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[VIDEOS] Imam-ul-Haq - Essential or a liability in ODIs?

Simply put - Abid, Imam, Babar and Haris as a top 4 in ODIs isn't working and never will work.

Playing Abid (33 year old) over Fakhar (30 year old) if they were going with full strength team was a shocker. If someone was to be tried it had to be one of the younger batsmen.

Haris needs to play more like the WC 19 fashion at that no 4 position if he wants to play for few years.
 
I do agree that Imam needs to be more dynamic in general as a batsman, but at the same he needs to open with a Fakhar/Haider (preferably Haider) so he doesn't get into any scoring pressure and can play that long innings and take the team innings deep.
 
He either needs to up his strike rate, or be paired with a fast opener like Fakhar or Haider. Abid and Imam will not work.
 
Imaam is maybe limited player with the strokes but he is consitant and knows his role in the team I blame the management for playing abid and imaam together
 
Playing Abid (33 year old) over Fakhar (30 year old) if they were going with full strength team was a shocker. If someone was to be tried it had to be one of the younger batsmen.

Haris needs to play more like the WC 19 fashion at that no 4 position if he wants to play for few years.

Haris is a good player but we need to look foward pluss his fitness is terrible
 
He's a good player but needs a big striker to open with him. You can't have him and Abid, they'll put too much pressure on eachother.

I think we persist with Imam but pair him with Fakhar or Haider.
 
He's reliant on those batting around him.

If he has big hitters with him then he's ok, but if he is batting with batsmen similar to him, as he has now, then that will spell trouble.
 
For me, Imam is the best ODI opener in Pakistan - specifically he's comfortably more consistent than Fakhar, Abid, Shan.

His SR is a problem, he needs to be paired with a more aggressive opener. Fakhar isn't consistent enough, so I would image Haider Ali is the next best option.

Imam and Abid opening together feels like watching cricket in the 1990's - they're still playing cricket from another generation
 
I think his age puts him above the rest. 54 average at SR 80 is good. Yes it could be a bit quicker, but it's not the SR 70 of Shehzad or Azhar who scored far less consistently. He's a long term option, he's producing that now and could get better. He's had success in PSLs and domestic T20, there is some sort of power game there, just needs to be worked on. I'd play him in internationals T20s and let him practice it.

Haris is 31 with injury troubles, I don't know how much longer he will be able to play. And he needs to play consistently, having him playing on and off doesn't benefit the team. Abid is older dunno how long he can stick around for. These guys you get maybe 3 years or so max, while Imam's will be 10.

I've been tempted to drop this guy in the past, and yes he's frustrating. But Fakhar out of form, I don't think we have a choice anymore but to back him. He's the only performing consistent (who isn't injury prone) batsman in the team with Babar.
 
I think his age puts him above the rest. 54 average at SR 80 is good. Yes it could be a bit quicker, but it's not the SR 70 of Shehzad or Azhar who scored far less consistently. He's a long term option, he's producing that now and could get better. He's had success in PSLs and domestic T20, there is some sort of power game there, just needs to be worked on. I'd play him in internationals T20s and let him practice it.

Haris is 31 with injury troubles, I don't know how much longer he will be able to play. And he needs to play consistently, having him playing on and off doesn't benefit the team. Abid is older dunno how long he can stick around for. These guys you get maybe 3 years or so max, while Imam's will be 10.

I've been tempted to drop this guy in the past, and yes he's frustrating. But Fakhar out of form, I don't think we have a choice anymore but to back him. He's the only performing consistent (who isn't injury prone) batsman in the team with Babar.

I agree with your assessment that Imam can still work on Strike Rate and is consistent which we have so desperately been wanting. His main focus should be to convert dots to singles as currently he relies too much on boundaries to release the pressure.

He should be paired with an aggressive opener and his partnership with Fakhar has been successful. If he is a bit more positive, while Fakhar is a bit more consistent, it would be very useful.

Meanwhile, like you said, Haris has injury troubles - I will fit Haider in at 4 here to build the innings with Babar at the other end.

1. Fakhar
2. Imam
3. Babar
4. Haider
 
He has an appetite for runs and whilst he has done some minnow bashing, he does have tons vs SA and England. The strike rate is a problem, though. It is not all about boundary hitting, quick running between the wickets and picking the gaps are good enough. If he can improve his strike rate consistently - e.g play at 85-90 without starting slow, then he can be an asset. He needs a more aggressive partner whether that is Fakhar or Haider Ali. Abid Ali is too old to invest in and Imam is a better long term prospect.
 
This guy is actually on his way to score 15-20 ODI hundreds (maybe more) and probably 8-10k runs for Pakistan. Cricket might well slow down back to its old self where 250-270 would become competitive scores again with the ICC’s bipolar tendencies of becoming bored too easily with how white ball cricket is being played.

In that case, Imam needs to play every game because he is the only reliable opener we have who has the stamina to bat through. People need to be patient with him. His numbers are pretty prolific for his age
 
A good player, but he should play for his team first. He is only worried about his 54 average in odis.
 
Abid Ali is a much bigger concern. How the heck are playing him when he has shown he has issues outside of Asia and is 33?
 
Best number of innings per century in the world in ODIs since Babar’s debut

Rohit Sharma 4.00
Virat Kohli 4.24
David Warner 4.64
Imam ul Haq 5.71
Babar Azam 6.25
 
Best number of innings per century in the world in ODIs since Babar’s debut

Rohit Sharma 4.00
Virat Kohli 4.24
David Warner 4.64
Imam ul Haq 5.71
Babar Azam 6.25

Imam is a peculiar case. He is a solid batsmen when he is set, but he takes time to get set.

My issue with him is his rotation of strike. He plays too many dot balls and gets trapped on the crease, whereas players like Babar play with a flow and find gaps for singles and doubles.

If he can work on his strike rotation, it will be very beneficial for him to improve his strike rate and also to gain momentum as an opener.
 
I find it to be a really really big anomaly when I see Imam’s ODI stats. I mean heck, how has he maintained a legendary average with a decent strike rate. Is it because he has mostly played for himself rather than the team? Has he actually ever single handedly won us any games against good ODI sides? I am guessing he will be defo on that plane to SA.
 
I find it to be a really really big anomaly when I see Imam’s ODI stats. I mean heck, how has he maintained a legendary average with a decent strike rate. Is it because he has mostly played for himself rather than the team? Has he actually ever single handedly won us any games against good ODI sides? I am guessing he will be defo on that plane to SA.

Man of the Series against SA in SA. Definitely won 1 game for Pakistan with the bat there.

Also probably the greatest ODI innings in England by a Pakistani. Scored 151 I think in 120 or 130 balls. Not his fault that the bowlers couldn't defend 360.

I hope Pakistani fans give Imam a long rope when he comes back to the ODI setup. He's been out of match practice for a long time now. So he needs to be backed. Essential player in our ODI setup. Should also be part of the Test lineup.
 
Also probably the greatest ODI innings in England by a Pakistani. Scored 151 I think in 120 or 130 balls. Not his fault that the bowlers couldn't defend 360.

Disagree. The best ODI innings by a Pakistani against England in England was Younis Khan's century in 2006 when he masterfully manoeuvred a chase of 270 at Southampton. That was a marvellous innings.
 
He’s finding a way to score in ODIs even though he can improve in his strike rate. I would keep him in the ODI team.
 
I find it to be a really really big anomaly when I see Imam’s ODI stats. I mean heck, how has he maintained a legendary average with a decent strike rate. Is it because he has mostly played for himself rather than the team? Has he actually ever single handedly won us any games against good ODI sides? I am guessing he will be defo on that plane to SA.

He has played well. You take out Zimbabwe, Hong Kong, and Afghanistan from his stats, and hes still averaging almost the same, with almost the same strike rate.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...tart;template=results;type=batting;view=match

Only thing is he needs to improve is his strike rate. But he will be our opener in ODI for a while.
 
So he now has a chance to make an impression in this series.
 
Batted well.

He gets hate by PPers here because most of us are t20 fans.

SA were 111-4 while Pkaistan is 128-1 after 25 overs.


Imam has held his end and batted well. THis is how you approach a one day game. Had he played a rash shot, we would had been under immense pressure as Fakhar got out early.

Pakistan started slow, but than Babar and Imam got the runrate back up.
 
He is someone who can hold the other end and stop Pakistan from collapsing most of the times. He needs to improve strike rotation though. :inti
 
A tricky 270+ score is tailor made for the way Imam plays the game , puts a price on his wicket and keeps ticking along , the only thing with Imam is that he’s not dynamic he can’t change gears at will. Perhaps he can change this as he’s still not that old.
 
Was almost on the verge of reconsidering his merits, then he gets out to a bouncer AGAIN.

What made it worse was Babar had just got out at the other end and as the set batsman we really needed him to stick around and see the game through.
 
A good innings, but that shot really?

Just after you have lost your captain and a new batsman is at the crease.

Let it go, no need to play that shot.
 
Bowlers know he is weak against short pitch bowling.He has to learn how to handle bouncers.Otherwise he is not bad.He needs to improve his strike rate little more.
 
He doesn't score off of length balls enough to rotate strike and keep active - he literally needs bad balls to score - conversely he won't get out to those same balls (length/good balls) because he isn't always looking to score off them and therefore looks after his wicket reasonably well.

Until/if there is someone better, I'd much prefer him and regular innings like today than the 10 ball cameos from Fakhar/Sharjeel who come with the potential flash in the pan game-changing knock out of the blue.
 
Imam-ul-Haq speaking to the press:

"We are playing ODIs after some time and idea is to learn from our mistakes, and we need to win matches with 7-8 wickets in hands, which is what we will aim to do in our next games"

"You cannot judge a player by just one match - so this is the case with Asif and Danish; Especially Asif is making a comeback in ODI cricket and hasn't played that format for a while; Consistency in performances only comes when players are consistently given chances to play"

"To be honest I am very disappointed that I couldn't stay on the pitch until the end of the match; I have waited almost a year and a half for this opportunity; I haven't had so many opportunities as we haven't played so many ODIs over the last year, and I have been the 12th man in the Test XIs; But this is how life is because its not necessary that you get what you want in life; I will be trying my best to help the team win in the next 2 games"
 
Happy for Imam. He has gotten a lot of abuse but found a way to do his talking with the bat. He isn’t going anywhere in ODIs. I’m confident he will get his place back in test cricket as well.
 
You have to be completely deluded to not realize that he is the best Test & ODI opener in Pakistan.

It is a no-brainer.

Picking the likes of Masood, Abid, Imran ahead of him in Tests is a complete travesty.
 
You have to be completely deluded to not realize that he is the best Test & ODI opener in Pakistan.

It is a no-brainer.

Picking the likes of Masood, Abid, Imran ahead of him in Tests is a complete travesty.

His test average is 24 and he flopped in 11 tests, with only 1 fifty I believe. Was struggling vs bounce a lot and nicking off to de Grandhomme in the UAE. Are we sure he would be good in Tests?
 
His test average is 24 and he flopped in 11 tests, with only 1 fifty I believe. Was struggling vs bounce a lot and nicking off to de Grandhomme in the UAE. Are we sure he would be good in Tests?

He would do much better than Masood if he gets the same level of backing in Tests. He is still a young player and it is not easy to hit the ground running in Test cricket.

Even Babar struggled considerable from 2016 to 2018.

Pakistan should back Imam and he will come good in Test cricket as well. He has all the basic ingredients: concentration, appetite for scoring runs, temperament.

The likes of Imran and Abid have no business playing ahead of him and neither does Masood. One of them can potentially pay-off in the long run like Imam can.

He is the most accomplished young batsman in Pakistan after Babar and needs to be supported in Test cricket. We do not have better options.

Abdullah Shafique is all the hype these days and if he is as good as they claim, he can partner Imam in the Test team. Pakistan needs to find a partner for him as well.
 
You have to be completely deluded to not realize that he is the best Test & ODI opener in Pakistan.

It is a no-brainer.

Picking the likes of Masood, Abid, Imran ahead of him in Tests is a complete travesty.

I think in ODIs, Pakistan will do a lot better with a top three as below:-

1. Rizwan
2. Haider
3. Babar

Dunno about the best available names in the middle order though.
 
Imam-ul-Haq is a strokeless wonder. Shan Masood is bang average but you could see he was one or two levels above during the Australia tour.
 
I think in ODIs, Pakistan will do a lot better with a top three as below:-

1. Rizwan
2. Haider
3. Babar

Dunno about the names below these three though.

Haider is not ready yet, at least not for the top-order. He needs to play more FC and strengthen his basics.
 
You have to be completely deluded to not realize that he is the best Test & ODI opener in Pakistan.

It is a no-brainer.

Picking the likes of Masood, Abid, Imran ahead of him in Tests is a complete travesty.

Absolutely. He provides the stability at the top for Babar and Rizwan to take off from. He should be in the starting XI for both ODI and Tests. We don’t need every player to play big shots. Every team needs an anchor and he can be that for us.
 
He actually does incredibly well in ODI's for a guy who has about 3 shots in his locker. Pakistan are lucky to have a guy with his temperament.
 
Imam ul haq is unnatural in playing strokes he isn't comfortable playing shots and going up a gear and being more clinical. Most of his scoring is putting the bat in the way and deflecting the ball compare him to babar who is leagues above in every department.

As for test level jury is out for imam yes he's probably won't be any worse than the other test duds but imam would also be questionable in seam and swing conditions, plus he is hugely suspect against the short ball his positioning isn't sound and at the top test level any decent fast bowler will give him some chin music and set him up.
 
It was good knock but Imam's problem is simple - an inability to pierce the infield in the PP overs. That's why his dot ball percentage is so high.

Top sides won't always allow you to catch up later. However it was an important knock in an important partnership.
 
Due to a lack of options, Imam is essential for the ODI team. His tepid and slow approach may haunt us against bigger teams, but he’s the best option right now for ODIs as an opener. Needs to work on playing the short ball though.
 
Imam is just a left handed version of ahmed shehzhad. Eats up balls in PP all emphasis is on other batsmen to score quickly and pretty much carry imams snail like pace early on. His lack of intent in PP will hurt pakistan at somepoint.
 
He would do much better than Masood if he gets the same level of backing in Tests. He is still a young player and it is not easy to hit the ground running in Test cricket.

Even Babar struggled considerable from 2016 to 2018.

Pakistan should back Imam and he will come good in Test cricket as well. He has all the basic ingredients: concentration, appetite for scoring runs, temperament.

The likes of Imran and Abid have no business playing ahead of him and neither does Masood. One of them can potentially pay-off in the long run like Imam can.

He is the most accomplished young batsman in Pakistan after Babar and needs to be supported in Test cricket. We do not have better options.

Abdullah Shafique is all the hype these days and if he is as good as they claim, he can partner Imam in the Test team. Pakistan needs to find a partner for him as well.

He was given a good run in side just like shan was and he was rubbish. He struggled in UAE vs NZ make grandhomme look like prime shane bond. His poor FC average on 35 is on par with other rubbish openers and is an indication of where he is at interms of red ball cricket.
 
He's fine when the field is spread out and can work the ball around in the gaps, but as others have said he struggles in the powerplay because he cannot pierce the field and is reluctant to hit over the top and cannot play the ball with soft hands to take quick singles.
 
He's fine when the field is spread out and can work the ball around in the gaps, but as others have said he struggles in the powerplay because he cannot pierce the field and is reluctant to hit over the top and cannot play the ball with soft hands to take quick singles.

Why would you take a risk when your selfish playing for urself. His approach to odi batting is no different to sunil gavaskars in 1st ever world cup. Hes a limited player that knows if he plays aggresively he will get out. No benefit to the team early on.
 
Despite Fakhar not performing, Imam's still done decently here although shouldn't have got out the way he did. Imam's faults as a batsman won't be that negatively impactful if Fakhar (or any dasher-type opener partnered with Imam) fires. That's not to say that Imam should not look to improve his aggressive play, it is just something to point out. At the very least, in my opinion, Imam NEEDS to bat with a dasher-type batsman.
 
The world cup is in india and pretty much the 1st - 10 overs of the inns in PP are expected to be a run feast. If it was in eng / SA or NZ in seamer friendly conditions id understand batting with caution.

Facts are teams will be batting on roads therefore the 1st 10 overs need to see scores of 55-70 range early on.

That comes down piercing infield, rotating strike or hitting big.

Instead we look like england did in 1996 opening with mike atherton.
 
The world cup is in india and pretty much the 1st - 10 overs of the inns in PP are expected to be a run feast. If it was in eng / SA or NZ in seamer friendly conditions id understand batting with caution.

Facts are teams will be batting on roads therefore the 1st 10 overs need to see scores of 55-70 range early on.

That comes down piercing infield, rotating strike or hitting big.

Instead we look like england did in 1996 opening with mike atherton.

ODI pitches in England are mostly flat. New Zealand have small grounds so getting big scores isn't out of the question there. Let's not make our only India produce flat pitches.
 
The world cup is in india and pretty much the 1st - 10 overs of the inns in PP are expected to be a run feast. If it was in eng / SA or NZ in seamer friendly conditions id understand batting with caution.

Facts are teams will be batting on roads therefore the 1st 10 overs need to see scores of 55-70 range early on.

That comes down piercing infield, rotating strike or hitting big.

Instead we look like england did in 1996 opening with mike atherton.

Another thing to note, ICC are in charge of curating pitches for ICC tournaments.
 
He's fine when the field is spread out and can work the ball around in the gaps, but as others have said he struggles in the powerplay because he cannot pierce the field and is reluctant to hit over the top and cannot play the ball with soft hands to take quick singles.

Sounds like he should be in at #4 in ODI- if early wickets fall & you simply need to consolidate to get to a score, he can do that. If the start is brisk he can play the "milking" middle overs well enough.

Honestly though if he wasn't at opener, Pakistan lose that game. Everybody else is getting knocked over for single figures you NEED an opener to bat long.

You cannot WIN that game in the opening 10 overs, chasing a reasonable total of 275. But you sure can LOSE it by losing 3 quick wickets playing too aggressively vs a team who's strength is fast bowlers with 2 new balls (& who's weakness is spinners to squeeze in the middle overs).

275 is so chaseable these days IF you bat the full 50 that why risk losing the game to worry about strike rate? Why take your biggest risks with your WORST cards (opening bats) against SA's strength (fast bowlers). Playing to your own teams & players ability to BLUNT the SA attack (a reasonable goal) & set up the game on a course Pakistan can control to see your own strengths magnified- best players in the middle order vs an older ball & bowlers not running rampant, freedom to play shots not forced to rebuild a shattered innings.

I think he played the right knock- Babar & Shadab were not forced to do any craziness, the task he left them was simply to go at a run a ball or slight acceleration. A SR of 110 asked of the lower order finisher is reasonable.

He played his role, Babar is the class player & he played with aplomb and simply had to tick at 6 an over= that's simply expected in ODI for your key players. Shadab wasn't asked to belt everything in sight to the fence, simply to go at about 7 an over. A boundary an over= again the most minimal pressure you expect to face batting in the last 10 overs vs a decent score.

Iman is not the superstar of the team. But an opener who can play their role is doing a valuable job. Fakhar is being selected as the aggressive one, Iman is being asked to anchor. It is a role suited to his abilities and if he plays his role, it allows others to do theirs. He probably won't win you many ODI on his own. But he can be the basis for victories as a solid role player.
 
Imam and Babar showed yet again why they are the backbone of Pakistan's ODI batting.
 
Imam frustrates the hell out of me, everytime he goes for a big shot he mostly fails, ugly player who like talat just daps it down to third man.
 
I have been a massive critic in the past but have accepted , if an opener for Pakistan is averaging 50+ you need other around him to provide the big hits.

He is slowly improving and still quite young, if he could up his scoring rate in the power play we have finally found an opener for the Pakistan team
 
Too harsh on Imam here. You don't need to play fast when chasing 270 odd runs. At no time Pakistan was under pressure due to high RR.

Yes, Pakistan does not have the batting to chase 320-330 kind of score, but why play like you are chasing 320-330 when the actual score is only 270 odd runs?
 
He would do much better than Masood if he gets the same level of backing in Tests. He is still a young player and it is not easy to hit the ground running in Test cricket.

Even Babar struggled considerable from 2016 to 2018.

Pakistan should back Imam and he will come good in Test cricket as well. He has all the basic ingredients: concentration, appetite for scoring runs, temperament.

The likes of Imran and Abid have no business playing ahead of him and neither does Masood. One of them can potentially pay-off in the long run like Imam can.

He is the most accomplished young batsman in Pakistan after Babar and needs to be supported in Test cricket. We do not have better options.

Abdullah Shafique is all the hype these days and if he is as good as they claim, he can partner Imam in the Test team. Pakistan needs to find a partner for him as well.

Agreed. I like players who are aware that they have to continually improve and work hard (Imam, Shan, Fawad, etc.), rather than just bank on their natural hand-eye to get out of trouble.

Imam does play to the galleries with statements about how he wants to improve, but tbh, I don't really mind. As long as there is substance behind those statements.
 
It was good knock but Imam's problem is simple - an inability to pierce the infield in the PP overs. That's why his dot ball percentage is so high.

Top sides won't always allow you to catch up later. However it was an important knock in an important partnership.

Exactly this. This is the problem.
 
Imam has his faults a few of them but as far as the question in the op is concerned. No imam is not a liability for a team like pakistan. If he is replaced by rizwan the only other opener suitable for the job then the middle order will be left thin.
 
He was given a good run in side just like shan was and he was rubbish. He struggled in UAE vs NZ make grandhomme look like prime shane bond. His poor FC average on 35 is on par with other rubbish openers and is an indication of where he is at interms of red ball cricket.

The other openers with an average of 35 are a lot older than him. Imam still has a learning curve and he can improve with experience.

There is no justification for keeping him out for the likes of Abid, Imran, Masood etc. Sure if you can find a Rohit Sharma or Shubman Gill in Pakistan I am more than happy to see the back of Imam.

Same goes in ODI cricket. Those who are wailing about his SR, please suggest better alternatives instead of overhyping rubbish players as usual.

We do not have Bairstows and Roys waiting in the ranks. Imam is not elite but he is simply the best that we have.
 
The other openers with an average of 35 are a lot older than him. Imam still has a learning curve and he can improve with experience.

There is no justification for keeping him out for the likes of Abid, Imran, Masood etc. Sure if you can find a Rohit Sharma or Shubman Gill in Pakistan I am more than happy to see the back of Imam.

Same goes in ODI cricket. Those who are wailing about his SR, please suggest better alternatives instead of overhyping rubbish players as usual.

We do not have Bairstows and Roys waiting in the ranks. Imam is not elite but he is simply the best that we have.

People simply fail to accept this bitter truth. We also don't have the batting depth after Rizwan to go without Imam and play unreliable agressive hacks

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In a team devoid of quality bats hes one that can regularly make 50s and 100s

The problem is hes not a run a ball player and relies on catching up later in his innings which isnt ideal in this day and age

I think hes essential at the top because of how poor pakistans batting is but he just needs to find a way to score quicker and improve his shot range

Its imperative he does this because pakistan cant afford slow starts
 
Tbh i have been harsh on him but maybe cos im comparing us to the elite ODI teams like India England and Australia . Pak are not in that category so for our limitations as a team Imam isnt a bad option. He needs to improve strike rotation though. Always eats way too many dot balls in the powerplay and if the "hitter" partnering him like Fakhar fails which happens more often than not then the first half of his innings will look bad. He is reminded me a bit like a left handed Shehzad though more consistent id say
 
Imam is like Shai Hope from West Indies, great average in ODI but underrated by fans who are more impressed by flashier, inconsistent players. There should always be a place in the team for a player like Imam, a steady opener who other players can attack around safe in the knowledge that at least one end will be secure.
 
A good innings, but that shot really?

Just after you have lost your captain and a new batsman is at the crease.

Let it go, no need to play that shot.

I actually thought that shot was on. He was well set and the ball was in the right area to pull. The execution just wasnt great.

The stroke that worried me was that of Rizwan when he tried to slog to square leg and was caught at boundary line.
 
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