What's new

[VIDEOS] Is Shadab Khan playing as a bowler or a batsman?

stevewittry

Tape Ball Regular
Joined
Mar 23, 2007
Runs
567
Not sure whether he was playing as a bowler or a batsman. He was one of promising bowlers coming out of Champions Trophy but was clearly under bowled in this test.

Pak would have been better going with an additional specialist batsman, which could have been the difference in this test.
 
He is incredibly overrated. Average bowler, a glorified tail-ender with the bat and a complete show-off in the field. Pakistan needs to get rid of this nothing cricketer and find a proper spinner.

He is just a Saad Nasim who got lucky.
 
4th inning on turning pitch...

Did not bowl much.

I guess he is playing more like a batsman.
 
Good question. Turns out he wasn't really needed with the ball despite all the hoo-haa about the dry pitch. Misbah thought he played a master-stroke by playing mystery spinners - would have succeeded if this was cricket in the 70s.
 
Misbah clearly a fan after his T20 knocks for IU and trying to force him into the 11 at the detriment of the team
 
On a dry surface on a 4th day pitch with the ball turning and pitch getting uneven his leg spinners were gun barrel straight.

Has potential to be a decent LOI all rounder because of his surprise googly but you can’t be a test spinner and not spin your stock ball.
 
Misbah can only wish he can play the masterstroke. Clueless Misbah-ul-Haq England n dry weather??.... no need to say more
 
Can't understand making comments about selecting a second spinner on a dry, turning wicket and hardly bowling him.

Play the extra batter then, especially with two walking wickets at 3 and 5.
 
Yasir was enough. If we have batted 2nd this decision would have looked more ugly. Yasir was enough for this pitch batting needed to be solid and sacrificed the spot coz of Misbah’s decision. Yes he made the 45... not convinced
 
He is incredibly overrated. Average bowler, a glorified tail-ender with the bat and a complete show-off in the field. Pakistan needs to get rid of this nothing cricketer and find a proper spinner.

He is just a Saad Nasim who got lucky.

I agree to some extent, however he is batting one position too high and is bowling was underused and should only be used as a second spinner.

I feel he himself thinks he can reinvent himself into Steve smith. Clearly enjoys his batting more... but is no where at that level.
 
He made 45 runs in the first innings,took two wickets .I don't see anything wrong with him.He's ok ok.

Replace Shafiq with Fawad .
 
This wad azhars only mistake.


Should had employed shadab. He should had got overs when woakes cmae in.

If you added him in the team for his spin option than justify it. Bringjng him into the attack when 50 runs are needed was just stupid than.
 
It’s not like Shadab made 2, 8 hours centuries and was tired, he should of bowled more, just more cluelessness from the captain and coaching team!
 
Shahdab isn't test cricket material.. for now. Need to augment the batting unit..they ought to replace him with Fawad for the second game.
 
He didn't have a terrible game. He batted well albeit he shoudln't have thrown his wicket away. He bowled well in the first innings too with the limited chance he got. It was tough asking him to bowl when both Woakes and Buttler were set.
I think he definitely deserves more chances becuase we need a decent allrounder in the side. He's just got to work hard. Even though we lost today, I feel that a lot of these younger players like Shadab, Shaheen and Naseem will have learnt a lot on what they need to do next time to keep their nerve in tight games like this
 
I agree to some extent, however he is batting one position too high and is bowling was underused and should only be used as a second spinner.

I feel he himself thinks he can reinvent himself into Steve smith. Clearly enjoys his batting more... but is no where at that level.

The issue is that Shadab doesn’t merit a place in the team because of his stronger suit, and I think even he doesn’t know what his stronger suit is.

Look at the all-rounders in other sides. Stokes and Woakes get into the England side for their batting and bowling alone; Ashwin and Jadeja merit a place in the Indian side purely on their bowling.

Shadab is not good enough with either bat and ball, and that is why he should not be selected.

He needs to go back to FC cricket and focus on either becoming a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder.
 
He didn't have a terrible game. He batted well albeit he shoudln't have thrown his wicket away. He bowled well in the first innings too with the limited chance he got. It was tough asking him to bowl when both Woakes and Buttler were set.
I think he definitely deserves more chances becuase we need a decent allrounder in the side. He's just got to work hard. Even though we lost today, I feel that a lot of these younger players like Shadab, Shaheen and Naseem will have learnt a lot on what they need to do next time to keep their nerve in tight games like this

He can’t spin a leg spinner and he is a leg spinner. Has a killer googly though. Reminds me of Piyush Chawla. Chawla has made a career out of being a IPL specialist who gets decent returns. This is a reason why he never made it in tests. Technically far superior bat to Shadab as well.

No disrespect to Shadab, he is a good utility player. Can play cameos, can keep things tight and a brilliant fielder. Those qualities translate to LOI’s but for tests you need to be a specialist in what you do.
 
Shadab and Imad make very good combo in OD , not in test. In Test you need specialists .
 
If hes hardly going to bowl why is he playing

Youve got a guy avging 50plus in fc cricket sat on the bench For what?
 
He's a bit and pieces cricket, and that's the role he's playing in. Contribute 20-30 runs, pick up the odd wicket.

Its exactly NOT how to select a Test team, but unfortunately this is the direction Misbah choose.
Pak would be better off with Imad, better batsmen and more variety in the bowling attack.
 
.Reminds me of Piyush Chawla. Chawla has made a career out of being a IPL specialist who gets decent returns. This is a reason why he never made it in tests. Technically far superior bat to Shadab as well.
How Chawla superior bat to Shadab? Care to explain..
 
How Chawla superior bat to Shadab? Care to explain..

Chawla has 6 FC 100’s and he does play for a strong side in domestics.

Shadab may have the talent or be better than Chawla in “talent”, I am talking about tangible factors.

I didn’t say Chawla was better than Shadab, just categorizing Shadab as a LOI utility player.
 
He can’t spin a leg spinner and he is a leg spinner. Has a killer googly though. Reminds me of Piyush Chawla. Chawla has made a career out of being a IPL specialist who gets decent returns. This is a reason why he never made it in tests. Technically far superior bat to Shadab as well.

No disrespect to Shadab, he is a good utility player. Can play cameos, can keep things tight and a brilliant fielder. Those qualities translate to LOI’s but for tests you need to be a specialist in what you do.

He's not going to rip sides apart yet and I'm not sure if he'll ever be able to do that. But that utility is needed in this side. Yasir played well this match but recently he hasn't looked very threatening and so we needed Shadab just in case he had poor game. I agree Shadab isn't ready to play as a sole spinner and he definitely has to work on his leg break. We have to back him for now until he starts struggling in both facets. As long as he scores runs, he is still adding value to this side
 
He is for the "All-rounder" role - someone who can win a Test either with bat or ball, on his day like Sobers, Benaud, Shakib, Vinnu Mankad...........
 
Senseless selection despite scoring 45 runs, he didn’t deserve to play ahead of a proper batsman if he had to bowl only 11 overs in two innings. Groom Haider Ali if you didn’t want Imam or Fawad Alam.
 
The issue is that Shadab doesn’t merit a place in the team because of his stronger suit, and I think even he doesn’t know what his stronger suit is.

Look at the all-rounders in other sides. Stokes and Woakes get into the England side for their batting and bowling alone; Ashwin and Jadeja merit a place in the Indian side purely on their bowling.

Shadab is not good enough with either bat and ball, and that is why he should not be selected.

He needs to go back to FC cricket and focus on either becoming a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder.

On what basis is Bess being picked? Would you pick Bess as a bowler? Or a batsman?

This Pakistani habit of discarding players to the rubbish pile after 3-4 test matches is exhausting. We don't deserve players like Steve Smith because we expect new comers to pop in and win matches instantly. There is no time given to learn and grow.
 
Shadab can most definitely spin his leg break. He spins the ball more than Yasir Shah when he is on song. He lacks control, confidence and experience and that's something he can develop.
 
The issue is that Shadab doesn’t merit a place in the team because of his stronger suit, and I think even he doesn’t know what his stronger suit is.

Look at the all-rounders in other sides. Stokes and Woakes get into the England side for their batting and bowling alone; Ashwin and Jadeja merit a place in the Indian side purely on their bowling.

Shadab is not good enough with either bat and ball, and that is why he should not be selected.

He needs to go back to FC cricket and focus on either becoming a batting all-rounder or a bowling all-rounder.

The issue is there is noone in the circuit to replace him.

Personally if I was Misbah/management, I'd persist with him because I do feel with persistent test match exposure he can develop into a decent batting all rounder. I'd go as far as saying that in ODI he should bat number 4/5. He is young, fit, athletic, which is extremely rare to find in pakistan. What he and all the younger players need is to fit into a system where they are supported by the seniors. Azhar and Asad came into a side with Misbah and Younis who were expected to score. It allowed them to play freely without the pressure of being the only ones to score. I know I'm going off a tangent here, but the simple truth is, shadab would be a great all rounder if he had decent batsmen/spinners around him. Then a time will come when he would be expected to guide the younger lot.
 
On what basis is Bess being picked? Would you pick Bess as a bowler? Or a batsman?

This Pakistani habit of discarding players to the rubbish pile after 3-4 test matches is exhausting. We don't deserve players like Steve Smith because we expect new comers to pop in and win matches instantly. There is no time given to learn and grow.

And Bess is a problem for England and he will not last long.

Steve Smith was discarded by Australia for 2-3 years and he worked on his game in Shield cricket.

Shadab needs to back to FC and work on his batting or bowling. Right now, he has no business playing in our Test side.
 
And Bess is a problem for England and he will not last long.

Steve Smith was discarded by Australia for 2-3 years and he worked on his game in Shield cricket.

Shadab needs to back to FC and work on his batting or bowling. Right now, he has no business playing in our Test side.


Bess is definitely average - but it's undeniable that he's improved 200% since his debut when he was serving up floaty full tosses. Being in the side is the reason he has grown so much.

I agree, Shadab would definitely benefit from more FC cricket. It's inexplicable that he hasn't played more FC cricket.

At the same time, I don't want to see Iftikhar, or a 38 year old Fawad Alam playing in his place. If we're going to play someone average, at least play someone who has potential and has shown the capacity to improve.
 
Last edited:
He wasn't the worst performer but you are not going to win too msny Tests in England, Australia, South Africa with a spin bowling all rounder at number 7.
 
I thought this bloke was an all rounder, he barely had a bowl :yk2
 
And Bess is a problem for England and he will not last long.

Steve Smith was discarded by Australia for 2-3 years and he worked on his game in Shield cricket.

Shadab needs to back to FC and work on his batting or bowling. Right now, he has no business playing in our Test side.

You're definitely right that Shadab needs more FC. How else is he supposed to improve?

He himself and the team management need to make sure he knows his role and only then can he improve and add more value to the team. He does have time on his hand and although the PSL isn't the best barometer, we have seen that he can put in the hard yards. Hopefully he gets stronger and learns from this experience
 
I find Shadab Khan in the same league as Hardik Pandya. Great utility players in Limited overs, but in tests, I highly doubt their abilities as either bowler or batsman. Both India and Pakistan would be better off in picking specialist batsmen and bowlers and not pick these bits and pieces allrounders.

Having said that, I think Shadab batted well in the first innings.
 
He played an okay innings on Day 2, but not something anybody else could not have done.

His bowling is pathetic.

I do not understand why they are playing him on the basis of PSL, basically the story of Shadab’s career so far.

He is a golden boy and should earn Test match selection based on First-Class cricket.
 
He played an okay innings on Day 2, but not something anybody else could not have done.

His bowling is pathetic.

I do not understand why they are playing him on the basis of PSL, basically the story of Shadab’s career so far.

He is a golden boy and should earn Test match selection based on First-Class cricket.

This

I agree with [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], either you are batting or bowling AR in test team. If you badly wanted a spinner who could bat a bit, than there was no better option than Zafar
Gohar. If you wanted a batsman who could bowl 10 overs a test match, even Fawad, Shan Masood and Saud Shakeel can give you those 10 overs

There is no justification for picking him in the test team, no FC record to speak of. He doesn’t himself know that he is a batsman or bowler
 
His inclusion didn’t make any sense. If you’re not going to give him time to bowl, then include a batsman in the team instead.
 
Can't understand making comments about selecting a second spinner on a dry, turning wicket and hardly bowling him.

Play the extra batter then, especially with two walking wickets at 3 and 5.

This. For 10 days we kept talking about 2 spinners. Then hardly bowled himtoday.
 
I don't know why people are bashing Shadab. He has done okay with both bat and ball. It's not his fault that Azhar didn't make use of him. Whenever given the chance he has done well.

That Pak is short of batsmen thanks to Azhar, Asad is a totally different story all together. I could understand the decision for opting for a specialist bat, but you can't blame Shadab for Pak's defeat. Shadab did well for his standards.
 
Chawla has 6 FC 100’s and he does play for a strong side in domestics.

Shadab may have the talent or be better than Chawla in “talent”, I am talking about tangible factors.

I didn’t say Chawla was better than Shadab, just categorizing Shadab as a LOI utility player.

Jadaja had 3 triple hundreds in domestic or Praveen Kumar used to open for UP that doesn't mean they are decentish batsmen coz they didn't do well in that dept for India..
 
The lad has barely played first-class cricket and all of a sudden some believe he's good enough for Test cricket.

This theory of guys doing well in PSL meaning they're good enough for Tests is ridiculous.

Even in today's presser Azhar Ali said Shadab was picked for the 1st Test as he was batting well at the PSL.
 
He did more in this match then azhar did even though that isn’t hard
 
Last edited:
I don't know why people are bashing Shadab. He has done okay with both bat and ball. It's not his fault that Azhar didn't make use of him. Whenever given the chance he has done well.

That Pak is short of batsmen thanks to Azhar, Asad is a totally different story all together. I could understand the decision for opting for a specialist bat, but you can't blame Shadab for Pak's defeat. Shadab did well for his standards.
Sensible post at last.
 
I find it hilarious how his fan do banghra when he scores 20/30 runs. Junaids will talk about that 45 forever. I mean who actually celebrates a batter getting 45? :))) :)))
 
His batting is improving but sadly his bowling is going southward very quickly. The most worrying aspect is the loss of the leg spinner, he cannot get the ball of the straight, I swear I could leg spin the ball more than he can at the moment. Shadab has a lot to offer as a Lower order AR, but the basics of a sharply spun leg break is badly missing.
 
Shadab need to know what his role is becouse at the moment am not sure Pakistan know what his role is for that I dont think he should be in the team need to replace him with a batter imaam or fawad
 
It was strange to see Shadab bowling so few overs. He was supposed to be a full-time bowler.
 
Shadab need to know what his role is becouse at the moment am not sure Pakistan know what his role is for that I dont think he should be in the team need to replace him with a batter imaam or fawad

He was used as if he was a part timer with the ball, maybe Azhar did not trust him. He showed some promise with the bat in the first innings, but his bowling is not good enough. He doesn't excel in either facet, although his fielding and fitness is probably the best in the team. So, he should be replaced for a batsman.
 
Seems like the move to play Shadab wasn't well thought out of at all. Which is shocking considering this was the biggest decision going in to the Test
 
He is turning into a bits and pieces cricketer like Shoaib Malik.

Shoaib Malik is a full-time batsman who can bowl a bit.

Shadab is totally bits and pieces. However, I believe Pakistan haven't been using him properly.
 
Shadab chose his own path, unfortunately wrong one.

I don't think there has been many "bits & pieces" cricketer with a long Test career (Illingworth may be, but he was a brilliant Captain and a much better bowler than his stats - often wasn't required to bowl at all on English wickets but he has over 2000 FC wickets at an average of 20). Bits and pieces cricketers are for bits of Test career - at their prime may be they'll play for many years but sporadically few Tests here & there, for a career of may be 20-25 Tests. There has been many in England - Mark Elham, Irani, Peter Willy.

For a long term career, I think a player has only one way to be a long term Test quality all-rounder - pick one of the two main skills as prime, build on it strong enough to make the starting XI, then improve the other skill. Every successful all-rounder in Test cricket has followed that path - some ended as batting great, some as bowling great while few were like Tony Greig - very good at one skill but good with other one as well.

Shadab had the chance to become good enough leggi to replace Yasir or even force him out of playing XI, then his batting would have been a real bonus. Unfortunately, he went to the route where his bits and pieces skill sells better - I'll be surprised if he last this full decade only on playing merit.
 
The skipper threw him under the bus even though:

1. He scored more runs than 3 of the 5 specialist batsmen.

2. He took 2 wickets in 11 overs. He had a strike rate of a wicket every 34.5 deliveries!

3. It was his aggressive partnership with Shan Masood which seized control of the match.

Disgusting behaviour by Azhar Ali, who should be ashamed of himself. What a pathetic, inadequate little man he is. And he and his equally useless veteran mates have been briefing against Shadab for 18 months.
 
Last edited:
Bowler or batsman?

Neither. He is the Official Scapegoat.

Shadab Khan is a victim of workplace abuse by older, failing 30-something players who endlessly brief the media against him.

Look at his fitness, his fielding and his batting. Then compare with Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz and the man they are trying to protect, their buddy Yasir Shah.

It’s disgusting. He was the second best Pakistan performer in the First Test after Shan Masood.
 
Bowler or batsman?

Neither. He is the Official Scapegoat.

Shadab Khan is a victim of workplace abuse by older, failing 30-something players who endlessly brief the media against him.

Look at his fitness, his fielding and his batting. Then compare with Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz and the man they are trying to protect, their buddy Yasir Shah.

It’s disgusting. He was the second best Pakistan performer in the First Test after Shan Masood.

please explain how is his performance better than yasir's.
 
Bowler or batsman?

Neither. He is the Official Scapegoat.

Shadab Khan is a victim of workplace abuse by older, failing 30-something players who endlessly brief the media against him.

Look at his fitness, his fielding and his batting. Then compare with Azhar, Shafiq, Sarfraz and the man they are trying to protect, their buddy Yasir Shah.

It’s disgusting. He was the second best Pakistan performer in the First Test after Shan Masood.

Shadab is a victim of the fact that he has no idea what type of cricketer he actually is. He doesn’t know if he is a batsman who can bowl leg spin or a leg spinner who can bat.

Hence, at this point, he is below average in both batting and leg spin.

The way forward for Shadab is very simple. First, he needs to identify his strong suit. Second, he needs to go back to FC cricket and work on that strong suit.

At present, Shadab does not get into the team either as a batsman or a bowler, and the ‘sum of the parts’ concept does not work in Test cricket and we saw that in the first Test.

A specialist batsman could have scored more than his 60 runs over two innings and won Pakistan the match, and a special spinner could have helped Pakistan defend the total in the fourth innings.
 
He is just like Hardik Pandya. Overhyped and inconsistent player. There are real allrounders like Jason Holder, Shakib and Stokes and then there are these pretenders who perform once in 5 matches and keep their position in the team intact. :inti
 
please explain how is his performance better than yasir's.
Yasir Shah took 8 wickets in 48 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 36 balls.

He scored 5 and 33.

Shadab Khan took 2 wickets in 11 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 34 balls.

He scored 45 and 15. And his 45 gave control of the match to Pakistan when they were struggling badly at 176-5 until Shadab played the senior role in a century partnership with Shan Masood.

I repeat, Shadab was Pakistan’s second best performer at Old Trafford.
 
He is better batsman than Shafiq. Just need to work with Younis.
 
Shadab is a victim of the fact that he has no idea what type of cricketer he actually is. He doesn’t know if he is a batsman who can bowl leg spin or a leg spinner who can bat.

Hence, at this point, he is below average in both batting and leg spin.

The way forward for Shadab is very simple. First, he needs to identify his strong suit. Second, he needs to go back to FC cricket and work on that strong suit.

At present, Shadab does not get into the team either as a batsman or a bowler, and the ‘sum of the parts’ concept does not work in Test cricket and we saw that in the first Test.

A specialist batsman could have scored more than his 60 runs over two innings and won Pakistan the match, and a special spinner could have helped Pakistan defend the total in the fourth innings.

Absolute drivel.

Shadab has played the most recent 5 of his 6 Tests in the British Isles and South Africa.

He has made more runs than both Azhar Ali or Asad Shafiq in those matches.

He has a superior bowling average to Yasir Shah in both the British Isles and South Africa.

He performs. Azhar and Shafiq and Yasir do not.

I’m sick of people spouting this arrant nonsense, demanding batting standards of Shadab that they don’t demand of Azhar Ali or Asad Shafiq. And demanding bowling standards of him that they don’t hold Yasir Shah to.

Why does he have to go back to perform at home but not these junk serial failure seniors?
 
Last edited:
Yasir Shah took 8 wickets in 48 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 36 balls.

He scored 5 and 33.

Shadab Khan took 2 wickets in 11 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 34 balls.

He scored 45 and 15. And his 45 gave control of the match to Pakistan when they were struggling badly at 176-5 until Shadab played the senior role in a century partnership with Shan Masood.

I repeat, Shadab was Pakistan’s second best performer at Old Trafford.

Boss, you are losing my respect with this sort of analysis. You know, what’s men’s biggest adversary - ego? Your vaunted ego was shattered mercilessly by Yasir and that has brought you to this desperation - I can only feel sorry for you.
 
Shoaib Malik is a full-time batsman who can bowl a bit.

Shadab is totally bits and pieces. However, I believe Pakistan haven't been using him properly.

Your right he is a full time batsmen. Originally he came as a spinner who developed his batting. It seems Shadab is following that path.
 
Yasir Shah took 8 wickets in 48 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 36 balls.

He scored 5 and 33.

Shadab Khan took 2 wickets in 11 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 34 balls.

He scored 45 and 15. And his 45 gave control of the match to Pakistan when they were struggling badly at 176-5 until Shadab played the senior role in a century partnership with Shan Masood.

I repeat, Shadab was Pakistan’s second best performer at Old Trafford.

Were we watching the same game? In which world did Shadab bowled better than Yasir? There should be a limit to bias views man :))

Yasir Shah bowled his heart out and was easily the best bowler across both teams. Without him, Pak would have lost the game much before. It was quiet clear Shadab lacks control as a leg spinner and Yasir is atleast 5 times the superior bowler. Also, Shah is not totally inept with the bat either.
 
Last edited:
Were we watching the same game? In which world did Shadab bowled better than Yasir? There should be a limit to bias views man :))

Yasir Shah bowled his heart out and was easily the best bowler across both teams. Without him, Pak would have lost the game much before. It was quiet clear Shadab lacks control as a leg spinner and Yasir is atleast 5 times the superior bowler. Also, Shah is not totally inept with the bat either.
Apparently we were not watching the same game.

The one I was watching was already lost at 176-5 with only the tail to come after Shadab. And he took control from the England bowlers and turned the game upside down.

Shadab hardly got a bowl. But he took wickets as regularly as Yasir Shah, who bowled well but has clearly lost his drift and his variety.
 
Shadab is a bowler, who should aim to make number 8 his position. Unfortunately, his leg spinner has totally disappeared, I turn my leg spinner more than him from the straight and that is a bad sign. His accuracy is also poor at the moment. He needs to get back to basics and work on the fiercely spun leg break.
 
Apparently we were not watching the same game.

The one I was watching was already lost at 176-5 with only the tail to come after Shadab. And he took control from the England bowlers and turned the game upside down.

Shadab hardly got a bowl. But he took wickets as regularly as Yasir Shah, who bowled well but has clearly lost his drift and his variety.

Shadab Khan the leg spinner cannot bowl a leg spinner but some how Yasir Shah who got 9 wickets in the game and was the only bowler who kept Pakistan in the game is fading away and losing his drift and variety is the problem ?

This is some genius logic way ahead of for a common man like me I guess.
 
Shadab is not good enough as a batsman and his bowling is awful but if they are thinking of replacing him with that fawad hack Alam then I would play him everyday and twice on Sunday.
 
Yasir Shah took 8 wickets in 48 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 36 balls.

He scored 5 and 33.

Shadab Khan took 2 wickets in 11 overs - a strike rate of 1 wicket per 34 balls.

He scored 45 and 15. And his 45 gave control of the match to Pakistan when they were struggling badly at 176-5 until Shadab played the senior role in a century partnership with Shan Masood.

I repeat, Shadab was Pakistan’s second best performer at Old Trafford.

yasir shah scored 38 of 47 balls while shadab scored 60 of 97 balls. yasir batted with a much better strike rate than shadab, his total runs were less because coming lower down the order and having less time..
 
You know you're a misfit in the team when fans ask this question.
 
Back
Top