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Kohli was scoring a 200 almost every home series when he was Babar’s age.
 
got cleaned up by Robinson!

It's laughable to see some armchair experts trying to make him look better than kohli was at some stage LoL.

When Kohli was 24, he scored a century & a 96 against prime Steyn&Co in South Africa and scored 4 centuries in one series in Australia!

4 years later when he was around 28, he outscored Both South Africa and England players in their own backyard with a 150 in SA and 600 in England whereas babar has gone past those years and already 28, with no notable performance in SENA!

No one in their right mind would call someone with a whopping number of "one" overseas test century in 7 years of career as best in the world!
 
Mamoon said:
Kohli was scoring a 200 almost every home series when he was Babar’s age.
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And what has this to do with the thread?
Babar is the best batsman in the world in company of Root and maybe Smith over the past 2/3 years.
You will have to live with it.
 
Most batters would have got out to the Babar ball today. Robinson is a quality bowler who averages under 20 in Test cricket, and that was a beautiful reverse inswinging delivery.
 
James said:
Most batters would have got out to the Babar ball today. Robinson is a quality bowler who averages under 20 in Test cricket, and that was a beautiful reverse inswinging delivery.
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Kohli wouldn't. He would know he has to keep his defence tight and he needed to be on the watch for a reverse swinging in swinger with the old ball.
 
Savak said:
Kohli wouldn't. He would know he has to keep his defence tight and he needed to be on the watch for a reverse swinging in swinger with the old ball.
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You have to be the most biased poster here. The funny thing is unlike Mamoon who does it on purpose to post silly things you seem to be very serious about your posts.
 
Mobashir said:
You have to be the most biased poster here. The funny thing is unlike Mamoon who does it on purpose to post silly things you seem to be very serious about your posts.
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I am. Kohli dominated most bowling attacks at home. He would not bowled through the gate like a school boy at home against Olie Robinson.

Babar has been treated like a prince and he's now content with mediocre performances
 
Savak said:
Kohli wouldn't. He would know he has to keep his defence tight and he needed to be on the watch for a reverse swinging in swinger with the old ball.
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This is nonsense.

Kohli in Tests isn’t even that good anymore anyway.
 
Savak said:
I am. Kohli dominated most bowling attacks at home. He would not bowled through the gate like a school boy at home against Olie Robinson.

Babar has been treated like a prince and he's now content with mediocre performances
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That’s a huge insult to Ollie Robinson, who averages below 20 in Test cricket across England, Australia and Pakistan.

He is a quality Test match bowler.
 
Savak said:
I am. Kohli dominated most bowling attacks at home. He would not bowled through the gate like a school boy at home against Olie Robinson.

Babar has been treated like a prince and he's now content with mediocre performances
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Yes, he just played a mediocre innings. Isn't it?

Ok he would not got out by Robinson, but by another bowler. That makes you happier?
As I said, the hate that hit Babar's hater is something else.
Let's say he is not the best batter of the current decade, it's someone else. Who it is? Root, Smith?
He will then be third best.

Even this is tremendous.
 
Babar is possibly the best bat in the last 2-3 years. But he is not daylight ahead of others or by far the best. He is the best because then fab 4 have waned and the next gen haven’t delivered yet. Even then he is only the best in ODIs. He is bang average in T20s and good in Tests. But there are better test batsmen than him.

But he is nowhere in the fab 4 class. To be considered in that class, you need to have a body of work, especially in tests, which he doesn’t.
 
Babar scored 75 out of a 202 team score.

That’s nearly 40% of the team’s runs.

Clearly his batting is not the problem here.
 
Bilal7 said:
- Outbatted Smith in a test series with Australia having the far better bowling attack.
- Outbatting Root in a test series with England having the far better bowling attack.
- Will Outbat Kane in a test series with New Zealand having the far better bowling attack, InshaAllah.
- Would outbat Kohli in a test series despite India having the far better bowling attack.

Let's not even bring LOs into the picture.

However, according to the critics, he still won't be as good as the awkwardly titled "Fab Four".

In reality, Babar is better than any of them were at his age. He's only going to get better while these guys are all slowing down and getting ducks against the West Indies and losing series to Bangladesh, lmao.
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Half of your points are what Babar could and would achieve. He will be considered in the Kohli class after he has achieved it.
 
The lone Ranger said:
got cleaned up by Robinson!

It's laughable to see some armchair experts trying to make him look better than kohli was at some stage LoL.

When Kohli was 24, he scored a century & a 96 against prime Steyn&Co in South Africa and scored 4 centuries in one series in Australia!

4 years later when he was around 28, he outscored Both South Africa and England players in their own backyard with a 150 in SA and 600 in England whereas babar has gone past those years and already 28, with no notable performance in SENA!

No one in their right mind would call someone with a whopping number of "one" overseas test century in 7 years of career as best in the world!
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Babar scored a 100 and a 96~ against cummins starc hazlewood in their den. Secondly he has 2 overseas hundreds not one. Thirdly Babar has only gotten one series in sa and nz both when he was still young in his career and had not found his feet in the format. Virat in his first England tour was an epic flop and only 4 years later did he produce that 600 series. Babar has gotten limited opportunities in England and has so far been decent but slightly disappointing.
 
Sidilicious said:
Babar is possibly the best bat in the last 2-3 years. But he is not daylight ahead of others or by far the best. He is the best because then fab 4 have waned and the next gen haven’t delivered yet. Even then he is only the best in ODIs. He is bang average in T20s and good in Tests. But there are better test batsmen than him.
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Nice to see a post related to the topic of the thread. I don't agree with everything in it but at least appreciate that an indian cricket fan can actually post on topic.
The likes of Savak, Mamoon and other haters can't even post on topic.

On topic, these days he is not just good in Tests, he is very good. He played a very fine innings here. His hundred and 81 in Sri Lanka were also brilliant as was his 196 vs Australia.
To go to the next level as a test batsman he will now have to score heavely on his next foreign tours.

In ODI's, well, he is simply the best. Way in front of anyone else. Second best is Steven Smith who is also well behind.
 
Babar has just started playing at his real home and some fans are already getting insecurities. They don't forget to remind that he is playing at home. Where were these fans when he was playing in UAE? :inti
 
As of right now it is not even a debate as to who is the best all format batsman in the world...Babar is well ahead of everyone due to multiple reasons. The main one being that hardly any batsman play or perform in all formats right now. Even in Tests he is 200 runs behind Root for the year having played half the number of matches. The problem is that we are not used to Batsman performing regularly and now that Babar is doing it we expect him to do so in every match. He has 8 fifty plus scores in 9 matches this year in ODI and is breaking every record in the book but we still look for the negatives in it. He has 900 odd runs in 7 Test matches this year which is as good as any year Kohli or anyone has ever had but we still find ways to criticize. Even in T20 he is the 4th or 5th highest scorer this year but we criticize him.

fast is he is and will be the best all format batter for a while now and we should juts accept it and appreciate his performance
 
It is quite simple.
Babar Azam is definitely the best all format batter in the world as of now.

The fab four has declined, some of them don't play LOIs and some are not good enough in t20s, also no one else from the current generation has delivered.

So Babar is the best as of now, but the standards are too low these days.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
It is quite simple.
Babar Azam is definitely the best all format batter in the world as of now.

The fab four has declined, some of them don't play LOIs and some are not good enough in t20s, also no one else from the current generation has delivered.

So Babar is the best as of now, but the standards are too low these days.
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They are low indeed. Anyone can become Gilly 2.0 or Kohli 2.0 these days. :inti
 
Babar is such a coward personality. He brought Abrar too late when England already heading towards big lead.
 
Classic Babar. Plays his pretty shots, gets to 75 and just when the team desperately needs him to push on for a century to keep us in the series - he then gets out.

Most of the Pakistani awaam are obsessed with style over substance. If you score important runs but look ungainly (Younis Khan) then you won't get the same hype as someone who scores soft runs but look aesthetically pleasing in the process (M Yousuf/Babar).
 
Mobashir said:
Perfect answer. The way he is going to be out will be considered the worst.
The reality is he played a very fine innings here.
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I had to mention it because big players rarely get cleaned up in home conditions and also it looks like England have used Robinson as part time in this match. He didn't even bowl a over in this inning till that point, as soon as he came to bowl he cleaned him up!.

Babar's inning looks fine but actually he scored most of them against leach, root, and Jack that's it. Anderson, wood only bowled 5 overs and conceded 10 (Robinson didn't even bowl) when he got out.
 
MHN1293 said:
Babar scored a 100 and a 96~ against cummins starc hazlewood in their den. Secondly he has 2 overseas hundreds not one. Thirdly Babar has only gotten one series in sa and nz both when he was still young in his career and had not found his feet in the format. Virat in his first England tour was an epic flop and only 4 years later did he produce that 600 series. Babar has gotten limited opportunities in England and has so far been decent but slightly disappointing.
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When did he score his second overseas century? And in which country? Yes Virat flopped in that tour but in his second tour he outperformed everyone by a country miles like the second best in that series was 349 compared to his 600. It's not like Babar didn't fail in his first tour either. He also epicly failed in his first Australian tour with a total of 69 in 6 innings combined and performed well in his second tour on pitches where Warner made 300s, 200s for fun and Yasir Shah did well as good as babar with the bat.
 
The lone Ranger said:
When did he score his second overseas century? And in which country? Yes Virat flopped in that tour but in his second tour he outperformed everyone by a country miles like the second best in that series was 349 compared to his 600. It's not like Babar didn't fail in his first tour either. He also epicly failed in his first Australian tour with a total of 69 in 6 innings combined and performed well in his second tour on pitches where Warner made 300s, 200s for fun and Yasir Shah did well as good as babar with the bat.
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In srilanka. As for the Australia series, yes the wickets were pretty flat but they weren't absolute roads. The Pakistan attack back then was a joke a young shaheen, a 17 yo naseem, trundler abbas and yasir shah who even part timers out preform in sena. Other than Babar rizwan and a fluke innings by yasir no other pak batsmen stepped up
 
Markhor said:
Classic Babar. Plays his pretty shots, gets to 75 and just when the team desperately needs him to push on for a century to keep us in the series - he then gets out.

Most of the Pakistani awaam are obsessed with style over substance. If you score important runs but look ungainly (Younis Khan) then you won't get the same hype as someone who scores soft runs but look aesthetically pleasing in the process (M Yousuf/Babar).
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Hey genius, I agree that most often Babar fails when his team needs a century from him.

So far in this series his team needed à century in all 3 innings from him and he delivered only once. But even then, his 136 wasn't enough, it was the first innings, he should have made a 200.
In the last innings in SL, he made 81 in the 4th innings and we lost, you know why ? Because Babar wasn't able to deliver when needed.

4 innings in a row, he hasn't delivered. I am sure if continue to look back we will find many more.
 
The lone Ranger said:
I had to mention it because big players rarely get cleaned up in home conditions and also it looks like England have used Robinson as part time in this match. He didn't even bowl a over in this inning till that point, as soon as he came to bowl he cleaned him up!.

Babar's inning looks fine but actually he scored most of them against leach, root, and Jack that's it. Anderson, wood only bowled 5 overs and conceded 10 (Robinson didn't even bowl) when he got out.
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Yes big players rarely get bowled in home conditions on saturdays by someone bowling his first over of the innings.
All this makes me think Babar isn't a big player, that is the only reason that happened to him.


Not that it matters, but it was the first time he got bowled at home, it happened 28 times to Dravid, 27 times to Tendulkar, 21 each to Kallis and Ponting, 16 times to Root and 7 times to Kohli.

Now go on and prove whatever you want.
 
Babar needs to start delivering in tests. He needs an iconic innings in test. Something like chasing and leading in the 4th innings of this test.
 
Mobashir said:
And what has this to do with the thread?
Babar is the best batsman in the world in company of Root and maybe Smith over the past 2/3 years.
You will have to live with it.
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Babar is the best batsman in the world in the same delusional world where:

- Naseem is the best young fast bowler in the world

- Rauf is a world class fast bowler

- Shadab is the best spinner & all-rounder in the world

- Rizwan is the best wicket-keeper batsman in the world

Such a mystery that in spite of having so many best in the worlds, Pakistan keeps losing in all formats.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is the best batsman in the world in the same delusional world where:

- Naseem is the best young fast bowler in the world

- Rauf is a world class fast bowler

- Shadab is the best spinner & all-rounder in the world

- Rizwan is the best wicket-keeper batsman in the world

Such a mystery that in spite of having so many best in the worlds, Pakistan keeps losing in all formats.
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Again a useless post in this thread.
Name better batsman from the start of the decade.
 
Sidilicious said:
Babar needs to start delivering in tests. He needs an iconic innings in test. Something like chasing and leading in the 4th innings of this test.
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If his innings in Sri Lanka wasn't good enough for you, not many will be.
And his 196 was also tremendous.
 
Mobashir said:
If his innings in Sri Lanka wasn't good enough for you, not many will be.
And his 196 was also tremendous.
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Innings against SriLankan team with no named spinners and pacers don't count as classics.

If this is what counts as a good innings than the likes of fab four have played innings like these dime a dozen.

Can you name one good bowler in that SriLankan team? Go for it.
 
It was a great ball, not unplayable but a great ball.
It's test match cricket, and you can't score in every innings.
 
Mobashir said:
Again a useless post in this thread.
Name better batsman from the start of the decade.
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Babar is a just a “very good” batsman by international standards, every team has several batsmen of his caliber.

He gets so much adulation & attention in Pakistan because Pakistan is the worst & least talented batting country ever.

When you go from batsmen like Hafeez, Malik, Umar Akmal, Nasir Jamshed, Shehzad, Maqsood etc. to Babar, he is obviously going to look like Don Bradman in comparison.
 
Babar over rated incompetent choker Azam. Been brutally exposed in the last 4 months
 
Babar dismissal today

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Poor version of hasim amla only good when pressure not there. He is only good for bat on flat pitches or against West Indies and Zimbabwe.King of soft runs.
 
Funny how the haters appear so quickly. It is like they are behind the door just waiting for it.
It's not his first, nor his last failure in Test cricket. You got some unplayable balls from time to time, especially in the 4th innings of a test match. That has happened plenty of times to every batsman.
 
Mamoon said:
Babar is a just a “very good” batsman by international standards, every team has several batsmen of his caliber.

He gets so much adulation & attention in Pakistan because Pakistan is the worst & least talented batting country ever.

When you go from batsmen like Hafeez, Malik, Umar Akmal, Nasir Jamshed, Shehzad, Maqsood etc. to Babar, he is obviously going to look like Don Bradman in comparison.
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Exactly that's the problem pakistan hardly produce atg batsman ,i don't remember if they produced ever that's the major reason decent batsman like umar, babar gets hyped more, they are famous for producing atg bowlers not for Batsman.
 
Devadwal said:
There is one real king and his name is Virat Kohli .all other are fake king lol
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By the look of things you are another genius.
Babar failing in this innings has made up for the disaster years Kohli is having with the bat?

With nearly 4000 posts, you could have at least learnt to post something related to the topic of the thread.
 
There are 3-4 players like Babar in every top country, but they are not surrounded by minnow batsmen so they don’t get the opportunity to be in the limelight & given “king” status by their supporters.
 
Mamoon said:
There are 3-4 players like Babar in every top country, but they are not surrounded by minnow batsmen so they don’t get the opportunity to be in the limelight & given “king” status by their supporters.
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Strange no one is ranked 3rd in Test and 1st in ODI's.

Babar is without context the best ODI batter in the world, and also one of the top 5 test batters going in the world. Hence the best all format batter in the world.

Unfortunately for you, ICC isn't listening to you and they keep having Babar as the top ranked player in the world.
 
Mobashir said:
Strange no one is ranked 3rd in Test and 1st in ODI's.

Babar is without context the best ODI batter in the world, and also one of the top 5 test batters going in the world. Hence the best all format batter in the world.

Unfortunately for you, ICC isn't listening to you and they keep having Babar as the top ranked player in the world.
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That is because not all of them are even in the team & they have to share runs with other batsmen. Someone like Iyer who is at the same level as Babar has played very little cricket in comparison because he has so much competition.

Players like Ishan Kishan & Gill are not first choice for India.

Labuschagne can easily surpass Babar as an ODI number 3 & T20 opener but again, he has too much competition.

Joe Root would average 50+ as T20 opener playing selfish tuk tuk like Babar does.

I can go on forever. The list is never ending. Babar’s rankings are not just because he is very good but also because he has been given a lot of opportunities & leverage because of the lack of competition.

If Babar was in any other major country, he would have been played less than 50% of the matches he has played for Pakistan so far.
 
Mamoon said:
That is because not all of them are even in the team & they have to share runs with other batsmen. Someone like Iyer who is at the same level as Babar has played very little cricket in comparison because he has so much competition.

Players like Ishan Kishan & Gill are not first choice for India.

Labuschagne can easily surpass Babar as an ODI number 3 & T20 opener but again, he has too much competition.

Joe Root would average 50+ as T20 opener playing selfish tuk tuk like Babar does.

I can go on forever. The list is never ending. Babar’s rankings are not just because he is very good but also because he has been given a lot of opportunities & leverage because of the lack of competition.

If Babar was in any other major country, he would have been played less than 50% of the matches he has played for Pakistan so far.
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Again no logic in your comments. Your lack of it is something you need to worry with such a big IQ. You may have to do another test to see if it has not lessen.

Let alone those not playing. Talk about those playing. There is rotation in ODI's and T20's. But why does India's midle order batsman who play regularly, Pujara, Kohli not as good as Babar in Test cricket? Both of them averages in the 20's in this decade?
 
Another failure when the team needed him the most. Poor Bobby, wishing him the best for the next test.
 
Got cleaned up again in a back to back innings by the same bowler!

Has he ever played a match winning inning in test cricket against top teams? Even at home?
 
Mobashir said:
Again no logic in your comments. Your lack of it is something you need to worry with such a big IQ. You may have to do another test to see if it has not lessen.

Let alone those not playing. Talk about those playing. There is rotation in ODI's and T20's. But why does India's midle order batsman who play regularly, Pujara, Kohli not as good as Babar in Test cricket? Both of them averages in the 20's in this decade?
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“Decade” :91:

We are in the second year of the “decade”. You are making it sound as Babar has been doing better than them for the last 7-8 years.

Clever use of words, but these things don’t get past me. Next time when Babar gets a duck, you can state that he missed his century by 100 runs only, sounds better than saying he got out for 0.

Kohli & Pujara haven’t done well in Test cricket over the last 2 years, but Babar would do well to have 50% of the Test career Kohli has had & 75% of the Test career Pujara has had.
 
Mobashir said:
Again no logic in your comments. Your lack of it is something you need to worry with such a big IQ. You may have to do another test to see if it has not lessen.

Let alone those not playing. Talk about those playing. There is rotation in ODI's and T20's. But why does India's midle order batsman who play regularly, Pujara, Kohli not as good as Babar in Test cricket? Both of them averages in the 20's in this decade?
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Because they past their peaks and now at the end stage of their careers. When Kohli was babar's age , he had already got 14 overseas centuries in test cricket compared to the so called best in the world babar's "1" century.
 
Bobby is not ruthless enough. He actually has a very good technique and on tough wickets, he's equal to the best in the business.

Problem is, the truly great batters force the issue on easier wickets and can put bowlers under the cish for large periods of time.

Bobby has not shown that and he's already 28. Not sure, he will ever reach true greatness in Tests.
 
Mamoon said:
“Decade” :91:

We are in the second year of the “decade”. You are making it sound as Babar has been doing better than them for the last 7-8 years.

Clever use of words, but these things don’t get past me. Next time when Babar gets a duck, you can state that he missed his century by 100 runs only, sounds better than saying he got out for 0.

Kohli & Pujara haven’t done well in Test cricket over the last 2 years, but Babar would do well to have 50% of the Test career Kohli has had & 75% of the Test career Pujara has had.
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Ok, you nailed it. 2022 is the second year of the decade?
You have no credibility at all. Your understanding of numbers is the one of a 10 years old.
 
Mobashir said:
Strange no one is ranked 3rd in Test and 1st in ODI's.

Babar is without context the best ODI batter in the world, and also one of the top 5 test batters going in the world. Hence the best all format batter in the world.

Unfortunately for you, ICC isn't listening to you and they keep having Babar as the top ranked player in the world.
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I agree with Babar being #1 in ODI.
He is not even in the top 20 in T20Is.
I don’t think he is too 5 in tests. Top 10 sure. I can think of Labuschange, Root, Williamson, Smith who have been better than him. So at most 5, but then arguably Pant, Bairstow and Karunaratne also can claim to have achieved more than Babar in test cricket.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Babar Azam should learn from Pant on how to dominate other teams in home conditions. :inti
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And you should learn cricket.
Pant and Babar are completely different type of batsman. The likes of Tendulkar, Ponting, Smith, Root, Babar don't play or dominate like Pant does. They are classical test batsmen.
I am not saying Babar is in the league of those batsmen. Just giving you example that you finally may understand something.
 
Sidilicious said:
I agree with Babar being #1 in ODI.
He is not even in the top 20 in T20Is.
I don’t think he is too 5 in tests. Top 10 sure. I can think of Labuschange, Root, Williamson, Smith who have been better than him. So at most 5, but then arguably Pant, Bairstow and Karunaratne also can claim to have achieved more than Babar in test cricket.
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Fair post even if I disagree.
Smith himslef isn't in a great touch over the from the start of the decade. Root and Labu being better is fine for everyone i guess.
The rest are lesser players to me altought Bairstow has been tremendous in the Bazball period.
 
Mobashir said:
And you should learn cricket.
Pant and Babar are completely different type of batsman. The likes of Tendulkar, Ponting, Smith, Root, Babar don't play or dominate like Pant does. They are classical test batsmen.
I am not saying Babar is in the league of those batsmen. Just giving you example that you finally may understand something.
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Wrong.
The likes of Smith, Tendulkar, Ponting, Kohli dominate teams in home conditions and hardly allow them to win.
Look at Tendulkar's series vs Aus or Kohli vs Eng and Nz in 2016, or Smith anytime.

The talk is about dominating teams by scoring runs hitting centuries not hitting sixes, (an aspect in which I know no one can compare to Pant.)
 
Mamoon said:
“Decade” :91:

We are in the second year of the “decade”. You are making it sound as Babar has been doing better than them for the last 7-8 years.

Clever use of words, but these things don’t get past me. Next time when Babar gets a duck, you can state that he missed his century by 100 runs only, sounds better than saying he got out for 0.

Kohli & Pujara haven’t done well in Test cricket over the last 2 years, but Babar would do well to have 50% of the Test career Kohli has had & 75% of the Test career Pujara has had.
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I agree with your sentiments about Babar but bro 2022 is not the second year of the decade.

2020 - 1st
2021 - 2nd
2022 - 3rd
 
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