominance through the USD reserve currency. Take a moment to grasp what that truly means.

 

[rickroll]

It’s simple, the US seeks to maintain its global dominance through the USD reserve currency. Take a moment to grasp what that truly means.

Agreed that this is a factor too.

But does asking EU to take on the burden of defending themselves mean US would lose the reserve currency status as a result? This is one of very many factors going into US being the reserve currency, right?

 

[Bewal Express]

In this case, Zelinsky is more dangerous. Believe it or not, in that meeting trump & JD were the sane voices.

I don't agree. I think wants to recreate the Soviet Union. Trump, Putin and pretty every leader in the World is desperate to hurt people that are weak.

 

[HalBass9]

Agreed that this is a factor too.

But does asking EU to take on the burden of defending themselves mean US would lose the reserve currency status as a result? This is one of very many factors going into US being the reserve currency, right?

Agreed that this is a factor too.

But does asking EU to take on the burden of defending themselves mean US would lose the reserve currency status as a result? This is one of very many factors going into US being the reserve currency, right?

The EU doesn’t need defending, and Russia wasn’t expanding, it was protecting its borders while the US worked to maintain its global hegemony by bringing American weapons to Russia’s doorstep. I’m sure you’re already aware of these facts. This was all about preserving US dominance, which wouldn’t have been possible without the support of the European Union. Hegemony isn’t just about military power, in a capitalist world, it also depends on currency.

What happened at the White House made for great theatrics, Trump and his supporters may have enjoyed it, but it ultimately weakened the US. The EU may not openly admit it, but the foundation was laid for them to reduce their dependence or let’s say the continue support for US dominance, which in turn will weakens the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

Rather than fighting Russia, the EU will choose an alliance. EU weren’t defending themselves, they were fighting to uphold US hegemony.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

How about the EU, UK ?? Why only the US has to shoulder? Yes, Ukraine got billions till now, it is not a never ending funding source. The tap has to stop sometime. Taking it out ?? Well, nobody asked Zelensky to come to the US and ask for more aid. He can go somewhere else or figure it out on his own. If he wants US aid and grants - it will come with terms and conditions.

The US instigated it and now has crapped the bed. That's how the whole world perceives it.

 

[deltexas]

The US instigated it and now has crapped the bed. That's how the whole world perceives it.

The US instigated ?? Says who ? Say thats how the world perceives it : Now the US is saying no more funds and stop the war or deal with it.

 

[deltexas]

It’s simple, the US seeks to maintain its global dominance through the USD reserve currency. Take a moment to grasp what that truly means.

What does it mean ?? Nothing. The world trade has been happening in USD, is still happening and will continue to happen in USD because it is the most stable currency. Thats the reality and what it truly means.

 

[rickroll]

The EU doesn’t need defending, and Russia wasn’t expanding, it was protecting its borders while the US worked to maintain its global hegemony by bringing American weapons to Russia’s doorstep. I’m sure you’re already aware of these facts. This was all about preserving US dominance, which wouldn’t have been possible without the support of the European Union. Hegemony isn’t just about military power, in a capitalist world, it also depends on currency.

What happened at the White House made for great theatrics, Trump and his supporters may have enjoyed it, but it ultimately weakened the US. The EU may not openly admit it, but the foundation was laid for them to reduce their dependence or let’s say the continue support for US dominance, which in turn will weakens the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

Rather than fighting Russia, the EU will choose an alliance. EU weren’t defending themselves, they were fighting to uphold US hegemony.

I'm pretty sure EU countries also had a say in this decision and did not simply bow down to US bringing weapons and bases to their country with their hands tied behind. They also felt threatened by Russia for whatever historical reasons (whether Russian threat was real or imaginary is a different point).

Since 2014 though EU does have conflict with Russia and should have stepped up their game. But it was still more of US tax payer money going in?

 

[rickroll]

For the record - this was not some recent gripe in the US created only by Trumpers. This has been a complaint and an issue from a set of policy makers and economists since mid 2000s about how our tax payer money is going into EU so that EU countries can benefit from that and create amazing social benefits for their citizens - at the expense of US tax payer money. These voices were not as loud but their points were still genuine. Trump being Trump used this as a tool to further his own agenda. But the original complaints still stand IMO.

 

[deltexas]

I hate Trump because he is anti-muslim, I think I have made that clear in many threads in this forum.

The above being said, I could not help but look at the stupidity and hypocrisy of EU and feel it is about time we start doling out US tax payer money.

1. Most EU does not have military budget in their GDP since US is spending money to set up bases there
2. EU uses all that extra money for their social benefits (free healthcare, free education etc).
3. Essentially US tax payer money is funding at least some of EU social benefits.

Why should we Americans subsidize the EU social benefits this way through our tax payer money? If they want protection then let them spend their own money for their own military?

The Indian foreign minister was spot on in calling out EU hypocrisy and BS. I really wish Pakistan has a foreign minister as eloquent and educated as this guy instead of the buffoons in power there.

That is the crux of the issue. A lot of nations EU UK etc etc talk , tweet , give speeches and thats it. When push comes to shove - to contribute actual dollars and funds to Ukraine - they are stone dead. US taxpayers funds are for US residents not for foreign wars that cost trillions and take a huge toll.

 

[rickroll]

The EU doesn’t need defending, and Russia wasn’t expanding, it was protecting its borders while the US worked to maintain its global hegemony by bringing American weapons to Russia’s doorstep. I’m sure you’re already aware of these facts. This was all about preserving US dominance, which wouldn’t have been possible without the support of the European Union. Hegemony isn’t just about military power, in a capitalist world, it also depends on currency.

What happened at the White House made for great theatrics, Trump and his supporters may have enjoyed it, but it ultimately weakened the US. The EU may not openly admit it, but the foundation was laid for them to reduce their dependence or let’s say the continue support for US dominance, which in turn will weakens the dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

Rather than fighting Russia, the EU will choose an alliance. EU weren’t defending themselves, they were fighting to uphold US hegemony.

This is a good point and a possibility. If EU can bury the hatchet and cool the embers burning since WW2 then more power to them. I can see at least the big guys like Germany/France doing side deals with Russia since they cannot bank on the US.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I'm pretty sure EU countries also had a say in this decision and did not simply bow down to US bringing weapons and bases to their country with their hands tied behind. They also felt threatened by Russia for whatever historical reasons (whether Russian threat was real or imaginary is a different point).

Since 2014 though EU does have conflict with Russia and should have stepped up their game. But it was still more of US tax payer money going in?

Russia has not felt like a threat to Europe for decades. If anything, it has felt like NATO has been threatening Russia's borders and instigating wars to this effect. Russia holding onto Ukraine felt more like a preservation move than expansion.

 

[rickroll]

Russia has not felt like a threat to Europe for decades. If anything, it has felt like NATO has been threatening Russia's borders and instigating wars to this effect. Russia holding onto Ukraine felt more like a preservation move than expansion.

Not true definitely since 2014. Especially now - the case in point is all the EU governments scampering for stepping up their defense deals, military infrastructure, defense spending etc now that the US gravy train is slowing down. We can literally find 100s of reputable news articles these days for this.

Are the EU countries listed below sending aid to Ukraine as Christmas gifts if not for perceived Russian threats?

To clarify - I am NOT saying if the perception of Russian threat by EU is genuine or not. I am only saying that EU's perception of Russian threat exists.



Link for above image -- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-62002218

UK offering to send troops to Ukraine (why offer troops if UK thinks Russian threat is not real?) - https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...raine-support-russia-peace/story?id=118886868

 

[HalBass9]

What does it mean ?? Nothing. The world trade has been happening in USD, is still happening and will continue to happen in USD because it is the most stable currency. Thats the reality and what it truly means.

Mean nothing to you.

 

[deltexas]

Mean nothing to you.

It means nothing to world trade, global economy and trade. Doesnt matter what it means to me.

 

[deltexas]

The ramifications have started.

News : U.S. Terminates Support of Ukraine’s Energy Grid

State Department terminates U.S. support of Ukraine energy grid restoration

The USAID initiative had invested hundreds of millions of dollars in helping Ukraine's energy grid recover from attacks from Russia.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[rickroll]

To the EU/UK posters here who harp in their typical salty anti-US stance that the US is seeking global hegemony, who did not? Every country vies for influence in other areas given a chance - did we forget all of the EU colonial expansions?

Even in modern times, below is a map of French military bases in Africa, all of which were closed and I believe France is completely pulling out of Africa now. They were pressured to do so by the local governments and surprise surprise because the US gravy train is also slowing.

So France can afford to set up bases in Africa for their selfish reasons (to exert control and also use France backed CFA as the monetary unit to make money) but they cannot pitch in to help Ukraine and defend EU and somehow US tax payer money is needed for that?

I refuse to send my taxes so that "Pierre in Nice" can get free health insurance for his second and third cousins. This is unfair that we as Americans are expected to keep giving our tax money for this nonsense with EU/UK guilt tripping us while they silently continue with their own expansions.

Adieu: Africa’s military breakup with France is official

African leaders announcing the closure of Frensh military bases send a clear sign that Africa is rejecting France’s policies

www.rt.com

 

[deltexas]

The full meeting and not media selected clips here :

 

[deltexas]

To the EU/UK posters here who harp in their typical salty anti-US stance that the US is seeking global hegemony, who did not? Every country vies for influence in other areas given a chance - did we forget all of the EU colonial expansions?

Even in modern times, below is a map of French military bases in Africa, all of which were closed and I believe France is completely pulling out of Africa now. They were pressured to do so by the local governments and surprise surprise because the US gravy train is also slowing.

So France can afford to set up bases in Africa for their selfish reasons (to exert control and also use France backed CFA as the monetary unit to make money) but they cannot pitch in to help Ukraine and defend EU and somehow US tax payer money is needed for that?

I refuse to send my taxes so that "Pierre in Nice" can get free health insurance for his second and third cousins. This is unfair that we as Americans are expected to keep giving our tax money for this nonsense with EU/UK guilt tripping us while they silently continue with their own expansions.


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Adieu: Africa’s military breakup with France is official

African leaders announcing the closure of Frensh military bases send a clear sign that Africa is rejecting France’s policies

www.rt.com

Concur. US taxpayers money is for US residents simple as that. EU talks a lot and will be honest - makes for very good optics - but again when its about the actual dollars , no country was to spend. And that is totally fine with me - country first for any nation. Just that folks and other nations cant expect US largesse and criticize as well.

 

[Technics 1210]

US has never won nor fought a war on its own.

You better believe it, when Amreeka wants to go to war, it's Amreeka that reaches out with a begging bowl.

Amreeka needs Europe, not the other way round.

This is why Amreeka was ready sign a minerals deal with Ukraine.

 

[rickroll]

US has never won nor fought a war on its own.

You better believe it, when Amreeka wants to go to war, it's Amreeka that reaches out with a begging bowl.

Amreeka needs Europe, not the other way round.

This is why Amreeka was ready sign a minerals deal with Ukraine.

Irrelevant post. We do not need Europe, it is the other way around. US has been bearing the burden of military role for decades for Europe with nothing in return. An EU President has literally come to us with a begging bowl (courtesy this very thread) but you seem to have the denial and audacity to flip it around with some fantasy scenario in your head with multiple layers of IFs and BUTs.

If your fantasy IFs and BUTs become actual bolts and nuts -- then even I can become a Nobel prize winner.

All Pakistani Americans paying taxes that fund this EU cesspool stand with me.

I'm referencing this thread and I even included so many links for Trump being anti-muslim (post #219 in this thread) -- https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...24-can-he-succeed.307276/page-3#post-11879908 Now you lot are shocked at what Trump is proposing for Gaza, and your way of coping is yet another posturing saying "Trump is owned by Zionists" etc.

 

[deltexas]

US has never won nor fought a war on its own.

You better believe it, when Amreeka wants to go to war, it's Amreeka that reaches out with a begging bowl.

Amreeka needs Europe, not the other way round.

This is why Amreeka was ready sign a minerals deal with Ukraine.

US doesnt need EU - the other way round actually. Zelensky should just go to EU and stop going to US. Also an FYI. Pak has received a big fund bowl from the US. The biggest puppet of the US in fact. Flipped on the Tal overnight.
And on the mineral rights - pretty irrelevant to US interests in the long term or even short term

 

[deltexas]

Irrelevant post. We do not need Europe, it is the other way around. US has been bearing the burden of military role for decades for Europe with nothing in return. An EU President has literally come to us with a begging bowl (courtesy this very thread) but you seem to have the denial and audacity to flip it around with some fantasy scenario in your head with multiple layers of IFs and BUTs.

If your fantasy IFs and BUTs become actual bolts and nuts -- then even I can become a Nobel prize winner.

All Pakistani Americans paying taxes that fund this EU cesspool stand with me.

I'm referencing this thread and I even included so many links for Trump being anti-muslim (post #219 in this thread) -- https://ppforum.pakpassion.net/thre...24-can-he-succeed.307276/page-3#post-11879908 Now you lot are shocked at what Trump is proposing for Gaza, and your way of coping is yet another posturing saying "Trump is owned by Zionists" etc.

The world geopolitics has shades of grey always, its never black or white. Folks just need to need to understand that. Every country's first goal is to look after itself. The EU will be under a litmus test test now. Let their words match their actions and lets see how Zelensky or how much help he gets from EU other than tweets, messages , posts etc,..

 

[deltexas]

An FYI. List of foreign assistance to all countries by year. You can check any country per year all the way to year 2001. Becomes clear when you look into it.

FA.gov

ForeignAssistance.gov is the U.S. government’s flagship website for making U.S. foreign assistance data available to the public. It serves as the central resource for budgetary and financial data produced by U.S. government agencies that manage foreign assistance portfolios.

foreignassistance.gov

 

[moghul]

Serious minded people even here in USA, not just democrats but some republicans too are now worried about the path Trump is taking USA to. He is not just pressurizing Zolensky but also braking the bond between USA and Europe . Europe can survive without USA's help but it will not be good for USA in the long run . Not sure how much damage Trump will cause in his 4 years. BTW, I'm not democrat, I don't like them.

 

[deltexas]

Serious minded people even here in USA, not just democrats but some republicans too are now worried about the path Trump is taking USA to. He is not just pressurizing Zolensky but also braking the bond between USA and Europe . Europe can survive without USA's help but it will not be good for USA in the long run . Not sure how much damage Trump will cause in his 4 years. BTW, I'm not democrat, I don't like them.

US will be fine. EU needs to be worried. All this aid and funding to Ukraine and others should stop. Let EU go and fund them. US has to be worried more about China than EU.

 

[deltexas]

More changes happening. EU wants to seize all Russian assets wow !!

News : After Trump-Zelensky blowup, Europe may be more willing to seize frozen Russian assets

After Trump-Zelensky blowup, Europe may be more willing to seize frozen Russian assets while EU official says 'free world needs a new leader'

"Are the Europeans willing to stand up for themselves, for their principles, for their values, and for fellow Europeans? And I fear the answer is no."

fortune.com

European leaders expressed support for Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky after getting in a heated argument with President Donald Trump on Friday, raising speculation on what actions they could take to back up their words.

The diplomatic meltdown in the Oval Office sank hopes for a US-Ukraine mineral deal that could have eased the path for more support and an eventual end to the war. Meanwhile, the Trump administration is reportedly considering a halt to all US military aid.

Before the blowup, some European counties were eyeing a massive pot of money: the roughly $200 billion of Russian assets in the EU that were frozen after Vladimir Putin launched his war on Ukraine three years ago.

Interest from those assets are already being used to back an earlier 50 billion-euro loan to Ukraine. But some leaders are concerned about the legality of an outright seizure of Russia’s currency, gold, and government bonds, which could also raise doubts about the safety of certain assets across global markets.

Now, the prospect of US aid ending soon could overcome lingering resistance.

“european union now more likely to seize russia’s frozen assets, making up for loss of american support for ukraine,” Ian Bremmer, president of political risk research and consulting firm Eurasia Group, posted on X on Friday.

That comes as Europe reckons with a possible future without US leadership, including a trans-Atlantic alliance that has been the bulwark of Washington’s security shield for nearly 80 years.

The EU’s top diplomat, Kaja Kallas, signaled after the Trump-Zelensky shouting match on Friday that Europe will try to fill the void.

“The free world needs a new leader,” she said. “It’s up to us, Europeans, to take this challenge.”

Kallas, a lawyer and a former prime minister of Estonia, has also been a proponent of seizing Russia’s frozen assets. In December, she said Ukraine has a legitimate claim for compensation and suggested the frozen Russian assets would help pay the damage Moscow has inflicted.

On Monday, she said one more EU country had switched from opposing an asset seizure to supporting it without naming the member state, but acknowledged the difficulty of getting unanimous approval.

“This is what I have always said: eventually, especially in the situation where we are right now, we all come to the conclusion that our taxpayers should not be the ones who are paying for this,” Kallas added. “It should come from the country that destroys Ukraine, which is Russia.”

Leaders from Poland, Estonia, and Finland recently added to growing calls for seizure. And on Monday, Czech Prime Minister Petr Fiala joined in, saying Trump is completely transforming US foreign policy.

But the Eurasia Group’s Bremmer expressed doubts that Europe will step up its support for Ukraine meaningfully.

“Are the Europeans willing to stand up for themselves, for their principles, for their values, and for fellow Europeans? And I fear the answer is no,” he said in a video posted on Saturday. “Analytically, everything we’ve seen for the last three years is that they’re going to talk a really good game and they’re not going to do very much. But we shall see. And we shall see very soon because this is the future of the West. This is the future of democracy. And it sure as hell is the future of the Ukrainians.”

 

[deltexas]

More changes happening. EU wants to seize all Russian assets wow !!

News : After Trump-Zelensky blowup, Europe may be more willing to seize frozen Russian assets

After Trump-Zelensky blowup, Europe may be more willing to seize frozen Russian assets while EU official says 'free world needs a new leader'

"Are the Europeans willing to stand up for themselves, for their principles, for their values, and for fellow Europeans? And I fear the answer is no."

fortune.com

The highlighted from the above shows the EU reality :

But the Eurasia Group’s Bremmer expressed doubts that Europe will step up its support for Ukraine meaningfully.


“Are the Europeans willing to stand up for themselves, for their principles, for their values, and for fellow Europeans? And I fear the answer is no,” he said in a video posted on Saturday. “Analytically, everything we’ve seen for the last three years is that they’re going to talk a really good game and they’re not going to do very much. But we shall see. And we shall see very soon because this is the future of the West. This is the future of democracy. And it sure as hell is the future of the Ukrainians.”

 

[Mockingbird]

EU and Canada should learn to stand on its own feet. Why should US Taxpayers pay for somebody not building their own military and providing freebies to people? Let’s be clear - the only reason countries like Canada are providing free stuff like ‘universal medical or free education’ is because they never had to build their own army and were dependent on US to defend them. We will see what happens when US pulls the proverbial carpet from under their feet. Trump asks the right question - can you defend your country/bloc against Russia or any other invading power on your own?

For all these years, Ukraine was living in a ga-ga-land refusing nuclear power or NATO membership because of fear of Russian attack, but then Russia attacked them nonetheless. NATO which itself is dependent on Russian Gas & oil is reluctant to fully stand up for Ukraine. How long should US involve itself in all this mess without getting anything in return?

 

[JaDed]

Great , now do it with Israel.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

You can call it "moral obligation" yes. But legally binding obligation is simply not present at the agreement. That agreement is nothing but an MoU.
So accusation against trump of violating Budapest agreement is inaccurate.

If Budapest agreement was only a MoU and not even morally binding for giving up the nukes, then how can Ukraine now trust in Trump for giving guarantee about its security if Ukraine accept Trumps call and hand over all its land to Putin?

If Budapest agreement is not even morally binding, then Trump has no standing and no one should trust this person.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Straight from the horse's mouth from EU delegation , here you go :

EU Assistance to Ukraine (in U.S. Dollars)

Last updated February 25, 2025. To view a PDF version, please click here. The European Union (EU) and our 27 Member States remain united and determined in our unprecedented support for Ukraine. Since the start of the war, the EU and our Member States have made available close to $145 billion* in...

www.eeas.europa.eu

EU total Ukraine contribution is $145 billion. And by the way EU is 27 countries ! 27 , not 1. Whereas the US is "one" country.

US has $180 billion aid. Thats more than the entire 27 countries EU.

Firstly, it still does not make 350 Billion aid from the US as Trump and you are propagating.
Secondly, this figure is also wrong.

The U.S. has provided $119.7 billion to Ukraine’s war effort, compared to the EU’s $138.7-$145 billion (institutions plus member states). The EU surpasses the U.S. overall, driven by financial and humanitarian aid, though the U.S. leads in military support.

U.S. Contributions

• Total U.S. Aid: Approximately $119.7 billion USD (€111 billion at recent exchange rates).
  • Military Aid: $64 billion, including weapons, equipment, and training (e.g., HIMARS, Abrams tanks, F-16 support). This figure reflects allocations—aid delivered or earmarked—rather than just pledges.
  • Financial Aid: $46 billion, mostly grants to Ukraine’s government for budget support (e.g., salaries, infrastructure).
  • Humanitarian Aid: $3.5 billion, covering refugee support and in-country assistance.
• Broader Estimates: The U.S. Department of Defense and Congress report a higher total of $175 billion through five supplemental appropriations (up to April 2024), but this includes $69 billion for replenishing U.S. stockpiles and other indirect costs (e.g., NATO presence in Europe), not direct aid to Ukraine. The Kiel figure of $119.7 billion is the direct bilateral aid, aligning with your question’s focus.

EU Contributions
The European Union’s contributions are more complex, as they combine EU institutional aid (via the European Commission and European Investment Bank) with bilateral aid from its 27 member states. Kiel Institute data, corroborated by EU statements, provides:

• Total EU Aid (Institutions + Member States): Approximately $138.7 billion USD (€130 billion) through December 2024.
  • EU Institutions:
    • Financial Aid: $68 billion, including grants and highly concessional loans (e.g., the €50 billion Ukraine Facility, 2024-2027).
    • Military Aid: $5-6 billion via the European Peace Facility (EPF), though some sources estimate higher when including joint procurement.
    • Humanitarian Aid: $17 billion, largely for refugees and in-country needs.
  • EU Member States (Bilateral):
    • Military Aid: $53 billion, led by Germany ($19.4 billion), Denmark, and the Netherlands.
    • Financial/Humanitarian: Roughly $50 billion, with significant refugee support (e.g., Poland’s $22.7 billion).
• EU Claims: The EU’s official site (EEAS, updated February 25, 2025) cites $145 billion total, with 65% as grants/in-kind and 35% as loans, slightly higher than Kiel’s estimate, possibly due to broader definitions (e.g., future commitments like the $54 billion Facility).

Comparison

• Raw Totals:
  • U.S.: $119.7 billion (direct bilateral aid).
  • EU (Institutions + Members): $138.7 billion (Kiel) or $145 billion (EU estimate).
  • Verdict: The EU collectively outpaces the U.S. by $19-25 billion, depending on the source.
• Per Capita/Scale:
  • U.S. (330 million people): ~$363 per capita.
  • EU (448 million people): ~$310-$323 per capita.
  • The U.S. bears a higher per-person burden, but the EU’s collective effort is larger in absolute terms.
• Military Focus:
  • U.S.: $64 billion (53% of its total) vs. EU: $58-59 billion (~42% of its total). The U.S. leads in military aid, reflecting its role as Ukraine’s primary weapons supplier.
• Grants vs. Loans:
  • U.S.: Nearly all aid is grants, with no repayment expected.
  • EU: About 35% ($50 billion) is loans, though on favorable terms (e.g., repaid via frozen Russian assets), with $95 billion in grants/in-kind.

And the aid was given to Ukraine by Biden. If Trump was there instead of Biden, then Ukraine had got perhaps very less.

The problem is the big lie telling mouth of Trump, which has been making it 350 billion dollars again and again.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

There is no moral obligations nor moral talk - reality is different. Just like Ban and Pak cricket teams moral victories!

If Budapest agreement was not even morally binding for giving up the nukes, then how can Ukraine now trust in Trump for giving guarantee about its security if Ukraine accept Trumps call and hand over all its land to Putin, and give rare metals to Trump?

If Budapest agreement is not even morally binding, then Trump has no standing and no one should trust this person.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Meaning Zelensky should have stopped Russua starting the war through diplomacy, talks etc.

It is a totally delusional statement, devoid of any sense.

You mean when Hitler invaded other countries, then leader of all those countries were at fault but Hitler was an angel and should not be condemned? Does it really make any sense?

And now when Putin attacked Ukraine, then you are putting the whole blame upon Zelensky, while refuting to call Putin an aggressor and dictator and refuse to condemn him.

Go ahead and they can resist- just dont ask the US for any aid or weapons. Simple as that. If they want US aid and grants- it will come with strings attached.

We are not living in a jungle, where there no one raises a voice when powerful party attacks and oppresses an innocent weaker party.

If we have to follow your logic, then every powerful country will start attacking the weaker neighbour, and no one go to help the innocent, and this world will again become a hell.

Yes, Trump wants to destroy the civilized world and want to become above every law, because it suits him as a dictator. Every dictator does the same.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Moral obligation will risk world wars. So it makes sense countries will not honour it if they don’t have to. It is a shame Ukraine was not a part of Nato before, Putin wouldn’t have attacked in the first place as he wouldn’t want to have risked world war. Then again Russia also probably attacked now because if they had waited till Ukraine became Nato, they would then no longer be able to.

All countries involved bar maybe Ukraine prioritise preventing a world war over the health of Ukraine. All would rather see Ukraine completely invaded by Russia than have a world war when nuclear is involved. Yes Ukraine has been stung before giving territory to Russia in the past. They will most likely have to do it again in this instance now. But at least a positive of this war is I really doubt Russia will try this again. The damage and fallout has been too severe this time. Last time the extra tariffs alone were not sufficient enough to discourage Russia. I’m sure Putin himself regrets starting this war, but evidently won’t want to look like he lost. He will need something to save face. And if he doesn’t get that he will continue the war.

The situation is the same in Israel and Palestine IMO. The Clinton parameters where 95% of West Bank would be given and all of Gaza. Yes it should have been the entire amount and Israel shouldn’t have lumped the other stipulations on top. The idea of 95% looks better than it actually is. But they should have taken it. Palestine will never get a deal as good as that ever again, and what is worse Israel continually uses this as proof to their people that Palestine want nothing but the complete ousting of Israel, thus their government can continue their takeover of West Bank settlements. There won’t even be that 95% left to negotiate in decades to come. Several generations of Palestinians have had their lives ruined. It’s easy to say in hindsight. And it isn’t fair to Palestine at all. But that’s the problem, clinging to an ideal and then receiving nothing.

As I said before I don’t really blame Zelensky and feel sorry for him. Ukraine is getting screwed over for sure. EU, USA, UK are all as bad as each other, none want to properly back Ukraine to end the war for fear of world war. They are simply sending enough for Ukraine to hang in there not to win this war. That is why there is no end in sight. And why a deal to end this war despite injustice to Ukraine is probably necessary.

Everyone wants peace—there’s no debate there. But the way Trump is going about it is a disaster. You don’t broker peace by slamming your own ally, branding them a “dictator,” and leaving them dangling in a vulnerable spot. That’s not negotiation; it’s sabotage. To forge a solid peace, you’ve got to back the side fighting for its survival, not tear it down in public. Trump’s approach reeks of weakness masked as bravado, and it’s a terrible signal to send.
The real issue here is Trump himself—he’s the glitch in this equation. His tactics don’t just undermine Ukraine; they embolden Russia in a way that’s dangerously shortsighted. Let’s be clear: if Russia comes out on top—and Trump seems oddly fine with that—this won’t end at Ukraine’s borders. Russia’s not some fading power; it’s got the muscle, the nukes, and the will to keep pushing. A “peace deal” won’t disarm that threat—it’ll just convince Putin that the free world blinks when faced with nuclear bluster or the specter of global conflict. History backs this up: appeasement fuels aggression, not restraint.
And here’s where it gets worse—Trump’s playbook could turn on us. If he’s cool with Russia steamrolling a neighbor, what stops him from eyeing Canada, Greenland, or Panama next? Picture it: he marches in, demands they bow to a “peace deal” under threat, just like he’s nudging Ukraine to do. It’s not far-fetched—his rhetoric thrives on dominance, not diplomacy. Once that precedent’s set, every strongman from Pyongyang to Caracas will see a green light to bully their own backyard, knowing the U.S. won’t stand firm. Trump’s not just risking Ukraine; he’s inviting a world where might trumps right everywhere.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Your nation's security is your responsibility not someone else's.

No, it happens only in jungle, but not in a civilized world, where one cares for the rights of weaker ones too.

And all dictators like Trump and Modi want to turn this world into jungle, while "might is right" and "the jungle law" suits to all dictators.

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Elected leaders like Trump or Netanyahu or Modi are dictators? Why? Because they don't support your agenda?

No, because they want to destroy and loot the weaker ones and don't want to give them their rights. Because they are rubbish as human beings and want to destroy every law (even their own state institutions) while they want to become above the law (as every dictator wants to be above the law).

 

[HaiderAmmar]

Who showed disrespect? Zelensky or Trump?​

• Trump’s Behavior:
  • Trump accused Zelensky of insufficient gratitude for U.S. support, saying, “You have to be thankful. You don’t have the cards. You’re buried there. Your people are dying,” and “You’re gambling with World War III.” He spoke over Zelensky repeatedly, cutting off attempts to respond.
  • Post-meeting, Trump posted on Truth Social, claiming Zelensky “disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office” and suggested he wasn’t ready for peace if America was involved. He reiterated his earlier label of Zelensky as a “dictator without elections,” a term he’d used since at least February 19, 2025.
  • Trump’s tone was described as berating and hostile, with Vice President JD Vance joining in, accusing Zelensky of “litigating” issues publicly and disrespecting the administration.
• Zelensky’s Behavior:
  • Zelensky challenged Trump’s approach to Russia, questioning what diplomacy was possible with Vladimir Putin, who had broken prior agreements. He pointed out Vance’s lack of firsthand experience with Ukraine’s war, saying, “You’ve never been to Ukraine.”
  • Reports note Zelensky tried to interject, emphasizing his desire to end the war, but was interrupted by Trump. His responses were firm but framed as defending Ukraine’s position, not as personal attacks.
  • After the meeting, Zelensky posted on social media, thanking the U.S. for its support and emphasizing a “just and lasting peace,” avoiding direct criticism of Trump in that statement.

Who Showed Disrespect or Insult?

• Trump’s Disrespect and Insult to Zelensky:
  • Calling Zelensky a “dictator” (both on February 28 and earlier) is a clear insult, implying illegitimacy and authoritarianism. This echoes Kremlin narratives but lacks evidence—Zelensky was democratically elected in 2019, and elections are suspended under martial law, a legal measure since Russia’s 2022 invasion.
  • Trump’s public berating, interrupting, and dismissive tone in the Oval Office—described as a “shouting match” and “ambush”—showed disrespect to Zelensky as a visiting leader. His post-meeting claim of disrespect by Zelensky in the “cherished Oval Office” flipped the narrative, but the initial aggression came from Trump.
  • The “dictator” label, repeated over weeks, escalated into a personal attack, undermining Zelensky’s leadership during a war, which many allies (e.g., UK’s Keir Starmer, Germany’s Olaf Scholz) condemned as baseless and dangerous.
• Zelensky’s Potential Disrespect to Trump:
  • Zelensky’s challenge to Trump’s Russia policy and his remark to Vance about not visiting Ukraine could be seen as disrespectful if interpreted as questioning their authority or competence. However, these were policy-based rebuttals, not personal insults.
  • Trump perceived Zelensky’s demeanor as disrespectful, citing “body language and argumentative manner” (per White House officials). Yet, no specific act—like name-calling or overt rudeness—stands out from Zelensky beyond

 

[Varun]

They get "lectured" plenty from me. I find it hilarious they love Trump but hate America and somehow tell us that Trump is better. dichotomy over dichotomy.

Then they turn a blind eye to their own PM acting like Trump's chhota!

Imagine if Putin comes for the UK next. This subset of British Pakistanis will happily join forces to participate in the "liberation".

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC AND NO PERSONAL REMARKS PLEASE

 

[Itachi]

If Budapest agreement was not even morally binding for giving up the nukes, then how can Ukraine now trust in Trump for giving guarantee about its security if Ukraine accept Trumps call and hand over all its land to Putin, and give rare metals to Trump?

If Budapest agreement is not even morally binding, then Trump has no standing and no one should trust this person.

Ukraine doesn't trust US. It just doesn't have any other option/alternative.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Starmer gives Zelensky 'full backing' in warm No 10 welcome

Sir Keir Starmer has told Volodymyr Zelensky he has "full backing across the United Kingdom" as the two met in Downing Street.

The Ukrainian president told the prime minister he was happy his country had "such friends", after arriving in the UK in the wake of a White House meeting with US President Donald Trump that descended into a row between the two leaders.

Zelensky and Sir Keir also signed a £2.26bn loan for Ukrainian military supplies, that will be repaid using profits from frozen Russian assets.

After Saturday's meeting, Sir Keir spoke with Trump, and French President Emmanuel Macron.

The prime minister will host a summit of European leaders in London on Sunday on efforts to bring the Russia-Ukraine war to an end, as well as wider European defence, while Zelensky will also meet King Charles III.

Those meetings will now be overshadowed by events in Washington and concerns about a hardening of relations with the US.

In recent weeks, the prime minister has sought to cast himself as a bridge between the US and Europe as it adapts to the Trump administration's desire to be less involved in European defence, having a cordial meeting with Trump a day before Zelensky's.

During that meeting, he hand-delivered a letter from the King inviting Trump - who is fond of the Royal Family - to an unprecedented second state visit, which SNP MPs called on the PM to withdraw following the Oval Office spat.

Sir Keir has also attempted to be a conduit for Ukraine as it seeks US security guarantees in any peace deal - contacting both Trump and Zelensky by phone on Friday evening in the aftermath of their row.

The visit to Downing Street on Saturday was an opportunity for the PM to demonstrate his continued support for Zelensky following the public falling-out with Trump.

Remarking on cheers he heard outside, Sir Keir told the Ukrainian leader: "That is the people of the United Kingdom coming out to demonstrate how much they support you, how much they support Ukraine."

He added: "We stand with you and Ukraine for as long as it may take."

Zelensky replied: "I saw a lot of people and I want to thank you, the people of the United Kingdom, [for] such big support from the very beginning of this war."

He said he was happy about meeting the King on Sunday, and was thankful for the European summit.

It is understood the meeting between Zelensky and the King was requested by the Ukrainian president, with the UK government agreeing to it.

Following the Downing Street meeting, Zelensky praised the UK's "tremendous" support, noting in particular the £2.26bn loan paid for through Russian assets frozen since the war began.

He said the funds will be used to produce weapons in Ukraine, declaring: "This is true justice - the one who started the war must be the one to pay."

The loan was first announced in October.

Following the acrimonious White House visit, Zelensky has attempted to mend US ties.

In a statement, he said of Trump: "Despite the tough dialogue, we remain strategic partners. But we need to be honest and direct with each other to truly understand our shared goals."

When his plane landed at Stansted, the Ukrainian leader wrote in a string of social media posts: "It's crucial for us to have President Trump's support. He wants to end the war, but no one wants peace more than we do.

"We are the ones living this war in Ukraine. It's a fight for our freedom, for our very survival."

Sunday's summit in London is the latest round of top-level European meetings in response to Washington's new approach to ending the war in Ukraine, which began with Russia's full-scale invasion just over three years ago.

The Trump administration has so far excluded Europe from preliminary talks with Russia, while the president has been accused of parroting Russian propaganda.

Top of the agenda on Sunday will be increasing Europe's defence capabilities as the US steps back, as well as seeking security guarantees for Ukraine from the White House as part of any peace deal.

Ahead of the last summit in Paris, Sir Keir proposed deploying British troops to Ukraine as part of a European peacekeeping force - but said this would require a US security "backstop".

Trump has consistently resisted fully committing direct military support to a Ukraine peace deal, but has offered closer economic ties including a minerals deal, which he said could act as a deterrent.

Since Friday's row, media reports from the US suggest Trump is considering cutting off aid to Ukraine altogether.

At the same time, European leaders have recognised the need to increase defence spending - but experts have warned the UK's military was currently not ready to take on an expanded defence role.

On Sunday, Sir Keir and Zelensky will be joined by the leaders of France, Germany and Poland, the heads of the European Commission and European Council, and Nato's secretary general.

A special European Commission defence package will be announced on 6 March, according to Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk.

The Oval Office spat prompted European allies to mount a spirited defence of the embattled Ukrainian president.

While diplomatic efforts to bring the war to a close continue, fighting rages on.

Seven people were injured in an overnight drone attack on the north-eastern city of Kharkiv.

Ukraine's state emergency service said 64 people - most of them patients - were evacuated from a three-storey medical facility that caught fire after being hit by a drone.

In Russia, the country's defence ministry reported 48 Ukrainian drones had been "intercepted and destroyed" overnight.

BBC