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[VIDEOS] Is Babar Azam the best all format batter in the world currently?

Savak said:
He is going the Hashim Amla route. Where he will score many meaningless runs, when it matters it will be against B, C attacks, when it doesn't matter then on flat pitches in first innings, but will always fail in crucial second innings when the pressure and expectations are really high.

The hype of Babar Azam has truly been exposed in the past 4-5 months since the Asia T20 Cup. What makes it even worse is his clueless captaincy where he has been exposed where it is very clear he is a poor reader of the game.
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Amla is underrated here.
He played some quality test knocks on tough pitches against top teams.
 
Suleiman said:
Yep. Lol at the ones who compared him to Kohli. It will take a million years for him to go to Australia and do what Kohli did to a peak Johnson fresh off of a dominating Ashes, if he can’t even handle Ben Stokes the bowler on the most lifeless pitch in the world.
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So kohlis never been dismissed for a low score on a flat wkt ever?

He must be super human stats then with a monster avge
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Amla is underrated here.
He played some quality test knocks on tough pitches against top teams.
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Amla during his peak years 2010-14 was a brilliant Test batsman. Not only did he perform against all attacks in all conditions, he also played some huge knocks under pressure.

However, he was a complete bottler in ODIs & T20Is & couldn’t handle the pressure & intensity of high profile white ball games.
 
Mobashir said:
People expect him to score a hundred in every innings ?

He is clearly the Best in the world.
Currently a top 5 cricketer with Smith, Stokes, Cummins and maybe Root.

No one else is as good as them. It's funny how supporters of a team loosing to Bangladesh, whitewashed by NZ keep commentating here.
They better go and see how can they find someone half as good as Babar on current form.
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Best in the world? After his performances in the Asia Cup and T20 world cup? Are you kidding me?

Babar can't play spin, can't play bounce and you call him the best in the world lol.

He is a solid batsman, but not the best in anything. Don't put him in conversations that he doesn't belong in.
 
Savak said:
He is going the Hashim Amla route. Where he will score many meaningless runs, when it matters it will be against B, C attacks, when it doesn't matter then on flat pitches in first innings, but will always fail in crucial second innings when the pressure and expectations are really high.

The hype of Babar Azam has truly been exposed in the past 4-5 months since the Asia T20 Cup. What makes it even worse is his clueless captaincy where he has been exposed where it is very clear he is a poor reader of the game.
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Has Hashim Amla scored innings like Babar's 196 vs Australia to save the test or the match-winning hundred chasing vs NZ in 2019 (genuine question)? To me, the only thing truly exposed is Babar the t20 opening batsman and Babar the captain. I think it's harsh to say Babar the batsman has been exposed (or that he's Amla level for that matter). At the very least, let's see how he does in next year's 50 over WC as ODIs are his bread and butter as well as the next time Pakistan tour Australia for tests (he was a newbie in his first tour and better in the next but don't think people viewed him in the lens that he is viewed today).
 
Lets stay with Babar Azam on this thread please.
 
Failed today when the team needed him the most. As long he is captain he will not be able to play to his full potential.
 
TeamPak95 said:
Has Hashim Amla scored innings like Babar's 196 vs Australia to save the test or the match-winning hundred chasing vs NZ in 2019 (genuine question)? To me, the only thing truly exposed is Babar the t20 opening batsman and Babar the captain. I think it's harsh to say Babar the batsman has been exposed (or that he's Amla level for that matter). At the very least, let's see how he does in next year's 50 over WC as ODIs are his bread and butter as well as the next time Pakistan tour Australia for tests (he was a newbie in his first tour and better in the next but don't think people viewed him in the lens that he is viewed today).
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Amla played Bazball before the English and won South Africa the match and the series with a 196 in Perth, yes. He also scored a 140 against Shane Bond in New Zealand. FYI, Babar is nowhere near Amla the test batsman.

Having said that, Babar is better than Kohli was at the same age and is currently, the best batsman in the world across formats.
 
Bilal7 said:
Amla played Bazball before the English and won South Africa the match and the series with a 196 in Perth, yes. He also scored a 140 against Shane Bond in New Zealand. FYI, Babar is nowhere near Amla the test batsman.

Having said that, Babar is better than Kohli was at the same age and is currently, the best batsman in the world across formats.
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Yeah if we're comparing high test accolades for Babar vs Amla, Amla wins it so far. I was more so going from the angle of the fact that there is still more Babar Azam to come, the dude is in his prime as a batsman. As with pretty much any highly-touted Asian batsman, it comes down to how he does in SENA. He has a good test record in England and New Zealand but not in Australia and South Africa. And I'm only talking individual performances here. If he does, say, play a monumental innings in Aus in which Pakistan wins the series (or a test match for that matter as they haven't won one against Aus since 96) that would definitely catapult Babar's test stature.

Regarding the Kohli take, I wholeheartedly disagree. At the same age as Babar, 28, Kohli had already accomplished feats of dominating the 2014 World T20 like no one ever has in a World T20, he scored 4 hundreds vs Aus in Aus against the likes of peak Johnson as well as Starc, Hazlewood and Harris, and was already comfortably regarded as one of if not the greatest chaser of all time. Babar's only notable chase was vs NZ in WC 2019 (which was impressive). At this moment in time, Babar is a world class batter in all formats (he seriously needs to come one down in t20s though) but in terms of accomplishments, the switch to start hitting boundaries (particularly when the game is on the line) and that killer instinct, he doesn't touch Kohli.
 
Bilal7 said:
Amla played Bazball before the English and won South Africa the match and the series with a 196 in Perth, yes. He also scored a 140 against Shane Bond in New Zealand. FYI, Babar is nowhere near Amla the test batsman.

Having said that, Babar is better than Kohli was at the same age and is currently, the best batsman in the world across formats.
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What a joke :)))

Babar is 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old.

Kohli was 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old on 25 December 2016.

Kohli in December 2016 was leagues above Babar in December 2022.

Babar never was and never will be in Kohli’s league. Kohli is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.

He is in the league of batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc. no Pakistan batsman ever, including Babar, is anywhere near that league.

Babar is a fine player in his own right. The biggest problem are his delusional fans who keep comparing him to a batsman who belongs to a different league.

It is not Babar’s fault that he is nowhere near Kohli & doesn’t have the same talent, skill level & mental fortitude.

You can have a great career & not be anywhere near Kohli. Babar’s delusional fans invite unnecessary criticism when they make the daft comparison between him & Kohli.
 
Mamoon said:
What a joke :)))

Babar is 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old.

Kohli was 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old on 25 December 2016.

Kohli in December 2016 was leagues above Babar in December 2022.

Babar never was and never will be in Kohli’s league. Kohli is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.

He is in the league of batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc. no Pakistan batsman ever, including Babar, is anywhere near that league.

Babar is a fine player in his own right. The biggest problem are his delusional fans who keep comparing him to a batsman who belongs to a different league.

It is not Babar’s fault that he is nowhere near Kohli & doesn’t have the same talent, skill level & mental fortitude.

You can have a great career & not be anywhere near Kohli. Babar’s delusional fans invite unnecessary criticism when they make the daft comparison between him & Kohli.
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Babar will definetely end up in the same league of players that you mentioned. BTW, did you forget to add ABD or deliberately didn't include his name in that list. I don't think any batsman was as complete as ABD ever in the history of the game. Sorry for going a little off-topic.
 
The_KING said:
Best in the world? After his performances in the Asia Cup and T20 world cup? Are you kidding me?

Babar can't play spin, can't play bounce and you call him the best in the world lol.

He is a solid batsman, but not the best in anything. Don't put him in conversations that he doesn't belong in.
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Who are top 5?
 
Mamoon said:
What a joke :)))

Babar is 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old.

Kohli was 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old on 25 December 2016.

Kohli in December 2016 was leagues above Babar in December 2022.

Babar never was and never will be in Kohli’s league. Kohli is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.

He is in the league of batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc. no Pakistan batsman ever, including Babar, is anywhere near that league.

Babar is a fine player in his own right. The biggest problem are his delusional fans who keep comparing him to a batsman who belongs to a different league.

It is not Babar’s fault that he is nowhere near Kohli & doesn’t have the same talent, skill level & mental fortitude.

You can have a great career & not be anywhere near Kohli. Babar’s delusional fans invite unnecessary criticism when they make the daft comparison between him & Kohli.
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You are talking about someone Who doesn't average 50 in test cricket, Who has won nothing in odi's and t20's and has bottled in the mort number of important innings in test , odi's ans t20's.

His numbers Still make him à brillant batsman but surely Babar has nothing envy him. Two tests ago, Babar has played an innings in à Galle turner That Kohli hasn't played in his entire test career and that too having multiple occasions.

I Know what you are trying to do, you are Hurt by the defeat against Bangladesh, tje whitewash against NZ, so you try to focus on other things.
 
heddie19 said:
Babar will definetely end up in the same league of players that you mentioned. BTW, did you forget to add ABD or deliberately didn't include his name in that list. I don't think any batsman was as complete as ABD ever in the history of the game. Sorry for going a little off-topic.
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Babar will end up in the league of Tendulkar, Viv, Lara, Ponting and Kohli? Do you guys even think before you type?
 
Babar gets out to pace bowler "Babar cannot play bounce", and when he gets out to spin bowler "he cannot play spin", so I wonder all tgose rums he is been scoring across all format what kind of bowlers he was facing.
 
Savak said:
He is going the Hashim Amla route. Where he will score many meaningless runs, when it matters it will be against B, C attacks, when it doesn't matter then on flat pitches in first innings, but will always fail in crucial second innings when the pressure and expectations are really high.

The hype of Babar Azam has truly been exposed in the past 4-5 months since the Asia T20 Cup. What makes it even worse is his clueless captaincy where he has been exposed where it is very clear he is a poor reader of the game.
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Nah, Hashim was simply too far ahead in the test format. Babar is no where close.

Babar and Hashim may have similarities in shorter formats.
 
nope, he isn't. too much statpadding in tests on world's highest averaging roads (good performance in ENG though), poor s/r in T20Is. ODIs are his best format. but he isn't the best all format batter currently.
 
PakPremi said:
Babar gets out to pace bowler "Babar cannot play bounce", and when he gets out to spin bowler "he cannot play spin", so I wonder all tgose rums he is been scoring across all format what kind of bowlers he was facing.
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Some people here have lost it.
Obviously he is going to get out every time he bats. He can't play any kind of bowling and still is the best or top 3 batsmen in the world. Try to guess what do the others batsman do.
 
The_KING said:
Any batsmen that don't flop in world cups and Asia cups. You don't become the best in the world by bashing second or third string bowling attacks in bilateral series.
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I know there will be no name.
Babar is the best all format batsman in the world. But given the importance of test matches is more, Smith and Root have to be there also.
 
heddie19 said:
Babar will definetely end up in the same league of players that you mentioned. BTW, did you forget to add ABD or deliberately didn't include his name in that list. I don't think any batsman was as complete as ABD ever in the history of the game. Sorry for going a little off-topic.
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Sorry Babar is nowhere near those batsmen.

First Babar has to surpass inzy, then the great Miandad after that he can think about the ones mentioned above.
 
The_KING said:
Any batsmen that don't flop in world cups and Asia cups. You don't become the best in the world by bashing second or third string bowling attacks in bilateral series.
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While teams may play 2nd or 3rd string against Pakistan, its not true for couple of top countries. Because they want the full strength team of those countries to tour.
 
Hitman said:
Babar will end up in the league of Tendulkar, Viv, Lara, Ponting and Kohli? Do you guys even think before you type?
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By 28 Tendulkar was already compared to Don Bradman.

Lara had scored the 375 and 277 by the time he was 28.

Ponting was avging 40 plus in most countries by 28 with exception of India.

If you take out the Australia series and this test, how much does Babar avg?
 
In a weak batting team where Babar is the best batsman and the captain, it is criminal to see him go missing on the big stage when it really matters for the team.
 
cricketjoshila said:
By 28 Tendulkar was already compared to Don Bradman.

Lara had scored the 375 and 277 by the time he was 28.

Ponting was avging 40 plus in most countries by 28 with exception of India.

If you take out the Australia series and this test, how much does Babar avg?
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IIRC, another poster commented on Barbar being better than Kohli at the same age.

Kohli was at the same age in Dec 2016, as Babar is today. A summary of his achievements by then

1. 2014 T20 MoTS
2. 2016 T20 MoTS
3. 5 x 100s in Aus
4. LOIs greatest chaser
5. CT2013 winner
6. WC11 winner
 
cricketjoshila said:
By 28 Tendulkar was already compared to Don Bradman.

Lara had scored the 375 and 277 by the time he was 28.

Ponting was avging 40 plus in most countries by 28 with exception of India.

If you take out the Australia series and this test, how much does Babar avg?
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Sachin was being compared to Bradman by the man himself by age 25.
 
Sidilicious said:
Sometimes I just come to PP to see such hilarious posts
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We have such namunaas on both sides of the border. A few years back, an Indian poster on an Indian forum was claiming how Kapil Dev was a better bowler than all Pakistani bowlers except Wasim Akram.
 
Mamoon said:
What a joke :)))

Babar is 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old.

Kohli was 28 years, 1 month & 21 days old on 25 December 2016.

Kohli in December 2016 was leagues above Babar in December 2022.

Babar never was and never will be in Kohli’s league. Kohli is leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced.

He is in the league of batsmen like Tendulkar, Ponting, Lara, Viv Richards etc. no Pakistan batsman ever, including Babar, is anywhere near that league.

Babar is a fine player in his own right. The biggest problem are his delusional fans who keep comparing him to a batsman who belongs to a different league.

It is not Babar’s fault that he is nowhere near Kohli & doesn’t have the same talent, skill level & mental fortitude.

You can have a great career & not be anywhere near Kohli. Babar’s delusional fans invite unnecessary criticism when they make the daft comparison between him & Kohli.
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2016 Kohli was a massive choker who couldn't play the moving ball and had zero notable accomplishments in test cricket.

It's only later on in his career that Kohli learned how to play swing and seam but he still doesn't have the same aura in test cricket that he does in LOs, which is why he is often overshadowed by Smith, Root, Kane and Babar himself.

People remember his tour of Australia where he batted on pitches deader than the one we're seeing in Rawalpindi and think that is some massive accomplishment, lol.
 
Bilal7 said:
2016 Kohli was a massive choker who couldn't play the moving ball and had zero notable accomplishments in test cricket.

It's only later on in his career that Kohli learned how to play swing and seam but he still doesn't have the same aura in test cricket that he does in LOs, which is why he is often overshadowed by Smith, Root, Kane and Babar himself.

People remember his tour of Australia where he batted on pitches deader than the one we're seeing in Rawalpindi and think that is some massive accomplishment, lol.
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Babar accomplishments in test cricket? Pray please talk about his accomplishments outside of Asia in test cricket?
 
Savak said:
In a weak batting team where Babar is the best batsman and the captain, it is criminal to see him go missing on the big stage when it really matters for the team.
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On his last two test series he has played two great knocks.
The 196 vs Australia at home to save the match and the hundred in Galle that was a great innings.
You can't ask for more or expect any batsman to score in every innings. Your expectations are too high. He just scored a 136 in the first innings too.
 
Anyone who understands cricket and has watched them both play knows that Babar is far better at playing the moving ball than Kohli was at the same age.
 
Sidilicious said:
And his achievements are……. One century outside Asia?
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He hasn't played any test matches outside Asia and the West Indies in the last two years. Rest assured, the Babbar Sher will roar on his next tours of SENA, InshaAllah.
 
Mobashir said:
On his last two test series he has played two great knocks.
The 196 vs Australia at home to save the match and the hundred in Galle that was a great innings.
You can't ask for more or expect any batsman to score in every innings. Your expectations are too high. He just scored a 136 in the first innings too.
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The Galle innings i understand but 196 was not a out of the world innings. Rizwan also scored a century and Asad Shafique made so 90 runs.
 
Bilal7 said:
Not being a bunny against swing and seam.
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How many hundreds in SENA?

Kohli has centuries in every Sena country. Avgs 50 plus in SA and Australia. He scored nearly 600 runs in a series in England in 2018.

Babar got out fending Ben Stokes on a road in Pindi.

But then again, as per you Ajmal was not chucking and if he was you would leave PP.

And Yasir Shah is a better bowler than Ashwin.

So i am not surprised with this new assessment of yours.
 
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Bilal7 said:
He hasn't played any test matches outside Asia and the West Indies in the last two years. Rest assured, the Babbar Sher will roar on his next tours of SENA, InshaAllah.
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Yeah we saw how he was roaring everytime short well came fast even in Pakistan pictvhes and no better than tailender against swing and seam and Australia,
Thread should be like
Is babar azam best stat padder currently?
 
Bilal7 said:
He hasn't played any test matches outside Asia and the West Indies in the last two years. Rest assured, the Babbar Sher will roar on his next tours of SENA, InshaAllah.
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You guys never produced a world class Atg Batsman so you can only hype your average Batsman that's it.
 
We have seen well who was playing like tailender in Australia when ball was swing,seaming and bouncing above waist, How world class batsman playing
 
Hitman said:
Babar will end up in the league of Tendulkar, Viv, Lara, Ponting and Kohli? Do you guys even think before you type?
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more than thinking. I do the complete analysis and yes, I standby my words. If posters here want to cherry pick stats of their liking, I can do better.

He has score more runs in his debut 50-Over WC than Virat scored in any of his 3.

Highest run-scorer of 2021 T20 WC.

Highest run-scorer of current on going ODI super league

2nd highest run scorer of the current on going ICC test championship.

He has 7 tons in 2022, a ton in every format of the game. 2nd to no one.

He is the highest run-scorer of 2022 across all 3 formats.

A sure-shot favorite for 2022 ICC Cricketer of the year.

He chased Pakistan's highest over t20 score last year, Pakistan's highest ever ODI chase this year with a 70 ball century, and in contrast he has a match saving 195 too in the 4th innings.


3,4 years like this and yes, he will be in the same category that I mentioned. He already tops Lara as far as LOIs are concerned.
He is a world beater and a few hiccups here and there can't take the greatness away from him. You jealous folks can't do anything about it. You keep spitting venom and he will keep shutting you up. Such is the class of the mighty Babar Azam.
 
This guy is all hype. Never showed up in crucial matches. Upgrade version of impactless Azhar Ali at best.
 
heddie19 said:
more than thinking. I do the complete analysis and yes, I standby my words. If posters here want to cherry pick stats of their liking, I can do better.

He has score more runs in his debut 50-Over WC than Virat scored in any of his 3.

Highest run-scorer of 2021 T20 WC.

Highest run-scorer of current on going ODI super league

2nd highest run scorer of the current on going ICC test championship.

He has 7 tons in 2022, a ton in every format of the game. 2nd to no one.

He is the highest run-scorer of 2022 across all 3 formats.

A sure-shot favorite for 2022 ICC Cricketer of the year.

He chased Pakistan's highest over t20 score last year, Pakistan's highest ever ODI chase this year with a 70 ball century, and in contrast he has a match saving 195 too in the 4th innings.


3,4 years like this and yes, he will be in the same category that I mentioned. He already tops Lara as far as LOIs are concerned.
He is a world beater and a few hiccups here and there can't take the greatness away from him. You jealous folks can't do anything about it. You keep spitting venom and he will keep shutting you up. Such is the class of the mighty Babar Azam.
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How many matches he single-handedly win for Pakistan rather than playing for records?
 
As expected this thread is active once babar scored hundred on a flat track. Babar's age is 28 and at this age Kohli used to smash other teams in all 3 formats. Babar had a disastrous Asia Cup and T20 Worldcup at the age of 28 and finished Kohli is top scorer of these 2 tournaments.
 
Best stat padder Pakistan has ever produced. This guy will definitely leave Sachin behind
 
Pakistan needed the 136 in the second innings when it really mattered. Nobody cares when you score big runs in losing causes and when it doesn't matter.
 
Then people have audacity to compare with him kohli,
Kohli was the captain who led to us number 1 test of this decade who inducted culture of fast bowling in his regime and than This Guy Babar who's dragging pak test cricket in graveyard.
Can't even play short balls on these highways neither comfortable against 145+ pace
 
He isn't even a top-10 Test batsman. Scoring heavily on asbolute pattas or against minnows are his only Test credentials.
 
Bilal7 said:
Having said that, Babar is better than Kohli was at the same age and is currently, the best batsman in the world across formats.
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Wrong, Kohli had already won 2 man of the tournaments in t20 Wc and was already at the top of odi rankings with many innings which Babar can only dream of also multiple hundred in SENA.

Comparing Kohli of 2016 to present day Babar is a joke.
 
Shafi said:
How many matches he single-handedly win for Pakistan rather than playing for records?
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First and foremost, let me correct you that cricket is a team sport not an individual sport. The player who has the most contributions to the team is considered the best. Now just for your sake, let me tell you the number of matches might Babar has won for us.

1. Winning Century 1st ODI against WI 2016
2. Winning Century 2nd ODI against WI 2016
3. Winning Century 3rd ODI against WI 2016
4. Winning Century 1st ODI against WI 2017 away
5. Undefeated against SA ahead of DL in a must win match CT 2017
6. Undefeated against ENG CT SF 2017
7. Valuable 46 playing the anchor with Fakhar in CT Final 2017
8.Winning Century against SL 2017 1st ODI
9. Winning Century against SL 2017 2nd ODI
10. 1st Test Century - Match Winning - Dubai - 2018 against NZ
11. Valuable match winning 69 against ENG WC 2019
12. Valuable match-winning 66 against SA WC 2019
13. Match-winning century in a sucessful run chase - WC 2019
14. Match chasing 55* against WI- first t20i - 2016
15. Match winning 86 against World XI - 1st t20i
16. Match Winning 29-ball 50* against NZ in NZ - T20I - 2018
17. Match Winning 97* against WI- T20i - 2018
18. Match Winning 68* against AUS - T20i - 2018
19. Match Winning 50* against AUS - T20i - 2018
20. Match Winning 79 against NZ - T20i - 2018
21. Match Winning ton against SL - 2nd test - 2019
22. Match Winning ton against SL - 1st ODI - 2019
23. Match Winning ton in a run-chase against SA in SA - 1st ODI - 2021
24. Match winning 122 in a 200+ run chase at SR of 220 against SA in SA - 3rd t20i- 2021
25. Match Winning 45 off 30 against SA at home in the decisive t20i - 2021
26. Match Winning 85 off 49 against ENG at ENG - 1st t20i - 2021
27. Match Winning 143 against BD in the only test - 2019
28. Match Winning 94 against BD WC - 2019
29. Test saving 196 in 4th innings against AUS - 2022
30. Match winning century in SL against SL when innings 2nd highest score was 19. 2022
31. Match Winning 68* agaisnt India T20 WC - 2021
32. Match Winning 51 against AFG T20 WC - 2021
33. Match Winning 79 in 200+ t20 run chase against WI - 2021
34. Match Winning 110* in a 200+ run chase agaisnt ENG T20i - 2022
35. Match Winning 79* in a run chase t20i against NZ - 2022
36. Match winning 53 in a WC SF against NZ - 2022
37. Match Winning 100 of 71 balls against AUS in PAK's highest ever ODI run chase 2022 against AUS - 2022
38. Match winning 100 against AUS in a run chase in the decisive ODI - 2022
39. Match winning 100 against WI ODI - 2022




Haven't counted his innings ZIM or Netherlands etc. Easily 40 match winning knocks with his bat in a span of just 6 years. Bring any other cricketer from any damn planet to beat that. I will wait. :)
 
Babar is the best batsman in the world in the same delusional world where:

- Naseem is the best young fast bowler in the world

- Rauf is a world class fast bowler

- Shadab is the best spinner & all-rounder in the world

- Rizwan is the best wicket-keeper batsman in the world

- Pakistan is a better team than India currently

Such a shame that in spite of having so many best in the worlds, Pakistan is not ranked number one in all formats. I wonder what could be the reason.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is the best batsman in the world in the same delusional world where:

- Naseem is the best young fast bowler in the world

- Rauf is a world class fast bowler

- Shadab is the best spinner & all-rounder in the world

- Rizwan is the best wicket-keeper batsman in the world

- Pakistan is a better team than India currently

Such a shame that in spite of having so many best in the worlds, Pakistan is not ranked number one in all formats. I wonder what could be the reason.
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The other 5-6 players. It's not hard when you use your head.
 
GreenBee said:
He isn't even a top-10 Test batsman. Scoring heavily on asbolute pattas or against minnows are his only Test credentials.
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The world's best batter, joe root scored less than him on the same patta. Do you realize that?
 
heddie19 said:
The world's best batter, joe root scored less than him on the same patta. Do you realize that?
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Lol

Joe Root didn’t struggle on the wicket like Babar did in the 4th innings under pressure :))
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Wrong, Kohli had already won 2 man of the tournaments in t20 Wc and was already at the top of odi rankings with many innings which Babar can only dream of also multiple hundred in SENA.

Comparing Kohli of 2016 to present day Babar is a joke.
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Babar has been #1 in ODIs for a long time now. Would be interesting to compare how long each of them have been at the top at the same age. Ditto for T20s, where Babar was #1 until recently.

Yes, Babar can only dream of averaging just 13 in England against the trundler more commonly known as Anderson chacha. Kohli's hundreds against Australia came on absolutely placid wickets.

Also, like I said, Babar hasn't toured outside Asia and the West Indies over the last two years when he's finally come into his own. On his next tours, he'll show his class.
 
Bilal7 said:
The other 5-6 players. It's not hard when you use your head.
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Correct, if Pakistan had 11 such players, they would be giving the great Australia & West Indies a run for their money.

I wonder what body part did you think with to come up with this conclusion that Pakistan has 4-5 world class players in the team who are being held back by the other 5-6 players.

This is why Pakistani fans are famous all over the world for being the most delusional fans in the world. The gap between what they expect from the team & what the team is actually capable of is comical.

This is why it is their fault not the teams. It is not Babar’s fault he is not as good & will never be as good as Kohli. It is the fault of his fans who keep comparing him to a batsman who belongs to a different league.
 
Aseem_04 said:
You guys never produced a world class Atg Batsman so you can only hype your average Batsman that's it.
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Miandad and Younis were better batsmen than Gavasker and Dravid. Go seethe some more. Half of the reason why the India team were Pakistan's whipping boys for much of our history is because we had more than one great batsman in our team.

Babar is simply carrying on from the likes of Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis with Rizwan, Imam and Abdullah also having the potential to become great.

Meanwhile, India's phasht-bowling. :))
 
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Mamoon said:
Correct, if Pakistan had 11 such players, they would be giving the great Australia & West Indies a run for their money.

I wonder what body part did you think with to come up with this conclusion that Pakistan has 4-5 world class players in the team who are being held back by the other 5-6 players.

This is why Pakistani fans are famous all over the world for being the most delusional fans in the world. The gap between what they expect from the team & what the team is actually capable of is comical.

This is why it is their fault not the teams. It is not Babar’s fault he is not as good & will never be as good as Kohli. It is the fault of his fans who keep comparing him to a batsman who belongs to a different league.
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It honestly doesn't take much to realize that Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab and Haris are world-class. Iftikhar, Masood, Wasim, Khushdil and Asif are not.

You can a similar analysis for the test team. If you open the thread on the Imam and Abdullah partnership, you'll see that I don't rate any of Pakistan's test spinners or their current #3.
 
heddie19 said:
The world's best batter, joe root scored less than him on the same patta. Do you realize that?
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Root is a proven Test batsman while Babar is an FTB and minnow basher so far. Madan Lal outperformed ATG West Indian bowlers in a lot of matches too, doesn't mean a thing. That's not how you compare players, you gotta look at their career.
 
Bilal7 said:
It honestly doesn't take much to realize that Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab and Haris are world-class. Iftikhar, Masood, Wasim, Khushdil and Asif are not.

You can a similar analysis for the test team. If you open the thread on the Imam and Abdullah partnership, you'll see that I don't rate any of Pakistan's test spinners or their current #3.
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Should i stat dravid test figure here ,Miandad and yonis are no where near dravid, Gavaskar ,Though Miandad was better odi batsmen to both of them, And if you were talking about our fast bowling they were never involved in ball tampering and ways of manipulation tricks, Still we rate Wasim ,Asif,Imran, akhtar as one of the legends of game ,Evem my favorite bowler from subcontinent is Asif , i won't rate waqar and other pak bowlers they were,are all average, Waqar benefitted largely from ball tampering
We have produced Kapil, Zaheer khan, Bumrah ,Shami, Now siraj They are all world class ,Kapil and Bumrah are Atg so it's not like we haven't produced great fast bowlers, and in spin we produced better legends.

Your all wins are before 2000 period, If you have played us after 2010 In tests we have massacred your team in tests
 
Younis Khan better than Gavaskar and Dravid? Yaar koi mujhe utha lo. Ye sab dekh kar ab jeena nahi hai.
 
Younus Khan was even better then Viv Richards according to [MENTION=538]bilal[/MENTION]. so dravid and Gavaskar can't be compared.
Gavaskar in Test was a beast which Younus Khan can dream of tbh.
 
Lol Rizwan, imam, Abdullah these guys won't find place even second string of Australia ,india,Africa, English side
 
Bilal7 said:
It honestly doesn't take much to realize that Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Shadab and Haris are world-class. Iftikhar, Masood, Wasim, Khushdil and Asif are not.

You can a similar analysis for the test team. If you open the thread on the Imam and Abdullah partnership, you'll see that I don't rate any of Pakistan's test spinners or their current #3.
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Babar and Rizwan are world class where?
 
Babar may be seen as a greatest batsman for Pakistan but by no means he is world class player.

In Tests, his competitors are Smith, Root, Kohli and Williamson. He may be better than Williamson at the moment but no way he closer to any of the 3 top test batsmen.

ODIs has been his best format at international level. But unfortunately, Virat has been so good in this format from 2012 to 2019 that no one should dare to compare Babar with all time great ODI batsman.

In T20s, his strike rate reflects the kind of stature he has at international level.

So to sum up, he will end his career on a high note with more than 50 centuries for Pakistan with highest run scorer along with an ICC trophy may be. But when it comes to top 3 batsmen across all formats, dont see him finding a place in the elite list.
 
heddie19 said:
First and foremost, let me correct you that cricket is a team sport not an individual sport. The player who has the most contributions to the team is considered the best. Now just for your sake, let me tell you the number of matches might Babar has won for us.

1. Winning Century 1st ODI against WI 2016
2. Winning Century 2nd ODI against WI 2016
3. Winning Century 3rd ODI against WI 2016
4. Winning Century 1st ODI against WI 2017 away
5. Undefeated against SA ahead of DL in a must win match CT 2017
6. Undefeated against ENG CT SF 2017
7. Valuable 46 playing the anchor with Fakhar in CT Final 2017
8.Winning Century against SL 2017 1st ODI
9. Winning Century against SL 2017 2nd ODI
10. 1st Test Century - Match Winning - Dubai - 2018 against NZ
11. Valuable match winning 69 against ENG WC 2019
12. Valuable match-winning 66 against SA WC 2019
13. Match-winning century in a sucessful run chase - WC 2019
14. Match chasing 55* against WI- first t20i - 2016
15. Match winning 86 against World XI - 1st t20i
16. Match Winning 29-ball 50* against NZ in NZ - T20I - 2018
17. Match Winning 97* against WI- T20i - 2018
18. Match Winning 68* against AUS - T20i - 2018
19. Match Winning 50* against AUS - T20i - 2018
20. Match Winning 79 against NZ - T20i - 2018
21. Match Winning ton against SL - 2nd test - 2019
22. Match Winning ton against SL - 1st ODI - 2019
23. Match Winning ton in a run-chase against SA in SA - 1st ODI - 2021
24. Match winning 122 in a 200+ run chase at SR of 220 against SA in SA - 3rd t20i- 2021
25. Match Winning 45 off 30 against SA at home in the decisive t20i - 2021
26. Match Winning 85 off 49 against ENG at ENG - 1st t20i - 2021
27. Match Winning 143 against BD in the only test - 2019
28. Match Winning 94 against BD WC - 2019
29. Test saving 196 in 4th innings against AUS - 2022
30. Match winning century in SL against SL when innings 2nd highest score was 19. 2022
31. Match Winning 68* agaisnt India T20 WC - 2021
32. Match Winning 51 against AFG T20 WC - 2021
33. Match Winning 79 in 200+ t20 run chase against WI - 2021
34. Match Winning 110* in a 200+ run chase agaisnt ENG T20i - 2022
35. Match Winning 79* in a run chase t20i against NZ - 2022
36. Match winning 53 in a WC SF against NZ - 2022
37. Match Winning 100 of 71 balls against AUS in PAK's highest ever ODI run chase 2022 against AUS - 2022
38. Match winning 100 against AUS in a run chase in the decisive ODI - 2022
39. Match winning 100 against WI ODI - 2022




Haven't counted his innings ZIM or Netherlands etc. Easily 40 match winning knocks with his bat in a span of just 6 years. Bring any other cricketer from any damn planet to beat that. I will wait. :)
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Counted about 21 knocks coming against either weak opposition or a second string attack. Don't take my word for it - check the scorecards.

Not denying there's some excellent innings in there, but you can also draw up a long list of high-pressure matches where Babar failed - the Asia Cup and T20 World Cup being two recent examples where his ICC rankings, fan hype and pretty coverdrives counted for nothing.

The fact is Babar's very fortunate to play in an era when teams routinely rest their best players in white ball bilaterals, two new balls in ODIs and generally flat pitches. His weaknesses against bounce, legspin and generally timid character would've been exposed brutally in the 90s.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Babar may be seen as a greatest batsman for Pakistan but by no means he is world class player.

In Tests, his competitors are Smith, Root, Kohli and Williamson. He may be better than Williamson at the moment but no way he closer to any of the 3 top test batsmen.

ODIs has been his best format at international level. But unfortunately, Virat has been so good in this format from 2012 to 2019 that no one should dare to compare Babar with all time great ODI batsman.

In T20s, his strike rate reflects the kind of stature he has at international level.

So to sum up, he will end his career on a high note with more than 50 centuries for Pakistan with highest run scorer along with an ICC trophy may be. But when it comes to top 3 batsmen across all formats, dont see him finding a place in the elite list.
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He is surely world class in ODI and Test format. ODI is his best format. In test, not really the top 4-5 batsmen, but I will count him as world class. We are not talking about ATG here, just world class. In T20, he is not world class. He won't make into any 4th world eleven for me. T20 is just not his game.

Many PPers overrate Babar, but you are underrating him here.
 
Buffet said:
He is surely world class in ODI and Test format. ODI is his best format. In test, not really the top 4-5 batsmen, but I will count him as world class. We are not talking about ATG here, just world class. In T20, he is not world class. He won't make into any 4th world eleven for me. T20 is just not his game.

Many PPers overrate Babar, but you are underrating him here.
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That's what I said, he has long way to go in Tests and T20s. He is extremely good in ODIs but Virat has set unreal standards in this format.
 
This all format theory works because he is better than all format competitors in some format, even though he is not the best comparison with single format players. In tests Labu is ahead of him now, Smith is ahead. In ODIs
he probably might enjoy the top ranking because Kohli is at the back end of his career alongwith Rohit/Dhawan.
England approach is more like collection of beasts so individuals may not have the stats. I expect Shubman Gill to be a top ODI player soon.
 
Bilal7 said:
He hasn't played any test matches outside Asia and the West Indies in the last two years. Rest assured, the Babbar Sher will roar on his next tours of SENA, InshaAllah.
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Lol then you need to hold it in till he does that because right now there is no comparison with Kohli. Loooong way to go.
 
Maliq_Mudasir said:
Babar may be seen as a greatest batsman for Pakistan but by no means he is world class player.

In Tests, his competitors are Smith, Root, Kohli and Williamson. He may be better than Williamson at the moment but no way he closer to any of the 3 top test batsmen.

ODIs has been his best format at international level. But unfortunately, Virat has been so good in this format from 2012 to 2019 that no one should dare to compare Babar with all time great ODI batsman.

In T20s, his strike rate reflects the kind of stature he has at international level.

So to sum up, he will end his career on a high note with more than 50 centuries for Pakistan with highest run scorer along with an ICC trophy may be. But when it comes to top 3 batsmen across all formats, dont see him finding a place in the elite list.
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He isn't Pakistan's greatest batsman.

That would be the great Javed Miandad. Followed by Inzy
 
Buffet said:
He is surely world class in ODI and Test format. ODI is his best format. In test, not really the top 4-5 batsmen, but I will count him as world class. We are not talking about ATG here, just world class. In T20, he is not world class. He won't make into any 4th world eleven for me. T20 is just not his game.

Many PPers overrate Babar, but you are underrating him here.
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I disagree. He is good in tests. But to be world class, he needs a few innings outside Asia.
 
Babar Azam is good in ODIs but he is grossly overrated in tests. I mean he has grand total of 1 century in SENA at the age of 28 ! Even Saurav Ganguly and Virender Sehwag had lot more centuries in SENA at that age. Forget Kohli or Sachin

And some fans say he is better than Kohli. Its like saying Zaheer Khan was better than Wasim Akram :facepalm
 
He should give up captaincy because it is affecting his performances just like it affected Sachin's. :inti
 
Tendulkar is one of the worst captains of all-time. Babar's batting has been still good enough as captain. No comparison really with Tendulkar on this front.
 
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