[VIDEOS] Fakhar Zaman - Pakistan's most frustrating batter?

[Rana]

Just to accommodate rizwan we are wasting 2 batsmens, fakhar and usman

These fans will tell you it is Fakhar and Usman who should be thankful they get to play with the great Rizwan who is the backbone of this team







Hahahahaahahahhaahhaha

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The core of the debate is that we're adjusting other players' positions to accommodate Babar and Rizwan in the team, even though they aren't considered T20 players. Some question why they don't specialize in ODIs and Tests instead of trying to excel in all three formats. This compromise jeopardizes our winning chances just to cater to these two individuals.

Please don't turn this into another Babar-Rizwan debate when Fakhar Zaman's numbers as opener in T20Is are right there for everyone to see. An average of 22.55 and a SR of 136 can not really be considered better than an average of 40+ and a SR of 130 in that same position. Or even an average of 50 and a SR of 128/129.

Babar and Rizwan have their flaws but Pakistan does not have anyone better than them right now in top order positions.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please don't turn this into another Babar-Rizwan

Yes, please. Don't want this thread to be derailed and turned into rizbabar vs fakhar thread. Stay on topic.

 

[Rana]

Yes, please. Don't want this thread to be derailed and turned into rizbabar vs fakhar thread. Stay on topic.

Sir,

How can you not bring those two fraud T20 openers into the discussion? It’s the reason why Fakhar is shifted to 4

 

[emranabbas]

Please don't turn this into another Babar-Rizwan debate when Fakhar Zaman's numbers as opener in T20Is are right there for everyone to see. An average of 22.55 and a SR of 136 can not really be considered better than an average of 40+ and a SR of 130 in that same position. Or even an average of 50 and a SR of 128/129.

Babar and Rizwan have their flaws but Pakistan does not have anyone better than them right now in top order positions.

No point arguing until you start watching real time cricket on TV and understand the real time issues we have in the powerplay

And the classic line "we don't have anyone else"

Why should we go by your gut feeling?

How many openers have been tried on the last 2 years other than harris (4 games) and saim ayub

 

[BouncerGuy]

Sir,

How can you not bring those two fraud T20 openers into the discussion? It’s the reason why Fakhar is shifted to 4

Sir, why fakhar failed in PSL then as an opener? Why not perform there and show what you got? There was no babar and rizwan there to replace him. He failed big time.

That is why there is no comparison needed anymore.

 

[Energy]

Fakhar zaman's highest score in t20 is 91, which came during opening, which is a gane Pakistan won through and through. Infact he played this innings against Australia and had a 153 sr while playing.

Every record shoes that even fakhar during no 4, performs best when he enters in the PP. Not outside the PP.

I ask again, Fakhar on odi is an opener who has gun performances correct? But he's struggled to replicate it on t20? Correct? Now genuine question, would you replace SKY in odi at no 6, for Rizwan? Or would you replace Sky for rinku Singh?

Should India follow the Pakistan philosophy and have someone slow as mollasses replace Sky?

If you think fakhar is poor then fine, choose an aggressive opener, saim ayub was the right idea bit he can't kick off, Usman Khan is another right idea but he can't kick off.

In what basis is rizzu an accumulator, and a bottler replacing him? I don't think people understand how small these boundaries are, how slow these 115KPH pacers are. The fact that Pakistan is struggling shows the pathetic standards, as well as how people are doing bharangra over Azam Khan.

As I said, wanna replace fakhar as an opening bat? Sure. What basis does an opening batsmen bat at no 4?

Why are you bringing India into the discussion?

And why did you single out Fakhar's 91. This way I can also single out Rizwan's innings and his contribution to winning games. Which are far beyond Fakhar's contribution as opener.

The answer to why Fakhar is batting at No.4 is because he was not delivering as an opener. He was thrown out of the team for a brief period due to being mediocre, but was bought back because there is a lack of talent pool in the country. He has been showing signs of some improvement at No.4 so what is the issue?

 

[Rana]

Sir, why fakhar failed in PSL then as an opener? Why not perform there and show what you got? There was no babar and rizwan there to replace him. He failed big time.

That is why there is no comparison needed anymore.

Respectfully sir

Fakhar fired two seasons prior to it with Qalandars winning back to back trophies. How was he rewarded by Pakistan? To bat at 4? Now that he has had one bad season with them…he’s a failed opener?

 

[emranabbas]

Why are you bringing India into the discussion?

And why did you single out Fakhar's 91. This way I can also single out Rizwan's innings and his contribution to winning games. Which are far beyond Fakhar's contribution as opener.

The answer to why Fakhar is batting at No.4 is because he was not delivering as an opener. He was thrown out of the team for a brief period due to being mediocre, but was bought back because there is a lack of talent pool in the country. He has been showing signs of some improvement at No.4 so what is the issue?

But even though he's delivering at number 4 he's still coming in to play in the powerplay so what was the point in changing his position?

You number 4 position is only justified If fakhar is coming in the 8th over and performing in that position

 

[BouncerGuy]

Respectfully sir

Fakhar fired two seasons prior to it with Qalandars winning back to back trophies. How was he rewarded by Pakistan? To bat at 4? Now that he has had one bad season with them…he’s a failed opener?

Pakistan cricket team is a one-match wonder type team. You can perform in multiple games and still might not find a spot in the team but if you fail in 1 game, you will get all the criticism you can get.

This is how it works. Fakhar knew that the opening slot is pretty empty to be taken but he failed or he was already conveyed a message that he is a permanent number 4.

 

[Rana]

Pakistan cricket team is a one-match wonder type team. You can perform in multiple games and still might not find a spot in the team but if you fail in 1 game, you will get all the criticism you can get.

This is how it works. Fakhar knew that the opening slot is pretty empty to be taken but he failed or he was already conveyed a message that he is a permanent number 4.

No that’s not the reason why he is in the team and shifted to number 4.

He is there because the RrizBar con act cannot survive with this guy sitting back at home and the restless/ruthless Pakistani awaam questioning why Fakhar isn’t in the team when he is clearly your best white ball batsman of the modern era.

Fakhar is the token number 3 or 4 to keep unreal awaam pressure off RizBar.

So once again, a discussion on this subject cannot be had without the mention of those two fraud T20 openers. This is beyond cricket.

 

[Energy]

But even though he's delivering at number 4 he's still coming in to play in the powerplay so what was the point in changing his position?

You number 4 position is only justified If fakhar is coming in the 8th over and performing in that position

He is coming out in the poweplay mainly due to the dashing and dynamic bullet, Saim, can hardly score 10 runs.

When Rizwan and Babar gave you a 50/0 consistently at 130 SR, we had issues. Now that we're getting 20/2, we have issues.

 

[Rana]

He is coming out in the poweplay mainly due to the dashing and dynamic bullet, Saim, can hardly score 10 runs.

You have a problem with a youngster trying to give his team a good start in the powerplay?

 

[Energy]

You have a problem with a youngster trying to give his team a good start in the powerplay?

I didn't say its a problem. It's something that the PCB is investing in, so we need to back it irrespective of the poor results.

The post was a response to why Fakhar is batting in the powerplay.

 

[Rana]

I didn't say its a problem. It's something that the PCB is investing in, so we need to back it irrespective of the poor results.

The post was a response to why Fakhar is batting in the powerplay.

You are clearly mocking it though. You don’t want an opener that tries to be aggressive and dynamic? If he comes off, you won’t say a word. If he doesn’t, you will mock him?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No point arguing until you start watching real time cricket on TV and understand the real time issues we have in the powerplay

And the classic line "we don't have anyone else"

Why should we go by your gut feeling?

How many openers have been tried on the last 2 years other than harris (4 games) and saim ayub

Instead of living in this deluded fantasy world where people think Pakistan is a country loaded with incredible batting talent.

Saim Ayub is the best of all the young guys if you look at his performances in FC, domestic List A and PSL. And he has struggled to find his feet in international cricket so far. There's a reason why its called international cricket. It comes with a level of pressure that isn't there when you play PSL or turn up for SNGPL. And if you think we should be trying out openers one month before the World Cup, then people are even more deluded than I thought.

 

[mominsaigol]

Also to everyone here, I've remained quiet on this matter for a bit but let me address this.

The claim is Fakhar at opening is only slightly higher in SR then rizzu and babar while averaging worse? Correct?

Well here's the thing, when a player fails, their SR is low reflecting the failure. In t20, you can have

A) Low SR and Low avg due to failures.
B) High SR and low avg due to short term cameos
C) High avg and High SR due to consistent performances.

I've never once come across players who have High avg but abysmal SR's in t20 besides rizzj and babar. This means that rizwan is consistently performing but accumulating at slow paces.

Infact anytime fakhar has performed in t20 be it opening, no 3 or no 4( Again key word performances only, not failures) his sr reaches 150+ everytime. Previous game was an example, his 55 of 32 in the Australia semi final at no 3 is an example as well.

Babar and rizwan barely and I repeat barely ever cross the 140 mark. Yes they've done it a few times especially against minnow c string bowling sides but how many 50's in t20 should I list for these 2?

I guarantee you you'll get atleast 15+ performances in which they've made 50 of 40 scores. And most of those scores gave caused losses, the biggest example being the asia cup final where rizwan scored 55 of 49 and chacha scored 32 of 31.

In that game Sri lanka bowled 11 wides before the first ball even was bowled bringing the target from 168 to 157. Despite this 11 RR advantage, By the time rizzu and chacha departed, Pakistan needed 60 of 24 to win with a pathetic non existent lower order and brand new bats coming at the crease?

@Energy

What's your take on this perspective? Give an honest feedback, I don't mind if you disagree or even bash or wish to tear it apart. That's okay with me, I just wish to know your feedback.

 

[Markhor]

You have a problem with a youngster trying to give his team a good start in the powerplay?

The problem with Saim is he seemingly thinks aesthetically pleasing strokeplay counts for extra runs. These no-look, standing on one leg funky shots for social media keeps getting him into trouble and he doesn't appear to be learning.

Don't want Kirsten and Gillespie to coach the aggression out of him, but hoping they coach the immaturity out of him.

Until that happens, I would like to see Fakhar given a couple of games opening vs England just for experimentation purposes. I don't know why we're so wedded to batting positions in T20 where flexibility is key.

 

[Rana]

The problem with Saim is he seemingly thinks aesthetically pleasing strokeplay counts for extra runs. These no-look, standing on one leg funky shots for social media keeps getting him into trouble and he doesn't appear to be learning.

Don't want Kirsten and Gillespie to coach the aggression out of him, but hoping they coach the immaturity out of him.

This is a problem, yes.

What I noticed with Saim even in his training drills…

The guy watches the ball very closely on to the middle of the bat. His priority is to watch it right to the end and middle it…and doesn’t actually look at what direction he’s hit the ball. In essence, he doesn’t really take the field into account and what’s been set by the opposition. His main problem is game/field awareness. In nets it seems as if he has thrashed a ball to fine leg for a boundary but actually, he has just played it down the throat of the fine leg fielder. He needs to learn to play the field better.

Warner developed a ridiculous low crouch ramp/sweep against express pacers in the powerplay. But he doesn’t play that shot when he knows fine is on the boundary, or if the fine leg boundary is over 65m. Top class dashing openers know what shots to play according to field settings. It’s ok to look and know where you are hitting the ball. Saim needs to learn this

 

[Markhor]

This is a problem, yes.

What I noticed with Saim even in his training drills…

The guy watches the ball very closely on to the middle of the bat. His priority is to watch it right to the end and middle it…and doesn’t actually look at what direction he’s hit the ball. In essence, he doesn’t really take the field into account and what’s been set by the opposition. His main problem is game/field awareness. In nets it seems as if he has thrashed a ball to fine leg for a boundary but actually, he has just played it down the throat of the fine leg fielder. He needs to learn to play the field better.

Warner developed a ridiculous low crouch ramp/sweep against express pacers in the powerplay. But he doesn’t play that shot when he knows fine is on the boundary, or if the fine leg boundary is over 65m. Top class dashing openers know what shots to play according to field settings. It’s ok to look and know where you are hitting the ball. Saim needs to learn this

Very good analysis.

 

[Rana]

Very good analysis.

His dismissal last game too. Nothing wrong with the shot, the bowler didn’t fox him out or make him look out of his depth the way bowlers make Rizwan look ridiculous when the pitch it on 4th, 5th stump line.

The shot was good, but he played it as if he thought there was no mid wicket…you belted the ball into the car park the ball before…why try and caress it by giving it half the power on the next ball? Give it hell for leather again and it’s another 6 runs.

 

[Energy]

@Energy

What's your take on this perspective? Give an honest feedback, I don't mind if you disagree or even bash or wish to tear it apart. That's okay with me, I just wish to know your feedback.

Rizwan and Babar are below par on the SR compared to modern batters. They are good at scoring the volume of runs, but scoring slowly. It's not a catastrophe as its made out to be.

The reason they are allowed to get away, and we need to respect this, because no other Pakistan batter has come close to matching them, let alone surpass. Neither as an opener or in the middle order.

To make things worse, the other batters are finding it impossible to even average 25 consistently. So, there's no point of high SR when you can't get the runs. This is a much bigger worry for Pakistan. And one which hasn't been rectified to date.

The day Saim, Azam, Fakhar, Haris, Usman, Iftikhar give you the confidence that they can do a consistent job on the pitch (not theoretically), the focus will automatically shift away from Babar and Rizwan. Until then, they'll all be classified as inferior batters.

 

[Rana]

The reason they are allowed to get away, and we need to respect this, because no other Pakistan batter has come close to matching them, let alone surpass. Neither as an opener or in the middle order.

Alright, what does it mean to ‘match them’ or ‘surpass them’?

What is the definition of this in terms of outcome as a batter? What kind of performance from a batter surpasses two guys who have proven to be below par T20 batters?

 

[Energy]

Alright, what does it mean to ‘match them’ or ‘surpass them’?

What is the definition of this in terms of outcome as a batter? What kind of performance from a batter surpasses two guys who have proven to be below par T20 batters?

I'll make it simple.

Average 30+ at SR 140+.

 

[Rana]

I'll make it simple.

Average 30+ at SR 140+.

Yeah there is a stat going around where Fakhar averages something close to that batting at 1. What’s the issue now?

 

[Energy]

Yeah there is a stat going around where Fakhar averages something close to that batting at 1. What’s the issue now?

Don't skew things. Fakhar's average and SR as opener is below this threshold.

 

[Rana]

I'll make it simple.

Average 30+ at SR 140+.

Fin Allen;

Average: 25.7
Strike rate: 163

He should bat at number 4 because he hasn’t matched or surpassed Babar and Rizwan?

 

[Energy]

Fin Allen;

Average: 25.7
Strike rate: 163

He should bat at number 4 because he hasn’t matched or surpassed Babar and Rizwan?

Can't bring a Pakiatan example because they're all largely poor even if we go back 10 years.

NZ have their own team approach. They are OK with Allen giving them 26 runs quickly because they have 7 other batters who can do a similar job. Allen wasn't picked for the IPL and isn't the epitome of opening batsmen.

Who have Pakistan got? Single-digit averaging batsmen?

 

[Rana]

Don't skew things. Fakhar's average and SR as opener is below this threshold.

I’m not skewing anything. @RidiculousMan shared a stat where Fakhar averages 25 with a sr of 140 as number 1 (facing first ball). He is 5 runs short of your highly esteemed requirements

 

[Rana]

Can't bring a Pakiatan example because they're all largely poor even if we go back 10 years.

NZ have their own team approach. They are OK with Allen giving them 26 runs quickly because they have 7 other batters who can do a similar job. Allen wasn't picked for the IPL and isn't the epitome of opening batsmen.

Who have Pakistan got? Single-digit averaging batsmen?

So NZ play Fin Allen as an opener because he gaurentees them 26 runs?

Hahahahahahaahahahaha

 

[mominsaigol]

Rizwan and Babar are below par on the SR compared to modern batters. They are good at scoring the volume of runs, but scoring slowly. It's not a catastrophe as its made out to be.

The reason they are allowed to get away, and we need to respect this, because no other Pakistan batter has come close to matching them, let alone surpass. Neither as an opener or in the middle order.

To make things worse, the other batters are finding it impossible to even average 25 consistently. So, there's no point of high SR when you can't get the runs. This is a much bigger worry for Pakistan. And one which hasn't been rectified to date.

The day Saim, Azam, Fakhar, Haris, Usman, Iftikhar give you the confidence that they can do a consistent job on the pitch (not theoretically), the focus will automatically shift away from Babar and Rizwan. Until then, they'll all be classified as inferior batters.

It is. Let's look at our top order

Babar avg per game: 40 of 31 deliveries
Rizwan avg per game 50 of 39 deliveries
Saim ayub: 15 of 11
Fakhar: 23 of 17
Shadab: 19 of 13

So Pakistan averages 147 of 5 wickets per 18.3 overs? And if you factor in chacha coming next to face 9 deliveries where he averages a 127 sr

That means Pakistan averages 163 of 6 wickets per game?

Compare that to Australia's avg or india's avg per game it's beyond pathetic.

163 avg Is just a slightly above avg score in t20.

 

[Energy]

Well that’s got to be the dumbest response I have come across in a long time, all this to defend Rizwan?

So NZ play Fin Allen as an opener because he gaurentees them 26 runs?

Hahahahahahaahahahaha

Find a fault with the post rather than laughing. That'll add value to the conversation.

Atleast I'm defending Rizwan for his true value and contribution and not changing the goalpost from Asif Ali to Finn Allen.

 

[Energy]

It is. Let's look at our top order

Babar avg per game: 40 of 31 deliveries
Rizwan avg per game 50 of 39 deliveries
Saim ayub: 15 of 11
Fakhar: 23 of 17
Shadab: 19 of 13

So Pakistan averages 147 of 5 wickets per 18.3 overs? And if you factor in chacha coming next to face 9 deliveries where he averages a 127 sr

That means Pakistan averages 163 of 6 wickets per game?

Compare that to Australia's avg or india's avg per game it's beyond pathetic.

163 avg Is just a slightly above avg score in t20.

Yes, that's correct. In theory, Pakistan's upper limit is 180. And it's behind other teams.

 

[mominsaigol]

It is. Let's look at our top order

Babar avg per game: 40 of 31 deliveries
Rizwan avg per game 50 of 39 deliveries
Saim ayub: 15 of 11
Fakhar: 23 of 17
Shadab: 19 of 13

So Pakistan averages 147 of 5 wickets per 18.3 overs? And if you factor in chacha coming next to face 9 deliveries where he averages a 127 sr

That means Pakistan averages 163 of 6 wickets per game?

Compare that to Australia's avg or india's avg per game it's beyond pathetic.

163 avg Is just a slightly above avg score in t20.

@Rana @Energy

Australia averages 186 for 5 compared to Pakistan 163 of 6 per game.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

I don't understand why Babar never sent Fakhar to bat, I think he must be given maximum chances so he can get into rhythm before the WC.

 

[mominsaigol]

I don't understand why Babar never sent Fakhar to bat, I think he must be given maximum chances so he can get into rhythm before the WC.

Is that all?

I don't understand anything?

I don't understand why you would play 4 pacers rather then brining in an extra spinner in abrar when you've had 2 games to determine the pitch is more spin friendly then pace friendly.

I don't understand the point of having your best eco bowler in 2 games imad wasim bowl 3 overs but have abass afridi bowl 4?

I don't understand why hasan Ali hasn't been strapped on a wheelchair and kicked off a mountain by now, and how he keeps returning to the side randomly? With no explanation?

I don't understand which is higher in numbers, Chacha's age or babar stupidity levels. My guess is chacha is over a 100 year old while babar stupidity has reached over 9000.

I don't understand why Azam Khan is keeping

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Is that all?

I don't understand anything?

I don't understand why you would play 4 pacers rather then brining in an extra spinner in abrar when you've had 2 games to determine the pitch is more spin friendly then pace friendly.

I don't understand the point of having your best eco bowler in 2 games imad wasim bowl 3 overs but have abass afridi bowl 4?

I don't understand why hasan Ali hasn't been strapped on a wheelchair and kicked off a mountain by now, and how he keeps returning to the side randomly? With no explanation?

I don't understand which is higher in numbers, Chacha's age or babar stupidity levels. My guess is chacha is over a 100 year old while babar stupidity has reached over 9000.

I don't understand why Azam Khan is keeping

bas ker paglay ab rulayai ga kia?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Do you guys still want him to open?

Strike rate of 160 and 3 50+ scores in 12 games and one of them was a march winning inning. Not gonna move him from number 4 spot.

no!

at least i take my words back!

let him play where he is performing.

 

[mominsaigol]

bas ker paglay ab rulayai ga kia?

No but babar will cry again for the millionth time like he did with Zimbabwe. I shall continue to enjoy his torment.

 

[Rana]

@mominsaigol @topspin @emranabbas @Slim

As per media reports, that there is a 90% chance Fakhar will be opening the innings instead of Saim in the England series.

The guy is usually right because he is basically family friends with Babar Azam.

If this is true, looks like G Kirsten isn’t buying Misbah’s logic of Fakhar offering more as a number 4-5

 

[emranabbas]

@mominsaigol @topspin @emranabbas @Slim

As per media reports, that there is a 90% chance Fakhar will be opening the innings instead of Saim in the England series.

The guy is usually right because he is basically family friends with Babar Azam.

If this is true, looks like G Kirsten isn’t buying Misbah’s logic of Fakhar offering more as a number 4-5

I told you bro in another thread, Kirsten is not going to take rubbish infact I read somewhere he's got it in his contract that no one interferes with his job.

Is it just us 5 in the hi5 group?

 

[Rana]

I told you bro in another thread, Kirsten is not going to take rubbish infact I read somewhere he's got it in his contract that no one interferes with his job.

Is it just us 5 in the hi5 group?

These are all brothers for a right cause. People who see the truth and speak the truth.

How anyone can say Fakhar’s correct position is number 4 is beyond ridiculous. It’s as good as saying Ted Cruz is truly the Zodiac

 

[emranabbas]

These are all brothers for a right cause. People who see the truth and speak the truth.

How anyone can say Fakhar’s correct position is number 4 is beyond ridiculous. It’s as good as saying Ted Cruz is truly the Zodiac

i wont be surprised if kirsten sends both babar and rizwan to 3 and 4 or even drop one of them

 

[Rana]

i wont be surprised if kirsten sends both babar and rizwan to 3 and 4 or even drop one of them

Kirsten probably hasn’t studied us enough to make tough calls like this.

His GT team was one of the worst in the IPL and it was built on anchors (Gill, Sudharshan, Saha) in the top 3. Gill who realistically should have been their number 3 was opening. He didn’t opt for Left/Right combo by opening with Sudharshan coming in at 3.

It waits to be seen, but I don’t think he will be bold enough to take drastic decisions right now.

Fakhar opening, paired with Rizwan allows Usman Khan to come in at 4, followed by Azam and then Iftikhar.

IMO, it should be Fakhar+Saim/Usman, with Babar at 3 and Iftikhar at 4.

 

[mominsaigol]

@mominsaigol @topspin @emranabbas @Slim

As per media reports, that there is a 90% chance Fakhar will be opening the innings instead of Saim in the England series.

The guy is usually right because he is basically family friends with Babar Azam.

If this is true, looks like G Kirsten isn’t buying Misbah’s logic of Fakhar offering more as a number 4-5

ALLAH KA SHUKARRRRRRRRRRRRR.

SHABASH

 

[RidiculousMan]

@mominsaigol @topspin @emranabbas @Slim

As per media reports, that there is a 90% chance Fakhar will be opening the innings instead of Saim in the England series.

The guy is usually right because he is basically family friends with Babar Azam.

If this is true, looks like G Kirsten isn’t buying Misbah’s logic of Fakhar offering more as a number 4-5

Well well well. I hope it works for Pakistan and Fakhar's sake. I also hope that if Fakhar fails to perform as an opener. He is able to slot right back in to his performing no. 4.

I would try Usman Khan as an opener instead.

 

[mominsaigol]

Well well well. I hope it works for Pakistan and Fakhar's sake. I also hope that if Fakhar fails to perform as an opener. He is able to slot right back in to his performing no. 4.

I would try Usman Khan as an opener instead.

Genuine question, why do you all want him to fail? Why even think about if he fails?

You've seen what he can do in odi when he succeeds so why on earth would a try paliatani fan not want that form to transition into t20?

Fact of the matter is, in odi Pakistan had been riding thr fakhar train since 2017, either fakhar performs against a top side or we lose plain and simple.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Genuine question, why do you all want him to fail? Why even think about if he fails?

You've seen what he can do in odi when he succeeds so why on earth would a try paliatani fan not want that form to transition into t20?

Fact of the matter is, in odi Pakistan had been riding thr fakhar train since 2017, either fakhar performs against a top side or we lose plain and simple.

I don't want him to fail. I just look at facts, stats and reality. Which simply says that Fakhar has been performing better at no. 4 than opening in this format. He's also in form. So I wouldn't touch his position at 4.

 

[emranabbas]

I don't want him to fail. I just look at facts, stats and reality. Which simply says that Fakhar has been performing better at no. 4 than opening in this format. He's also in form. So I wouldn't touch his position at 4.

do you also watch the match or just look at stats?

 

[Cricket Warrior]

@mominsaigol @topspin @emranabbas @Slim

As per media reports, that there is a 90% chance Fakhar will be opening the innings instead of Saim in the England series.

The guy is usually right because he is basically family friends with Babar Azam.

If this is true, looks like G Kirsten isn’t buying Misbah’s logic of Fakhar offering more as a number 4-5

so saim going to be dropped or he will play in the middle order?

 

[emranabbas]

so saim going to be dropped or he will play in the middle order?

saim will be dropped if he's not playing in the top 3

 

[mominsaigol]

so saim going to be dropped or he will play in the middle order?

If he plays in the middle then he should do himself a favour and drop himself.

 

[Rana]

so saim going to be dropped or he will play in the middle order?

Looks like dropped

*im hoping Kirsten just backs him

 

[Rana]

I also hope that if Fakhar fails to perform as an opener.

Are you an Indian fan btw?

 

[Rana]

saim will be dropped if he's not playing in the top 3

This is just because of Rizwan

Any sane coach/team would open with Fakhar and Saim, with Babar at 3.

This basically makes Rizwan a liability again, the reason why he was NEVER in favour during Sarfaraz’s number 1 reign.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Looks like dropped

*im hoping Kirsten just backs him

Well, let's hope so but I think there is no other place he can bat other than the opening slot or maybe they can try him at number# 3 position against England.

 

[mominsaigol]

This is just because of Rizwan

Any sane coach/team would open with Fakhar and Saim, with Babar at 3.

This basically makes Rizwan a liability again, the reason why he was NEVER in favour during Sarfaraz’s number 1 reign.

People mad ar sarfi for dropping rizwan after those 2 100's. Lol as if he would ever warrant a place over haris sohail

 

[Rana]

Genuine question, why do you all want him to fail? Why even think about if he fails?

You've seen what he can do in odi when he succeeds so why on earth would a try paliatani fan not want that form to transition into t20?

Fact of the matter is, in odi Pakistan had been riding thr fakhar train since 2017, either fakhar performs against a top side or we lose plain and simple.

If he performs: “I hope he fails”

When he fails: “who told him to fail as an opener? Why did he fail in the PSL if he’s a good opener?Rizwan and Babar are better!”

 

[Rana]

Well, let's hope so but I think there is no other place he can bat other than the opening slot or maybe they can try him at number# 3 position against England.

No I think Babar should just clear his head from any stupid aspirations of opening and make the number 3 position his own. He’s a good batsman for this position.

If Saim isn’t opening, he is benched. End of story.

 

[emranabbas]

This is just because of Rizwan

Any sane coach/team would open with Fakhar and Saim, with Babar at 3.

This basically makes Rizwan a liability again, the reason why he was NEVER in favour during Sarfaraz’s number 1 reign.

I can accept Babar, as his strike rate has been over 140 in matches since the beginning of this year. However, Rizwan needs to be replaced he's still striking in the 130s.

 

[Rana]

I can accept Babar, as his strike rate has been over 140 in matches since the beginning of this year. However, Rizwan needs to be replaced he's still striking in the 130s.

He keeps buying time with his deceiving innings like he did against Ireland. Azam Khan showed this lot how to bat against these minnows, that’s putting actual context to the innings.

 

[emranabbas]

No I think Babar should just clear his head from any stupid aspirations of opening and make the number 3 position his own. He’s a good batsman for this position.

If Saim isn’t opening, he is benched. End of story.

yout best batsmen always plays #3 that's how it was in the 90's and 00's

 

[mominsaigol]

yout best batsmen always plays #3 that's how it was in the 90's and 00's

Yes and no, this mantra was adopted by Australia for odi.

It doesn't apply to t20. And frankly doesn't apply to odi either. Travis head is the best bat for Australia yet he's am opener.

Now Adays it's about team gelling and identifying what position is best for a person.

 

[RidiculousMan]

Are you an Indian fan btw?

Not a fan of BCCI under Jay Shah. But definitely fan of Indian Cricket. Some of my favorite all time Cricketers are Indian.

 

[RidiculousMan]

do you also watch the match or just look at stats?

I watch the matches and see if players performances align with past stats.

 

[TeymurBlake]

He keeps buying time with his deceiving innings like he did against Ireland. Azam Khan showed this lot how to bat against these minnows, that’s putting actual context to the innings.

LMAO

Rizwan, King of Deception.

 

[Concerned]

Don’t want to see Fakhar opening in T20.

Rather Usman Khan gets a chance.

Fakhar is a suitable solution to the lack of fire power the middle order has.

 

[Rana]

Don’t want to see Fakhar opening in T20.

Why? You want to see Imam ul Haq opening in T20?

 

[cricketmania22]

Fakhar shouldn’t be opening in T20s. He doesn’t use PP that well anyway. He is a slow starter and generally wastes the PP. He is doing well at number 4, so change it. If Kirsten is going to do that then that is a step in wrong direction. I would rather try UK over Fakhar.

 

[shamaan]

Fakhar shouldn’t be opening in T20s. He doesn’t use PP that well anyway. He is a slow starter and generally wastes the PP. He is doing well at number 4, so change it. If Kirsten is going to do that then that is a step in wrong direction. I would rather try UK over Fakhar.

I agree I will bat fakhar at his current position and play UK in the opening slot if they decide to drop Saim

 

[Slim]

@mominsaigol @topspin @emranabbas @Slim

As per media reports, that there is a 90% chance Fakhar will be opening the innings instead of Saim in the England series.

The guy is usually right because he is basically family friends with Babar Azam.

If this is true, looks like G Kirsten isn’t buying Misbah’s logic of Fakhar offering more as a number 4-5

Good step, but why not pair Fakhar with Saim?

 

[BouncerGuy]

Good step, but why not pair Fakhar with Saim?

Because it will be 30-2 after 6 if it happens more often. Saim has done no good so far and his place in the team will be questioned by many. Fakhar should replace saim and if it is not possible then just bring usman khan in to open and let fakhar play his number 4 spot where he has been scoring runs. No point in shuffling him from here and there too much. Fakhar looks happy at number 4 as his performances show.

 

[Slim]

Because it will be 30-2 after 6 if it happens more often. Saim has done no good so far and his place in the team will be questioned by many. Fakhar should replace saim and if it is not possible then just bring usman khan in to open and let fakhar play his number 4 spot where he has been scoring runs. No point in shuffling him from here and there too much. Fakhar looks happy at number 4 as his performances show.

Wickets do no matter in t20is, and why do you think it would be 30-2 with fakhar and saim and not with rizwan? Ireland is an associate team, let me know if rizwan plays the same way against england.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Wickets do no matter in t20is, and why do you think it would be 30-2 with fakhar and saim and not with rizwan? Ireland is an associate team, let me know if rizwan plays the same way against england.

What stopped saim from performing against an associate team? nobody.

Just bring fakhar up top if you really want him to open otherwise he is doing better than many at number 4. With a team like Pakistan, wickets do matter because they crumble too easily if pressure comes.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What about trying Fakhar with Rizwan or Saim at top? Because may be Saim gets out early to make things easier for others or may be because of his foolish no look shot.

 

[mominsaigol]

What stopped saim from performing against an associate team? nobody.

Just bring fakhar up top if you really want him to open otherwise he is doing better than many at number 4. With a team like Pakistan, wickets do matter because they crumble too easily if pressure comes.

For no 4 you need middle order batters. Not openers to play MO for you.

Tayyab tahir would be the perfect replacement for haris sohail who was gun at no 4 for us.

People are sleeping on tayyab. In the acc emerging cup, Saim was horrible in that cup, he failed lol, Tayyab dominated the entire cup.

Saim is good in psl, otherwise Indian players who are just finding their way into IPL amd atm would make India's c to d string, not even their b string were dealing with saim easily.

Afghanistan in acc emerging cup played nearly full strength.

Tayyab had like 3 games in international where he failed yes but that such a small sample size compared to how many games saim has gotten.

 

[BouncerGuy]

For no 4 you need middle order batters. Not openers to play MO for you.

Tayyab tahir would be the perfect replacement for haris sohail who was gun at no 4 for us.

People are sleeping on tayyab. In the acc emerging cup, Saim was horrible in that cup, he failed lol, Tayyab dominated the entire cup.

Saim is good in psl, otherwise Indian players who are just finding their way into IPL amd atm would make India's c to d string, not even their b string were dealing with saim easily.

Afghanistan in acc emerging cup played nearly full strength.

Tayyab had like 3 games in international where he failed yes but that such a small sample size compared to how many games saim has gotten.

If fakhar was struggling at that number, I would have definitely said that he needs to bat up the order like open, but he is doing so well that I doubt that a guy like Tayyab can match his impact and stats. Fakhar has molded himself for that role nicely and I don't think he is going anywhere until PCB decides to leave saim out for Fakhar to open again.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Fakhar struggles outside Power Play and we got another demo today.

 

[Rana]

Great number 4 hahahaahaaahahahhahahaaahahaahah

So Rizwan can carry on opening

 

[pakistani pride]

Clearly today shows how he struggles to get going from the get go.
We have Captain fantastic hogging on the opening slot.