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[VIDEOS] Humble pie thread for those who doubted Mohammad Rizwan

MRSN said:
It's laughable when people say he is just a test batsman. He scored 2 100s on his comeback against Australia not long ago and this is an achievement as I don't remember any other Pak wk doing that.
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But I believe Pakistan still lost both matches.
 
His keeping is so good this Test series.

Also good DRS calls.

Ugly batting in the 1st innings but good in the 2nd - getting better and better there! Troubled with genuine pace still a bit.

Good call Misbah to kick Sarfraz out.
 
Good, fit keeper. He’s decent so I don’t think there is any need to change him
 
Impressed with his work with reviews.

He seems to be pretty sharp when it comes to asking/not asking for reviews.
 
I was commenting on Rizwan's string of performances. I really want him to do well as i rate him quite highly in the longer format but think that the shorter format is not tailored to his style.

I don't really like Shafiq as well, he doesn't exactly light the stage on fire with his performances. I'd still want Fawad in for Haris just because i feel that that performance meant nothing to me. I reckon strong possibility Fawad plays against SA.
 
They need to get rid of Azhar Ali and get fawad Alam in

That’s the only missing link


Azhar Ali is done - his shots are ugly, footwork is nowhere to be found
 
Right now he's a better option than Sarfraz, so will continue to get games.

If his batting flops though for 5-7 matches, then yes we can start looking at alternatives. Sarfraz will bring lots of politics, needs to stay out.
 
I like Rizwan. Fit, agile, can score and is absolutely spot on with DRS calls.

He's more of a second innings scorer, like Yasir Shah, both are better in the second innings (Rizwan with runs, Yasir with wickets).

He already averages 32 in around 6 matches (9 innings) and is a gun in the field, so I think the hope is out for Sarfaraz; he's been outclassed by Rizwan as of recent.

The only real competition Rizwan has in my eyes is Umar Siddiq, he is an able scorer too, but he opens while Rizwan bats in the middle.
 
khan_aa said:
They need to get rid of Azhar Ali and get fawad Alam in

That’s the only missing link


Azhar Ali is done - his shots are ugly, footwork is nowhere to be found
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There's a reason why we're winning under Azhar. If it was up to me, I'd take off Haris Sohail as Haris Sohail is a bit inconsistent with the bat in Tests despite his 75. He can bowl, but so can Shafiq and Fawad.
 
Shoaibbtt said:
Pretty lame.
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Say lame all you want but
0 was under difficult circumstances (Starc under the lights, Pink Ball)
45 was made after batting with the tail end for a while.
4 was just a bad shot.
21* was when Pakistan were 555-3, he could have easily surpassed 50 and maybe even 100, he WAS striking at 110 (21 off 19)
10 was also when Pakistan amassed a high score, so he probably rushed it.

I think 7 is WAY too low for him though. I'd send him at around 4 or 5.
 
bizenjo said:
Say lame all you want but
0 was under difficult circumstances (Starc under the lights, Pink Ball)
45 was made after batting with the tail end for a while.
4 was just a bad shot.
21* was when Pakistan were 555-3, he could have easily surpassed 50 and maybe even 100, he WAS striking at 110 (21 off 19)
10 was also when Pakistan amassed a high score, so he probably rushed it.

I think 7 is WAY too low for him though. I'd send him at around 4 or 5.
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Sorry bro I'll retract my statement and if you were offended i apologise. I wholeheartedly wish to see him doing well, I reckon his current position is probably about ideal and where most wicket keepers bat. I reckon a wise lower order batsman knows how to play with the tail i.e. give them minimum strike and ensure they only face 1-2 balls in an over. I reckon this will make him a much more aggressive batsman which is what he lacks in his t20 game (i really don't think he's suited to t20 but worthy or test and odi).

I reckon no.4 is Babar's position which i think he should remain rightfully his else if it was up to me i'd drop Azhar and have Babar bat at 3. No. 5 i reckon that goes to Fawad in my ideal XI, however you can perhaps bump Rizwan up to 6 and see how he does and have Asad bat at no.7 maybe.
 
So we are just going to ignore this thread now?

Maybe Rizwan is the captain we all want and we can feel that our team is heading in the right direction? The reluctance to criticise this man's batting is so hypocritical especially considering the flack some players receive here!
 
Rana said:
So we are just going to ignore this thread now?

Maybe Rizwan is the captain we all want and we can feel that our team is heading in the right direction? The reluctance to criticise this man's batting is so hypocritical especially considering the flack some players receive here!
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He’s coming off a century in the intra squads matches, comfortably the most consistent WK-batsman at FC level for the last 2-3 years and put in a decent output on his first tour to Australia- the very place where nearly all our batsman have historically struggled. Yes, he has some glaring technical issues but he’s a major upgrade over Sarfaraz as both a batsman and a WK.
 
Ellipsism said:
He’s coming off a century in the intra squads matches, comfortably the most consistent WK-batsman at FC level for the last 2-3 years and put in a decent output on his first tour to Australia- the very place where nearly all our batsman have historically struggled. Yes, he has some glaring technical issues but he’s a major upgrade over Sarfaraz as both a batsman and a WK.
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More than technical, his problems are mental, with his lack of composure and belief.
Always looks jittery and a borderline nervous-wreck.
You cant execute with that frame of mind.
 
He never looked settled in the middle. His technique will get badly exposed here in England. He has to tighten up and quick.
 
Uzi said:
He never looked settled in the middle. His technique will get badly exposed here in England. He has to tighten up and quick.
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Will get?

I think Mohammad Abbass will show a better technique than that horror show we saw
 
I’m not going to allow this guy to get away cheaply here.

That was the most horrendous 9 runs I have seen since Imran Farhat and Faisal Iqbal played a Test match for Pakistan.

Who picks these jokers?
 
Strange lack of confidence in Rizwan...seems like a walking wicket against any seamer bowling 85+
 
He got dismissed by a good ball and was in during a very tricky period to bat in.

Write him off at your peril imo, he's got a lot more to offer than what we saw today.
 
hitthestump said:
He got dismissed by a good ball and was in during a very tricky period to bat in.

Write him off at your peril imo, he's got a lot more to offer than what we saw today.
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This! This is my issue! Why are his supporters so adamant to prove that he is the one that is unlucky rather than he is simply not good enough with his poor technique? I wouldn’t even mind this but 99% of the posters here really go after certain names of Pakistan batting. Why is this man so protected and shielded here??
 
Rana said:
I’m not going to allow this guy to get away cheaply here.

That was the most horrendous 9 runs I have seen since Imran Farhat and Faisal Iqbal played a Test match for Pakistan.

Who picks these jokers?
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Chill it's only 1 innings judge after 3 matches
 
He will always be rubbish. The commentators just absolutely mauled him on air, for his non-existent technique.

However, he deserves his chance. Since Sarfraz did nothing of note in the warm-up games, while Rizwan got a good hundred.

We really need to find a decent wicket-keeper :facepalm:
 
A failure innings = “drop him, Rizwan is mediocre”, a successful innings = “humble pie to the haters, what’d I tell you??” No middle ground for Rizwan here unfortunately.

Not a good knock from him today. He’s gonna be given a long rope to see how his performances fair. So for now, let’s just see how this series goes for him.
 
Much better from Rizwan in this innings but bad call to get Asad run out.
 
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One of the best glovesmen in the world. And an insanely good call to review to get Stokes out. He insisted
 
The lad has kept wicket brilliantly.

Excellent review also of Stokes.
 
Very interesting to see what a leader he is on the pitch. One of the talkers, motivating his team-mates, alert, keeping his team-mates on their toes.
 
Rizwan is a Gem. Hope the ball is not dropped in handling him.

Self Explanatory.

Since my time watching Pak cricket I have seen the following keepers

Rashid & Moin - Both we’re decent bats with Moin being more destructive but they had fighting qualities and were competent keepers with Rashid being the better glove man.

Kamran Akmal- in terms of Batting talent, the best of the bunch. It’s one of crickets biggest mysteries of how a player can go from Karachi,Mohali to Sydney and it’s aftermath in a span of a couple of years . Anyway his keeping skills are part of folklore so I will let it be.

Sarfaraz- Gritty bat and adequate keeper but not someone you would expect to score daddy 100’s or pull of blinders. Good leader though but not enough to keep his spot as a player on current form or past few months.

Rizwan as a keeper is probably In the elite category of Saha and the SL keeper who is pretty good. As a bat here is a guy who is capable of scoring daddy 100’s in SC and be the best bat in the side in overseas conditions.

You guys have stumbled upon a gem. Now ball is in PCB and team management’s court on how they groom him.

you guys have found a true gem. Focus on players like this than going for glamor or playing for the galleries.

Good luck!!!
 
Rizwan is a kind of keeper that Pakistanis were hoping Kamran should have been.
 
Can remember when Sarfraz fans told me no one is better than Sarfraz in the country .:)))
 
Guy who scores first class and List A runs for fun succeeds in international cricket. Who would've thought?
 
Rana said:
This! This is my issue! Why are his supporters so adamant to prove that he is the one that is unlucky rather than he is simply not good enough with his poor technique? I wouldn’t even mind this but 99% of the posters here really go after certain names of Pakistan batting. Why is this man so protected and shielded here??
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:) i made a mental note of this post at the time lol, glad to see that Rizwan didn't take long to show he's got a lot more in his locker.

His glovework alone has been exemplary. This innings with the bat may as well seal Sarfaraz's test match retirement.
 
LOL. This guy might as well go into politics right after cricket. Very much loved here and has more die hard fans in Pakistan than Tendulkar has in India
 
I hold my hands up. I can generally spot a decent bat pretty quickly but I saw him in the UAE after he scored some 100s and looked so unbalanced and ackward defending that I could not see him developing. But he has proved me wrong, let's hope he kicks on as many of these keepers start well to prove a point but fall away very quickly. They must keep Sarfraz as a challenger as complacency is a big problem for our players and Sarfraz has a good 3 years left in him
 
Rana said:
LOL. This guy might as well go into politics right after cricket. Very much loved here and has more die hard fans in Pakistan than Tendulkar has in India
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Meanwhile, here are Rizwan's predecessor's away stats against all teams except Sri Lanka and Bangladesh:

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Rizwan with another vital performance batting with the tail. Certainly silenced his doubters now.
 
I think Pakistan should stick with him for a long time. He has been a great keeper and now he is starting to score runs too.
 
Muhammad10 said:
wHo pIcKs tHeSe JoKeRs

Meanwhile, here are Rizwan's predecessor's away stats against all teams except Sri Lanka and Bangladesh:

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Taking out Sri Lanka stats is kinda stupid. That would take down averages by quite a few notches for all our batsmen. And there is no reason since they are a team at a similar level and actually beat us in UAE
 
Anyways he’s proven me wrong esp with his keeping so far.
 
Slog said:
Taking out Sri Lanka stats is kinda stupid. That would take down averages by quite a few notches for all our batsmen. And there is no reason since they are a team at a similar level and actually beat us in UAE
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The point was mainly about away stats in unfamiliar conditions. Though I guess WI can also be excluded for this purpose as their tracks have become a bit like UAE tracks.
 
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Muhammad10 said:
wHo pIcKs tHeSe JoKeRs

Meanwhile, here are Rizwan's predecessor's away stats against all teams except Sri Lanka and Bangladesh:

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**FAKE STATS ALERT**

Sarfraz played 9 tests against SL and 2 against BD - so how do Test go down from 49 to 22?

We all have access to Cricnfo - no point in lying about the data you get from there

Also, I'm not an advocate of bringing back Sarfraz - but it should also be noted that Sarfraz averaged 56 against Australia with SR of 76 in 8 tests.
 
That other wicketkeeper's fans are hiding in the cave now.Rizwan has been wonderful in both the departments.He is here to stay for long time. That other guy can only dream of scoring 72 in those conditions.
 
coy0607 said:
**FAKE STATS ALERT**

Sarfraz played 9 tests against SL and 2 against BD - so how do Test go down from 49 to 22?

We all have access to Cricnfo - no point in lying about the data you get from there

Also, I'm not an advocate of bringing back Sarfraz - but it should also be noted that Sarfraz averaged 56 against Australia with SR of 76 in 8 tests.
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he specifically said away stats so the numbers arent wrong

but obv the bias is clear. most batsmen away stats are not as good and i see no reason to exclude sri lanka lol. that just gives away
 
Invincible Gujjar said:
That other wicketkeeper's fans are hiding in the cave now.Rizwan has been wonderful in both the departments.He is here to stay for long time. That other guy can only dream of scoring 72 in those conditions.
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he has scored 72* in australia when rest of team didnt even get 40.

as of now he is pakistan's greatest ever wicketkeeper batsman.
 
Muhammad10 said:
wHo pIcKs tHeSe JoKeRs

Meanwhile, here are Rizwan's predecessor's away stats against all teams except Sri Lanka and Bangladesh:

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Using same metrics (take out WI), Azhar Ali's average drops to 28 LMAO. Asad Shafiq's to 32 AND Misbah's to 29 :)))

All it shows is that its a stupid metric
 
His keeping has always been fantastic.

Glad to see him amongst the runs but he needs to stop playing at every ball.
 
Slog said:
he specifically said away stats so the numbers arent wrong

but obv the bias is clear. most batsmen away stats are not as good and i see no reason to exclude sri lanka lol. that just gives away
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It is pretty common to look at stats outside Asia for Asian players to assess how they perform in unfamiliar conditions. I can share Azhar's pathetic recent stats outside Asia if that will make you feel better, lol. The point is not about bias. The issue is the nauseating whining of certain people in the media who want to make the dropping of Sarfraz seem like regional discrimination rather than a change that was based on merit.

The whole drama about Sarfraz carrying drinks as if he should be given some sort of VIP treatment was beyond infuriating. He is not in the team at the moment, and for good reason. Therefore, our media should stop obsessing over him and focus on what is actually happening in the team with passengers like Azhar and Asad costing us time and again.
 
Slog said:
Using same metrics (take out WI), Azhar Ali's average drops to 28 LMAO. Asad Shafiq's to 32 AND Misbah's to 29 :)))

All it shows is that its a stupid metric
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Lol, do you think I am in favour of Azhar and Asad? They should have been kicked out at the same time as Sarfraz. Misbah's weaknesses in unfamiliar conditions are well known.
 
This is fun!

Hafeez avg drops to 17 :)))
Shehzad hasnt played in ANY of those countries #canttouchthis
Kamran Akmal averaged 19
YK to 44 #respect
Yousuf 42
Inzi 41

This poster has some insane expectations from Sarfaraz. If halfway though his career, Rizwan averages even 33 in this metric he would have had an amazing amazing career
 
Muhammad10 said:
Lol, do you think I am in favour of Azhar and Asad? They should have been kicked out at the same time as Sarfraz.
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forget them.
all our batsmen through history barring a few should have been kicked out
 
Slog said:
This is fun!

Hafeez avg drops to 17 :)))
Shehzad hasnt played in ANY of those countries #canttouchthis
Kamran Akmal averaged 19
YK to 44 #respect
Yousuf 42
Inzi 41

This poster has some insane expectations from Sarfaraz. If halfway though his career, Rizwan averages even 33 in this metric he would have had an amazing amazing career
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Hafeez and Kami... you aren't really helping Sarfraz's cause with these names.
 
Even if we leave aside Sarfraz's unflattering overall away stats, a quick look at his recent form shows how dismally he had been performing. His average in the past three years is 25.81. In the last four years, he has averaged below 30. It is shameful to see the people in the media play regional politics over him not being in the team after his consistent lack of performance. Koi sharam hoti hai...

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Sarfaraz was dropped because he averaged 40+ before captaincy and 25ish with captaincy. Rizwan put pressure on him with good performances in FC cricket and will probably surpass that 25 by a reasonable margin. Simple.
 
Abdullah719 said:
Sarfaraz was dropped because he averaged 40+ before captaincy and 25ish with captaincy. Rizwan put pressure on him with good performances in FC cricket and will probably surpass that 25 by a reasonable margin. Simple.
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We need to move on from players who produce mediocre performances over a long period of time, whether it is Sarfraz, Azhar or Shafiq. A Test team cannot perform consistently if it settles for mediocrity and carries passengers.
 
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coy0607 said:
**FAKE STATS ALERT**

Sarfraz played 9 tests against SL and 2 against BD - so how do Test go down from 49 to 22?

We all have access to Cricnfo - no point in lying about the data you get from there

Also, I'm not an advocate of bringing back Sarfraz - but it should also be noted that Sarfraz averaged 56 against Australia with SR of 76 in 8 tests.
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Try to read the post properly before accusing others of falsifying stats. Thanks.
 
Muhammad10 said:
We need to move on from players who produce mediocre performances over a long period of time, whether it is Sarfraz, Azhar or Shafiq. A Test team cannot perform consistently if it settles for mediocrity and carries passengers.
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There was a post by [MENTION=36958]Energy[/MENTION] summarised very nicely, thus:

Brace yourself for Misbah specials:

1. We had inexperienced bowling attack, they will learn with every tour
2. Playing after 5 months due to Corona and therefore were not match-fit
3. Asad Shafiq and Azhar Ali are our senior players and match-winners
4. Babar Azam and Shan Masood have been positive and have a bright future
5. Spinners bowled really well
6. We will learn from our mistakes
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So basically Misbah will still consider Azhar and Shafiq as match winners, 'the future of our batting' and most importantly they're our seniors.

Doubt they'll be going anywhere soon except on the next tour flight to NZ.
 
Muhammad10 said:
Hafeez and Kami... you aren't really helping Sarfraz's cause with these names.
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Then you really don’t know cricket. You want me to compare him Pak batting ATGs like Younis khan and Yousuf? Which world do you live in?

The simple fact is that he has done equivalent to most of our ‘specialist’ batsmen so if anyone has to be on chopping block he is way behind on the list from that era.

Also he has the best stats of this ridiculous metric from any pakiStani keeper.

I agree his time to be dropped had come but your logic is frankly senseless
 
Abdullah719 said:
Sarfaraz was dropped because he averaged 40+ before captaincy and 25ish with captaincy. Rizwan put pressure on him with good performances in FC cricket and will probably surpass that 25 by a reasonable margin. Simple.
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This is just Rizwan’s start tho. Let’s see his stats after 20 matches. Sarfaraz was on his way to ATG wicketkeeper batsman after first 10-15 matches
 
Slog said:
Then you really don’t know cricket. You want me to compare him Pak batting ATGs like Younis khan and Yousuf? Which world do you live in?

The simple fact is that he has done equivalent to most of our ‘specialist’ batsmen so if anyone has to be on chopping block he is way behind on the list from that era.

Also he has the best stats of this ridiculous metric from any pakiStani keeper.

I agree his time to be dropped had come but your logic is frankly senseless
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He was pretty good in Asian conditions but the overseas numbers are mediocre. Times have changed and keeper bats are expected to perform decently with the bat too. While he was performing with the bat, he was good enough to be in the team despite struggling overseas, as was arguably the case with the likes of Azhar. However, in recent years, his overall stats have also been underwhelming, so this overseas metric is only one aspect of his shortcomings.
 
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Muhammad10 said:
Even if we leave aside Sarfraz's unflattering overall away stats, a quick look at his recent form shows how dismally he had been performing. His average in the past three years is 25.81. In the last four years, he has averaged below 30. It is shameful to see the people in the media play regional politics over him not being in the team after his consistent lack of performance. Koi sharam hoti hai...

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Sarfraz mediocrity is well known. He used to promote Hassan and Imad above himself. lol
 
Rizwan is one of those batsmen who don't look good to eyes technically but he does his job and that is all what we needed. He is not even a full time batsman. We need him to do his job with the gloves which he has been doing fantastically well. His performances with the bat have been quite decent and looking at his FC track record, he will only improve. I will always take him ovwr Sarfraz just because he is miles better than Sarfraz as a wicket keeper. Sarfraz actually had a pathetic record with the gloves as he was famous for missing chances every innings and we have seen Rizwan has been an upgrade. His batting is a plus
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well-deserved Man of the Match award to Mohammad Rizwan. Gutsy innings and once again very good behind the stumps <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvPAK?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvPAK</a> <a href="https://t.co/RMtaJvD6Oa">pic.twitter.com/RMtaJvD6Oa</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1295412890510544898?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 17, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
His keeping has been immaculate. Can't remember the last time I saw such a performance behind the stumps from a Pakistani WK.
 
MRSN said:
Rizwan is one of those batsmen who don't look good to eyes technically but he does his job and that is all what we needed. He is not even a full time batsman. We need him to do his job with the gloves which he has been doing fantastically well. His performances with the bat have been quite decent and looking at his FC track record, he will only improve. I will always take him ovwr Sarfraz just because he is miles better than Sarfraz as a wicket keeper. Sarfraz actually had a pathetic record with the gloves as he was famous for missing chances every innings and we have seen Rizwan has been an upgrade. His batting is a plus
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I think you are actually wrong on both counts:

1. Sarfraz, though not as good as Rizwan with the gloves, was a good wicket keeper - better than Bairstow, Butler, Kamran Akmal and any others in that category. Actually his keeping helped us win crucial games in England. He only dropped very tough chances generally.

2. Rizwan is a ‘full time batsman’ as his record in FC cricket demonstrates. At least he is as much of a ‘full time batsman’ as Sarfraz was.
 
Needs to be batting up the order. Was brilliant in Aus and now good in Eng too but the problem is that he is running out of batting partners at the other end. Could easily have had a couple of centuries by now. This is the same problem Babar had in SA.

Babar at 4, Rizwan at 5 for the next test. Asad might as well be the tail and I don't think Fawad is going to be much different.
 
On Sarfraz, it's about time. He stayed for a couple of years too long in tests, Rizwan should have come in then.

Now he shouldn't really be an option, not even as a backup. Rizwan first choice and then Rohail as backup.
 
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