[VIDEOS] "I just learnt what that 'kalu' meant when I played for Sunrisers in the IPL": Darren Sammy

[sjahmed23]

Dark skinned people are treated horribly in the sub continent (me being one) I can attest there is bias against versus light skinned people. I used to get called kallu, bangali, tamil while growing up by our very own desis who get offended when someone calls them **** lol.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

The word "black" isn't offensive in the English language, the word "ni***r" is, which is derived from Latin and means black.

n*gro is Spanish for black and is used casually for describing things, but is a taboo to refer to a person.

We may not have the same level of racial controversy or historical context surrounding the Urdu/Hindi word "Kala" as the word n****r, but still the word is seen as an offensive term to use for other people.

Saying "You have Kale hair" is ok in Urdu just like "tumhara rang bohot kala hai" (you skin color is black) but referring to somebody as "kalu" in person demands a prior mutual understanding, otherwise it is offensive and insulting.

Going up to an African American and saying “Hey, black guy!” is offensive.

 

[Sirris]

Going up to an African American and saying “Hey, black guy!” is offensive.

America can be a complicated place, I guess.

I see the neutral usage of black when referring to people, like in Black lives matter, and assumed it is a passable usage.

Is going up to a White American and saying "Hey, white guy" offensive?

 

[Sirris]

Dark skinned people are treated horribly in the sub continent (me being one) I can attest there is bias against versus light skinned people. I used to get called kallu, bangali, tamil while growing up by our very own desis who get offended when someone calls them **** lol.

Did you grow up around Indians? Who'd call you Tamil? Don't think an average Pakistani knows about the Tamil people.

 

[someone21]

Ey homeboy, Afro-Americans in USA call eachother "n***a".

Why don't you go up to one of their hood and say:

"hey n***az what's up! "
"I am trying to assimilate into your culture, my n***az"

It's obvious, all you are trying to do is defend your pride and ego since it's heavily attached to India/Indian team.

It's hilarious to see all the attempts to save the inflated pride on the expense of personal integrity.

You apply western meanings to India/Asian words, that is silly and wrong.

The word "kalu" said by his old teammates had no malice, so it is untrustworthy of Sammy to call it racism. One don't accuse their friends/family of racism when they call him kalu. One may not like the term, but racism is a different and severe accusation.

There are two cases, one is generic with the word, and other with Sammy specific. The word in generic is common used and no racial overtones. And Sammy lacks consistency, as he is fine when the word implied "strong black man".

 

[Sirris]

You apply western meanings to India/Asian words, that is silly and wrong.

The word "kalu" said by his old teammates had no malice, so it is untrustworthy of Sammy to call it racism. One don't accuse their friends/family of racism when they call him kalu. One may not like the term, but racism is a different and severe accusation.

There are two cases, one is generic with the word, and other with Sammy specific. The word in generic is common used and no racial overtones. And Sammy lacks consistency, as he is fine when the word implied "strong black man".

The post was supposed to draw attention to the point that when different cultures come in contact a certain caution has to be applied.

In his video, which I bothered to watch, since I don't like talking about stuff without knowledge, Sammy didn't accuse anyone of racism. He said he would like to have a conversation with his former Indian team mates and would like to find out if there were any derogatory thoughts behind using the term.

You most probably didn't watch the video. He originally thought it meant "strong stallion". I am pretty sure he didn't come up with that meaning and someone must have intentionally told him the wrong meaning once.

I don't apply any western standard to the word. I don't feel obliged to protect any pride and find it easy to be honest:

"Kala" and it's various variations are in no way on the same level as the word "n****r". The racist context and history doesn't exist. Hence there is not equivalent of the racist term in Urdu/Hindi.

Referring to some one as "Kala" may not be racism.
However, when calling some one that, it's always meant as a form of ridicule and mockery. The person being addressed like that always see it as an offense and insult, unless you have established a proper understanding beforehand.

Referring to an African by that term, given the cultural differences" is highly insensitive and a malicious intent can't be ruled out.

So, when are you going to visit your friend and say

"Kali Amma-ji you cook so well"

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you are going to be a lawyer about this whole issue and use words like "allegedly" than be more accurate when stating those "allegations".

Mr. Lawyer where did Sammy say it was in a friendly manner? He doesn't know the intention. That's what you are reading into it.

Infact he alleges that every time he would be called the word there would be a laughter by the players. Sounds more like ridicule than friendliness to me, particularly when you don't make the effort to first tell him what the term means.

Sammy also alleges that the word was used so many time for him that he used it as his name and thought the word meant "Strong Stallion", which may perhaps explain him not speaking up before.

Sammy is also wise enough to not come to any conclusions on his own and alleges he is going to text those players he remember and would like a conversation with them, whether they meant it in a degrading way or not.

I am going to allege that Indians players are most likely going to lie about the nature of their intent just like some Indian posters here.

Perhaps Indians don't care but I'd like Pakistanis to be bigger than their egos and rethink this bad aspect of our culture which we take for granted.

Till Sammy provides proof, these are allegations. Nothing else. If he names anyone and cant prove it, he is in for a defamation suit.

You can allege anything, please do it. That doesn't make it the truth, unless you have proof.
If it was used as a unfriendly gesture, facial expressions and tone of the voice reveal it.

Right now all we have is Sammys version, which is not even confirmed by a srilankan player he named.

 

[hashimafzal]

The fact that people are DEFENDING the use of the word "k*luu" is absolutely embarrassing and just gives you the bigger picture of how rampant racism actually is in South Asian culture.

There is nothing wrong to identify someone by the color of their skin. Example, "The man was black" , "The shop keeper is brown"

However, when you are addressing someone as the color of their skin you are essentially taking away every bit of that persons personality and simply reducing them to the color of their skin. That is absolutely unacceptable and has no place in any society. Would you begin going up to someone and just address them as "black" or something in reference to the color of their skin, which they have no control over?

How would you like it if white people began addressing you as "brownie" or another slur?

And yes, K*luu is in fact a derogatory word. We come from the same culture that tells little girls and boys that it is not okay to be dark skinned by SELLING them fairness creams, and if they aren't "fair skinned" we will call them words like "k*luu"

Please don't respond with any **. Even if the intent isn't there to be racist we must get rid of this mentality by accepting it is wrong as opposed to defending it.

 

[hashimafzal]

These blacks need to stop taking offence to facts ie the colour of their skin is black. If someone tells them these facts to their face, they need to stop getting offended, defensive and sensitive. Be comfortable in your skin and people will eventually stop caring and stop doing it

This post is so IGNORANT my god

 

[someone21]

The post was supposed to draw attention to the point that when different cultures come in contact a certain caution has to be applied.

In his video, which I bothered to watch, since I don't like talking about stuff without knowledge, Sammy didn't accuse anyone of racism. He said he would like to have a conversation with his former Indian team mates and would like to find out if there were any derogatory thoughts behind using the term.

You most probably didn't watch the video. He originally thought it meant "strong stallion". I am pretty sure he didn't come up with that meaning and someone must have intentionally told him the wrong meaning once.

I don't apply any western standard to the word. I don't feel obliged to protect any pride and find it easy to be honest:

"Kala" and it's various variations are in no way on the same level as the word "n****r". The racist context and history doesn't exist. Hence there is not equivalent of the racist term in Urdu/Hindi.

Referring to some one as "Kala" may not be racism.
However, when calling some one that, it's always meant as a form of ridicule and mockery. The person being addressed like that always see it as an offense and insult, unless you have established a proper understanding beforehand.

Referring to an African by that term, given the cultural differences" is highly insensitive and a malicious intent can't be ruled out.

So, when are you going to visit your friend and say

"Kali Amma-ji you cook so well"

So just because Sammy thinks the word has racist meaning, we all have to agree to the meaning? Who gives him or you the right to decide? And again, he thinks not knows. Finally, this word is been for long time, and commonly used by everybody, be it friends or family. You may not be comfortable with the word, but calling it racist is plain stupid.

If anything, you and him needs to do cultural training, and understand the native viewpoint. That's how society works.

And the broader issue is nobody wants an evil friend like Sammy. Imagine, having some jokes of no malice with couple of friends. Then, few years later, this friend publicity calls you out for racism. That itself would be seen as black-mailing or ruining of the person's reputation.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

America can be a complicated place, I guess.

I see the neutral usage of black when referring to people, like in Black lives matter, and assumed it is a passable usage.

Is going up to a White American and saying "Hey, white guy" offensive?

It comes down to history, culture and context.

Whites have no problem being defined by the color of their skin because historically they’ve never been oppressed because of it. That’s the key difference between saying “Hey, white guy” and “Hey, black guy”

If it happened to be that I knew the white person might find the term offensive, I wouldn’t use it. And I don’t use it in general because in general defining anyone, even a white guy, by the color of their skin just doesn’t make sense.

Same goes for “kaala, kalu” etc. We know it can be taken offensively for a fact. So don’t use it. There is a history of systematic prejudice in the west, but also in the subcontinent where we take color of your skin as a marker of caste.

We need to educate ourselves.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Interesting parts: "My fellow Indians", "our players P@ki".

Why would they call Indian players that way?

Yeah 'My fellow Indians' and 'our players'. What are you trying to say lol?

May be you should read the thread and quoted posts above before jumping in like a desperate cheerleader.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

So just because Sammy thinks the word has racist meaning, we all have to agree to the meaning? Who gives him or you the right to decide?

His ancestors’ history of oppression gives him the right to decide. Any word that distinguishes on the basis of skin is oppressive. No matter whether it’s a white guy using it or a brown guy.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The issue is that he doesn’t seem to have a shred of credibility because he is being highly selective. If you want to play the victim card at least be consistent.

There is nothing to look into his moaning as far as I am concerned.

There is literally an instagram post of Ishant Sharma where the refers to him as ''kallu'' in the caption. What's ironic though is that you are accusing him of playing the victim card and milking the situation without having a shred of evidence to prove so yourself.

People like you who disregard these seemingly small incidents of casual racism enable an environment where the vast majority of our general public think its okay to use these kind of racist and derogatory terms. What's worse in our case is that people don't even think there is anything wrong with it. No wonder South Asia is one of the most racist regions in the world.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Has Thisara perera concured? If not, how does Sammy prove this? Or is his word the bottom line?

At the most Ishant saud it, who else?

Has Ishant Sharma or any SRH player denied it? If not then yes his word is the bottom line. Because when a professional cricketer who btw has no past history of lying or cheating says something like this you take him for his word.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why can't Sammy just treat it as a joke and move on? People make jokes at the workplace all the times for e.g. the gora jews in my office make jokes against the chinese and koreans in my office who laugh and joke about it rather than create a hissy fit about discrimination and the world being against them.

Sammy has to realize that being black, people will always make a mention of a black person's skin without any mallifide intent. You make a mountain hole of this all the time, you just unnecessarily fuel hatred and bigotry to extremists

Extremely ignorant post. You need to either read some history or read it again because clearly you weren't paying attention the first time.

Also, try calling your Chinese and Korean friends 'chink' or 'gook' and see how they respond. I'd like to see just how open-minded they are.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Has Ishant Sharma or any SRH player denied it? If not then yes his word is the bottom line. Because when a professional cricketer who btw has no past history of lying or cheating says something like this you take him for his word.

Ishant can't deny it. He was caught red handed.

 

[someone21]

His ancestors’ history of oppression gives him the right to decide. Any word that distinguishes on the basis of skin is oppressive. No matter whether it’s a white guy using it or a brown guy.

Using your logic, then blacks can never be racists. And that is fundamentally false, and every community has its racists....

Don't use anglais or western meaning to our own native words. Thats being cultural insensitive and you ought to do some cultural training...

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Ishant can't deny it. He was caught red handed.

Neither will any other Sunrisers player.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Using your logic, then blacks can never be racists. And that is fundamentally false, and every community has its racists....

Don't use anglais or western meaning to our own native words. Thats being cultural insensitive and you ought to do some cultural training...

You have missed his point by about a country mile. If a black uses terms that are considered racist and derogatory by Chinese, Koreans or Pakistanis then that man is most definitely a racist.

What you are doing is shamelessly defending racism. People in South Asia use the native words in a derogatory way and you know that very well. And frankly its about time this kind of shameless casual racism is called out, it has no place in the 21st century. If this term wasn't derogatory Sarfraz would not have apologized. But he did because everyone who heard him say it knew it was derogatory and chastised him for it.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Darren Sammy is desperately crying for attention. Zalmi and Javed Afridi need to be careful of this guy. He can play the victim card as and when he stops enjoying benefits from you.

 

[hashimafzal]

Darren Sammy is desperately crying for attention. Zalmi and Javed Afridi need to be careful of this guy. He can play the victim card as and when he stops enjoying benefits from you.

Disgusting mentality. There is no excuse for racism. None.

 

[Mamoon]

Disgusting mentality. There is no excuse for racism. None.

Neither is there any excuse for being selective. Sammy is clearly milking it and deserves no sympathy.

 

[Mamoon]

Darren Sammy is desperately crying for attention. Zalmi and Javed Afridi need to be careful of this guy. He can play the victim card as and when he stops enjoying benefits from you.

He will cry about the racist Zalmi chant when he is done with PSL. Right now, PSL money is more important than his self-respect.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Disgusting mentality. There is no excuse for racism. None.

Look, casual racism is very common in he subcontinent - be it Pakistan, India or Bangladesh. I don't endorse it at all. But as one of the posters commented above, it is indeed very casual in nature and means no harm whatsoever like how it is done in the west.

You have no idea if you're comparing the two things.

My issue is that Darren Sammy has known about this since 2013 and was quite ok with it. Now that he doesn't have any association with Indians or IPL, he started his tantrums. Zalmi need to be careful about him otherwise he will somehow drag them also into the mud when the favors stop flowing. He is the head coach, seriously like what?

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

He will cry about the racist Zalmi chant when he is done with PSL. Right now, PSL money is more important than his self-respect.

This is exactly my point. Zalmi somehow kept him quiet by offering head coach position in the middle of the season.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know how it is bro. Knowledge Is Power. We were not born to be silence <a href="https://t.co/jHZPfOFYyE">https://t.co/jHZPfOFYyE</a></p>— Daren Sammy (@darensammy88) <a href="https://twitter.com/darensammy88/status/1270398322478645253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[someone21]

You have missed his point by about a country mile. If a black uses terms that are considered racist and derogatory by Chinese, Koreans or Pakistanis then that man is most definitely a racist.

What you are doing is shamelessly defending racism. People in South Asia use the native words in a derogatory way and you know that very well. And frankly its about time this kind of shameless casual racism is called out, it has no place in the 21st century. If this term wasn't derogatory Sarfraz would not have apologized. But he did because everyone who heard him say it knew it was derogatory and chastised him for it.

You are prejudice. You think of black as some disease and are quickly offended by every such terms. However, kala/kalu has historic, religious, person name, slang connotations and meanings.

You are prejudice as you presume that India/South Asians as backwards where you purposefully choose a narrow minded definition of the words and make it of racial overtones.

If one was to use your silly logic, then Indians should ban Swastika as westerners have faced oppression related to the symbol. That simply is wrong, so it makes sense to undergo cultural training and understand the native meanings. West or English meanings is not applicable, and our native words do not need such prejudiced meanings.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You are prejudice. You think of black as some disease and are quickly offended by every such terms. However, kala/kalu has historic, religious, person name, slang connotations and meanings.

You are prejudice as you presume that India/South Asians as backwards where you purposefully choose a narrow minded definition of the words and make it of racial overtones.

If one was to use your silly logic, then Indians should ban Swastika as westerners have faced oppression related to the symbol. That simply is wrong, so it makes sense to undergo cultural training and understand the native meanings. West or English meanings is not applicable, and our native words do not need such prejudiced meanings.

Quite disappointing that you have chosen to resort to such graphic language just to make a point (disease? really?) but none of it changes the fact that you are the one trying to make casual racism socially acceptable, not me. You are acting as if I attacked a tradition or social norm when infact it's just a racist word and racism in all shapes and forms is morally reprehensible. Any person with any semblance of morals should condemn it.

And I don't assume anything. I have witnessed first hand people use kaala, kaalu and I do not recall one case in which it was used as a term of endearment but I do distinctly recall it being used in a derogatory manner, and the person who used it laughing mockingly in the aftermath.

Also, what an arbitrary example you have chosen to give. The Swastika is a part of the Hindu religion. Is the word kaala, kaalu part of any religion? Furthermore, if you had any knowledge of history you would know that the color of a person's skin has been a source of oppression dating back centuries in South Asia as well. It was and is a source of oppression for Dalits in India within the caste system and it was a source of oppression for Bengalis especially during the days of the British Raj. Where millions were starved to death in a man-made famine by a racist imperialist by the name of Winston Churchill.

Educate yourself before you try to validate racism.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">You know how it is bro. Knowledge Is Power. We were not born to be silence <a href="https://t.co/jHZPfOFYyE">https://t.co/jHZPfOFYyE</a></p>— Daren Sammy (@darensammy88) <a href="https://twitter.com/darensammy88/status/1270398322478645253?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Has Chris Gayle's IPL contract expired?

 

[Sirris]

So just because Sammy thinks the word has racist meaning, we all have to agree to the meaning? Who gives him or you the right to decide? And again, he thinks not knows. Finally, this word is been for long time, and commonly used by everybody, be it friends or family. You may not be comfortable with the word, but calling it racist is plain stupid.

If anything, you and him needs to do cultural training, and understand the native viewpoint. That's how society works.

And the broader issue is nobody wants an evil friend like Sammy. Imagine, having some jokes of no malice with couple of friends. Then, few years later, this friend publicity calls you out for racism. That itself would be seen as black-mailing or ruining of the person's reputation.

Talking to you is like talking to a wall. Nothing I say gets through your head.

Sammy didn't call it racism.

Sammy didn't know the meaning of the word back then, hence it makes sense to be upset now.

He didn't specifically named a player, so no reputation has been lost so far.

All insulting words have been around for a long time.

I didn't call the word racist, you keep on being a thick head and accusing me of it is insulting.

You keep on avoiding to answer my simple question, so stop bothering me with your silly lies.

 

[Abdullah719]

Oh bhai it is part of our culture not theirs. My fellow Indians won't like it if Aussies or English players start calling our players P@ki. Knowing how sensitive our people are, they will immediately demand an apology from those who dare to say it.

I thought this thread will be pretty short with most of the people demanding an apology from those who called Sammy 'Kalu' but it is surprising to see people defending racism here by trying to hide it behind their culture.

Aakash Chopra says he faced racism while playing league cricket in England

New Delhi, Jun 10 (PTI) Former India opener Aakash Chopra has alleged that he was subjected to racist remarks during his stint in England''s league cricket.

The former Indian batsman, who played for the Marylebone Cricket Club back in 2007, said that he was called "****", a racial slur directed at people of South Asian origin, primarily in English-speaking countries.

"We (cricketers) at one point or the other, have been victims of racism. I remember when I used to play league cricket in England, there were two South Africans in one of the opposition teams and both of them really went on an abusive spree," Chopra said on his YouTube channel.

"Even when I was at the non-striker''s end, they were after my life. They were constantly calling me ****. Now many believe **** is a short form of Pakistan but that is not true. If you are brown skinned. If you''re anywhere from Asian subcontinent, this term is used to racially abuse," he added.

Chopra said his team backed him but that didn''t change the fact that the two players racially abused him.

"You''re called ****, and nobody likes it. The moment you call anybody **** in England, you know the intention behind it. That''s what happened with me at that time. My team stood by me but the truth is the person in front of me was doing it," he recalled.

The 42-year-old, who has featured in 10 Tests for India, spoke about how deep-rooted the problem is all around the globe.

"Even if you''re white-skinned, it happens then as well. When they come to this part of the world, they also subjected to this kind of behaviour," Chopra said.

He recalled the infamous incident when Australian Andrew Symonds was subjected to monkey chants while fielding in India.

"In fact, when Andrew Symonds came to India, so many Monkey chants started filling up the Wankhede Stadium. That is when people were told that your entry will be banned," Chopra said.

Chopra''s comments have come after the West Indies duo of former World Cup-winning captain Darren Sammy and star batsman Chris Gayle, alleged racial abuse while denouncing the death of African-American George at the hands of a white police officer.

In the wake of Floyd''s death, which triggered violent protests in the US, international cricketers have opened up on their own experience in dealing with racism.

Sammy, while commenting on the protests, had spoken about being called ''Kalu'' -- a derogatory word to describe black people -- by his Sunrisers Hyderbad teammates, including senior India pacer Ishant Sharma, while playing in the Indian Premier League. PTI APA PM PM

https://www.outlookindia.com/newssc...ile-playing-league-cricket-in-england/1861896

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

[MENTION=43889]ChennaiFan[/MENTION] May be the above post answers the question 'why will they call Indian players P@ki'?

 

[someone21]

Quite disappointing that you have chosen to resort to such graphic language just to make a point (disease? really?) but none of it changes the fact that you are the one trying to make casual racism socially acceptable, not me. You are acting as if I attacked a tradition or social norm when infact it's just a racist word and racism in all shapes and forms is morally reprehensible. Any person with any semblance of morals should condemn it.

And I don't assume anything. I have witnessed first hand people use kaala, kaalu and I do not recall one case in which it was used as a term of endearment but I do distinctly recall it being used in a derogatory manner, and the person who used it laughing mockingly in the aftermath.

Also, what an arbitrary example you have chosen to give. The Swastika is a part of the Hindu religion. Is the word kaala, kaalu part of any religion? Furthermore, if you had any knowledge of history you would know that the color of a person's skin has been a source of oppression dating back centuries in South Asia as well. It was and is a source of oppression for Dalits in India within the caste system and it was a source of oppression for Bengalis especially during the days of the British Raj. Where millions were starved to death in a man-made famine by a racist imperialist by the name of Winston Churchill.

Educate yourself before you try to validate racism.

Firstly, the world doesn't revolve around USA/West and do not need their norms for my native language terms. There is no need for western validation.

Kali is used for Mata, and dark skin with Hindu Gods. There are people named Kalu/Kali, and it is commonly used by people for each other. You just have prejudiced as you are narrow-minded.

Cultural training isn't about learning about West, but any native place. So Sammy and likes of you, need to broaden your horizons...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Firstly, the world doesn't revolve around USA/West and do not need their norms for my native language terms. There is no need for western validation.

Kali is used for Mata, and dark skin with Hindu Gods. There are people named Kalu/Kali, and it is commonly used by people for each other. You just have prejudiced as you are narrow-minded.

Cultural training isn't about learning about West, but any native place. So Sammy and likes of you, need to broaden your horizons...

Are you ok with Ishant calling Sammy 'Kaalu'? Or English players calling Aakash Chopra 'P@ki'?

 

[Kroll]

[MENTION=43889]ChennaiFan[/MENTION] May be the above post answers the question 'why will they call Indian players P@ki'?

Unless he moved to Mars from Chennai as a toddler. I doubt he didn’t know it already.

Too many in this thread trying to play the oblivious or cultural card. IT WON’T WASH.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Has Ishant Sharma or any SRH player denied it? If not then yes his word is the bottom line. Because when a professional cricketer who btw has no past history of lying or cheating says something like this you take him for his word.

Why will any player come and deny if his name is not taken? Why will SRH give any importance to this?

Court will not take him for his word. If he takes a name, he has to prove it.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Firstly, the world doesn't revolve around USA/West and do not need their norms for my native language terms. There is no need for western validation.

Kali is used for Mata, and dark skin with Hindu Gods. There are people named Kalu/Kali, and it is commonly used by people for each other. You just have prejudiced as you are narrow-minded.

Cultural training isn't about learning about West, but any native place. So Sammy and likes of you, need to broaden your horizons...

How ironic that you are telling me to broaden my horizons while defending your utterly parochial and inane interpretation of racism. What you need is some education. Education beginning with the unwritten rules of basic human decency and ending on the history and consequences of racism. I would suggest taking a bonus class on why racism is deplorable and how people who defend it are just as (if not more) deplorable. I sincerely hope you get the education you desperately need.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Why will any player come and deny if his name is not taken? Why will SRH give any importance to this?

Court will not take him for his word. If he takes a name, he has to prove it.

Woah hold on buddy. No need to jump the gun. Nobody is going to court.

Instead of needlessly defending people you don't even know at the expense of a person you also don't know, I suggest you look at Ishant Sharma's Instagram post again which is enough to corroborate Sammy's insinuation. SRH clearly won't care as long as players are not named but any professional organization would at the very least condemn racism and the act of cricketers indulging in it. Even if it is through a meaningless tweet.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Why will any player come and deny if his name is not taken? Why will SRH give any importance to this?

Court will not take him for his word. If he takes a name, he has to prove it.

Lol while we all are busy discussing this here, Advocate Joshila has already reached the court and getting ready to defend his clients.

An apology is enough bro.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stay strong champ you were wonderfully and beautifully made. &#55356;&#57343;&#55356;&#57343;&#55356;&#57343;&#55356;&#57343;&#55356;&#57343; <a href="https://t.co/pgcYFlDY7B">https://t.co/pgcYFlDY7B</a></p>— Daren Sammy (@darensammy88) <a href="https://twitter.com/darensammy88/status/1270722209623846919?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So if there can be a racist slur to it I don’t think it should be used. <a href="https://t.co/PaaTco0ibs">https://t.co/PaaTco0ibs</a></p>— Daren Sammy (@darensammy88) <a href="https://twitter.com/darensammy88/status/1270730192147943424?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Stay strong champ you were wonderfully and beautifully made. ���������� <a href="https://t.co/pgcYFlDY7B">https://t.co/pgcYFlDY7B</a></p>— Daren Sammy (@darensammy88) <a href="https://twitter.com/darensammy88/status/1270722209623846919?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 10, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Well said Abhinav. It's getting tougher and tougher for people who were defending racism in this thread now.

 

[Abdullah719]

Should we ask Abhinav Mukund and Aakash Chopra for proof?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I think Darren Sammy has started another 'Me Too' like movement. I expect lots of Asian players to come forward and share their stories soon. You cannot defend racism. It's as simple as that.

 

[Rana]

I think Darren Sammy has started another 'Me Too' like movement. I expect lots of Asian players to come forward and share their stories soon. You cannot defend racism. It's as simple as that.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] can if Indians do it.

 

[Thomaskutty]

He will cry about the racist Zalmi chant when he is done with PSL. Right now, PSL money is more important than his self-respect.

I agree with Sammy here .. but it is interesting that he's omitted any mention of PSL here, maybe cause he still plays in that league.

 

[Rana]

I agree with Sammy here .. but it is interesting that he's omitted any mention of PSL here, maybe cause he still plays in that league.

Or maybe he has not felt any racism by Pakistani players?

 

[Mamoon]

Or maybe he has not felt any racism by Pakistani players?

Yes it is only racist when the players do it. The fans have the liberty to call you black.

 

[Rana]

Yes it is only racist when the players do it. The fans have the liberty to call you black.

Has any player complained about Pakistani fans being racist towards them?

 

[Mamoon]

Has any player complained about Pakistani fans being racist towards them?

They will once they stop earning PSL money.

 

[Saj]

Why will any player come and deny if his name is not taken? Why will SRH give any importance to this?

Court will not take him for his word. If he takes a name, he has to prove it.

It's in black (Kala if you prefer) and white on Ishant's social media.

 

[Rana]

They will once they stop earning PSL money.

Your accusing black superstars of choosing to feel racially abused when it suits them financially.

 

[Mamoon]

Your accusing black superstars of choosing to feel racially abused when it suits them financially.

Only Sammy because his selectivity is in front of us.

 

[Abdullah719]

Only Sammy because his selectivity is in front of us.

Just by chance, if he says anything against Zalmi or PSL in the future, I am sure you will be consistent and avoid saying anything against Zalmi or PSL, instead rubbishing his claims and calling him an attention-seeker...

 

[someone21]

Are you ok with Ishant calling Sammy 'Kaalu'? Or English players calling Aakash Chopra 'P@ki'?

Do you even read the thread? It's been answered, cannot equate Kalu & P*ki. Indians call themselves, or their friends as Kaalu. Ishant as his teammate & friend also implied as normal regular banter.

Whereas, P*ki is only used for other communities, not the native western communities and has obvious racial overtones.

 

[someone21]

How ironic that you are telling me to broaden my horizons while defending your utterly parochial and inane interpretation of racism. What you need is some education. Education beginning with the unwritten rules of basic human decency and ending on the history and consequences of racism. I would suggest taking a bonus class on why racism is deplorable and how people who defend it are just as (if not more) deplorable. I sincerely hope you get the education you desperately need.

You need some cultural training, as you are ignorant and refuse to understand other meanings for the word.

You can choose your way, but I judge what is offensive based on the context. Not because some English meaning of the word which is poorly translated and without any cultural context.

 

[Rana]

Only Sammy because his selectivity is in front of us.

You used ‘They’. So why now just referring to just Sammy?

 

[Mamoon]

You used ‘They’. So why now just referring to just Sammy?

Because you said “has any player”.

Anyway, I am talking about Sammy only because he is the only one milking the movement at the moment.

 

[The Viper]

Dwayne Bravo on racism: We ask for equality and respect

West Indies all-rounder Dwayne Bravo has called for “respect and equality” for black people, joining Darren Sammy and Chris Gayle in denouncing racism in the wake of George Floyd’s killing at the hands of a white police officer in the U.S.

“It’s sad to see what’s going on around the world. As a black man, we know the history of what black people have been through. We never ask for revenge, we ask for equality and respect. That’s it,” Bravo told former Zimbabwe cricketer Pommie Mbangwa in a live chat on Instagram on Tuesday.

“We give respect to others. Why is it that we are facing this over and over? Now enough is enough. We just want equality. We don’t want revenge, war. We just want respect. We share love and appreciate people for who they are. That’s what is most important.”

‘Powerful and beautiful’

The 36-year-old gave the example of greats such as Nelson Mandela, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan. “I just want our brothers and sisters to know that we are powerful and beautiful. And at the end of the day, you look at some of the greats of the world, whether it is Nelson Mandela, Muhammad Ali, Michael Jordan we have had leaders who paved the way for us,” he said.

Two-time T20 World Cup-winning captain Sammy had earlier alleged that a racist nickname was used to address him during his IPL stint with Sunrisers Hyderabad and demanded an apology. Sammy said he was called ‘Kalu’ while he was in India. ‘Kalu’ is a derogatory word to describe black people.

Gayle took to Twitter to back Sammy, saying racism did exist in cricket. “It’s never too late to fight for the right cause or what you’ve experienced over the years! So much more to your story, @darensammy88. Like I said, it’s in the game!!,” Gayle tweeted.

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...-gayle-mandela-jordan-ali/article31792799.ece

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

No one went to WI or elsewhere and called Sammy Kaalu. Its a common pet name in India.

What next? Hindus should stop using the Swastika because it resembles the hooked cross of Hitler?

Things have to be looked into with context. Sammy could always object, he didnot.

Ok, when you refer to context, maybe you need to look into the context of Sammy's point itself. He didn't know what the word went until very recently, when he watched a Hassan Minhaj special. So he couldn't have objected back when he was at SRH if he didn't know the meaning of the word.

Context, again is important when making utterances around outside guests, which is what Sammy, as a foreign national was, at SRH. If someone from a different culture comes into my home, I won't jokingly refer to him as an 'absolute re***' or an a****le, even if I use these terms in a humorous context around my friends. It's called basic diplomacy and manners. And if you are going to use the word 'kaalu', you should atleast explain the word to the person on the receiving end, rather than using it flagrantly without the other person knowing what it means.

It's also hilarious that you use the swastika as a get out argument against this. Kaalu was an unexplained word to Sammy, whilst the Swastika is literally directly associated with the Hindu religion.

Just because it's an endearing term for some, doesn't mean it may be deeply offensive to others

 

[princeuk]

They will once they stop earning PSL money.

He told you this did he?

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

He will cry about the racist Zalmi chant when he is done with PSL. Right now, PSL money is more important than his self-respect.

You are an absolute specimen, aren't you? The context is the same as the Kaalu reference. If he doesn't know about it the meaning of the Zaalmi chant, how can he be offended?

Also, unless you're a telepath (you're not), or a master detective (you're not) or hold reasonable balanced views (you don't), you can't accuse Sammy of selective outrage. Living in the west, it's infuriating and demeaning to experience bigotry either implicitly or explicitly. Just because you have a low opinion of him as per your jaded world view does not invalidate his very relevant point. Speak to others as you expect to be spoken to. It's not a difficult concept

 

[Savak]

I don't condone the word used against him, but this reflects poorly on Sammy. He didn't bother to double check all these years what the word meant?

 

[Mamoon]

You are an absolute specimen, aren't you? The context is the same as the Kaalu reference. If he doesn't know about it the meaning of the Zaalmi chant, how can he be offended?

The answer lies in my first post in this thread which I will quote for your convenience.

As I said, there is more than sufficient proof that Sammy is being selective and thus does not have a shred of credibility.

I believe the actual live chat which I referred to is available on YouTube.

Zalmi fans have been calling Sammy “Sammy torr ey kho zamung rorr ey” since 2017, ever since he adopted the Sammy Khan gimmick and was turned into a cartoon character by Javed Afridi for marketing.

Translation: “Sammy you are black but you are our brother”.

torr and rorr translate to “black” and “brother” in Pashto. They rhyme.

Sammy actually found out about it in a live video session with Javed Afridi and Younis Khan in 2017 where Sammy asked for the translation and Younis said that it was racism. Sammy started laughing.

It appears that racism is okay and actually a laughing matter when you are getting paid millions.

Opportunists like Sammy who milk movements are the ones who defame genuine victims and put the whole movement in bad light.

 

[Mamoon]

He told you this did he?

He doesn’t need to tell me. His lack of credibility due to his selectively is there for everyone to see. Refer to my first post in this thread.

 

[Rana]

He doesn’t need to tell me. His lack of credibility due to his selectively is there for everyone to see. Refer to my first post in this thread.

Looks like your knack of unnecessarily being a kebab main haddi has got you into a hole here which you cannot dig yourself out of.

Your accusing a man who claims to have suffered racism to lie selectively.

 

[Mamoon]

Looks like your knack of unnecessarily being a kebab main haddi has got you into a hole here which you cannot dig yourself out of.

Your accusing a man who claims to have suffered racism to lie selectively.

I will post the video tonight. The only people digging here are the Sammy apologists who are doing bhangra because he accused IPL players of racism.

 

[hashimafzal]

You need some cultural training, as you are ignorant and refuse to understand other meanings for the word.

You can choose your way, but I judge what is offensive based on the context. Not because some English meaning of the word which is poorly translated and without any cultural context.

In the same country where fairness creams are sold and marketed to people, where mothers fear finding brides for their daughters due to their dark skin you dare try to tell us there it is acceptable to call someone a word which degrades them on the color of their skin?

Why is the word "k*luu" only used for people of dark skin? Why is there no nickname/pet name for those with fair skin?

No one should accept or condone racism. It is really sad that people on this site will make excuses and condone racism.

 

[JaDed]

Now that if its up for conversation, we shouldn't say it and be mindful. Cricketers need to stop using caste,tribe and I think in next 30 years even religion being mentioned would be a problem, that's how it is about being politically correct.

Although if Desis were to use their language to describe black celebs, how should they do it ? esp Hindi,Urdu,Punjabi?

 

[ahmedzee]

[MENTION=43889]ChennaiFan[/MENTION] May be the above post answers the question 'why will they call Indian players P@ki'?

Woah hold on buddy. No need to jump the gun. Nobody is going to court.

Instead of needlessly defending people you don't even know at the expense of a person you also don't know, I suggest you look at Ishant Sharma's Instagram post again which is enough to corroborate Sammy's insinuation. SRH clearly won't care as long as players are not named but any professional organization would at the very least condemn racism and the act of cricketers indulging in it. Even if it is through a meaningless tweet.

No point arguing with a blind patriot. For such people no Indian can do any wrong in life ever. It is always others doing wrong to Indian. For such people, it was Sammy enabling all others around him to call him "kallu". So useless going in details with them.

 

[JaDed]

My assumption is people of color would stop referring to lighter skintone people as white too now because am sure there is a racial undertone there somewhere as well if Desis saying Kala is racist(because there is no history here as well).

 

[JaDed]

I don't condone the word used against him, but this reflects poorly on Sammy. He didn't bother to double check all these years what the word meant?

He even used it in a tweet referring to Laxman... so weird he thought it was stallion.

 

[Realromeo]

Lot of "desis can be racist" comment from Indian posters. Why don't you say "Indians can be racist". Why is it only"Indian" brought up for a positive matter but when it is negative it is "Desis" "UPs" "Gujaratis". Lol, how pathetic can we get ?

 

[JaDed]

Lot of "desis can be racist" comment from Indian posters. Why don't you say "Indians can be racist". Why is it only"Indian" brought up for a positive matter but when it is negative it is "Desis" "UPs" "Gujaratis". Lol, how pathetic can we get ?

Are you are saying racism is an Indian thing but not a desi thing?

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

You need some cultural training, as you are ignorant and refuse to understand other meanings for the word.

You can choose your way, but I judge what is offensive based on the context. Not because some English meaning of the word which is poorly translated and without any cultural context.

Unlike you I am not insecure about my culture. I am proud of it and embrace it wholeheartedly. I have no fears of it being enveloped by another culture that you seem to have. But that doesn't mean I turn a blind eye to something that is fundamentally wrong. So wrong that its condemnation extends across borders, nationalities and cultures. No culture is perfect and imperfections as such need to be called out.

I am sure there is a good reason for your insecurity towards your culture but you inability to differentiate between right and wrong, aswell as your false sense of arrogance simply shows your hubris. And for that there is no good reason or explanation.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No point arguing with a blind patriot. For such people no Indian can do any wrong in life ever. It is always others doing wrong to Indian. For such people, it was Sammy enabling all others around him to call him "kallu". So useless going in details with them.

Looking at his comments you'd think he was the lawyer of Sunrisers Hyderabad.

 

[MenInG]

Seamer Chris Jordan says England's cricketers all have a role to play when it comes to calling out racism.

Jordan, 31, missed out on a place in last year's World Cup-winning squad but told Sky Sports News' David Fulton that the inclusion of paceman Jofra Archer, spinner Adil Rashid and all-rounder Moeen Ali sets an example for social diversity in sport.

"Speaking from that team's point of view, what you see is what you get," said Sussex's Jordan, who was named in England's 55-man training squad last month. "It is very diverse and in general that's actually well led by Morgy [captain Eoin Morgan].

"We embrace the fact that everyone has come from different backgrounds, we embrace the fact that everyone has different values and stuff like that and we actually play as one.

"We speak about those things openly and if anything like that was to transpire, people are called out on it for sure.

"So that from that point of view, we do take the need. But you can only look on the pitch and off the pitch at the camaraderie that the entire team has, in that whole dressing room.

"We have so much respect and love for one another and that transpires onto the field but most importantly I think it's genuine and that's the key to it.

"We all have that role to play in terms of that awareness and that policing and that continuation to be anti-racist.

"That is definitely not an issue in the England team and if anything it leads the way in terms of how diverse the entire team is, so it's a good example to follow."

With the growth of the Black Lives Matter movement, Jordan said that both he and his team-mates would strive to continue to be role models for all in society.

"Firstly, it's sad obviously that it has had to come to violence for people to be heard but I believe that it's a significant moment for sure," he said.

The ICC has released a video to promote its anti-racism message and highlight the importance of diversity and inclusivity.
"It has been years of oppression and struggles that we've had and I think that the Black Lives Matter movement can play a real pivotal role.

"You can only look at the images and see the passion that has come out to know where it is heading. This situation does feel different from other situations that have come about in the past; it does feel like change can be on the horizon, it does feel like change is on the horizon.

"But I think for me knowledge is power. A lot of people understand the history and a lot of people are taught that history more or less started at slavery, but there's history before slavery and in Africa there was plenty of independence and pioneering going on and actually we were leaders in the world.

"Like the coronavirus, I think that the Black Lives Matter movement will have a similar impact in terms of there will be a lot of self-assessments going on; people will be checking their own actions when it comes to racism and the on-going issue with that.

"That needs to stop and we need to keep having those uncomfortable conversations and to keep calling people out on it. I think that's one of the ways that we can implement change, for sure.

"The realisation of people is coming to the fore and we have a duty to keep policing it because that's one of the only ways that it will be eradicated. The message is clear - enough is enough."

Jordan is delighted to be back training, all be it like his team-mates on a one-on-one basis, and says that during lockdown he has worked hard to maintain the rhythm and positive vibes he thrived on in this year's Pakistan Super League.

By his own admission a recall to the Test team appears unlikely just now so the majority of Jordan's practice has been geared to honing his white-ball skills in the hope of playing against Ireland and Australia later this year, should those fixtures be confirmed.

England's first fixture of the summer - the first of three Tests against West Indies - is now less than a month away.

Jordan paid tribute to the tourists, who landed in Manchester on Tuesday, for making the long trip from the Caribbean despite the devastating impact of the coronavirus pandemic in the United Kingdom.

West Indies will now enter a bio-secure environment at Emirates Old Trafford and train for the next three weeks, before heading to the Ageas Bowl for the first Test which begins on July 8.

"Obviously those talks must have gone on for a few months and I guess the bottom line is that I'm just happy that agreement was reached and that they took the steps to even come here," reflected Jordan.

"A lot of guys might have had concerns and raised a lot of questions around coming to England but that's credit to the ECB and all of the medical staff at the ECB for obviously relaying the correct information and being very thorough and basically painting a vivid picture for them of what life would look like here for them.

"So I guess that all of the guys who came were willing to accept that in terms of having to isolate and probably being as not as free as they normally do when they come on English tours.

"But I guess just like everyone else they just want to get back out there and play cricket and they obviously saw it as an opportunity to do so and we must be very grateful for that and hopefully both teams can put on a great show because I'm sure the whole world will be watching."

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...ys-england-will-continue-to-embrace-diversity

 

[cricketjoshila]

Woah hold on buddy. No need to jump the gun. Nobody is going to court.

Instead of needlessly defending people you don't even know at the expense of a person you also don't know, I suggest you look at Ishant Sharma's Instagram post again which is enough to corroborate Sammy's insinuation. SRH clearly won't care as long as players are not named but any professional organization would at the very least condemn racism and the act of cricketers indulging in it. Even if it is through a meaningless tweet.

Players will go to court, if Sammy takes their name. So will SRH.

Ishant's post only corroborates ishants actions not anyone else's.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Players will go to court, if Sammy takes their name. So will SRH.

Ishant's post only corroborates ishants actions not anyone else's.

I doubt anything like that will happen. His aim was to condemn the action rather than name names. If he wanted to name names he would have done it already. However it is a stain on the name of a franchise that attracts cricketing talent from the world over and will remain so until they at the very least, condemn it.

Let's also assume your far-fetched, hypothetical scenario. If players were to go to court Thisara Perera would corroborate Sammy's allegation.