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Let me just be clear, this is not a knee jerk reaction.
It is the truth that Haris is being overrated.
He is a good bowler but not the world beater people are calling him.

Firstly, in the BBL he failed to take wickets when it really mattered and whenever he took wickets, they didn't really have any effect on the outcome of the game. He was economical but that's all.
He failed in the Final when it mattered the most. I let him off because i thought it was a one-off before but after this final it was obvious to me that it wasn't.

Secondly, as i've already mentioned, his wickets were pretty meaningless. At one point he was the highest wicket taker but i saw an article by Cricinfo where he was not even in the top 5 when they ordered the wicket takers in the order of the impact their wickets had on the game.

Also, he bowled pretty average against BD too. No real upfront wickets taken by him. Here again in the PSL, he's failed twice in as many matches, conceding 40+ in each.

So obviously this wasn't a one-off. He is a good bowler no doubt but he's clearly not as good as people are making him out to be.

I heavily doubt that he's the solution to our bowling woes in T20i cricket.
 
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I'd be very happy to be proven wrong as that would help my team (LQ) and Pakistan but this is what i think at the moment
 
That's what happens when you overrate performance in a third class league like BBL. I'd understand if he had performed better in IPL or even CPL but the standard of BBL is pathetic.
 
Yes this is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Tell me again how many matches he played in PSL again?
 
dhump said:
Yes this is not a knee-jerk reaction.

Tell me again how many matches he played in PSL again?
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Don't forget to add the BBL final.

Also, we're talking about overrating here. If he was THAT good, he would have won at least one of the three very important matches he's played. Let alone winning, the guy contributed to the loss of all three matches. he conceded 40+ in the two he played 4 overs in and 36 with NO wickets in the Final of the BBL.

Definitely a world class bowler
 
I thought he had turn things around in the BBL.

Same old Rauf.

He thinks he is a superstar in his head.

We have seen nothing special yet from him.
 
Why pick on Rauf?

I think he played well.

We need to identify players who are poor in LQ, and Rauf is certainly not one of them.
 
gazza619 said:
Why pick on Rauf?

I think he played well.

We need to identify players who are poor in LQ, and Rauf is certainly not one of them.
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not trying to pick on him but a player of his supposed "calibre" should do better than conceding 40 runs twice in a row in the first two matches of his team's PSL and should not have been one of the reasons why his team lost the BBL cup
 
He still has to learn a lot.He is still new to cricket.He has pace but he gets carried away.To be fair the pitch got better in the second innings for batting so it was not easy to get wickets.He also had problems gripping the ball due to moister so he couldn't bowl yorkers.He should learn from SSA who is getting better by the day.His pace has gone up,he swings the ball and has good yorker.
 
I haven’t seen anyone call him a world class bowler, the most I’ve seen is that he is needed in the attack for the wt20. Also, from what I’ve seen, he’s better at the death hence him being more economical.
 
He isn't over or under rated, we don't know enough about him to really rate him at all.

He was exceptional in the Big Bash, we'll see how he does in the PSL.
 
No. His skill set is great. He was down on pace, probably playing with a niggle hence the execution suffered.
He is allowed a bad game, you know.
 
coy0607 said:
He isn't over or under rated, we don't know enough about him to really rate him at all.

He was exceptional in the Big Bash, we'll see how he does in the PSL.
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Not exceptional. He lost them the final with his filth
 
ethan hunt said:
No. His skill set is great. He was down on pace, probably playing with a niggle hence the execution suffered.
He is allowed a bad game, you know.
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A bad game?
The guy has had three consecutive high-level games where he's gone for over 10 per over.
 
I think it was more oohing and aahing over bowling speeds iirc rather than actual bowling abilities.
 
Not to forget he has never played this much hard ball cricket in his life as he has done in past 2-3 months so obviously his body had to take some time to adapt.

He definitely needs to work on his consistency there is no doubt about that, wasnt that great in National T20 cup but did well in BBL. He is a wicket taker on his day and I like the skills he has, with some outswing with new ball, decent slower ball and bouncer, can reverse it and can ball yorkers. Yes execution needs to be worked on as well as fitness and as said earlier his body is still adjusting to playing so much hard ball cricket in last few months.

Still early days for him and he is still learning.
 
Titan24 said:
Not to forget he has never played this much hard ball cricket in his life as he has done in past 2-3 months so obviously his body had to take some time to adapt.

He definitely needs to work on his consistency there is no doubt about that, wasnt that great in National T20 cup but did well in BBL. He is a wicket taker on his day and I like the skills he has, with some outswing with new ball, decent slower ball and bouncer, can reverse it and can ball yorkers. Yes execution needs to be worked on as well as fitness and as said earlier his body is still adjusting to playing so much hard ball cricket in last few months.

Still early days for him and he is still learning.
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would it be right to take him to the WT20 if he's still this raw?
 
Ronaldo7 said:
would it be right to take him to the WT20 if he's still this raw?
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World cup is still around 7-8 months away and in those months he will have 8 more matches of PSL, then national one day cup and some T20 matches Pak has to play. How he grows as a bowler and how his contemporaries grow in the mean time will be the deciding factor.

I think there is enough time in the WT20 for him to polish his skills but it would obviously be upto him how hard he works and how he develops.
 
He is still good. This will be a valid thread if he had more been performing for say a year or so when in fact he just had an exceptional big bash.

Needs to work on his fitness but a couple of bad games don't mean he is overrated. Just like a few good games don't mean he is the next best thing.
 
Poor thread.

Today Rauf took a beating because he clearly didn’t stick to his original plan of bowling full and straight, that’s what’s makes him special in the first place. He was bowling too wide today. He will come back strong but he should not change his most reliable approach
 
one good game and he is world class.

one bad game and he is the next bilawal batti.

never change PP.

Clearly he is talented. He has all the tools to be a good t20 and odi bowler. Give him some time to develop further.
 
Rana said:
Poor thread.

Today Rauf took a beating because he clearly didn’t stick to his original plan of bowling full and straight, that’s what’s makes him special in the first place. He was bowling too wide today. He will come back strong but he should not change his most reliable approach
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This. Also, Sohail Akhtar was absolutely clueless as to how to use Rauf. Aaqib is to blame. Did neither of them see how Maxwell used Rauf to great effect in the BBL? Rauf is best saved for the death, and should have used him in the 18th and 20th overs. This is where Rauf excels because of his economy rate. Wickets are just a bonus here.

Instead, Sohail (and by extension Aaqib) wasted his overs earlier in the innings, which was neither fair to Rauf nor to the team.

Shinwari has always been known to be expensive. Why the heck would you bring him on when the other team is 5-2??? Or give him the last over? Or the middle over (I think it was the 14th) where instead it should have been given to Shaheen who ended up picking two wickets in the next over right off the bat?

Rauf isn’t responsible for this loss. I thought he bowled pretty well given the pitch, was also an off day for him since he tried a little too much. But he’s still hands down the best death bowler in Pakistan right now, even better than Wahab when it comes to Australia. But you can’t bowl him out of place and expect him to perform, when Rauf has a highly specialized, targeted skillset toward one task: bowling dot balls and singles without leaking a single boundary and building pressure in the last three overs.
 
Whats with these knee jerk reaction threads, one bad night in the office and he's trash
 
Mind it or not Hasnain is way better than him and he proved most of us wrong this time again.
 
One bad game and now open a thread trying to justify that Rauf is overrated. Bravo!

OP you are the same that said Rauf took tailenders wickets mostly in BBL. You talk without facts.

He wasn't highest wicket taker because he played 7 games less than the highest wicket taker. Among the 10 highest wicket taker of BBL 19/20 he had the best economy and wickets per game ratio which was 2 wickets in every game.

And also like you said he failed to run through BD's batting line up on his debut. Well he should've done that. He's overrated.

Just hollow lines of thread OP. Nothing substantial.
 
Haris needs fair chance. Preferably 1 year but if his performance his poor either due to his injury or form he shouldn't be in T20 World Cup squad.
 
People are so reactionary. If you have 1 bad performance you are rubbish or ovverated.

No one said he is the next ATG so don't get where this ovverated tag is coming from.
 
Hasan123 said:
People are so reactionary. If you have 1 bad performance you are rubbish or ovverated.

No one said he is the next ATG so don't get where this ovverated tag is coming from.
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ARK Rafay said:
One bad game and now open a thread trying to justify that Rauf is overrated. Bravo!

OP you are the same that said Rauf took tailenders wickets mostly in BBL. You talk without facts.

He wasn't highest wicket taker because he played 7 games less than the highest wicket taker. Among the 10 highest wicket taker of BBL 19/20 he had the best economy and wickets per game ratio which was 2 wickets in every game.

And also like you said he failed to run through BD's batting line up on his debut. Well he should've done that. He's overrated.

Just hollow lines of thread OP. Nothing substantial.
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shamaan said:
One bad game and hes awful calm down people
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Savak said:
Whats with these knee jerk reaction threads, one bad night in the office and he's trash
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tyron_woodley said:
one good game and he is world class.

one bad game and he is the next bilawal batti.

never change PP.

Clearly he is talented. He has all the tools to be a good t20 and odi bowler. Give him some time to develop further.
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Rana said:
Poor thread.

Today Rauf took a beating because he clearly didn’t stick to his original plan of bowling full and straight, that’s what’s makes him special in the first place. He was bowling too wide today. He will come back strong but he should not change his most reliable approach
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"oNe bAd GaMe"

Bruv. read the opening post.

This is what happens when you start talking with emotion instead of knowledge coz clearly none of you actually read my introduction.

I gave at least three examples where he has failed so it's clearly not "one bad game".

He failed in the first match too if you've forgotten and in the BBL final.

Stop hiding his shortcomings using the excuse "it was just one bad game"
 
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I've noticed this a lot, whenever someone opens a thread about a player who people rate on this forum, the bias of the members takes over. The fact is that we're so desperate for a good bowler that we start overrating above average players and hope that they're good enough
 
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Of course he is. Every Pakistani player apart from Babar and Shaheen is overrated.

They are the only two top class players. Everyone else is either deeply mediocre or just about decent at best.

Pakistan cricket is down in the dumps and our fans have no choice but to overrate players out of desperation.

At best, Haris Rauf will be just another Wahab Riaz type bowler.
 
Problem is with Lahore Qalander Captaincy, they need a Wasim Akram Imran Khan or i would say Sarfraz:sarf type captain "Abbay bol pakar"

They need mouthing from a captain to perform, not Haris Rauf s fault that team is loosing:)
 
Hasnain has improved markedly, I'd pick hasnain ahead of rauf even though rauf is a quality performer
 
he isn't overrated he is finding it difficult on these pitches.he is perfect for Australian conditions.He should be a regular in t20i squad.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
Don't forget to add the BBL final.

Also, we're talking about overrating here. If he was THAT good, he would have won at least one of the three very important matches he's played. Let alone winning, the guy contributed to the loss of all three matches. he conceded 40+ in the two he played 4 overs in and 36 with NO wickets in the Final of the BBL.

Definitely a world class bowler
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On this method of estimation, he did well in many matches in BBL and didn't perform in few matches of PSL so by same method we need to give him an equal amount of matches to perform badly before we claim anything about him being overrated or underrated.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
"oNe bAd GaMe"

Bruv. read the opening post.

This is what happens when you start talking with emotion instead of knowledge coz clearly none of you actually read my introduction.

I gave at least three examples where he has failed so it's clearly not "one bad game".

He failed in the first match too if you've forgotten and in the BBL final.

Stop hiding his shortcomings using the excuse "it was just one bad game"
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I'm talking without knowledge? Bro I gave you all the facts and you just gonna doge that by playing 'everyone is emotional' card.
 
ARK Rafay said:
I'm talking without knowledge? Bro I gave you all the facts and you just gonna doge that by playing 'everyone is emotional' card.
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what r u on about? lol

What "facts" have you given me?

I've already debunked your BBL claim.
Most of his wickets were useless for the team

I gave you THREE examples.

You're just talking. not backing it up with facts
 
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Ronaldo7 said:
what r u on about? lol

What "facts" have you given me?

I've already debunked your BBL claim.
Most of his wickets were useless for the team

I gave you THREE examples.

You're just talking. not backing it up with facts
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Read my post again. And if most of his wickets were useless his team wouldn't finished at top in BBL.
 
So is the quality of BBL that poor that Rauf’s performances do not count or is the quality of PSL that rich that his one poor performance negates everything he has done prior?
 
I did criticise him after watching him recently, but have to say I do like his action. Maybe he needs a bit more accuracy to really reach the next level. I think he has far more potential than someone like Shinwari or Musa because he can actually get some movement at pace. But without discipline and temperament he could also just turn into another Rahat Ali.
 
ManFan said:
So is the quality of BBL that poor that Rauf’s performances do not count or is the quality of PSL that rich that his one poor performance negates everything he has done prior?
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2 poor performances in as many matches not one. get it right.

Also, what has he done previously? lost his team the BBL final? oh what an achievement
 
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I think he'll come good in the PSL.

The wickets are different in Pakistan and Aussie wickets were perhaps more to his liking.
 
Saj said:
I think he'll come good in the PSL.

The wickets are different in Pakistan and Aussie wickets were perhaps more to his liking.
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Pakistanis are just impatient, it takes time to adjust from bouncier Australian wickets to slower Pakistani wickets. Give the lad a chance!
 
Ronaldo7 said:
2 poor performances in as many matches not one. get it right.

Also, what has he done previously? lost his team the BBL final? oh what an achievement
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I don’t even have words to describe this level of stupid thinking.

At least wait until the tournament is finished before passing judgement.
 
If we're going to judge players based a couple of games in this PSL then Jason Roy and Tom Banton are both garbage players. :))
 
Maxwell was impressed by him, gave him two of the last three overs, repeatedly appreciated him (and Lamichane). When Rauf left the Bigbash, his team lost there games consecutively.

Having said that, he's still work in progress. Not sure if he'll get proper guidance in Pakistani/PSL set-ups
 
ARK Rafay said:
Yea. They both played that trash BBL and are now surprised by PSL's supreme quality :))
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Roy is a world class opener in white ball cricket at the international level, who played a stellar role in his country’s World Cup win.

Of course he is struggling in PSL because the quality of bowling is better than international cricket. Viv Richards is lucky he is only a PSL mascot and not a player. He would have been exposed for the hack that he was.
 
Ronaldo7 said:
2 poor performances in as many matches not one. get it right.

Also, what has he done previously? lost his team the BBL final? oh what an achievement
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This thread sucks.

He was instrumental to his team's success, and he was only poor in the final as it WAS 12 overs, so I kinda knew he would get blasted.

Just because his PSL hasn't been the same as his BBL, you cannot justify these claims you make.

I think Rauf is a great bowler, but the pitches in Australia were better for him, and Dilbar Hussain did end up misfielding Rauf's bowling twice against Multan.

Overall, this thread is poor. It certainly is a knee jerk reaction to try and scapegoat someone for Lahore's losses.
 
conceded 40 in the last match and 50 in this one.

Still a "one-off"? lol

He's overrated.

Accept it
 
ManFan said:
I don’t even have words to describe this level of stupid thinking.

At least wait until the tournament is finished before passing judgement.
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Should be finished for him.

My earlier judgement is still accurate.

Looks like i have a good eye for judging players early. you clearly don't.
 
i thought he conceded 50 off 4 overs but just checked and he actually conceded 50 off 3. :)))

It's even worse than i thought
 
Ronaldo7 said:
i thought he conceded 50 off 4 overs but just checked and he actually conceded 50 off 3. :)))

It's even worse than i thought
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a fully fit bumrah after injury hasn't found his form yet and you expect an injured Haris Rauf who just played 2 year of proper cricket to perform .lol at your expectations
 
He's clearly unfit and so is Dilbar Hussain it seems. Lahore needs to take better care of their pacers. Otherwise, the players should look for opportunities elsewhere.
 
Mujtaba2900 said:
a fully fit bumrah after injury hasn't found his form yet and you expect an injured Haris Rauf who just played 2 year of proper cricket to perform .lol at your expectations
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are you actually comparing a nobody like Rauf with Bumrah?

At least Bumrah never conceded 50 off 3. lol

If we have any chance of winning the trophy, Haris needs to go

Also, Haris conceded 40 runs twice consecutively BEFORE his injury so i don't know "form" you're talking about lol
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Haris Rauf's speeds in his first over:<br><br>86mph (wide)<br>88mph<br>89mph<br>83mph<br>90mph<br>79mph (slower ball)<br>86mph<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1299401239449554946?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 28, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
Ronaldo7 said:
are you actually comparing a nobody like Rauf with Bumrah?

At least Bumrah never conceded 50 off 3. lol

If we have any chance of winning the trophy, Haris needs to go

Also, Haris conceded 40 runs twice consecutively BEFORE his injury so i don't know "form" you're talking about lol
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Sure Haris Rauf is not as good as Bumrah beacuse he has not played much cricket yet.
 
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Not a good start to the series for Rauf, but he should be given a proper chance and play all three games.
 
Bewal Express said:
Haris didnt bowl any rubbish, its just that Banton batted really well against him. It does happen
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Disagree. He didn't bowl much variation. No short balls, no wide of off stump balls, no slow bouncers, no knuckle balls etc.

Bowled mostly full - fast or slow- and made it easy for Banton to guess where to hit.

In T20, you really need to use more brains and also not be afraid. He didn't.
 
Corridor of Uncertainty said:
Disagree. He didn't bowl much variation. No short balls, no wide of off stump balls, no slow bouncers, no knuckle balls etc.

Bowled mostly full - fast or slow- and made it easy for Banton to guess where to hit.

In T20, you really need to use more brains and also not be afraid. He didn't.
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Or Banton was just good. The batsman are allowed to score, and someone will get hit. Btw one of those slower cutter was also ramped for 6.
 
Congratulations to Pakistan on producing a mirror image of Wahab.

Our fans will do bhangra over him before eventually realizing that he is no good and will never amount to anything in international cricket.

We always like to learn things the hard way.
 
Although he went for runs and bowled some bad balls he was also against some really good batsman who played lovely shots at the same time he did bowl some good balls too


Granted it wasn't his best performence but he has the X factor and needs to be presisted with needs to keep working hard and polish his skills and want to see some more Yorkers from him
 
Impressive pace from Rauf today. He's cranked it up a few k's since his last outing for Pakistan.

Certainly some potential there but nothing to go gaga over at this point.
 
Mamoon said:
Congratulations to Pakistan on producing a mirror image of Wahab.

Our fans will do bhangra over him before eventually realizing that he is no good and will never amount to anything in international cricket.

We always like to learn things the hard way.
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Could Wahab swing the ball like Haris can? Does rauf have a low slanted wrist position like Wahab?
Do their actions have any similarity?
The answer to all these questions is NO.
They are completely different bowlers, with different strengths and weaknesses.
Your false equivalence comparisons just showcase your cluelessness when it comes to evaluating fast bowlers.
 
It is clear that having Waqar in the camp is bringing no improvement in the fast bowlers.

All the bowlers have had glaring technical faults for a good year now, and Waqar has made no difference in alleviating them.
 
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