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[VIDEOS] Humble pie thread for those who doubted Mohammad Rizwan

Mark my words, Rizwan can and will play all formats successfully within 2 years.

He was a beast in the national t20 cup and his current form has carried on from there. Bit of time and confidence and he will start proving all of his doubters wrong.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Then why did Mickey keep picking Sarfraz for tests and let him stay as captain even though he was absolute rubbish.
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A coach cannot just kick out a captain like a dictator, he must go through correct channels. On the other hand, why is Misbah sticking with Azhar when he doesn't add anything more than Sarfraz? Is it that Misbah lacks power, brain or marbles?
 
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Rizwan was a big positive to take out of this game.

He fought hard and was Pakistan's top scorer.

Now he has to do this consistently.
 
Batted very well in both innings, and could have scored big in his first innings as well if the third umpire did his job properly. Keeping was a bit shaky at the start, but got better as the match progressed. The way he ran with his pads on to save that boundary, was amazing to see!!
 
I get the impression that this guy is the Daniel Bryan of PP. He doesn’t need to do much to get immense appreciation. And when he does good, he is hailed as if he is an ATG
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
 
Rana said:
I get the impression that this guy is the Daniel Bryan of PP. He doesn’t need to do much to get immense appreciation. And when he does good, he is hailed as if he is an ATG
[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]
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if he's being overrated then explain how he became highest scoring wk for Pakistan? Explain his 2 100s on his comeback series in ODIs?
 
Rizwan has 2 ODI 100s against Aus In one series and some people don't want to acknowledge that but Sarfraz had one against mighty Ireland in 4 years and he was hailed like an ATG.
 
MRSN said:
Rizwan has 2 ODI 100s against Aus In one series and some people don't want to acknowledge that but Sarfraz had one against mighty Ireland in 4 years and he was hailed like an ATG.
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100 in lords , 94 in the same series (winning cause), highest scorer in england vs england in that series

as i said things change quickly . stop comparing cause Sarfraz has done much better before , let him be what he is .
 
Asif321 said:
100 in lords , 94 in the same series (winning cause), highest scorer in england vs england in that series

as i said things change quickly . stop comparing cause Sarfraz has done much better before , let him be what he is .
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People do have short memories.

[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION], Rizwan has done well in this Test and I hope he continues to do well in Tests. Now calm down and hope he can continue this. No need to trash peak Sarfraz, who also played similar or better knocks.

Sarfraz of today is trash. Consistency is key.

As for Rizwan in LOIs - he's a clown in T20s, and that fact cannot be changed.

In ODIs, he's limited like Sarfraz and Fawad Alam - they both can play at 80-90 strike rate, in the middle to death overs, just like Rizwan can.

But, all three of them lack that extra gear to take attack to the bowlers, especially pacers. They cannot and will not be able to hit the bowlers when needed, especially in the last few overs.

For now, it is good enough for us if he can average over 40-45 in ODIs. But keep in mind that this can hurt us (unable to hit pacers) in tough situations when chasing or setting good targets.
 
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Rizwan is a good number four for ODIs. Any number below will be counter-productive.

The hack Fakhar needs to go and Babar has to open with Imam, with Haris taking the number 3 spot and Rizwan slotting in at 4. He is fine in Tests but should not play T20s.

Rizwan is not a top player and doesn’t have the same amount of ability as the likes of Buttler, Bairstow, QdK, Pant etc., but he is not competing with those guys - he is competing with the dreadful Sarfraz and as long as he is better than him, his place should not be questioned, unless/until someone superior comes along. For example, Rohail Nazir etc. in the future.
 
Rizwan will become the best #7 we’ve ever had. He’s a proper bat who justifies his spot in test cricket for his batting alone.

More evidence why domestic performances need to be consistently rewarded
 
Asif321 said:
100 in lords , 94 in the same series (winning cause), highest scorer in england vs england in that series

as i said things change quickly . stop comparing cause Sarfraz has done much better before , let him be what he is .
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that's almost 3.5 years ago. I am talking about after his purple patch. Since CT he has looked dreadful and that covers 2.5 years of milking of 1 year purple patch. Rizwan has outscored him in so little time that you cannot ignore it and he has to be given a long run in Tests and ODIs.
 
Hawkeye said:
People do have short memories.

[MENTION=57576]MRSN[/MENTION], Rizwan has done well in this Test and I hope he continues to do well in Tests. Now calm down and hope he can continue this. No need to trash peak Sarfraz, who also played similar or better knocks.

Sarfraz of today is trash. Consistency is key.

As for Rizwan in LOIs - he's a clown in T20s, and that fact cannot be changed.

In ODIs, he's limited like Sarfraz and Fawad Alam - they both can play at 80-90 strike rate, in the middle to death overs, just like Rizwan can.

But, all three of them lack that extra gear to take attack to the bowlers, especially pacers. They cannot and will not be able to hit the bowlers when needed, especially in the last few overs.

For now, it is good enough for us if he can average over 40-45 in ODIs. But keep in mind that this can hurt us (unable to hit pacers) in tough situations when chasing or setting good targets.
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I just don't get your comparisons. Rizwan is a wicket keeper so compare him with other wk batsmen Pakistan has. And other thing is he has 2 100s on his comeback series against Aus not some minnow team which shows he is good enough for ODIs as well.

Your point about his strike rate is again not justified as we don't have likes of QDK or Butler. again we have to conpare with other options we have. Rizwan has scored 2 100s in one series against Aus on his comeback. How many are capable of are in Pakistan that should play ahead of him?

Yes he is limited not fast run scorer which can be fixed by making him bat at 4 where he can bat long.

To be honest he has improved his power hitting as we have seen him in national T20 cup and soon you will be surprised about his LOIs limitations.
 
It's incredible how people can take one Tamasha series and make judgment about players.

M Rizwan has strike rate of 90 after 33 ODIs which is quite decent. His List A numbers are quite impressive as well as he is averaging 50 @90 strike rate after 135 games. Don't understand hate from people like [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION].
 
Officer Barbrady said:
Rizwan will become the best #7 we’ve ever had. He’s a proper bat who justifies his spot in test cricket for his batting alone.

More evidence why domestic performances need to be consistently rewarded
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problem is some people are happy with hacks like Iftikhar who can hit sixes. They are just not willing to respect gritty players who work hard and take pressure and play big innings. Rizwsn 2 100s against Aus and now this test match has really impressed me with the level of hard work he does as a batsman. And don't forget about his incredible wk. He us setting the bar really high for other competing wk batsmen.
 
Mamoon said:
Rizwan is a good number four for ODIs. Any number below will be counter-productive.

The hack Fakhar needs to go and Babar has to open with Imam, with Haris taking the number 3 spot and Rizwan slotting in at 4. He is fine in Tests but should not play T20s.

Rizwan is not a top player and doesn’t have the same amount of ability as the likes of Buttler, Bairstow, QdK, Pant etc., but he is not competing with those guys - he is competing with the dreadful Sarfraz and as long as he is better than him, his place should not be questioned, unless/until someone superior comes along. For example, Rohail Nazir etc. in the future.
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He can actually do what people were expecting Sarfraz to do for years. He can actually bat at no.4 and help us play one hitter down the order. We don't need him to score 80 off 50 balls. if he can score 50 of 55 balls he is doing his job.
 
MRSN said:
I just don't get your comparisons. Rizwan is a wicket keeper so compare him with other wk batsmen Pakistan has. And other thing is he has 2 100s on his comeback series against Aus not some minnow team which shows he is good enough for ODIs as well.

Your point about his strike rate is again not justified as we don't have likes of QDK or Butler. again we have to conpare with other options we have. Rizwan has scored 2 100s in one series against Aus on his comeback. How many are capable of are in Pakistan that should play ahead of him?

Yes he is limited not fast run scorer which can be fixed by making him bat at 4 where he can bat long.

To be honest he has improved his power hitting as we have seen him in national T20 cup and soon you will be surprised about his LOIs limitations.
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Nowhere did I say he needs to be dropped from ODIs. It's T20s where he is useless.

In ODIs you're proving my point. He can play at early positions like at #4 but not in the last overs or when he's required to accelerate/hit. Because he doesn't have a power game.

So right now he definitely can play in ODIs too because we don't have someone better. And hope he averages over 40 at over 90 strike rate.
 
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] please do your homework before judging players. Rizwan's List A and ODI numbers are quite good. His average of 50 at 90 strike rate after 135 games shows his consistency. I don't think we have genuine batsmen with more than 90 strike rate and here you are expecting wk batsman to be better. After 33 ODIs he has a healthy strike rate of 90 which is good enough for a no.4 batsman.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] please your word about Rizwan for ODIs.
 
Hawkeye said:
Nowhere did I say he needs to be dropped from ODIs. It's T20s where he is useless.

In ODIs you're proving my point. He can play at early positions like at #4 but not in the last overs or when he's required to accelerate/hit. Because he doesn't have a power game.

So right now he definitely can play in ODIs too because we don't have someone better. And hope he averages over 40 at over 90 strike rate.
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as Mamoon said we can make the best of him. He is not great hitter agreed but no. 4 is good for him where he can play 60 balls 50 type innings. One thing Rizwan does get credit for is his improvements against spin. The old Rizwan would just fall to Lyon's traps in few overs but he played him really well on a deteriorating 4th day pitch.
 
MRSN said:
It's incredible how people can take one Tamasha series and make judgment about players.

M Rizwan has strike rate of 90 after 33 ODIs which is quite decent. His List A numbers are quite impressive as well as he is averaging 50 @90 strike rate after 135 games. Don't understand hate from people like [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION].
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Probably the same reason as why he hates Imad. Both him and Rizwan have better ODI numbers and inevitably this would make any hardcore Misbah fan feeling insecure.

According to him, Rizwan and Shan Masood wouldn't make the Afghanistan team. Fitting statement for an agenda driven poster I guess.
 
this innings shld put to rest to all those crying for sarfraz.... a knock that was superior to most

Rizwan has to bat at no4 in ODIz.... as we need to have Iffti Chacha and Khushdil Shah with Ammad Butt and Imad 5.6.7.8 So either Babar or Harris Sohail should open with Imam ... Babar can and he should ... so top 4 should be

1)Imam
2)Babar
3)Harris
4)Rizwan

followed by
5)Iffti Chacha
6)KHushdil
7)Ammad
8)Imad
 
I must admit Rizwan has surprised me in this test match but then again my comments were on his ability to play ODI cricket where he seems to not have enough shots and no ability to hit a 6.
 
MRSN said:
as Mamoon said we can make the best of him. He is not great hitter agreed but no. 4 is good for him where he can play 60 balls 50 type innings. One thing Rizwan does get credit for is his improvements against spin. The old Rizwan would just fall to Lyon's traps in few overs but he played him really well on a deteriorating 4th day pitch.
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So yes.

We can hide him at #4 for now. Because even you would accept he cannot hit the bowlers, and at #6, he will cause issues just like Sarfraz did when setting or chasing high scores.

Then again, where will you play your more dynamic batsmen? Openers, #3 Babar, #4 Haris. The only spot I see is #5.

And a lot of the times your #5 or #6 should be able to accelerate and take on the bowlers. It might not be a big issue if you have hitters who come at #6, #7, #8. But we don't have hitters even at thsoe late order positions.

He has earned being given a long rope in Tests, and for now he's the only option in ODIs too so have to stick with him. We'll have to hide him at #4 or max #5 and pray that he does not get into situations where he has to take on the bowlers.
 
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MRSN said:
he should bat above hacks like Iftikhar.
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hacks like ifthikar has no place in Tests... I rmb during Mickeys tenure and under Misbahs captaincy Iftikar got selected for a test against England in UK replacing Hafeez, Mickey discarded the hack right away and was never selected back in tests... Tests are class apart from the LOIs not every hack can survive unless and until they have developed skillset of batting..
 
Clearly has shown he belongs in test team, shouldnt not however be in the T20 side.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
Then why did Mickey keep picking Sarfraz for tests and let him stay as captain even though he was absolute rubbish.
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You do realize Mickey was the head coach and not the chief selector or the PCB chairman. The former is responsible for selecting players in the squad while the latter appoints the captain.
 
MRSN said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] please your word about Rizwan for ODIs.
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Can’t be worse than Sarfraz!!!!

However, I believe I mentioned it in past - his stats before that disastrous Australia series (in Australia), was like 33/95, which is very good, but guy is not a blaster, means he is a busy player who maintains SR by shot productivity and he is a fast runner between wickets - these factors suggests he should bat at 5; but for that he needs to improve his spin play further. Still, PAK’s best option till 2023 WC, after which Ruhail should take over.
 
Okay duck here
Told you stop unnecessary hype unless they achieve something
 
He is terrible and always has been

A good knock once in a while

Rather have kami
 
A failure in a 3* test career and the reaction is as if he has been at it for years. Yes, it was a poor shot, but it's his 3rd test, cut him some slack. Meanwhile Azhar and Asad are flopping after playing 70 odd tests or more.

This has gotten ridiculous, especially when you considering that he is coming of a brilliant performance in the last test. Give him atleast 10 tests before eating or delivering pies.
 
Lol.

Interesting how this thread has progressed.

Probably sums up his batting. Nonetheless in Tests he deserves some more chances.
 
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He is not international.material i said it b4 and will say again...pitty on saffy and him are competing same as yasir shah no body to replace him...

Wish rohail nazir had more experience have high hopes
 
Hawkeye said:
Lol.

Interesting how this thread has progressed.

Probably sums up his batting. Nonetheless in Tests he deserves some more chances.
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[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] during Sarfaraz captaincy:

Captian shouts too much
Coach is not good
Team did not do well in that series.
Please throw out it this team starting with Sarfaraz
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] during Misbah coaching:
Pakistani team is not performing well
has lost every match in every format
not able to get opposition out
BUT coach is not to blame and
captain needs to be given more chances [till we end up below Afghanistan in ranking]

:))
 
ZamanFan said:
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] during Sarfaraz captaincy:

Captian shouts too much
Coach is not good
Team did not do well in that series.
Please throw out it this team starting with Sarfaraz
[MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] during Misbah coaching:
Pakistani team is not performing well
has lost every match in every format
not able to get opposition out
BUT coach is not to blame and
captain needs to be given more chances [till we end up below Afghanistan in ranking]

:))
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Hm, except it's their first series, that too away, where we have failed since our inception, and a young exciting team, which is still being built.

What's your old profile? Definitely a fake. ;)
 
Omer2002 said:
He is not international.material i said it b4 and will say again...pitty on saffy and him are competing same as yasir shah no body to replace him...

Wish rohail nazir had more experience have high hopes
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Definitely not international class in T20s and to some extent ODIs too, but we don't have a replacement there.

In Tests he has earned the right to be given more chances.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hm, except it's their first series, that too away, where we have failed since our inception, and a young exciting team, which is still being built.

What's your old profile? Definitely a fake. ;)
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But you are genuine...in your feelings rofl.

Feels like Misbah the player never ever existed and he and others are EXTREMELY NEW to Pakistani public.
Btw Sri Lanka T20 series, Australia T20 series was not the first?
 
Hawkeye said:
Lol.

Interesting how this thread has progressed.

Probably sums up his batting. Nonetheless in Tests he deserves some more chances.
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You don't rate Rizwan that's fair enough. But guess who keeps on selecting him?

It's your hero Misbah. So instead of giving stick to Rizwan, you should be criticising the man who selected him.

Of course you won't do that because your ego is too big. :misbah
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]
 
Hasan123 said:
You don't rate Rizwan that's fair enough. But guess who keeps on selecting him?

It's your hero Misbah. So instead of giving stick to Rizwan, you should be criticising the man who selected him.

Of course you won't do that because your ego is too big. :misbah
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]
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If Rizwan isn't dropped from T20s soon then of course it will be the selectors fault.

You want me to trash Rizwan in Tests? :najam I base my opinion on abilities of a player and he deserves a chance in Tests.

So that's why I don't blindly support anyone even if it's a Misbah selection. Like Shan who should also be dropped.
 
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Hawkeye said:
If Rizwan isn't dropped from T20s soon then of course it will be the selectors fault.

You want me to trash Rizwan in Tests? :najam I base my opinion on abilities of a player and he deserves a chance in Tests.

So that's why I don't blindly support anyone even if it's a Misbah selection. Like Shan who should also be dropped.
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You don't want Rizwan playing in any format let's be honest.

Misbah doesn't like making too many changes so Rizwan is going to get a long run.

Let's see if you are critical of Misbah if Rizwan keeps on failing.
 
Hasan123 said:
You don't want Rizwan playing in any format let's be honest.

Misbah doesn't like making too many changes so Rizwan is going to get a long run.

Let's see if you are critical of Misbah if Rizwan keeps on failing.
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Yes, but he did change my mind in Tests. Showed decent ability, of course not world class but can be tried to average at least 38-40.
 
As always people are too early to strike players down. Countless players with poor starts to their careers were sticked with because of their potential or the teams knew they were the best they have got. Rizwan clearly has more ability than other WK batsmen we have in ODIs and tests which is proven by his FC, List A stats along with two centuries in single ODI series against Aus and in the last match scored the highest score by a Pakistani keeper in Aus.

When a keeper is breaking batting records of other keepers played for Pak in limited matches, we need to stick with him rather than the fans trying to strike him down after every innings. Patience is needed by our fans.
 
Look at the wrist slitters.
The guy scored 95 in his last innings and just failed once and people have started questioning his place in the team.

What a bunch of jokers these Pakistani supporters are.
 
Relic said:
Look at the wrist slitters.
The guy scored 95 in his last innings and just failed once and people have started questioning his place in the team.

What a bunch of jokers these Pakistani supporters are.
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highest score ever by a wk batsman in Aus that include their golden boy Sarfraz. Still the knives are out by fans whose favourite scored first fc hundred since 2014 couple of days ago against a domestic team.
 
Titan24 said:
As always people are too early to strike players down. Countless players with poor starts to their careers were sticked with because of their potential or the teams knew they were the best they have got. Rizwan clearly has more ability than other WK batsmen we have in ODIs and tests which is proven by his FC, List A stats along with two centuries in single ODI series against Aus and in the last match scored the highest score by a Pakistani keeper in Aus.

When a keeper is breaking batting records of other keepers played for Pak in limited matches, we need to stick with him rather than the fans trying to strike him down after every innings. Patience is needed by our fans.
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these people are happy with wk having appalling fitness and big belly with zero performance and 100% shouting and screaming. They don't deserve down to earth players like Rizwan
 
Rizwan has earned the right to be Pakistans first Choice Tests and ODI keeper.
He wafts at alot deliveries, teams will soon work him out.
Not good enough for T20s
 
Hasan123 said:
You don't rate Rizwan that's fair enough. But guess who keeps on selecting him?

It's your hero Misbah. So instead of giving stick to Rizwan, you should be criticising the man who selected him.

Of course you won't do that because your ego is too big. :misbah
[MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]
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Bang on the money here.

He also claimed Rizwan wouldn't make Afghanistan's test side. :facepalm:

The only Pakistani WK he rates funnily enough is Kamran Akmal.
 
topspin said:
Bang on the money here.

He also claimed Rizwan wouldn't make Afghanistan's test side. :facepalm:

The only Pakistani WK he rates funnily enough is Kamran Akmal.
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To be fair Kamran played some clutch innings in tests, like vs SA 2007 AND India 2006. But yes he was a horrible keeper.
 
HappyWarsFan said:
To be fair Kamran played some clutch innings in tests, like vs SA 2007 AND India 2006. But yes he was a horrible keeper.
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There is no doubt he had a lot of natural ability (like Umar Akmal does as well), however he did not fulfil even 50% of his capacity.

I will always have fond memories of the innings he played at NSK against India (in 2006). I remember at the time it was reported as one of the best hundreds ever made by a Pakistani batsman. From 39/6 and then rescue the team to a c.250 score was a remarkable achievement. If he hadn't of delivered, Pakistan would have lost the series 1-0 (instead of winning it by that margin).

For every drop, there should have been one egg thrown at him by the Coach in the dressing room. Problem is he would have needed a lot of eggs :))
 
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He looked solid again. Looks like a proper batsman to be honest and can make the team on merit as a batsman alone and his keeping is world class as well. He is shaping up to be world class tests and ODI prospect. I can see him breaking many records set by mediocre wicket keeper batsmen we produced barring Kami.
 
It's laughable when people say he is just a test batsman. He scored 2 100s on his comeback against Australia not long ago and this is an achievement as I don't remember any other Pak wk doing that.
 
He seems to have made improvements in his game against spin, so kudos to him. Deserves a long rope in the Test and ODI side.
 
MRSN said:
He looked solid again. Looks like a proper batsman to be honest and can make the team on merit as a batsman alone and his keeping is world class as well. He is shaping up to be world class tests and ODI prospect. I can see him breaking many records set by mediocre wicket keeper batsmen we produced barring Kami.
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Yes agreed atleast he didn’t embarrass himself behind the stumps as Kami did In Australia
So credit to him
 
Shazzam said:
Flopped again. So only one 95.
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yes. he should be scoring 95 every innings.lol

if I am not wrong he finishes the tour with 2nd highest scorer very close to being leading run scorer. Not bad for someone who is exceptional behind the stumps.
 
Asif321 said:
Yes agreed atleast he didn’t embarrass himself behind the stumps as Kami did In Australia
So credit to him
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Also refreshing to see our wk batsman finally performing for a change unlike previous legend who was enjoying his free ride and took things for granted by growing fat belly.

It's also refreshing to see our wk without a fat belly and fake swag.
 
MRSN said:
Also refreshing to see our wk batsman finally performing for a change unlike previous legend who was enjoying his free ride and took things for granted by growing fat belly.

It's also refreshing to see our wk without a fat belly and fake swag.
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Yeah same like Kami who not only was horrible with bat in Australia but even more horrible behind the wicket. After him both wicketkeepers have done a good job in Australia. Kami holded the test wk spot unnecessary for so long
 
topspin said:
Bang on the money here.

He also claimed Rizwan wouldn't make Afghanistan's test side. :facepalm:

The only Pakistani WK he rates funnily enough is Kamran Akmal.
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He supports someone like Hafeez selection in ODIs when he has a strike rate of 76 LOL.
 
Hasan123 said:
He supports someone like Hafeez selection in ODIs when he has a strike rate of 76 LOL.
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I'm sure Misbah will find a way to fulfil this wish of his. Only he is capable of turning a dream like this of his into reality.
 
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You could fit a car in the gap between his bat and pad. Poor technique.
 
He is awful and always has been

1 or 2 good innings out of 15
That's him

Unfortunately we don't have many WK
 
hitthestump said:
Mark my words, Rizwan can and will play all formats successfully within 2 years.

He was a beast in the national t20 cup and his current form has carried on from there. Bit of time and confidence and he will start proving all of his doubters wrong.
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Lol

He has done nothing in his international career since he has started
No consistency
No show of potential
 
Ami said:
ppl are allowed to fail...give the guy a break
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It's not about failures, its the way these batsmen get out. Both him and shafiq play with an angled bat, as did sarfraz. What's the point of having recordings and coaches when they don't teach you to rectify the issues?
 
two good catches today. His keeping has been excellent since comeback.
 
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