[VIDEOS] Fakhar Zaman - Pakistan's most frustrating batter?

[RidiculousMan]

In cricket, there's a concept known as "form," which was significant in the 90s when players would often experience dips in performance followed by working hard to improve. Fakhar has been undergoing a similar process, but it doesn't diminish his talent or ability. Now that he's back in form and performing well, it's suggested he should come in to bat in the 2nd over if he's entering the game early.

And I don't see how it benefits pakistan if he has to come out to bat in the 2nd over it just show those who are batting in position 1 and 2 are not sticking in long enough so what's the point of them opening please explain

You'll fall on your own argument because Fakhar's form is the most volatile there is in Cricket. And if we agree even that it's form. Then the worst thing you can do to an inform settled batter is to move his positions. Which doesn't guarantee the same form will continue or not.

I wouldn't change Fakhar's position right now as he is much needed at no. 4 than opening. We have plenty of opening options anyways

 

[RidiculousMan]

Genuine question,

Would you replace Rohit sharma even as he is now, for Rizwan at opening in t20?

I mean rohit isn't anywhere close to his 200 odi scoring prime. And in t20 he isn't exactly the best at t20 opening atm.

But would you shove rohit at no 4 and have someone like rizwan open instead? Assuming both were playing in a league together.

I look for an opening pair where one is aggressor an another is sort of an anchor like Rizwan. I would only replace Rohit with Rizwan if I have Jaiswal, Saim or Abhishek on the other end.

 

[mominsaigol]

I look for an opening pair where one is aggressor an another is sort of an anchor like Rizwan. I would only replace Rohit with Rizwan if I have Jaiswal, Saim or Abhishek on the other end.

Fair enough, but may ik why? Wouldn't it be better to just find 2 aggressive openers instead?

I can understand your logic applying to Pakistan, hence why I agreed with fakhar and rizwan argument since rizwan is a good asset to have chasing.

Why does this logic apply to India that have plenty of inform attackers to replace rohit? And other openers? They don't need anchorers. In the same way Australia doesn't with Warner, head and now mcfraser coming soon.

 

[RidiculousMan]

He's not, he's a tail ender who will tulla bazi slog. He'll get you 40 of 20 once in a blue moon max.

You'd rather have an actual batter at no 5 like tayyab tahir or you'd just have imad wasim in his place as imad at no 5 has proven to be reliable as a batter.

Infact when imad is given overs he's been gun hence his odi stats being 42avg and 110 sr cause he usually comes in when 8 to 10 overs remain, compares to t20 where he either doesn't come in or comes in an impossible scenario where its hard to score. Shadab's odi batting stats are pathetic to say the least deapite him batting higher usually.

Psl showed why imad is a 100x better no 5 then shadab is, against NZ he was striking at over 200SR simply and he avg and sr improved by multiple points. Avg from 15 to 17.

His avg will continue to improve the more overs he gets. Shadab and chacha have no business coming ahead of imad. Shadab is a no 5 batter.

What good is a no 5 batter in t20 who averages 19 and a sr of 141? These are stats you see for a no 7, not no 5. So shadab averages 19 of 13 deliveries every game? Big whoop.

You can write a book on this but stats cannot be denied. His performances in the middle order in PSL is a testament to his batting talent and ability.

You don't end up with 2nd best strike rate with luck. Whenever he's been promoted in Pakistan or got the ample opportunity he has performed decently. His 20-40 impact runs will be enough more often at no. 5

 

[RidiculousMan]

Fair enough, but may ik why? Wouldn't it be better to just find 2 aggressive openers instead?

I can understand your logic applying to Pakistan, hence why I agreed with fakhar and rizwan argument since rizwan is a good asset to have chasing.

Why does this logic apply to India that have plenty of inform attackers to replace rohit? And other openers? They don't need anchorers. In the same way Australia doesn't with Warner, head and now mcfraser coming soon.

You can find two aggressors but the problem becomes consistency. Aggressors play high risk cricket and against best teams and on assisting pitches the batter is more prone to fail early on.

With Head and Abhishek we're seeing a shift with two aggressors despite being flat pitches. But I'll still hold my position for now as their batting sample size is small and on IPL 2024 pitches only

 

[mominsaigol]

You can write a book on this but stats cannot be denied. His performances in the middle order in PSL is a testament to his batting talent and ability.

You don't end up with 2nd best strike rate with luck. Whenever he's been promoted in Pakistan or got the ample opportunity he has performed decently. His 20-40 impact runs will be enough more often at no. 5

I'm not denying stats.

Avg of 19 and sr of 141 is 19 of 13 balls as a no 5.

You think that's good? Lol. So he averages batting 2 overs and scores 6 to 7 runs extra?

His sr would only reflect well if he averaged higher. These 2 are linked not seprate entities. So theirs no book being written. Nor are stats being denied. I'm giving you the stats straight up on what he consistently gets per game according to STATS.

 

[mominsaigol]

You can find two aggressors but the problem becomes consistency. Aggressors play high risk cricket and against best teams and on assisting pitches the batter is more prone to fail early on.

With Head and Abhishek we're seeing a shift with two aggressors despite being flat pitches. But I'll still hold my position for now as their batting sample size is small and on IPL 2024 pitches only

Travis head and warmer have been batting for years.

Before that it was Finch and Warner.

Then you had combos of rohit and dhawan( Dhawan who in his prime batted at a sr of 91 in odi with rohit batting at 91 as well.) These guys were considered the best opening pair in asia for decades.

These pairs are considered the best opening duo's in the past 10 years. Infact people want Gill to either come back to form, or want jaiswal etc to open permanently now.

Which top side wants anchorers or one anchorer or striker at the top?

Strikers aren't fragile, form and striker have no colink between each other. A good player who is a good striker has no issue showing consistency.

Just because Pakistan is struggling doesn't mean we apply this as a universal concept to all teams and leagues.

 

[Concerned]

Fakhar can score boundaries outside of the power play making him perfect for number 3/4.

Pakistan is still in need of a T20 opener who can score at a brisk rate. Babar and Rizwan is not the solution whilst S.Ayub has failed miserably.

 

[Rana]

Fakhar can score boundaries outside of the power play making him perfect for number 3/4

Ah yes, it means Fakhar can’t score boundaries inside powerplay it seems

 

[mominsaigol]

Ah yes, it means Fakhar can’t score boundaries inside powerplay it seems

This argument of

Haha 4 years ago fakhar sucked, so no more opening for him, bad boy is such a lame and dudoo argument

 

[Rana]

This argument of

Haha 4 years ago fakhar sucked, so no more opening for him, bad boy is such a lame and dudoo argument

They are conveniently dishonest to protect Rizwan as an opener

They know he can’t survive anywhere else, even though he’s a fraud as an opener too.

Rizwan looked ok in a chase where Fakhar was blasting the opponent and then Azam khan. Rizwan was dropped 3 times

 

[RidiculousMan]

Travis head and warmer have been batting for years.

Before that it was Finch and Warner.

Then you had combos of rohit and dhawan( Dhawan who in his prime batted at a sr of 91 in odi with rohit batting at 91 as well.) These guys were considered the best opening pair in asia for decades.

These pairs are considered the best opening duo's in the past 10 years. Infact people want Gill to either come back to form, or want jaiswal etc to open permanently now.

Which top side wants anchorers or one anchorer or striker at the top?

Strikers aren't fragile, form and striker have no colink between each other. A good player who is a good striker has no issue showing consistency.

Just because Pakistan is struggling doesn't mean we apply this as a universal concept to all teams and leagues.

Fair enough but generally in my way for things to go about. I need an anchor in my XI and I think I did explained it to you or someone earlier as well (some time ago).

 

[Rana]

I need an anchor in my XI

Where does your anchor bat?

 

[mominsaigol]

Fair enough but generally in my way for things to go about. I need an anchor in my XI and I think I did explained it to you or someone earlier as well (some time ago).

You explained your reasoning for Pakistan, and that reasoning was based of Pakistan lacking talent.

In terms of universally applying this rule, you are wrong from every single point of view. (NO OFFENSE, I'm jato giving you the honest truth on how things have been progressing based of the last 12 years)

If India and Australia saw such comments. Heck if NZ saw such comments they'd be a minnow team. Nz replacing will young for rachin was the correct decision.

 

[mominsaigol]

They are conveniently dishonest to protect Rizwan as an opener

They know he can’t survive anywhere else, even though he’s a fraud as an opener too.

Rizwan looked ok in a chase where Fakhar was blasting the opponent and then Azam khan. Rizwan was dropped 3 times

I don't mind rizwan in a chasing scenario. But unless your a quinton de kock who's world class in batting first, rizwan should not get the same treatment.

If rizwan was a goat of chasing but a terrible batter at batting first it would make sense.

But rizwan is known for bottling it in pressure situations aka Sri lanka final or psl final. On top of that he can't chase against top sides. If that were the case he'd replicate his Sri lanka knock against Australia and England.

If rizwan was used as a specialist opening batter against Zimbabwe, Ireland, Sri Lanka and teams not including sena and India, it'll be fine.

What basis is he opening full time? In chasing, and against sena and India?

 

[RidiculousMan]

Where does your anchor bat?

Open or no. 3.

 

[Rana]

Open or no. 3.

Open?

Give me examples of anchor openers around the world.

 

[emranabbas]

You'll fall on your own argument because Fakhar's form is the most volatile there is in Cricket. And if we agree even that it's form. Then the worst thing you can do to an inform settled batter is to move his positions. Which doesn't guarantee the same form will continue or not.

I wouldn't change Fakhar's position right now as he is much needed at no. 4 than opening. We have plenty of opening options anyways

Why do you keep missing the point that regardless of whose opening fakhar a number 4 batsmen is coming in at the second over where he has scored a 50 61 and 78.

so whats The use of the other batters coming in before him if 2 wickets are going to be gone in the 2nd over of the game and fakhar has to come in?

Technically he is playing as an opener and scoring runs but when he Comes in at number 4 in the 14th over fakhar is failing so your number 4 argument don't stand.

It's only better to drop fakhar for usman to come in at number four if fakhar isn't opening

Coming in after the 7th over fakhar is waste of space

 

[emranabbas]

Open or no. 3.

Anchor in t20

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

	Innings	Runs	Average	Strike Rate	Fifties
Fakhar Zaman as opener	36	812	22.55	136.24	4
Fakhar Zaman at No. 4	12	369	30.75	159.05	3

Whether people want to admit or not, Fakhar Zaman at No. 4 has worked. And honestly, when you think about it, Fakhar is even more important in the middle overs because that period is Babar and Rizwan's biggest weakness. Especially Babar. In the powerplay you can get 50-1 if Saim Ayub opens the batting and manages to hang around for atleast the powerplay.

People can throw tantrums calling for Babar and Rizwan to be dropped but fact is they are not going anywhere till atleast the end of this World Cup, whether you like them or not. So better to come back to reality and be realistic. Right now Pakistan's best top order (based on the players they have) is Saim Ayub and Rizwan opening. Babar at 3 and Fakhar at 4.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I find it hypocritical to think you people are happy to term Shadab Khan a batsman because of stats suggesting he can do this and that here and there….

But you won’t apply the same rule when it comes to a player like Sunil Narine as an opener over Babar and Rizwan.

It’s understandable for your lot.

When did I ever mention Narine?

Are you alright?

 

[Rana]

Anchor in t20

He isn’t afraid to say ridiculous things after all

 

[emranabbas]

	Innings	Runs	Average	Strike Rate	Fifties
Fakhar Zaman as opener	36	812	22.55	136.24	4
Fakhar Zaman at No. 4	12	369	30.75	159.05	3

Whether people want to admit or not, Fakhar Zaman at No. 4 has worked. And honestly, when you think about it, Fakhar is even more important in the middle overs because that period is Babar and Rizwan's biggest weakness. Especially Babar. In the powerplay you can get 50-1 if Saim Ayub opens the batting and manages to hang around for atleast the powerplay.

People can throw tantrums calling for Babar and Rizwan to be dropped but fact is they are not going anywhere till atleast the end of this World Cup, whether you like them or not. So better to come back to reality and be realistic. Right now Pakistan's best top order (based on the players they have) is Saim Ayub and Rizwan opening. Babar at 3 and Fakhar at 4.

Bro stats don't tell the full story check the invidual games every times he's been successful at number 4 is when we lost early wickets and he's coming in 2nd over or 4th over

please check all invidual games and tell me what over he's coming in to bat when he made 50 60 and 70 scores

 

[mominsaigol]

Anchor in t20

Tbh bro, we have anchors in t20, NZ has Williamson yada yada.

But the game is evolving very very quickly and soon you'll see this era end, its only the oldies who are anchoring now, out of pure respect for the years they've been playing.

Problem is most teams have maybe 1 or 2.

Pakistan has

1) Babar
2) Rizwan
3) Fakhar (At no 4, they've given him this role lol, rather then allowing him to free flow athe top)
4) Chacha

^^ That's 4 out of 7 and if irfan Khan niazi plays, that's 5 out of 7

 

[emranabbas]

Bro stats don't tell the full story check the invidual games every times he's been successful at number 4 is when we lost early wickets and he's coming in 2nd over or 4th over

please check all invidual games and tell me what over he's coming in to bat when he made 50 60 and 70 scores

@RedwoodOriginal

replied to someone already on this topic



Now is the time to refute the claim that Fakhar Zaman is a number 4 batsman. This assertion is propagated by fans of Rizwan, allowing him the opportunity to consistently open and boost his batting average.

Fakhar has featured in 12 matches batting at the fourth position, with three of them occurring in 2021.

In the initial match, he recorded a score of 0. In the subsequent game, he managed 26 runs, entering the field when the score was already at 175. Finally, in the third encounter, he contributed 15 runs to the team's total.

The remaining nine games took place in 2024 against New Zealand's school team and Ireland. It's difficult to gauge his performance against these teams. To truly evaluate his abilities, we need to observe how he performs against stronger opposition He effectively fulfilled his role against weaker teams where others had struggled.

if we even break the 9 2024 games in the first game he scored 15, coming in the 5th over

the 2nd game he scored a 50 and he came in when we lost 2 early wickets score was 10/2 and he came in the 2nd over

the 3rd game he scored 19 and the 4th game he scored a 9, in the 5th game he scored 33

now coming in the 6th game he scored 61 when again we lost 2 early wickets, he came in the 4th over when the score was 40/2

in the 7th game he scored a 43 coming in the 14th over and then in the 8th 20 coming in the 14th over again

in the 9th game he scored a 78 coming in the 2nd over when the score was 13/2

this clearly shows if you want big score from fakhar of 50's 60's 70's he need to be coming in early overs

 

[RidiculousMan]

	Innings	Runs	Average	Strike Rate	Fifties
Fakhar Zaman as opener	36	812	22.55	136.24	4
Fakhar Zaman at No. 4	12	369	30.75	159.05	3

Whether people want to admit or not, Fakhar Zaman at No. 4 has worked. And honestly, when you think about it, Fakhar is even more important in the middle overs because that period is Babar and Rizwan's biggest weakness. Especially Babar. In the powerplay you can get 50-1 if Saim Ayub opens the batting and manages to hang around for atleast the powerplay.

People can throw tantrums calling for Babar and Rizwan to be dropped but fact is they are not going anywhere till atleast the end of this World Cup, whether you like them or not. So better to come back to reality and be realistic. Right now Pakistan's best top order (based on the players they have) is Saim Ayub and Rizwan opening. Babar at 3 and Fakhar at 4.

If Saim can start performing. This can be a decent top 4 with Babar at 3 and Fakhar at 4.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bro stats don't tell the full story check the invidual games every times he's been successful at number 4 is when we lost early wickets and he's coming in 2nd over or 4th over

please check all invidual games and tell me what over he's coming in to bat when he made 50 60 and 70 scores

Actually he has only come in during the powerplay overs only thrice during these 12 innings.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@RedwoodOriginal
replied to someone already on this topic



Now is the time to refute the claim that Fakhar Zaman is a number 4 batsman. This assertion is propagated by fans of Rizwan, allowing him the opportunity to consistently open and boost his batting average.

Fakhar has featured in 12 matches batting at the fourth position, with three of them occurring in 2021.

In the initial match, he recorded a score of 0. In the subsequent game, he managed 26 runs, entering the field when the score was already at 175. Finally, in the third encounter, he contributed 15 runs to the team's total.

The remaining nine games took place in 2024 against New Zealand's school team and Ireland. It's difficult to gauge his performance against these teams. To truly evaluate his abilities, we need to observe how he performs against stronger opposition He effectively fulfilled his role against weaker teams where others had struggled.

if we even break the 9 2024 games in the first game he scored 15, coming in the 5th over

the 2nd game he scored a 50 and he came in when we lost 2 early wickets score was 10/2 and he came in the 2nd over

the 3rd game he scored 19 and the 4th game he scored a 9, in the 5th game he scored 33

now coming in the 6th game he scored 61 when again we lost 2 early wickets, he came in the 4th over when the score was 40/2

in the 7th game he scored a 43 coming in the 14th over and then in the 8th 20 coming in the 14th over again

in the 9th game he scored a 78 coming in the 2nd over when the score was 13/2

this clearly shows if you want big score from fakhar of 50's 60's 70's he need to be coming in early overs

You're wrong and I'll tell you why.

Even if we take out the three innings you mentioned, Fakhar still has a better SR and average at No. 4 than he does opening the batting.

If you subtract those three innings, Fakhar has an average of 25.71 and a SR of 141.94 batting at Number 4.

You also seem to misunderstand the role of a No.4 batter. The role of a No. 4 batter (or any middle-order T20 batter) is more about playing impactful knocks than playing big knocks that don't really benefit us in any way. When you lose early wickets, you have no other choice. But I look at his knocks of 24(8), 33(16) and 43 (33) as evidence that he is even better suited to the No.4 position in T20s. Btw we won all three of those matches.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

@RedwoodOriginal

replied to someone already on this topic



Now is the time to refute the claim that Fakhar Zaman is a number 4 batsman. This assertion is propagated by fans of Rizwan, allowing him the opportunity to consistently open and boost his batting average.

Fakhar has featured in 12 matches batting at the fourth position, with three of them occurring in 2021.

In the initial match, he recorded a score of 0. In the subsequent game, he managed 26 runs, entering the field when the score was already at 175. Finally, in the third encounter, he contributed 15 runs to the team's total.

The remaining nine games took place in 2024 against New Zealand's school team and Ireland. It's difficult to gauge his performance against these teams. To truly evaluate his abilities, we need to observe how he performs against stronger opposition He effectively fulfilled his role against weaker teams where others had struggled.

if we even break the 9 2024 games in the first game he scored 15, coming in the 5th over

the 2nd game he scored a 50 and he came in when we lost 2 early wickets score was 10/2 and he came in the 2nd over

the 3rd game he scored 19 and the 4th game he scored a 9, in the 5th game he scored 33

now coming in the 6th game he scored 61 when again we lost 2 early wickets, he came in the 4th over when the score was 40/2

in the 7th game he scored a 43 coming in the 14th over and then in the 8th 20 coming in the 14th over again

in the 9th game he scored a 78 coming in the 2nd over when the score was 13/2

this clearly shows if you want big score from fakhar of 50's 60's 70's he need to be coming in early overs

Also worth noting here that in the three innings in which Fakhar came in the powerplay overs, Pakistan were in doldrums at 2 down. There was significant pressure on Fakhar to play a match-changing innings and to his credit, he did just that.

When Fakhar opens the batting, he does not come in with a similar scenario. And Fakhar being a big-match player actually seems to thrive in pressure situations which is why is crucial to have him in the middle order because we have no one as good at 4 and beyond.

 

[ads101]

Doing an incredible job at 4 now. 30 average at sr 160. Truly great. And fills a hole at four which is difficult to get a good batsman.

What’s more Fakhar is getting older. If there is potential to move him to middle order we might get more years out of him than previously thought.

If we now have a solid 3 and 4. Then fix our opening problems, we will have a strong top 4. Which will make batting much easier than relying on two guys to score runs.

This has always been the problem. Whether they have faults or not, you need more than two performing batsmen in a team. Otherwise it just doesn’t work.

 

[Rana]

Ohhhh God

“forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing”

 

[mominsaigol]

Doing an incredible job at 4 now. 30 average at sr 160. Truly great. And fills a hole at four which is difficult to get a good batsman.

What’s more Fakhar is getting older. If there is potential to move him to middle order we might get more years out of him than previously thought.

If we now have a solid 3 and 4. Then fix our opening problems, we will have a strong top 4. Which will make batting much easier than relying on two guys to score runs.

This has always been the problem. Whether they have faults or not, you need more than two performing batsmen in a team. Otherwise it just doesn’t work.

Fakhar is getting older so playing him in the middle order, we might get more years put of him then we thought?

What kind of logic is this? Then why tf is he opening in odi? Which is a longer format and has more deliveries to face and required longer periods of time to stay at the crease and may involve more injuries due to diving and running between the wickets? Or having more opportunities to have concussion checks due to the ball hitting the helmet?

These comments are getting ridiculous.

 

[emranabbas]

You're wrong and I'll tell you why.

Even if we take out the three innings you mentioned, Fakhar still has a better SR and average at No. 4 than he does opening the batting.

If you subtract those three innings, Fakhar has an average of 25.71 and a SR of 141.94 batting at Number 4.

You also seem to misunderstand the role of a No.4 batter. The role of a No. 4 batter (or any middle-order T20 batter) is more about playing impactful knocks than playing big knocks that don't really benefit us in any way. When you lose early wickets, you have no other choice. But I look at his knocks of 24(8), 33(16) and 43 (33) as evidence that he is even better suited to the No.4 position in T20s. Btw we won all three of those matches.

I'm not mistaken; what you're saying is ideal for ODIs and Tests.

In Tests and ODIs, the strategy of seeing off the new ball is effective, followed by the middle-order batsmen stepping in to play significant innings.

However, in T20s, it's different. The initial 6 overs constitute the powerplay, with a rule allowing only 2 fielders outside the 30-yard circle.

Often, you'll come across statistics focusing on the first 6 overs and the final powerplay since that's when the majority of runs are scored aggressively.

In T20s, the opener's role is to capitalize on the powerplay, playing aggressively to exploit the field restrictions with the majority of fielders inside the circle.

When observing other teams in T20 matches, they typically adopt an aggressive approach. Pakistan, on the other hand, tends to play T20s more like ODIs, focusing on seeing off the new ball. To compete effectively with other teams, Pakistan needs to embrace the same level of aggression seen in other teams' approaches.

 

[emranabbas]

Doing an incredible job at 4 now. 30 average at sr 160. Truly great. And fills a hole at four which is difficult to get a good batsman.

What’s more Fakhar is getting older. If there is potential to move him to middle order we might get more years out of him than previously thought.

If we now have a solid 3 and 4. Then fix our opening problems, we will have a strong top 4. Which will make batting much easier than relying on two guys to score runs.

This has always been the problem. Whether they have faults or not, you need more than two performing batsmen in a team. Otherwise it just doesn’t work.

What on earth have I just read

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I'm not mistaken; what you're saying is ideal for ODIs and Tests.

In Tests and ODIs, the strategy of seeing off the new ball is effective, followed by the middle-order batsmen stepping in to play significant innings.

However, in T20s, it's different. The initial 6 overs constitute the powerplay, with a rule allowing only 2 fielders outside the 30-yard circle.

Often, you'll come across statistics focusing on the first 6 overs and the final powerplay since that's when the majority of runs are scored aggressively.

In T20s, the opener's role is to capitalize on the powerplay, playing aggressively to exploit the field restrictions with the majority of fielders inside the circle.

When observing other teams in T20 matches, they typically adopt an aggressive approach. Pakistan, on the other hand, tends to play T20s more like ODIs, focusing on seeing off the new ball. To compete effectively with other teams, Pakistan needs to embrace the same level of aggression seen in other teams' approaches.

The only person who seems fixated on the powerplay is you. You can still hit 200+ if you don't gave a great powerplay. The middle overs are more important. And that is where you especially need a batter like Fakhar who can find the boundaries at will when he's on-song.

You also have to keep in mind that Babar, Rizwan and Saim Ayub don't fit anywhere else, but in the Top 3. Fakhar Zaman does. And what's more, his numbers as opener have reinforced the fact that he should not be opening in T20s because he has actually underperformed in that position. Whereas, at number 4 he has done quite well so far.

 

[emranabbas]

Fakhar is getting older so playing him in the middle order, we might get more years put of him then we thought?

What kind of logic is this? Then why tf is he opening in odi? Which is a longer format and has more deliveries to face and required longer periods of time to stay at the crease and may involve more injuries due to diving and running between the wickets? Or having more opportunities to have concussion checks due to the ball hitting the helmet?

These comments are getting ridiculous.

We should have moved saeed anwar to the middle, could have got more years out of him.
Missed out big time

 

[Rana]

You also have to keep in mind that Babar, Rizwan and Saim Ayub don't fit anywhere else, but in the Top 3.

Once again you reiterate Babar and Rizwan are T20 liabilities

Also, I don’t think it’s rocket science to work out Saim only fits in as an opener and nothing else.

 

[Rana]

We should have moved saeed anwar to the middle, could have got more years out of him.
Missed out big time

Who was it that I told…if Finn Allen was to play for Pakistan, they would move him to 3 or 4….and there would be fans who love Misbah Ul Haq that would argue it’s Fin Allen’s best position

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Once again you reiterate Babar and Rizwan are T20 liabilities

Also, I don’t think it’s rocket science to work out Saim only fits in as an opener and nothing else.

Do you have a point? Or are you just desperate for some more attention again?

 

[Rana]

Do you have a point? Or are you just desperate for some more attention again?

Yes I think you should be honest and admit Rizwan and Babar are T20 liabilities.

Say it. Be brave.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yes I think you should be honest and admit Rizwan and Babar are T20 liabilities.

Say it. Be brave.

Only after you admit that you are obsessed with Rizwan and have a voodoo doll of his that you put pins into everyday.

Also, this is a thread about Fakhar Zaman. So maybe stop talking about things that have nothing to do with this thread, like you do on every other thread.

 

[Rana]

Only after you admit that you are obsessed with Rizwan and have a voodoo doll of his that you put pins into everyday.

Also, this is a thread about Fakhar Zaman. So maybe stop talking about things that have nothing to do with this thread, like you do on every other thread.

I am obsessed with seeing him gone from T20 cricket yes

I don’t have a voodoo doll though because I don’t need black magic for him to hurt himself. He can do that by just running hard.

So now go on, admit that your argument is that they are T20 liabilities

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I am obsessed with seeing him gone from T20 cricket yes

I don’t have a voodoo doll though because I don’t need black magic for him to hurt himself. He can do that by just running hard.

So now go on, admit that your argument is that they are T20 liabilities

Yeah I don't think I'll be doing that seeing how you decided to lie. But hey, keep trying. You never know.

 

[Rana]

Yeah I don't think I'll be doing that seeing how you decided to lie. But hey, keep trying. You never know.

You don’t have to do anything. Keep making justifications for them, the truth will be in those justifications. I’ll provide the context on your behalf.

“They are liabilities but I won’t admit they are liabilities because Rana will be proven right”.

 

[emranabbas]

The only person who seems fixated on the powerplay is you. You can still hit 200+ if you don't gave a great powerplay. The middle overs are more important. And that is where you especially need a batter like Fakhar who can find the boundaries at will when he's on-song.

You also have to keep in mind that Babar, Rizwan and Saim Ayub don't fit anywhere else, but in the Top 3. Fakhar Zaman does. And what's more, his numbers as opener have reinforced the fact that he should not be opening in T20s because he has actually underperformed in that position. Whereas, at number 4 he has done quite well so far.

The core of the debate is that we're adjusting other players' positions to accommodate Babar and Rizwan in the team, even though they aren't considered T20 players. Some question why they don't specialize in ODIs and Tests instead of trying to excel in all three formats. This compromise jeopardizes our winning chances just to cater to these two individuals.

 

[mominsaigol]

Yeah I don't think I'll be doing that seeing how you decided to lie. But hey, keep trying. You never know.

Babar is out of form, Rizwan is good while chasing a liability while batting first. Fakhar is useless if he comes anywhere after the PP, the PP is the best time for him to settle down.

 

[daytrader]

I am obsessed with seeing him gone from T20 cricket yes

I don’t have a voodoo doll though because I don’t need black magic for him to hurt himself. He can do that by just running hard.

So now go on, admit that your argument is that they are T20 liabilities

Not gonna happen Rana G, voodoo doll or gider singhi. Give it 2 years and Rizwan will be naturally out of the team. You can rejoice then

 

[Rana]

Fakhar is useless if he comes anywhere after the PP, the PP is the best time for him to settle down.

Personally I don’t think that’s acceptable for Fakhar. He needs to play the powerplay like he would once having had his 4-5 ball sighters that he has mentally told himself that he needs.

He should face up first ball, see what the new ball is doing 2-3 balls max and then go hell for leather. That’s what Warner does. He gives himself 3-4 balls max

 

[Rana]

Not gonna happen Rana G, voodoo doll or gider singhi. Give it 2 years and Rizwan will be naturally out of the team. You can rejoice then

And then the prodigal son Haseebullah will be shoved down our throats?

There has to be a customary panauti in the Pakistan team. This is our Quota system that we are cursed with.

 

[mominsaigol]

Personally I don’t think that’s acceptable for Fakhar. He needs to play the powerplay like he would once having had his 4-5 ball sighters that he has mentally told himself that he needs.

He should face up first ball, see what the new ball is doing 2-3 balls max and then go hell for leather. That’s what Warner does. He gives himself 3-4 balls max

Fakhar won't. The biggest problem that all fakhsr fans have to deal with is that he starts the same way as rizwan and babar do unfortunately.

However he makes it for it and exceeds the RR by miles if he just gets set.

Rizwan and babar cant do that.

All of fakhar's odi centuries and his t20 50's involve a massive excess of runs compared to balls played.

Whereas with babar and rizwan in odi its always 50 of 65-70 and in t20 perpetually stuck at 50 of 40-45 balls

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar won't. The biggest problem that all fakhsr fans have to deal with is that he starts the same way as rizwan and babar do unfortunately.

However he makes it for it and exceeds the RR by miles if he just gets set.

Rizwan and babar cant do that.

All of fakhar's odi centuries and his t20 50's involve a massive excess of runs compared to balls played.

Whereas with babar and rizwan in odi its always 50 of 65-70 and in t20 perpetually stuck at 50 of 40-45 balls

@Rana Just FYI, to give you context, Fakhar's slowest 100 is of 92 balls in odi.

 

[Rana]

Fakhar won't. The biggest problem that all fakhsr fans have to deal with is that he starts the same way as rizwan and babar do unfortunately.

However he makes it for it and exceeds the RR by miles if he just gets set.

Rizwan and babar cant do that.

All of fakhar's odi centuries and his t20 50's involve a massive excess of runs compared to balls played.

Whereas with babar and rizwan in odi its always 50 of 65-70 and in t20 perpetually stuck at 50 of 40-45 balls

You are right. I wish I could get a hold of Fakhar somewhere and try telling him to please let go of this KPK cricket mentality of “I need 10 balls to settle in”.

 

[Rana]

@Rana Just FYI, to give you context, Fakhar's slowest 100 is of 92 balls in odi.

Who was the lucky team that didn’t get Fakhared for 190+ in the next 35 balls?

 

[Rana]

Looking back at it now, India were extremely lucky Fakhar didn’t double up in the CT final. He was well set on that Oval road

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I was wondering if somehow Usman Khan comes into the playing 11 which position will he play? Because to me the 4th position is the best one for Fakhar and Usman can't play much lower down the order. So whom are you going to replace him with?

 

[Rana]

I was wondering if somehow Usman Khan comes into the playing 11 which position will he play? Because to me the 4th position is the best one for Fakhar and Usman can't play much lower down the order. So whom are you going to replace him with?

Usman Khan, Fakhar Zaman, Saim Ayub and Azam Khan

That’s your 4 best T20 batsmen in this squad. Slot them in. Kick out Rizwan and Iftikhar. Let Babar bat at 3.

 

[mominsaigol]

Who was the lucky team that didn’t get Fakhared for 190+ in the next 35 balls?

So ig I was wrong, my bad, but here's the list

List of all of fakhar's centuries

1) 114 of 106 India
2) 117 of 129 balls Zimbabwe
3) 210 of 156 Zimbabwe
4) 138 of 136 England
5) 193 of 155 South Africa
6) 101 of 104 Sputh Africa
7) 109 of 109 Nedtherlands
8) 101 of 122 new Zealand
9) 117 of 114 New Zealand
10) 180 of 144 New Zealand
11) 126 of 81 New Zealand

 

[mominsaigol]

I was wondering if somehow Usman Khan comes into the playing 11 which position will he play? Because to me the 4th position is the best one for Fakhar and Usman can't play much lower down the order. So whom are you going to replace him with?

He won't come in, only saim might be replaced for usman at opening and babar could say lack of form is the reason.

 

[Rana]

So ig I was wrong, my bad, but here's the list

List of all of fakhar's centuries

1) 114 of 106 India
2) 117 of 129 balls Zimbabwe
3) 210 of 156 Zimbabwe
4) 138 of 136 England
5) 193 of 155 South Africa
6) 101 of 104 Sputh Africa
7) 109 of 109 Nedtherlands
8) 101 of 122 new Zealand
9) 117 of 114 New Zealand
10) 180 of 144 New Zealand
11) 126 of 81 New Zealand

Kiwi Zaman

 

[Rana]

Babar’s 150* v Nepal

GOAT white ball innings

 

[mominsaigol]

Kiwi Zaman

He's clearly the greatest OPENER we've ever had lol for the past decade and actually more tbf.

 

[Rana]

He's clearly the greatest OPENER we've ever had lol for the past decade and actually more tbf.

He needs a big one against Australia! I want to see him smash 200 against them!

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar’s 150* v Nepal

GOAT white ball innings

His centuries pre 2022 were actually good in odi.

Babar azam is not a bad player my dude. Nut he deserves to be dropped.

From 2022 till now he's basically just a pindi basher. A complete tail ender overseas.

 

[mominsaigol]

He needs a big one against Australia! I want to see him smash 200 against them!

Possible, he's the only player who can have Pakistan beat Australia lol, otherwise game over.

 

[Rana]

Possible, he's the only player who can have Pakistan beat Australia lol, otherwise game over.

Pakistan opened with Imam and Abdullah at Bangluru against Australia with Fakhar on the bench.

Babar Azam should be tried by the international court of justice for this.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan opened with Imam and Abdullah at Bangluru against Australia with Fakhar on the bench.

Babar Azam should be tried by the international court of justice for this.

Imo, I have high hopes for Abdullah and saud.

Abdullah early on already has a test 200 and an odi 100 on a world cup stage. Something which took babar 4 years to achieve. Actually babar in test doesn't have a 200.

He cam basically be a superior version to babar, but atm he ain't their.

The thing is his footwork is good, timing and technique is good, he just gets caught napping and has slow reactions at times. But the best part is that he wants to improve sr.

He's trying so hard to get 90+ sr in List A atm. And he's willing to bat at no 3 in t20 or even no 4. Anywhere from 1 to 4 in any format. He's not stubborn like babar although he's still filled with ego.

 

[cricketmania22]

Fakhar Zaman is a slow starter. As an opener, generally, he consumes too many balls before he gets going. However, once he gets into his groove then he’s completely a different player. So, I think the number 4 might be the best spot for him where he can get into spinners and get moving.

 

[Energy]

So ig I was wrong, my bad, but here's the list

List of all of fakhar's centuries

1) 114 of 106 India
2) 117 of 129 balls Zimbabwe
3) 210 of 156 Zimbabwe
4) 138 of 136 England
5) 193 of 155 South Africa
6) 101 of 104 Sputh Africa
7) 109 of 109 Nedtherlands
8) 101 of 122 new Zealand
9) 117 of 114 New Zealand
10) 180 of 144 New Zealand
11) 126 of 81 New Zealand

Why are you bringing up statistics when you don't want to believe the same in T20Is?

For information, last 3 years in ODIs:
-Babar - 57 avg, 89 SR
-Fakhar - 42 avg, 87 SR
-Rizwan - 53 avg, 93 SR

Fakhar isn't an earth shattering batsman. Yes he gets going in some games and gets heavy scores. But saying he plays periodically faster than others is a categoric lie.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Fakhar Zaman is a slow starter. As an opener, generally, he consumes too many balls before he gets going. However, once he gets into his groove then he’s completely a different player. So, I think the number 4 might be the best spot for him where he can get into spinners and get moving.

For ODI, he is a perfect opener but for t20s, yes he is doing good at number 4 and will keep playing at 4 now moving forward. In Odis he should open with Abdullah.

 

[cricketmania22]

For ODI, he is a perfect opener but for t20s, yes he is doing good at number 4 and will keep playing at 4 now moving forward. In Odis he should open with Abdullah.

Yea I meant T20s. In ODIs he should open.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Do you guys still want him to open?

Strike rate of 160 and 3 50+ scores in 12 games and one of them was a march winning inning. Not gonna move him from number 4 spot.

 

[mominsaigol]

Why are you bringing up statistics when you don't want to believe the same in T20Is?

For information, last 3 years in ODIs:
-Babar - 57 avg, 89 SR
-Fakhar - 42 avg, 87 SR
-Rizwan - 53 avg, 93 SR

Fakhar isn't an earth shattering batsman. Yes he gets going in some games and gets heavy scores. But saying he plays periodically faster than others is a categoric lie.

I'm bringing up his century list lol.

 

[Energy]

I'm bringing up his century list lol.

The context of your post is with respect to SR. Don't run away now that his SR is exposed and is inferior to Rizwan, despite the former batting in the PP.

 

[mominsaigol]

The context of your post is with respect to SR. Don't run away now that his SR is exposed and is inferior to Rizwan, despite the former batting in the PP.

Oh, you're referring to that.

Fakhar Zaman has not opened for 4 years and has the same situation as inad wasim where both are great at odi but have not transitioned that form into t20. Similar observations have been made with players like SKY.

However unlike SKY who has like a billion replacements of similar mould players like rinku Singh, Pakistan does not and will never find another fakhar zaman, Atleast not for a while, a player who can score massively big scores.

Case in point, you don't claim let's move such and such a player at no 4. It'll be like saying hey let's have rizwan open instead of rohit and push rohit to 4. Rohit was terrible innt20 in 2022, infact his sr and avg were the lowest ampung all, imagine if India removed him? Kohli and everyone still backed him.

You gotta keep opening with fakhar and hope he comes good because when he does he'll win you the game whereas rizwan wont and will bottle it in pressure case in point: Asia cup final.

Fakhar has not opened in 4 years. Are you honestly telling me someone like him wouldn't have performed in those said 4 years on a few occasions and produced match winning spells?

Rizwan and babar have opened consistently for 4 years and despite being good for chasing, as batting first these 2 doofus's are horrible overseas or in any tournament. Pakistan under these 2 cannot structure an innings, a fact that every commentator has memed babar for saying

GEE HAR GAME MEIN MEI 10 RUNS SHORT THA.

 

[emranabbas]

Fakhar Zaman is a slow starter. As an opener, generally, he consumes too many balls before he gets going. However, once he gets into his groove then he’s completely a different player. So, I think the number 4 might be the best spot for him where he can get into spinners and get moving.

But the big scores that came at number 4 were when we lost early wickets and fakhar had to come and bat in the power play

Do people even watch the game or just look at the batting 4 position

 

[Energy]

Oh, you're referring to that.

Fakhar Zaman has not opened for 4 years and has the same situation as inad wasim where both are great at odi but have not transitioned that form into t20. Similar observations have been made with players like SKY.

However unlike SKY who has like a billion replacements of similar mould players like rinku Singh, Pakistan does not and will never find another fakhar zaman, Atleast not for a while, a player who can score massively big scores.

Case in point, you don't claim let's move such and such a player at no 4. It'll be like saying hey let's have rizwan open instead of rohit and push rohit to 4. Rohit was terrible innt20 in 2022, infact his sr and avg were the lowest ampung all, imagine if India removed him? Kohli and everyone still backed him.

You gotta keep opening with fakhar and hope he comes good because when he does he'll win you the game whereas rizwan wont and will bottle it in pressure case in point: Asia cup final.

Fakhar has not opened in 4 years. Are you honestly telling me someone like him wouldn't have performed in those said 4 years on a few occasions and produced match winning spells?

Rizwan and babar have opened consistently for 4 years and despite being good for chasing, as batting first these 2 doofus's are horrible overseas or in any tournament. Pakistan under these 2 cannot structure an innings, a fact that every commentator has memed babar for saying

GEE HAR GAME MEIN MEI 10 RUNS SHORT THA.

Fakhar hasn't opened in 4 years but opened in the 2-3 years before that period. How many games did he win the bat?

 

[Rana]

Oh here we go…

Fakhar starts slow in the powerplay so let’s play him in the middle where Pakistan has run rate problems

 

[mominsaigol]

Fakhar hasn't opened in 4 years but opened in the 2-3 years before that period. How many games did he win the bat?

Fakhar zaman's highest score in t20 is 91, which came during opening, which is a gane Pakistan won through and through. Infact he played this innings against Australia and had a 153 sr while playing.

Every record shoes that even fakhar during no 4, performs best when he enters in the PP. Not outside the PP.

I ask again, Fakhar on odi is an opener who has gun performances correct? But he's struggled to replicate it on t20? Correct? Now genuine question, would you replace SKY in odi at no 6, for Rizwan? Or would you replace Sky for rinku Singh?

Should India follow the Pakistan philosophy and have someone slow as mollasses replace Sky?

If you think fakhar is poor then fine, choose an aggressive opener, saim ayub was the right idea bit he can't kick off, Usman Khan is another right idea but he can't kick off.

In what basis is rizzu an accumulator, and a bottler replacing him? I don't think people understand how small these boundaries are, how slow these 115KPH pacers are. The fact that Pakistan is struggling shows the pathetic standards, as well as how people are doing bharangra over Azam Khan.

As I said, wanna replace fakhar as an opening bat? Sure. What basis does an opening batsmen bat at no 4?

 

[emranabbas]

First off kindly stay on topic and answer the questions I raised and asked you. Secondly

Fakhar zaman's highest score in t20 is 91, which came during opening, which is a gane Pakistan won through and through. Infact he played this innings against Australia and had a 153 sr while playing.

Every record shoes that even fakhar during no 4, performs best when he enters in the PP. Not outside the PP.

This whole no 4 nonsense needs to stop. Think very carefully and logically. I ask again, Fakhar on odi is an opener who has gun performances correct? But he's struggled to replicate it on t20? Correct? Now genuine question, would you replace SKY in odi at no 6, for Rizwan? Or would you replace Sky for rinku Singh?

Should India follow the Pakistan philosophy and have someone slow as mollasses replace Sky?

If you think fakhar is poor then fine, choose an aggressive opener, saim ayub was the right idea bit he can't kick off, Usman Khan is another right idea but he can't kick off.

In what basis is rizzu an accumulator, and a bottler replacing him? I don't think people understand how small these boundaries are, how slow these 115KPH pacers are. The fact that Pakistan is struggling shows the pathetic standards, as well as how people are doing bharangra over Azam Khan.

As I said, wanna replace fakhar as an opening bat? Sure. What basis does an opening batsmen bat at no 4?

Just to accommodate rizwan we are wasting 2 batsmens, fakhar and usman

 

[mominsaigol]

Also to everyone here, I've remained quiet on this matter for a bit but let me address this.

The claim is Fakhar at opening is only slightly higher in SR then rizzu and babar while averaging worse? Correct?

Well here's the thing, when a player fails, their SR is low reflecting the failure. In t20, you can have

A) Low SR and Low avg due to failures.
B) High SR and low avg due to short term cameos
C) High avg and High SR due to consistent performances.

I've never once come across players who have High avg but abysmal SR's in t20 besides rizzj and babar. This means that rizwan is consistently performing but accumulating at slow paces.

Infact anytime fakhar has performed in t20 be it opening, no 3 or no 4( Again key word performances only, not failures) his sr reaches 150+ everytime. Previous game was an example, his 55 of 32 in the Australia semi final at no 3 is an example as well.

Babar and rizwan barely and I repeat barely ever cross the 140 mark. Yes they've done it a few times especially against minnow c string bowling sides but how many 50's in t20 should I list for these 2?

I guarantee you you'll get atleast 15+ performances in which they've made 50 of 40 scores. And most of those scores gave caused losses, the biggest example being the asia cup final where rizwan scored 55 of 49 and chacha scored 32 of 31.

In that game Sri lanka bowled 11 wides before the first ball even was bowled bringing the target from 168 to 157. Despite this 11 RR advantage, By the time rizzu and chacha departed, Pakistan needed 60 of 24 to win with a pathetic non existent lower order and brand new bats coming at the crease?