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Hassan in all sorts of trouble against Nortje! Closing his eyes to balls from Nortje
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[VIDEOS] "I needed to prove my form and my fitness and I did that" : Hassan Ali
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Not a contest of equals!
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Hassan Ali has potential with the bat but he doesn't seem to apply himself enough and is too casual about his batting.
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The way he was taking his eyes of the ball facng Nortje seems to show he isnt that good against fast-bowlers when batting
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How did Hassan Ali manage to make a comeback?
He has lost pace and bowling slower than Faheem Ashraf and he does not look like threatning at all. He has been smashed in both of his innings in the last test match. He never looks like taking a wicket. How did this guy managed to make a comeback with such bowling?
He has lost pace and bowling slower than Faheem Ashraf and he does not look like threatning at all. He has been smashed in both of his innings in the last test match. He never looks like taking a wicket. How did this guy managed to make a comeback with such bowling?
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Just tuned into the game. His last delivery was 141kph. Hasn't bowled particularly well though I agree, but he came in on the back of very good domestic performances.
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Because he fooled the fans by taking wickets of associate level batsmen in domestic cricket. These days, he can only make statements against international sides.
The domestic cricket is supposedly to be highly competitive these days because we only have 2 teams catering to a population of 5 trillion, so the standards must be sky high. Or at least that is what I was told.
Looks like the dumb formula of less competition = higher standard of cricket = better quality players coming through is not working. How surprising.
The domestic cricket is supposedly to be highly competitive these days because we only have 2 teams catering to a population of 5 trillion, so the standards must be sky high. Or at least that is what I was told.
Looks like the dumb formula of less competition = higher standard of cricket = better quality players coming through is not working. How surprising.
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Seemed to have weathered the fast-bowlers and then gives his wicket to a spinner
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Why is Yasir in slips ?
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The 2nd one was lucky. Kept very low.
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Okay, watching now because India vs England is done.
I was expecting Hassan to have figures like 5-2-10-2 and not get smashed at an economy rate of 5.80
Poor stuff again. No point in taking a couple of lucky wickets when you get treated like an ODI bowler in a Test match, that too with the new ball.
He is a boundary-leaking machine. He is simply not a Test bowler. Never was and never will be. He doesn’t have the discipline and the temperament for this format.
I was expecting Hassan to have figures like 5-2-10-2 and not get smashed at an economy rate of 5.80
Poor stuff again. No point in taking a couple of lucky wickets when you get treated like an ODI bowler in a Test match, that too with the new ball.
He is a boundary-leaking machine. He is simply not a Test bowler. Never was and never will be. He doesn’t have the discipline and the temperament for this format.
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Okay, watching now because India vs England is done.
I was expecting Hassan to have figures like 5-2-10-2 and not get smashed at an economy rate of 5.80
Poor stuff again. No point in taking a couple of lucky wickets when you get treated like an ODI bowler in a Test match, that too with the new ball.
He is a boundary-leaking machine. He is simply not a Test bowler. Never was and never will be. He doesn’t have the discipline and the temperament for this format.
But you accept his 2 wickets were good balls?
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Not really. Elgar’s wicket was a harmless delivery that should have been left alone; VD Dussen’s wicket kept low.
If he was bowling good deliveries he wouldn’t be going at an ODI economy rate.
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You are old enough to have watched Waqar Younis bowl. Do you remember his economy rates when he used to bowl? Hassan Ali is a similar bowler. They are aggressive and look to take wickets relentlessly. Stemming the run rate is not their forte.
The amount of clean bowled deliveries, Hassan has bowled in his career across formats is a testament to this.
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As overrated as Waqar was, Hassan Ali is not remotely good enough to take Test wickets at an average of 23 over the course of his career.
Pakistan’s fast bowling resources are a joke these days. Hassan is one of the least terrible bowlers at our disposal but let’s not pretend that he is a lethal strike bowler. He is far from that.
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No one is pretending he is a lethal strike bowler though.
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Low!
it hit the top of the off-stump.
he's just gotten back after a long layoff due to injury, he'll get better, cut him some slack mate.
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Okay, watching now because India vs England is done.
I was expecting Hassan to have figures like 5-2-10-2 and not get smashed at an economy rate of 5.80
Poor stuff again. No point in taking a couple of lucky wickets when you get treated like an ODI bowler in a Test match, that too with the new ball.
He is a boundary-leaking machine. He is simply not a Test bowler. Never was and never will be. He doesn’t have the discipline and the temperament for this format.
Your another who checks scorecards and judges performances. For your information Hasan Ali conceded 2 boundaries of edges and 3 no balls. Take them out and his economy us 3.5. He bowled very well.
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How good was this from Hassan Ali?
Linde b Hasan Ali 21(21) [4s-3 6s-1]
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Maharaj wicket #4 for Hassan Ali
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Pak missed him big time especially post retirement of Amir and Wahab.
Well deserved fifer today. Hopefully he can keep his fitness and form.
Well deserved fifer today. Hopefully he can keep his fitness and form.
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5/54 for Hassan Ali!
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Excellent bowling from Hassan Ali. Reversed the ball perfectly. 5-54 in only his second Test on comeback. Second time he has taken 5 wickets in a Test innings <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvsSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvsSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/xNkkjCNAFL">pic.twitter.com/xNkkjCNAFL</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1357967733611233280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 6, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Awesome delivery
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] in shambles
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I thought you supported Hassan Ali judging from your previous posts. Thats a quick flip.
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Great performance by Hasan.
Feels good to see him perform!
Well bowled.
Feels good to see him perform!
Well bowled.
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He is a deaf king among blind men. An average bowler but he deserves to be selected when everyone around him is club level.
Let’s not pretend he is some complete bowler with the potential to be a lethal strike bowler. He is just a good white ball bowler when in form and an average Test bowler.
The problem is that our fans lack perspective and cannot look at the bigger picture. They get carried away and then act surprised when they get a reality-check later on.
Hassan has taken cheap wickets against indisciplined batting just like Naseem did, and he will get exposed against top lineups just like Naseem did.
The wicket of VDD Dussen was the only proper wicket. He is not a proper Test bowler.
However, when you look at the alternatives, you have to pick him.
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On true surfaces in SENA, Hasan doesn't have the consistency of hitting a length and his low release point makes him hittable. He will still pick up wickets here or there, but he will also be very expensive, relinquishing the momentum more often than not.
However, contrary to your ignorance, a fit and firing Hasan is a very dangerous test bowler in Asian conditions. He showed it today despite being well below his best, and around 5,6 kph down on his usual average pace.
His skiddy trajectory and string wrist action makes him ideal for these dry and low bouncing wickets, where reverse swing is a big factor.
He is also very streetsmart and knows how to manufacture dismissals. That is what he did today inspite of not being in rhythm.
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Tests are clearly Hasan's best format and according to [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] he isn't a test bowler lol
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If Test is his best format then he must be a very average bowler, because he will never be among the top 10 Test pacers in the world.
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I have seen enough of Hassan to know that he will never be a top Test bowler.
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Lol, that is the whole point of it. You have seen enough yet you make absurd claims that fall flat on your face.
It is better if you stay mum for a few days, because all that misplaced arrogance is not suiting you well.
Whatever I said about Hasan is true. He will be a force in Asia, but will struggle overseas because of the reasons explained above.
What often gets overlooked is his strong character. He has a lot of heart; the fact he sprung up with a fiver despite being out of rhythm is a testament to that.
This was also very much on show in the Quaid trophy (a tournament which you feel is beneath you to watch) where he alone turned the fortunes for his side and got them the title.
Going forward, he can be the much vaunted leader of the bowling attack, which will allow guys like Shaheen and the younger lot some breathing space.
The fact that we dont have any overseas test tours will allow him to be in his element and lead the way.
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Bottom line is he's shorter than Steyn and having to maximise his talents
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Didnt last too long this morning
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Overseas is a game of patience for him. He ideal line would be wider than taller bowlers so he isn't in line of sight of the batsmen. They have to constantly reach over to get behind the ball. If he's willing to play the patience game, he can slowly start bringing the ball back in after wearing them down mentally. Instead of caught behind, the skidding ball puts the batsmen in danger of getting bowled or lbw if they can't judge the line right. The crease is his biggest advantage.
The main focus has to be patience. He cannot afford to be an attacking bowler until he has the mental edge over the batsman.
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Ali is too ambitious with the new ball, he is an ideal first change / someone more effective with an older ball in hand, lacks consistency to effectively set up batsman at the top of the order, relies more on variation and unplayable deliveries, but this can go either way. However it is unfair to criticise the fella at this stage, it nice to see someone like Hassan back in the Pakistan set up always searching for wickets etc the question is how does the team best utilise him ? In these conditions Shaheen needs a partner who can hold an end to up front, would Faheem be a suitable fit before the spinners come on / then giving Hassan a go
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And one more for Hassan
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Faheem could be a good option with the new ball. I have seen him swing the ball.
But Hasan Ali is our best bowler so I think he can still do better than his numbers suggest.
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Faf du Plessis - meet Hassan Ali
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The "non-test bowler" at half pelt is still the only guy making Pakistan compete, while the already "world class" Shaheen is just there making the numbers.
Tells you everything.
Tells you everything.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] hope you're okay 
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New celebration?
10fer for Hasan!
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10fer for Hasan!
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As said after his first fifer, Pak missed a fit Hassan Ali him big time. He is as important a pacer in tests for us now as any top pacer for their side and needs to be managed well.
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On his bad days he can go for runs like quite a few but, he is one of the only match winners we have across the formats.
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He took more wickets but Shaheen bowled much better than him. Our fans never look at the bigger picture and are always thinking short-term.
The only impressive wickets by Hassan were that of VD Dussen in both innings. He is a high class batsman and that was very good bowling, but other than that, most were cheap wickets.
The bigger problem though is how expensive he is. He went at 6 an over in his first spell in the first innings and 8 an over in his first spell in the second innings.
He cannot bowl Test match lengths and is bowling boundary balls every over. He cannot put pressure on the batsmen even when taking wickets because the runs are always flowing when he is bowling.
He is a white ball specialist and the fact that he is a fixture in the Test team shows how poor our resources are. You cannot blame the selectors when the alternatives are Naseem, Abbas, Rauf, Hasnain etc. Yes he is better than them but he is not a proper Test bowler. Only Shaheen is in this lineup.
If he bowls like this against proper batting lineups he will struggle. He is just a very, very inferior version of Starc.
The only impressive wickets by Hassan were that of VD Dussen in both innings. He is a high class batsman and that was very good bowling, but other than that, most were cheap wickets.
The bigger problem though is how expensive he is. He went at 6 an over in his first spell in the first innings and 8 an over in his first spell in the second innings.
He cannot bowl Test match lengths and is bowling boundary balls every over. He cannot put pressure on the batsmen even when taking wickets because the runs are always flowing when he is bowling.
He is a white ball specialist and the fact that he is a fixture in the Test team shows how poor our resources are. You cannot blame the selectors when the alternatives are Naseem, Abbas, Rauf, Hasnain etc. Yes he is better than them but he is not a proper Test bowler. Only Shaheen is in this lineup.
If he bowls like this against proper batting lineups he will struggle. He is just a very, very inferior version of Starc.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Man of the Match is Hassan Ali for figures of 10-114<br><br>Man of the Series is Mohammad Rizwan who scored 166 runs at an average of 83 and took 6 catches<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvsSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvsSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358718889119657987?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote>
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Well bowled.
Still wasn't at his best though.
Still wasn't at his best though.
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Just watch your comments before he took wickets in the first innings. Your statements become more and more palatable, until you then discredit everything by coming up with your usual nonsense.
It is unreal how many times you are off the mark.
This was Hasan fatigued and well below his best, after playing 9 first class games on the trot in a space of a month and a half.
Despite that, he showed the character and led the charge.
Shaheen only fed off his momentum and finally found comfort in the support role which he is fit for at this stage of his career.
A fit and firing Hasan charging in at 140 kph to 145 with reverse on Pakistani wickets is world class.
We saw what Rabada, Shaheen and Nortje did when they had a reversing ball in their hands.
Hasan was streets ahead despite being short of a gallop.
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I know the reality of Pakistan cricket like the back of my hand. That is why I am right 99% of the time and when I am not, there is usually an explanation for it.
If you think you can convince me that Hassan is a proper Test bowler than I suggest that you stop wasting your energies.
I believe that his Test career will fall off a cliff once again and I can also guarantee that fans like you will be blaming Waqar, Misbah and whoever else is in the firing-line when that happens.
If you want to have the last word now the stage is yours, but let’s get back to this in a few years to see where he stands as a Test bowler.
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Mate I really feel for you , First I thought you just trying to get attention hence always coming up with totally opposite ideas but if you are like this in real life too then you definitely need psychotherapist.
Did you suffer from any childhood trauma? No I am not mocking you or making fun of you or being sarcastic or anything but its definitely painful to see how much negative you think and if you are like this in real life apart from cricket then you will face so much difficulties later on.
Just try to put things from a positive perspective and if you find it difficult the professional help is always available so do consider this mate.
Take care. (Again Brother Mamoon this is just a brotherly advice to you and I am not being sarcastic or anything)
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Rofl...so "everytime you are wrong, there is an explanation". But who calls it whether that explanation is valid? You?
Then at the same time you are already discrediting possible explanations by others for if they go wrong.
There in sums up your entire posting ideology which is based on arrogance and intellectual dishonesty.
The whole point of making these brash predictions for individuals in itself is totally absurd when there are so many variables involved that can change the eventual outcome.
But since you have developed a taste for getting caned on this forum, you cant resist yourself from getting more.
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Mamoon struggling to back his own judgement. Love them days. 
I agree though that Hassan Ali will need to improve his economy to become twice the bowler and be effective overseas. Hope this 10 wicket haul does not make him think that he is a complete bowler now.
I agree though that Hassan Ali will need to improve his economy to become twice the bowler and be effective overseas. Hope this 10 wicket haul does not make him think that he is a complete bowler now.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The celebration was because Mr and Mrs Hassan Ali are expecting their first child next month <a href="https://t.co/n5wBI1K0NZ">pic.twitter.com/n5wBI1K0NZ</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358763143015636992?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hassan Ali when asked if he had any fitness issues during the match "It’s a team game, it’s not just my game where I can bowl all day. You have to go according to the team strategy and the plans. If you want me to go out there now and play for another 5 days I am ready" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358766502204362754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote>
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No expert in any field is stupid enough to have this mentality. You have some good insights, but you lose credibility when you make claims like this.
On Hasan, he looks like an ideal first change bowler at this stage, just needs to maintain/improve his fitness and push 140 more regularly.
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He has been beaten black and blue during the last 2 days.
No wonder he has gone into hiding for now. Lol
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“Rassie van der Dussen is a fantastic, fantastic player with immense ability and potential and should have had a 15 year career with South Africa, also Hassan is a mediocre ODI bowler who is getting carted around the ground for all his fans to see. Hilarious that there is any comparison. If South Africa didn’t lose their wickets to runouts in the first match, they would have won.”
Only 1 runout in the match
Takes two fivers in two innings
Takes ten wickets in the match
Takes 7 of his 10 wickets as top order wickets and another two of all rounders
Removes “superior than Azhar Ali” Dean Elgar
Has Dussen bowled twice
Has Dussen for a duck
Removes set century man Markram
Takes out Faf du Plessis in the single digits
Has “better than Rizwan” de Kock for a duck
Takes two wickets in two balls twice in the match
Is a handy tail end batsman
Wins player of the match
A 10 wkt match haul cannot he argued with. If he takes a 10 wkt haul every I don’t give a damn about his economy rate.
The most impressive thing in this match was that he got the crucial breakthrough and got wickets in bunches.
He has to to make improvements just like anyone else. No one is ever the complete bowler. But this performance should be celebrated
The most impressive thing in this match was that he got the crucial breakthrough and got wickets in bunches.
He has to to make improvements just like anyone else. No one is ever the complete bowler. But this performance should be celebrated
Turned the match for Pakistan and was the main reason why they won, otherwise South Africa would have at least got a draw.
Never gave up, never stopped trying and lifted his team.
Great character and person to have in the team.
Never gave up, never stopped trying and lifted his team.
Great character and person to have in the team.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The importance of Hassan Ali:<br><br>10 wickets in the match <br>2 five-wicket hauls <br>6 wickets were top 5 batsmen <br>Key wickets at key times <br>Effective with the new ball <br>Reversed the old ball <br>Man of the match <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/6VFXKmZxst">pic.twitter.com/6VFXKmZxst</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358782920610230272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote>
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<br>2 five-wicket hauls <br>6 wickets were top 5 batsmen <br>Key wickets at key times <br>Effective with the new ball <br>Reversed the old ball <br>Man of the match <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PAKvSA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PAKvSA</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://t.co/6VFXKmZxst">pic.twitter.com/6VFXKmZxst</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1358782920610230272?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 8, 2021</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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You need to come back to reality mate.
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ICC enjoying Hassan's work!
Here is where i respectfully disagree.
The vast majority of wickets taken by bowlers are with decent and good balls, not great balls. Take an ATG bowler like Glenn McGrath, for example. The majority of wickets he got were decent to good balls, rarely unplayable ones.
Even greats like Wasim and Waqar got a lot of wickets on decent/good balls. Yes, they bowled many unplayable deleveries but many of their wickets were merely decent to good balls.
Now i am not actually comparing Hasan to McGrath or Waqar or Wasim. I do think Ali has some limitations. He is a bit impatient with the new ball and i have doubts he will maintain his pace. Once he loses his pace, its hard to see him being successful in the long run. He doesn't have the height of a McGrath/Ambrose, nor the variety of Akram, etc.
I do think that Ali can be a very good option for the next 2-3 years, particularly on flat tracks where you need his intensity to get wickets.
I think Ali bowled beautifully in this match. If you are going to get 10 wickets, you are not going to get 10 wickets bowling unplayable balls. Ali bowled heaps and heaps of good balls yesterday, a few unplayable ones, and earned every wicket he got.
It is rare for anyone to get a 10 wicket haul as a quick bowler on flat tracks. Let's appreciate a good achievement. Ali can be a very good bowler for the next 2-3 years. If he lasts longer than that and continues to perform, then fair play to him, though i have my doubts.
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Comeback King, his skiddy bounce and fifth stump lines were too good for SA
Dean Elgar spent most of his time on the crease playing and missing
Dean Elgar spent most of his time on the crease playing and missing
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If any local statsgurus can help me out - how many other bowlers in cricket history have ever taken a 10-fer in their first/comeback series after a 2+ years gap?
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