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Many people are saying that this guy is the future of England fast bowling. I'm not too sure, he seems to lack a bit of pace for me. He has a lovely action & clearly has a good head on his shoulders judging by his performance in the 20/20

Handy bat as well, has already scored two first class centuries. What does everyone think?
 
Waaaaaay to early to judge. There's no way he will find a place in the England Test XI in the upcoming years. (Not because of lack of skill, but with the massive amount of new found depth)
 
Not enough pace for me as yet. Worth keeping him around on the basis of his potential and what we've seen on this tour, but he needs to keep working hard in the gym!
 
Can't really judge from 4 overs. Looked an ok prospect, not so special.
 
To be honest, Ajmal Shahzad looked more impressive out of the new comers today

Seemed very deceptive, ie faster than the speed gun.
Definitely one to remain with the squad
 
Shahzad was the best bowler on show. Two catches dropped as well.
 
lol the only thing he did OF NOTE today is bat pretty damn sensibly to take England to victory, although with the way ONLY Watson performed, Australia deserved to win that game. Whaddaplaya.
 
Paradox said:
lol the only thing he did OF NOTE today is bat pretty damn sensibly to take England to victory, although with the way ONLY Watson performed, Australia deserved to win that game. Whaddaplaya.
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Australia were actually very poor, it was only Watson's individual performance across the 40 overs that was impressive. Watson didn't deserve to lose, but Australia did.
 
Yeah.. I felt really bad for Watson at the end of the game actually. Atleast he got Man of the Match, but it's surely one of the best all-round performances I've seen in a Twenty20 match. Up there with Afridi in WT09 semi and WT09 final, and the others.
 
Watson has been carrying Australia's batting all summer tbh. Make him captain!
 
Australia is like Pakistan lol Lose Lose Lose : Grrr but trust me they will come back and comeback stronger
 
damn, missed the match, didnt even knew the timings of it now wanna watch the highlights. glad to see england won
 
The last two Twenty20s from the last two Australian summers have been great - Pak vs Aus with Aus winning the thriller by two runs I think, and this match even more thrilling, England winning with no deliveries to spare. Good stuff. MCG on Friday should be an amazing, amazing crowd and an even better game (if it's even possible!). Hope Australia come back to draw the series 1-1.
 
My first reaction upon seeing the teamsheet was, WHY have they picked Woakes ahead of Tremlett.

Once again I was completely wrong.
 
England bowler Chris Woakes out of last two Australia ODIs

By Pascal Lemesre, Football League Editor
Filed: Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 11:10 UK
Last Updated: Thursday, September 10, 2015 at 11:11 UK
England bowler Chris Woakes has been ruled out of the final two one-day internationals against Australia with a thigh injury.

England Cricket revealed the news on their Twitter account this morning, but said that the 26-year-old should be available for selection for the Test series against Pakistan later this year.

Warwickshire man Woakes played in the first three matches of the series, which Australia lead 2-1 after England's 93-run win at Old Trafford on Tuesday, but failed to take a wicket in any game.

Left-armers Reece Topley and David Willey will fight it out to take Woakes's place for the fourth ODI which takes place at Headingley tomorrow.

http://www.sportsmole.co.uk/cricket/england/news/chris-woakes-out-of-last-two-odis_245203.html
 
Darn. I rate this guy and think he has a good international future but he seems to get crocked a lot.
 
I like this guy. He has the potential but he is not fulfilling his potential :uakmal
 
Chris Woakes returning to the wickets column

Prior to this match,Chris Woakes played 6 wicketless ODIs and in this ODI he suddenly takes 4 wickets.All of the wickets were gifted by the batsmen.3 of Pakistan's most probably the best batsmen fell victim to his bowling.What was so special in his bowling?
 
He has decent potential as an A/R but we have certainly given him much needed confidence and inspiration.
 
It's not a big deal. We are the same team that made Thisara Perera and Jason Holder look like clones of Glenn McGrath.
 
same is the case with Alex hales... we helped him to make his first ever century of his ODI career.

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I've always like Woakes personally, has pretty good pace (and has risen a bit in the last couple of years) and a good ability to swing the ball whilst also having a fairly solid batting technique that can add some valuable runs. Was a shame his career stuttered with that big injury last season.
 
It's quite strange how and why England persisted with him after not taking a wicket in 6 odis ?

Very strange indeed.
 
Now I know why he was so happy after getting every wicket. We have booked his spot for the next series. A delight for him.
 
Another out of form bowler come to form against us haha. Poor lad hadn't taken a wicket before this game, and we gifted him 3.

Loss for words atm. First Misbah was blamed, then Akmal, now who do you blame for this straight sh!t batting performance? We got the squad we wanted more or less no? Truth is this is the best we've got and they just aren't cut out for 50 over cricket. And the only way for them to get with the modern game is if they are given series after series without any chopping and changing.

Yes, keep the same exact team for at least 3 straight series on the trott, no changes. Hopefully we see improvement, we don't have any other options anyway.

Long road ahead.....

Golden age of Pakistan Batting PAUSED for now.
 
When he swings it he looks decent, otherwise a fairly average seamer TBH.

Pakistan batsman can make any lulloo bowler look world class.
 
theariezman said:
same is the case with Alex hales... we helped him to make his first ever century of his ODI career.

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Hales is a very good player, he can be a real star for England.
 
woakes in his short career has had a habit of going loads of games without taking many wickets and then takes quite a few all in one game, he lacks consistancy of stringing performances together consecatively but is a decent ODI bowler.
 
Suleiman said:
Another out of form bowler come to form against us haha. Poor lad hadn't taken a wicket before this game, and we gifted him 3.

Loss for words atm. First Misbah was blamed, then Akmal, now who do you blame for this straight sh!t batting performance? We got the squad we wanted more or less no? Truth is this is the best we've got and they just aren't cut out for 50 over cricket. And the only way for them to get with the modern game is if they are given series after series without any chopping and changing.

Yes, keep the same exact team for at least 3 straight series on the trott, no changes. Hopefully we see improvement, we don't have any other options anyway.

Long road ahead.....

Golden age of Pakistan Batting PAUSED for now.
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We need firepower in the team. I like how Maqsood is dropped from the squad when starts averaging 56 in FC :facepalm:
 
WC-Passion said:
We need firepower in the team. I like how Maqsood is dropped from the squad when starts averaging 56 in FC :facepalm:
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When I heard Iftikhar Ahmed was added instead I facepalmed just as hard. Sohaib was the best possible replacement for Younis at 3 from what we have, esp cuz he bats there in domestics usually too. After he got the short end of the stick last year after performing at 3 then getting dropped for saint younis, he should've been given a go at one down here with no seniors blocking his way, or at least as 4 if we had to accomodate for Hafeez. Though I will admit I am a big fan of his, so I am a little biased :afridi

Huge blunder by pcb and shows their shortsightedness.

But while we can argue that player a should be there instead of player b, this is what we have p much, and no matter who plays we will be lagging behind the big sides in odis until we change our approach.

If england and especially Bangladesh can, I don't know why we can't :sree
 
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Suleiman said:
When I heard Iftikhar Ahmed was added instead I facepalmed just as hard. Sohaib was the best possible replacement for Younis at 3 from what we have, esp cuz he bats there in domestics usually too. After he got the short end of the stick last year after performing at 3 then getting dropped for saint younis, he should've been given a go at one down here with no seniors blocking his way, or at least as 4 if we had to accomodate for Hafeez. Though I will admit I am a big fan of his, so I am a little biased.

Huge blunder by pcb and shows their shortsightedness.

But while we can argue that player a should be there instead of player b, this is what we have p much, and no matter who plays we will be lagging behind the big sides in odis until we change our approach.

If england and especially Bangladesh can, I don't know why we can't :sree
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We can't because our Board likes to create controversies and is scared of seniors and hates the youngsters and is corrupt blah blah blah blah blah.

It's just the mindset of the board and the think tank that make the team so weak.
 
WC-Passion said:
We can't because our Board likes to create controversies and is scared of seniors and hates the youngsters and is corrupt blah blah blah blah blah.

It's just the mindset of the board and the think tank that make the team so weak.
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Nah, while we do have the worst management possible, we simply don't have the players as well. We are too hung up on the fact that if we had this player x over player y, etc etc we'd have the perfect team in odis. Truth is there are passengers in every odi team, no team gets the selections 100% correct, yet they still perform to an extent, so no odi team is built perfect (e.g. Binny for India, Behardien for SAF). This doesn't give us the excuse to make 55 measly runs in 19 ****ing overs. The fact that we think only a handful of players like Haris, Zafar, Babar can carry us shows how little faith we have in the other hundreds of players in the domestic circuit, and ofc we would.
 
Suleiman said:
Nah, while we do have the worst management possible, we simply don't have the players as well. We are too hung up on the fact that if we had this player x over player y, etc etc we'd have the perfect team in odis. Truth is there are passengers in every odi team, no team gets the selections 100% correct, yet they still perform to an extent, so no odi team is built perfect (e.g. Binny for India, Behardien for SAF). This doesn't give us the excuse to make 55 measly runs in 19 ****ing overs. The fact that we think only a handful of players like Haris, Zafar, Babar can carry us shows how little faith we have in the other hundreds of players in the domestic circuit, and ofc we would.
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Well most of the domestic circuit isn't even young due to the lack of youngsters being selected in the last 5 years.

We do need to get a best team honestly, too. We have players who can play swing but they are out of form or injured etc etc.

Like you've said we need to play a set team for like 2 series' but with injuries and well... Haris lol it's nearly impressible.

1)Hafeez
2)Azhar
3)Maqsood/Haris
4)Babar Azam
5)Sarfraz
6)Rizwan
7)Imad Wasim
8)Amir Yamin
9)Yasir
10)Wahab
11)Irfan

For the next series (possibly a December series against IND/BD/WI) I want to see THIS.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
It's quite strange how and why England persisted with him after not taking a wicket in 6 odis ?
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For some reason he was moved from opening bowler to first change on the eve of the WC. Made no sense because he had done well with the new ball. perhaps this confused him for a bit. Plus he carried an injury for a while. Could be back to full capability now.
 
Watch out for Chris Woakes!

I believe this guy might turn out to be the most crucial player in the English team. His bowling has improved a lot; he has upped his pace in recent times, swings the new ball away and also has the ability to hit the pitch hard and generate awkward bounce off a length. If I am not wrong, he was the sharpest of all the English seamers on show against Sri Lanka.

Coming in at #8, he's going to be a massive thorn in our side. He looks pretty neat with the bat whenever I see him. He can provide great support to the more accomplished batsman at the other end but if the need arises to up the ante, he's got the ability to score quickly.

In short, a genuine all-rounder who (Better bowler than Stokes for sure) could prove to be the difference between the two sides.
 
Yes you are right. I don't rate him but he could do some damage especially as he is in good form in all formats
 
If the ball swings, Woakes kind of bowler can hurt teams the most.

IF it swings.

Here's why:

Batsmen look at bowlers like him as run scoring options. So will take chances against him. Now Woakes bowls a full length and lets it swing. Its very tempting to go for the drive against such bowlers (especially when you consider them as run scoring options).

If it doesn't swing, Woakes would probably get carted all over the park.
 
Correct, he's increased his pace significantly. Was an up and down trundler before but in the SL series he was getting it up to 85-90mph.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
If the ball swings, Woakes kind of bowler can hurt teams the most.

IF it swings.

Here's why:

Batsmen look at bowlers like him as run scoring options. So will take chances against him. Now Woakes bowls a full length and lets it swing. Its very tempting to go for the drive against such bowlers (especially when you consider them as run scoring options).

If it doesn't swing, Woakes would probably get carted all over the park.
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You definitely have not seen enough of Woakes. He is not a one trick pony. His seam is upright and bangs the bowl hard on the pitch; consequently he gets whatever assistance there is available off the pitch, be it sideways movement or bounce.

He was comfortably the most threatening pacer on show. I am not going by the wickets he has taken; basing my opinion on his bowling quality in general.
 
Seen Sheen said:
You definitely have not seen enough of Woakes. He is not a one trick pony. His seam is upright and bangs the bowl hard on the pitch; consequently he gets whatever assistance there is available off the pitch, be it sideways movement or bounce.

He was comfortably the most threatening pacer on show. I am not going by the wickets he has taken; basing my opinion on his bowling quality in general.
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Yeah today he looked very good.

The last I saw Woakes was on India tour of England and I felt he just floated the ball up there.

Today he looked good both in swinging and banging the ball (when needed).
 
Looked very dangerous. If he opens the bowling with Jimmy we will struggle big time.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah today he looked very good.

The last I saw Woakes was on India tour of England and I felt he just floated the ball up there.

Today he looked good both in swinging and banging the ball (when needed).
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He has improved leaps and bounds in last year. You probably missed the OP, I mentioned that he was looking very threatening against Sri Lanka earlier in the summer and was quickest of the English pace quartet.

Broad on the other hand looked totally pedestrian and he was supposed to lead the attack. The debutant -Ball - outbowled his comfortably.
 
Hasan123 said:
You was right bro
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I had been intending to make this thread ever since I noticed all the limelight being hogged by Anderson to a large extent (deservedly so). He has sharpened his bowling tools over past one year and looks set to displace Broad from the new ball duties.


Don't underestimate his batting. I am even more worried about his contribution lower down the order.
 
Seen Sheen said:
I had been intending to make this thread ever since I noticed all the limelight being hogged by Anderson to a large extent (deservedly so). He has sharpened his bowling tools over past one year and looks set to displace Broad from the new ball duties.


Don't underestimate his batting. I am even more worried about his contribution lower down the order.
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I didn't rate him tbh. He's proved me wrong.
 
Woakes and James Taylor have been my favourite England cricketers for the past couple of years. Devastated that Taylor had to retire just as he was establishing himself, but glad to see Woakes building on his potential.

To be fair to him, when he barely got wickets in his first handful of matches, I recall a number of nicks that were put down off his bowling. Glad to see him making a case for a prolonged run in the Test team.
 
I have mentioned how Woakes is quality on a number of occasions on this forum.. just saying :) started a thread on him about a month ago. Glad he is getting the recognition he deserves.

Although posters in this thread are not correct in saying that he is a full-pitch kind of bowler. He is a predominantly back-of-a-length bowler but can also bowl fuller at times. What is remarkable is the shape he gets even from a back-of-a-length which makes him exceptionally dangerous for Pakistanis who can't deal with bounce or swing, but with Woakes, they have to deal with both at the same time!

England in the next three test matches will have a really dangerous line up - three gun pace bowlers (Broad, Anderson, Woakes) + Stokes and Ali as back-up.. that is deadly.
 
FreePalestine said:
I have mentioned how Woakes is quality on a number of occasions on this forum.. just saying :) started a thread on him about a month ago. Glad he is getting the recognition he deserves.

Although posters in this thread are not correct in saying that he is a full-pitch kind of bowler. He is a predominantly back-of-a-length bowler but can also bowl fuller at times. What is remarkable is the shape he gets even from a back-of-a-length which makes him exceptionally dangerous for Pakistanis who can't deal with bounce or swing, but with Woakes, they have to deal with both at the same time!

England in the next three test matches will have a really dangerous line up - three gun pace bowlers (Broad, Anderson, Woakes) + Stokes and Ali as back-up.. that is deadly.
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Spot on with your assessment. His stock length is back of a length which normally means that the bowler would be a hit the deck bowler who would rely on seam movement and bounce. But Woakes has this unique gift of getting slight late away movement from back of the length. Since his seam is also upright, it also keeps deviating off the pitch.

I really like his action. Nice and compact; an easily repeatable one.
 
I love how the english keep on churning amazing fast bowling talent. [MENTION=7774]Robert[/MENTION]
 
He is a player most teams would like to have in their team.

A very good new ball bowler and one who is more than handy with the bat.

An attack of Anderson/Woakes/Broad/Stokes will be really dangerous especially on typical English wickets. No point in picking Finn if he is going to trundle in like an 18th century horse carriage coming to a halt.
 
Chirs Woakes is a better all-rounder than Ben Stokes, yet Stokes is more hyped.

I believe so. The English Media are doing whatever they can to build up Stokesin the same light as Botham and Flintoff. Yet technically speaking, Stokes is a flat track bully with the bat and his bowling is very average to say the least. really has no extra pace to trouble the batsmen.

Ive been watching Woakes for quite some time now, very underrated. He has shots in his Arsenal, and mentally a very strong cricketer. Although so isStokes, But due to the extra hype surrounding Ben, I feel he is a bit over-confident. I really hope Woakes the best of luck, excellent cricketer!
 
He's bowled beautifully. Swinging the ball both ways and bowled with good pace.
 
Already looking the most fluent player after Root. This guy has all the ingredients to become a world-class allrounder.
 
Surprisingly decent player of spin .
Stokes was all over the place against apin , this guy has a beautiful defensive technique.
 
ethan hunt said:
Surprisingly decent player of spin .
Stokes was all over the place against apin , this guy has a beautiful defensive technique.
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Very very assured footwork against spin. No indecision at all. Played with the straight bat all the time.
 
Not only is he the most incisive of all the English seamers but he looks like a genuine top order batsman comfortable against pace and spin.
 
He is class . I think he will get a 70 odd tomorrow and maybe give england a handy 30 40 Lead


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