[VIDEOS] Jammu and Kashmir pacer Umran Malik

[Rana]

This guy should be in the PSL

IPL isn’t a league for elite pace bowlers

 

[MenInG]

This guy should be in the PSL

IPL isn’t a league for elite pace bowlers

Can I ask to stop making this an India Pakistan thing and just appreciate the talent.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This guy should be in the PSL

IPL isn’t a league for elite pace bowlers

Sir,

This thread is about IPL. Afaik except pakistani
fast bowlers, rest all "elites" have or are playing the IPL.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Btw there is a IPL poll, asking fans if Umran can clock 155ks.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Last genuine quick bowler from India was Varun Aaron. Where is he now?

When it comes to Indian express fast bowlers I always keep my expectations low. Most of these guys are hyped to the moon by our fans. Half of them don't even make it to national side whereas the other half transform themselves into trundlers. Guys like Avesh Khan, Khaleel, Nagarkotti, Mavi were hyped here. I actually thought Khaleel would be a good bowler but he turned out to be another trundle from our MRF Pace Factory.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sir,

This thread is about IPL. Afaik except pakistani
fast bowlers, rest all "elites" have or are playing the IPL.

You are wrong once again. This thread is about Umran Malik not IPL. Read properly.

 

[Ab Fan]

Get him in Indian team ASAP. He lacks control at the moment but with that pace, slight more control and he will create havoc.

 

[Rana]

It’s funny how Kohli asked him to stay back in Dubai before the World Cup but guys like Prasidh Krishna have debuted for India and are billed as express pace bowlers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It’s funny how Kohli asked him to stay back in Dubai before the World Cup but guys like Prasidh Krishna have debuted for India and are billed as express pace bowlers.

No one called prasidh express. He is around
140-145ks and highest of around 148-149.

He has done well with the limited opportunities he got.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/player/prasidh-krishna-917159/bowling-batting-stats

 

[gazza619]

Guys lets just plz appreciate Umran Malik. The chap is a serious talent.

Lets not kick off another India v Pakistan thread. Musa is garbage and Hasnain is banned!

 

[redmaverik84]

Umran was brilliant last night, these days I login to IPL only when there are exciting talent like him playing. There is another new quickie, Kuldeep Sen, bowls around the 145-147k mark, not as quick as Umran but exciting enough. The yorker to get Shreyas by Umran was pure thrill, not just the ball but the entire setup with the barrage of short balls preceding it.

 

[TheSultan]

I will be thankful to him and god if he turns out to be even half the bowler that Waqar was …! Very excited for him

This is a comparison with late Waqar and not early waqar.

This kid is not as side on as young waqar. Young Waqar was a different beast.

The kid has a Decent action, let’s see how he develops.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Umran was brilliant last night, these days I login to IPL only when there are exciting talent like him playing. There is another new quickie, Kuldeep Sen, bowls around the 145-147k mark, not as quick as Umran but exciting enough. The yorker to get Shreyas by Umran was pure thrill, not just the ball but the entire setup with the barrage of short balls preceding it.

Yes Kuldeep is a bit more mature, as he has played a season of FC. Umran hasn't. Hopefully Umran matures well.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

No we don’t.

Only Rauf is quicker or as quick as Umran.

-Hasnain has been banned
-Shaheen can only deliver one over of 147-153 out of 4 in a T20
-Wasim JR is 145 max
-Naseem is 147-148 max
-Dahani is 145 max

We don’t actually have an express pacer unless Rauf goes full blow and tries to hit 155

Have you even watched Umran Malik bowl?

He bowls one or two deliveries at 150 per match. Most of his deliveries are under 150 in the 145-147 range.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Prasidh , Bumrah ,Saini ,Shami all have bowled 144-145 multiple times this IPL,Saini played one match this season and still bowled almost 150 , bowling deliberately slower ones in t20s doesn't mean they are 130 to low 140s bowlers
Sen is another one who can crank it to 150+

Bowling one or two balls at 150 is not the same as consistently hitting a certain pace.

And I have seen Prasidh Krishna, Shami, Bumrah and Saini bowl in other formats too. Saini may be the fastest of them all but these are their average pace.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

So it means Hasnain is not a bowler but a chucker. Let him come back and we will see.

Which world do you live in, where Indian bowlers are always 5-8 ks slower than they actually bowl?

Where have you seen Musa Naseem hit 95mph? I am sure if they did, there would be some post regarding that on PP?

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but I have seen these guys bowl in multiple formats. These are their average paces.

I've seen him hit 150 more than once in PSL. As for Musa, might have been the U-19 WC.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Haris is express, rest are not.

In terms of speed, Umran is right up there with Lockie and just behind Nortje.

You need to come out of your alternate reality.

They are.

Umran is not an international cricketer therefore he cannot be compared to the others. I'm sure there are plenty of street-level or amateur cricketers in the world who can clock past 150. But they are not international cricketers who play multiple formats and have to bowl at that pace consistently.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Naseem, Musa, Haris are all express for today's standards. Haris Rauf, Nortje and Lockie Ferguson are quite literally the fastest bowlers in the world today. Which alternate reality are you living in?

Musa is a joke. Just watched a few PSL videos of Musa after reading your comment and he barely touched 140. Mostly bowled in 130s.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but I have seen these guys bowl in multiple formats. These are their average paces.

I've seen him hit 150 more than once in PSL. As for Musa, might have been the U-19 WC.

Who was the fastest bowler at that U19 WC?

If they had hit 150ks in PSL, it would be on the PP thread. No?

The Indian bowlers you mentioned are easily 5 to 8k more in their speeds.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Been there, done that. I have seen the same debate regarding countless other indian fast bowlers here. Truth is 90% of them disappoint when they start playing for India. The same guys who were hyping them are once again hyping Umran Malik here. Let the guy play some matches before asking him to be included in Indian team lol.

 

[topspin]

Who was the fastest bowler at that U19 WC?

If they had hit 150ks in PSL, it would be on the PP thread. No?

The Indian bowlers you mentioned are easily 5 to 8k more in their speeds.

I call tell you now this is categorically false and even if it was true it's irrelevant when you concede 152 runs without taking a wicket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I call tell you now this is categorically false and even if it was true it's irrelevant when you concede 152 runs without taking a wicket.

Whats irrelevant is losing one match after winning since 1992.

 

[Rana]

Who was the fastest bowler at that U19 WC?

If they had hit 150ks in PSL, it would be on the PP thread. No?

The Indian bowlers you mentioned are easily 5 to 8k more in their speeds.

Musa and Shaheen were hitting 150kmh on a dodgy speed gun in the World Cup. I remember Mavi and Nagarkoti also hitting 150 in the same game. They were hardly 140-143 when they played regularly a season or two ago for KKR.

I think Musa at most is a 147 bowler

 

[cricketjoshila]

Musa and Shaheen were hitting 150kmh on a dodgy speed gun in the World Cup. I remember Mavi and Nagarkoti also hitting 150 in the same game. They were hardly 140-143 when they played regularly a season or two ago for KKR.

I think Musa at most is a 147 bowler

Nagarkoti hit close to 150 and so did Mavi in IPL just after the 2018 WC.

Then they missed 2 seasons due to injury.

Nagarkoti has played 1 match this season and clocked 146ks.

Mavi has not been bowling quick this season.

 

[volcyz]

U19 speedguns were a joke

 

[jeetu]

Instead of 150 km/hr , I go by this miles scale

Express bowlers can clock 95-99 miles per hour which is 152.88+ km/hr on irregular basis.
with pretty all non slower balls overs 145 km/hrs
Barring exceptions like Akhtar , Lee who were express for majority of their career , most bowlers are express for short duration.

Fast bowlers can clock 90-94 miles per hour which is 144.81+ km/hr on regular basis.

Fast Medium bowlers can clock 85-89 miles per hour which is 136.79+ km/hr on regular basis.

Medium Fast bowler can 80-84 miles per hour hour which is 128.74+ km/hr on regular basis

Below that are the bowlers bowling at Medium pace.

 

[Rana]

U19 speedguns were a joke

Yeah they were purposely rigged to make the competition look better than it was in that world cup

Shaheen debuted not too long after for Pakistan and he was struggling to reach 140

 

[MenInG]

Umran Malik has been the talk of Indian Premier League (2022) with his searing pace, clocking over 150 kmph and with having registered all the top five fastest deliveries this season. He had also become the cynosure during Sunrisers Hyderabad's match against Kolkata Knight Riders after he clever set up in the dismissal of KKR captain Shreyas Iyer. And ahead of the match against Punjab Kings, India legend Irfan Pathan recalled when he first saw the youngster at the Jammu and Kashmir team camp.

Speaking on Star Sports ahead of the PBKS game, Irfan revealed that Umran reminded him of Pakistan pace great Waqar Younis.

“The first time I saw him bowl was when I was playing for Jammu and Kashmir and I was the mentor. And watching him bowl reminded me of the great Waqar Younis,” he said.

Malik was part of the Jammu and Kashmir cricket team where Irfan was the player and mentor and was roped in by SRH in 2021 as replacement for T Natarajan, who was suffering from Covid-19. The then 21-year-old had only played two First-Class games, one T20 and one List A game for his state, but had taken IPL by storm with his pace with leaving even Virat Kohli and former India head coach Ravi Shastri immensely impressed.

"Umran is fantastic. It (his performances) is no reflection of me at all. It's all him at the moment. He has got amazing skills, he is showing everybody, bowling 150 kph. I am kind of living through him, wishing I could do it. But it's all him at the moment. He is certainly somebody whom we should keep an eye on for the future," Legendary South African fast bowler Dale Steyn, who is the SRH bowling coach, said after the KKR game.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...t-praise-for-umran-malik-101650187575645.html

 

[cricketjoshila]

U19 speedguns were a joke

No they weren't. Mavi and Nagarkoti player in the IPL 3-4 months later and were clocking similar speeds.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah they were purposely rigged to make the competition look better than it was in that world cup

Shaheen debuted not too long after for Pakistan and he was struggling to reach 140

You are accusing ICC of rigging?

 

[Wahid1234]

All the haters on here can keep quiet now as this lad is making you eat your words. Where are all the haters now are you still going to say he’s crap your just some jealous haters period. I’m a Pakistani fan and just appreciate super raw talent.

I told everyone that’s Umran is a very special bowler and finally he is coming off age. He can easily become the best bowler in the world absolute surreal seam and bowl control.

This lad has got everything seam position, swing, action, devastating pace.. this guy if looked after has potential to become the best bowler in the world you heard it here first.

Very quick learner and is already knocking on the selection door. Pace is frightening 150+ clicks with the fantastic bowl control already. Lol at people who were comparing him to Sami hang your heads in shame because this guys is the real deal.

Look forward to bumrah and Umran opening soon what a combo and sight that would be.

 

[MenInG]

Umran Malik was the pick of the bowlers for SunRisers Hyderabad as he returned with figures of 4-28 in the win against Punjab

 

[Saj]

9 wickets in 6 matches so far at the IPL.

Economy rate on the high side though - 9.13

 

[MenInG]

Umran Malik was the pick of the bowlers for SunRisers Hyderabad as he returned with figures of 4-28 in the win against Punjab

Amazing Talent.

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[Wahid1234]

Amazing Talent.

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Extraordinary talent pace like fire going to be a star of world cricket

 

[MenInG]

Extraordinary talent pace like fire �� going to be a star of world cricket

Although quality of batting a little suspect.

 

[dravidthewall]

Very impressed with this lad. defenetely future of Indian cricket.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Who was the fastest bowler at that U19 WC?

If they had hit 150ks in PSL, it would be on the PP thread. No?

The Indian bowlers you mentioned are easily 5 to 8k more in their speeds.

If they had hit 150ks in PSL, it would be on the PP thread. No?

Not necessarily. Posters on PP are not designated to keep an eye on the speed gun. They could have easily missed it.

Who was the fastest bowler at that U19 WC?

It was Kamlesh Nagarkoti, right? Yet another injury-prone Indian fast-bowler whose pace dropped significantly once he started playing professional cricket.

 

[TheSultan]

I think the kid is good. Watched him properly for the first time. Definitely hurrying the batsman although the speed gun wasn’t going crazy 142-148. Good speeds but seemed quicker.

It could also be that the rest of his team’s attack is very pedestrian so makes him look quicker.

Like his energy, hope he does well in his international career. Maybe relocate to paks, we’ll find you a passport

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Alot of Indian fans probably think I'm being bitter here by telling them to temper their expectations about Umran. But that is simply not the case. I hope he turns out to be a proper fast-bowler that can bowl at express pace consistently.

But right now, its simply intellectually dishonest to build him up as something he is not. The other day Williamson literally had all 5 fielders behind the square when he was bowling which just goes to show what a spray gun he is who cannot control his line and length for the most part. Today he came in and wiped off the tail-enders with raw pace in his final over after going at 9+ in the first 3.

I can understand Indian fans being excited because they have never seen an Indian fast-bowler bowl this fast before. But as a Pakistani fan who has seen guys like Mohammad Sami and Wahab Riaz come and go, I assure you that being quick does not come with the guarantee of actually being good.

 

[ufcfan]

If they had hit 150ks in PSL, it would be on the PP thread. No?

Not necessarily. Posters on PP are not designated to keep an eye on the speed gun. They could have easily missed it.

Who was the fastest bowler at that U19 WC?

It was Kamlesh Nagarkoti, right? Yet another injury-prone Indian fast-bowler whose pace dropped significantly once he started playing professional cricket.

Not at all,Nagarkoti after returning from injury (almost 2 years ) bowled pretty sharp
Even in this IPL bowled consistently quick reaching 146+,that isn't significantly slower
The more he plays the better and faster he gets

 

[ufcfan]

Bowling one or two balls at 150 is not the same as consistently hitting a certain pace.

And I have seen Prasidh Krishna, Shami, Bumrah and Saini bowl in other formats too. Saini may be the fastest of them all but these are their average pace.

Lol Bumrah bowls entire spells in 140s whn he needs to , remember oval test 2021 ,even Warnie was in awe,it was match changing devastating spell from him,so he doesn't bowls 1 or 2 above 140/145
Prasidh was bowling a liitle slow for sometime still was clocking 140+ consistently,now is again picking pace
Shami has consistently bowled in excess of 142 this IPL,so where did you get this "1-2" delivery thing from?
No one hits 150+ consistently even in t20s, absolutely not if you are not Shoaib or Lee

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Not at all,Nagarkoti after returning from injury (almost 2 years ) bowled pretty sharp
Even in this IPL bowled consistently quick reaching 146+,that isn't significantly slower
The more he plays the better and faster he gets

Yeah I'm gonna call B.S on that. I actually saw the match you are talking about. The second match of this year's IPL that he played against Mumbai Indians. He was bowling at 140-142, nowhere near 146+ as you are claiming. In the U-19 WC IIRC he was even hitting 150.

And no, there is no guarantee that he will get better and bowl faster if he plays more. If anything, he will have his work cut out for him based on his height and physique. And being so injury-prone at such a young age is not a good omen either.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Not at all,Nagarkoti after returning from injury (almost 2 years ) bowled pretty sharp
Even in this IPL bowled consistently quick reaching 146+,that isn't significantly slower
The more he plays the better and faster he gets

At the time, he (Nagarkoti) and all the other Indian pacers that played a big part in India's World Cup win were hyped to the moon: Nagarkoti, Mavi, Porel, Arshdeep. Compare them today with someone like Shaheen, who played in the same World Cup. There is literally no comparison to be even made.

This is why Indian fans should temper their expectations about emerging fast-bowlers, just as Pakistani fans should temper their expectations about emerging batters.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Although quality of batting a little suspect.

If possible watch his third over of this match. He was bowling to Livingston.

He went for 10 runs, 6 and 4.

But the rest 4 balls, Livingston missed all 4. Yorkers and bouncers and he was trying to hit.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If they had hit 150ks in PSL, it would be on the PP thread. No?

Not necessarily. Posters on PP are not designated to keep an eye on the speed gun. They could have easily missed it.

Who was the fastest bowler at that U19 WC?

It was Kamlesh Nagarkoti, right? Yet another injury-prone Indian fast-bowler whose pace dropped significantly once he started playing professional cricket.

There are PP threads to track speed of bowlers during every PSL. Check them. If they bowled the speeds you said, it would be there.

Dropped pace? He played one match this IPL and was clocked at 146ks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Alot of Indian fans probably think I'm being bitter here by telling them to temper their expectations about Umran. But that is simply not the case. I hope he turns out to be a proper fast-bowler that can bowl at express pace consistently.

But right now, its simply intellectually dishonest to build him up as something he is not. The other day Williamson literally had all 5 fielders behind the square when he was bowling which just goes to show what a spray gun he is who cannot control his line and length for the most part. Today he came in and wiped off the tail-enders with raw pace in his final over after going at 9+ in the first 3.

I can understand Indian fans being excited because they have never seen an Indian fast-bowler bowl this fast before. But as a Pakistani fan who has seen guys like Mohammad Sami and Wahab Riaz come and go, I assure you that being quick does not come with the guarantee of actually being good.

5 fielders behind square on which side?

He goes for a lot of runs behind the wicket. But it's not like he is getting smashed down the ground or through the covers," Moody said.

When you are 150ks, more chances the ball will be behind square as the batsman is late on the ball.

For a rookie, Umran has done well.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yeah I'm gonna call B.S on that. I actually saw the match you are talking about. The second match of this year's IPL that he played against Mumbai Indians. He was bowling at 140-142, nowhere near 146+ as you are claiming. In the U-19 WC IIRC he was even hitting 150.

And no, there is no guarantee that he will get better and bowl faster if he plays more. If anything, he will have his work cut out for him based on his height and physique. And being so injury-prone at such a young age is not a good omen either.

He even won the fastest ball competition of that match and the ball was 146ks as per the commie.

The only B.S. is what you are spouting.

 

[ufcfan]

Yeah I'm gonna call B.S on that. I actually saw the match you are talking about. The second match of this year's IPL that he played against Mumbai Indians. He was bowling at 140-142, nowhere near 146+ as you are claiming. In the U-19 WC IIRC he was even hitting 150.


And no, there is no guarantee that he will get better and bowl faster if he plays more. If anything, he will have his work cut out for him based on his height and physique. And being so injury-prone at such a young age is not a good omen either.

He was awarded for fastest delivery,that day
He had a severe stress fracture that put him out for two years,injuries can happen to anyone,yes he is short ,not even claiming he's world class but will surely get stronger from here on and will get quicker
We are not desperate to fast track these kids anyway
Shaheen was a nice coincidence,who where the number one bowlers for Pakistan before Shaheen?Amir?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Umran Malik said "Abdul Samad got me into the SRH team as a net bowler, until 2018, I used to play only Tennis ball cricket".

Now Umran is SRH key player and Samad is on bench

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

There are PP threads to track speed of bowlers during every PSL. Check them. If they bowled the speeds you said, it would be there.

Dropped pace? He played one match this IPL and was clocked at 146ks.

Not necessarily. The people who post on these threads are other posters, not bots. My guess is that they probably missed the delivery I am talking about.

You mean he bowled one ball that was clocked at 146? Because I remember watching that match. He bowled two overs in which his average pace was in the low 140s.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He even won the fastest ball competition of that match and the ball was 146ks as per the commie.

The only B.S. is what you are spouting.

Bowling one delivery at 146 does not mean your pace in 146.

His average pace in his 2 over spell was in the low 140s.

Instead of lying just go back watch the highlights of the match. His speed is visible after every ball.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

He was awarded for fastest delivery,that day
He had a severe stress fracture that put him out for two years,injuries can happen to anyone,yes he is short ,not even claiming he's world class but will surely get stronger from here on and will get quicker
We are not desperate to fast track these kids anyway
Shaheen was a nice coincidence,who where the number one bowlers for Pakistan before Shaheen?Amir?

That just means he bowled one delivery at 146. That doesn't mean he bowled 9-10 deliveries at 146+

Pakistan has a history and culture of producing great fast-bowlers. The same cannot be said for India. Prior to the current crop of Indian pacers, India's idea of a fast-bowling great was Javagal Srinath (lol). If you don't know the names of other "number one bowlers *from Pakistan" than that's down to your ignorance, not minre. Google is your friend inregards to enhancing your knowledge.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

5 fielders behind square on which side?

He goes for a lot of runs behind the wicket. But it's not like he is getting smashed down the ground or through the covers," Moody said.

When you are 150ks, more chances the ball will be behind square as the batsman is late on the ball.

For a rookie, Umran has done well.

Behind the keeper.

Lol I have seen alot of fast-bowlers bowl but I have never seen that field set to a fast-bowler before. Every fielder that is allowed outside the ring was fielding in one area.

For a rookie, he has done alright. But the IPL (or any league for that matter) is no barometer for determining how good a local player is. His first true test will come when he plays T20I cricket for India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not necessarily. The people who post on these threads are other posters, not bots. My guess is that they probably missed the delivery I am talking about.

You mean he bowled one ball that was clocked at 146? Because I remember watching that match. He bowled two overs in which his average pace was in the low 140s.

So 100s of posters on PP missed those deliveries of those bowlers that you mentioned.Nice coincidence. NOT.

He was bowling early to mid 140s with highest being 146.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Behind the keeper.

Lol I have seen alot of fast-bowlers bowl but I have never seen that field set to a fast-bowler before. Every fielder that is allowed outside the ring was fielding in one area.

For a rookie, he has done alright. But the IPL (or any league for that matter) is no barometer for determining how good a local player is. His first true test will come when he plays T20I cricket for India.

Which side behind the keeper? Off or leg?

You are not a international bowler, or coach or captain, ofcourse Williamson,Steyn,Moody, Murali know a little bit more than you regarding fielding and field settings. Moody even mentioned that.

He is atleast 2 to 3 years from making his debut for India.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He was awarded for fastest delivery,that day
He had a severe stress fracture that put him out for two years,injuries can happen to anyone,yes he is short ,not even claiming he's world class but will surely get stronger from here on and will get quicker
We are not desperate to fast track these kids anyway
Shaheen was a nice coincidence,who where the number one bowlers for Pakistan before Shaheen?Amir?

Many fast bowlers who clock high speeds as a teenager have had back stress fracture. Lee, Johnson, Cummins to name a few. Its a common injury for fast bowlers.

 

[BreadPakoda]

So 100s of posters on PP missed those deliveries of those bowlers that you mentioned.Nice coincidence. NOT.

He was bowling early to mid 140s with highest being 146.

Same poster claimed Musa is express lol

 

[volcyz]

Both Nagarkoti and Mavi are from Munaf Patel academy of fast bowlinng.

Supposedly ‘express’ LoL

Now both struggling to bowl 2 balls above 143kph and get tonked around the park by anyone who can wield a willow.

Both were overhyped beyond overhyped and waste of investment by KKR.

 

[ufcfan]

That just means he bowled one delivery at 146. That doesn't mean he bowled 9-10 deliveries at 146+

Pakistan has a history and culture of producing great fast-bowlers. The same cannot be said for India. Prior to the current crop of Indian pacers, India's idea of a fast-bowling great was Javagal Srinath (lol). If you don't know the names of other "number one bowlers *from Pakistan" than that's down to your ignorance, not minre. Google is your friend inregards to enhancing your knowledge.

You again dodged the question,
Before Shaheen,who were the best fast bowlers in Pakistan side(most recently not talking about post independence era)?
I believe Pakistan literally had pedestrian attack across formats as a result Shaheen was fast tracked
I honestly admit ,he was more gifted than Nagarkoti and others from his batch because of his height to begin with and is the best new ball bowler from Pakistan since Akram
We didn't have the immediate requirement of a pacer from our victorious u19 batch,and given the nature of our system we rarely debut our kids,we let them go through the rigours of cricket via FC matches A tours etc
Nagarkoti and co have been dragged behind in that aspect too because of injuries,im not even talking about how good is he,the conversation is about pace which he hasn't significantly reduced
That doesn't mean Im disrespecting past Pakistani fast bowling greats ,im just calling out Pak bowling which wasn't particularly wonderful just before Shaheen came into the scene

 

[MenInG]

Umran Malik:

The 22-year-old joined his former mentor Irfan Pathan (PBKS vs MI Mohali 2008), Sri Lanka great Malinga (MI vs Deccan Durban 2009) and Jaydev Unadkat (RPS vs SRH Hyderabad 2017) in the list of bowlers to deliver a maiden in the 20th over of an IPL game. However, only Malinga and Umran's overs were in the first innings of a game. Umran also joined Malinga in an elite list of bowlers with a wicket maiden in the final over. Unadkat is the only other bowler in the list.

 

[redmaverik84]

To answer questions, Mavi was never express quick, could tough 140 at best but was over hyped, does absolutely nothing with the ball.
Nagarkoti on the other hand did hit 145+ in the U19 WC but the lad doesn't have the frame to bowl that quick consistently. He is frequently injured and now that he is back, finding it tough to get his rhythm going. He has pace though and is certainly one for the future.
Kartik Tyagi though was the quickest in the 2020 U 19 WC and has a lovely action and everything physically to be a fast bowler. He bowls consistently in the 140s and has other skills to go with the pace. Unfortunately seems injured for now but definitely a long term prospect.
Prasidh has the height, hits the deck hard bowls in the early 140s consistently and is now a member of the ICT.

Saini has pace but little else and is no longer in the picture. Look out for Kuldeep Sen, a dark horse who bowls in the high 140s, a shade slower than Umran and physically strong too.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

We should definitely not hype Umran to the moon, India has the best pace bowling unit in the world in test cricket - Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Prasidh, Umesh.

We have the top three test pacers from Asia at our disposal, we got enough firepower already.

Umran can do well in lois surely where 145k+ combined with hard lengths makes it very difficult to hit the bowler.
A mark wood kinda bowler for India maybe.

 

[Smbhayi]

Alot of Indian fans probably think I'm being bitter here by telling them to temper their expectations about Umran. But that is simply not the case. I hope he turns out to be a proper fast-bowler that can bowl at express pace consistently.

But right now, its simply intellectually dishonest to build him up as something he is not. The other day Williamson literally had all 5 fielders behind the square when he was bowling which just goes to show what a spray gun he is who cannot control his line and length for the most part. Today he came in and wiped off the tail-enders with raw pace in his final over after going at 9+ in the first 3.

I can understand Indian fans being excited because they have never seen an Indian fast-bowler bowl this fast before. But as a Pakistani fan who has seen guys like Mohammad Sami and Wahab Riaz come and go, I assure you that being quick does not come with the guarantee of actually being good.

And same day Kane give reason for that..

 

[Villager6964]

Umran is seriously fast. He regularly bowls high 140s and a odd delivery at 150s as well.
India has never seen an express bowler before. He is the fastest Indian bowler ever.
He should be developed further more and he can play international cricket in ODIs and t20is.

 

[Villager6964]

In yesterday's match he bowled one ball over 150s till his 3rd over.
He is high 140s bowler with odd delivery over 150s and certainly the fastest Indian pacer ever.
I think he can breach 155ks. His fastest delivery till now is 153.8 i think.
He can bowl as fast as haris rauf.

 

[TheSultan]

We should definitely not hype Umran to the moon, India has the best pace bowling unit in the world in test cricket - Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Prasidh, Umesh.

We have the top three test pacers from Asia at our disposal, we got enough firepower already.

Umran can do well in lois surely where 145k+ combined with hard lengths makes it very difficult to hit the bowler.
A mark wood kinda bowler for India maybe.

Let’s use the right words here. India’s current attack is a good seam-up attack. They are not a “pace” attack. A couple of deliveries in the 140 region by one of two pacers is baby pace. I know it’s exciting for pace starved India, but it is still baby pace.

Umran Malik would be the first genuine pace bowler you would have on your history. And probably the best action.

I’ve seen a few Indian hype machines. They never last because their bodies can’t take it. Every hype job seems to have a bit of pace, but ultimately their actions are an abomination.

Under the covers they still have bowling actions that will make Abey Kuruvilla and Debashish Mohanty proud.

This combined with natural diet is why they cannot last.

Umran is a strong lad with a great action. If he stays fit and doesn’t get to play much for India, it will say a lot about their selection policy than him.

He would have hope in the very fair era of Kohli’s leadership. Don’t think any other captain / coach combo will be that fair

 

[Smbhayi]

Let’s use the right words here. India’s current attack is a good seam-up attack. They are not a “pace” attack. A couple of deliveries in the 140 region by one of two pacers is baby pace. I know it’s exciting for pace starved India, but it is still baby pace.

So as per you which country has "pace" attack.. as far i know most of the recent matches Indian seam up team faster than its opponent pace attack..

 

[ufcfan]

Let’s use the right words here. India’s current attack is a good seam-up attack. They are not a “pace” attack. A couple of deliveries in the 140 region by one of two pacers is baby pace. I know it’s exciting for pace starved India, but it is still baby pace.

Umran Malik would be the first genuine pace bowler you would have on your history. And probably the best action.

I’ve seen a few Indian hype machines. They never last because their bodies can’t take it. Every hype job seems to have a bit of pace, but ultimately their actions are an abomination.

Under the covers they still have bowling actions that will make Abey Kuruvilla and Debashish Mohanty proud.

This combined with natural diet is why they cannot last.

Umran is a strong lad with a great action. If he stays fit and doesn’t get to play much for India, it will say a lot about their selection policy than him.

He would have hope in the very fair era of Kohli’s leadership. Don’t think any other captain / coach combo will be that fair

A post showing all signs of jealousy
An attack where most of the pacers can crank good speeds,and bowl hostile overs in longest format of cricket is branded as "seam up attack"
Naseem just started playing test cricket,so largely how was pakistani attack faring in tests?
All of them were a trundling bunch,Indian attack has been most hostile in tests comparatively
Umran gets the hype because of pace,noone intentionally does,but he's nowhere ready to play international cricket certainly for India as of now
If you remember Umesh Yadav used to bowl very quick,he still can clock impressive speeds
Used to be a 145-148 to 152/153 k bowler when he first came,we also had Varun Aaron who could have been quickest ,injuries stalled his progress
Its not like we haven't seen one of our pacers crank up good speeds before,infact after these two gentlemen we are witnessing youths taking up fast bowling as a passion and IPL is always there to give you a global platform to showcase what you have

 

[TheSultan]

So as per you which country has "pace" attack.. as far i know most of the recent matches Indian seam up team faster than its opponent pace attack..

Really? Aussies are faster, so are SA. Even West Indies if they pick the right team are faster.

Pak are going through a bit of a lull but if they had an attack of Shaheen, Naseem and Haris, all 3 would be quicker than a single on of the Indian “attack”

There’s no shame in that. India are a very good workmanlike seam up attack. But if they want to be called a “pace” attack, they need quicker bowlers. Umran would be a step in the right direction.

 

[TheSultan]

A post showing all signs of jealousy
An attack where most of the pacers can crank good speeds,and bowl hostile overs in longest format of cricket is branded as "seam up attack"
Naseem just started playing test cricket,so largely how was pakistani attack faring in tests?
All of them were a trundling bunch,Indian attack has been most hostile in tests comparatively
Umran gets the hype because of pace,noone intentionally does,but he's nowhere ready to play international cricket certainly for India as of now
If you remember Umesh Yadav used to bowl very quick,he still can clock impressive speeds
Used to be a 145-148 to 152/153 k bowler when he first came,we also had Varun Aaron who could have been quickest ,injuries stalled his progress
Its not like we haven't seen one of our pacers crank up good speeds before,infact after these two gentlemen we are witnessing youths taking up fast bowling as a passion and IPL is always there to give you a global platform to showcase what you have

Re type this with paragraphs and I will respond. Good luck

 

[Sidilicious]

Really? Aussies are faster, so are SA. Even West Indies if they pick the right team are faster.

Pak are going through a bit of a lull but if they had an attack of Shaheen, Naseem and Haris, all 3 would be quicker than a single on of the Indian “attack”

There’s no shame in that. India are a very good workmanlike seam up attack. But if they want to be called a “pace” attack, they need quicker bowlers. Umran would be a step in the right direction.

We should definitely not hype Umran to the moon, India has the best pace bowling unit in the world in test cricket - Bumrah, Siraj, Shami, Prasidh, Umesh.

We have the top three test pacers from Asia at our disposal, we got enough firepower already.

Umran can do well in lois surely where 145k+ combined with hard lengths makes it very difficult to hit the bowler.
A mark wood kinda bowler for India maybe.

Agreed. We do not need to fast track any bowler just because they have pace or have one or two good seasons in the IPL.

We have shown that bowlers who consistently spend 3-4 seasons in our first class system are coming through with enough skill, confidence and maturity to become world class bowlers. At this moment we have 3 world class pacers in Bumrah, Shami and Siraj none of whom were fast tracked into the test side. They played first class cricket, developed their skills (bowling and brains) before they were unleashed at the test level.

Unlike Pakistan we have a great system and no lack of bowlers with skill that we need to rely on only pace or brining in raw talent with the hope that they will mature in to world class bowlers.

Any attack that can average in late 130s or early 140s with a lot of skill (as is the case with our bowlers) will be lethal.

Results show it. Our pace bowling has been superior to Pakistans for nearly 6-7 years now. We are in the top 2 pace bowling sides (Aus is probably number 1) and the best all condition bowling side.

We have a process and need to stick to it. No need to fast tracking pace bowlers after one decent season.

 

[ufcfan]

Re type this with paragraphs and I will respond. Good luck

Won't do it again to get your response

 

[ufcfan]

Really? Aussies are faster, so are SA. Even West Indies if they pick the right team are faster.

Pak are going through a bit of a lull but if they had an attack of Shaheen, Naseem and Haris, all 3 would be quicker than a single on of the Indian “attack”

There’s no shame in that. India are a very good workmanlike seam up attack. But if they want to be called a “pace” attack, they need quicker bowlers. Umran would be a step in the right direction.

So SA is fast attack?
Have you seen Rabada lately or Jansen?
So that qualifies as fast attack while India has a "good workmanlike attack"

"Even WI if they select right team",lol what
Cricket is about marking speedgun readings?if that were a case India too would assemble the fastest men and hunt evn the no names to clock high speeds across the country

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let’s use the right words here. India’s current attack is a good seam-up attack. They are not a “pace” attack. A couple of deliveries in the 140 region by one of two pacers is baby pace. I know it’s exciting for pace starved India, but it is still baby pace.

Umran Malik would be the first genuine pace bowler you would have on your history. And probably the best action.

I’ve seen a few Indian hype machines. They never last because their bodies can’t take it. Every hype job seems to have a bit of pace, but ultimately their actions are an abomination.

Under the covers they still have bowling actions that will make Abey Kuruvilla and Debashish Mohanty proud.

This combined with natural diet is why they cannot last.

Umran is a strong lad with a great action. If he stays fit and doesn’t get to play much for India, it will say a lot about their selection policy than him.

He would have hope in the very fair era of Kohli’s leadership. Don’t think any other captain / coach combo will be that fair

Let me tell you this, no amount of whining on PP will change the fact that Indian pace attack is some distance ahead of pakistan in every sphere, currently.

So the jealousy of the likes of you is pretty evident.

Problem is that this petty attitude of yours will not raise the level or speed of your pace bowling. So while you troll on PP, Indian pace bowlers are winning test series in places where pakistan hasn't won a test in decades.

 

[TheSultan]

Let me tell you this, no amount of whining on PP will change the fact that Indian pace attack is some distance ahead of pakistan in every sphere, currently.

So the jealousy of the likes of you is pretty evident.

Problem is that this petty attitude of yours will not raise the level or speed of your pace bowling. So while you troll on PP, Indian pace bowlers are winning test series in places where pakistan hasn't won a test in decades.

I agree with you. The Indian test seam up attack is better than Pakistan’s current attack. No arguments there. I really appreciate their workmanlike effort and pulling together, sum greater than parts mentality.

All I am saying is if you want to call it a “pace” attack you need someone with…you know…what is it….pace? Real pace mind you. Umran will give you that.

What are you guys upset about. Where’s the jealousy from me?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree with you. The Indian test seam up attack is better than Pakistan’s current attack. No arguments there. I really appreciate their workmanlike effort and pulling together, sum greater than parts mentality.

All I am saying is if you want to call it a “pace” attack you need someone with…you know…what is it….pace? Real pace mind you. Umran will give you that.

What are you guys upset about. Where’s the jealousy from me?

You have only one bowler who is as quick as Umran and thats Rauf.

What are you on about?

Indian pace attack beats pakistan in every sphere including speed, your denial or trolling wont change that fact.

 

[TheSultan]

You have only one bowler who is as quick as Umran and thats Rauf.

What are you on about?

Indian pace attack beats pakistan in every sphere including speed, your denial or trolling wont change that fact.

You seem to have lost your marbles mate. Read what I said. I agree that India’s attack is better than Pakistan’s. What’s the actual problem?

We have one bowler (Rauf) who is as quick as Umran. Yup, no disagreement there. I’m not very proud of our fast bowling in recent years and I am just as critical of them as anyone would be. I’d like to see Shaheen, Rauf and Naseem bowl together. That has the makings of a great pace attack. But we won’t know or be able to say they are great for a while.

What are you jumping up n down for? India has a very good seam up attack. They should be very proud that this band of medium-fast bowlers are performing so well in the current era. Well done. I am happy for you. All I’m saying is you’re a litttle short of pace to call it a “pace attack”. Umran May fill that void.

Seriously keep your chuds on man

 

[StreetSmart]

Amazing Talent MashaAllah. Not sure why people are having arguments about who has the more pacers. Let him come to international cricket then we will see how good he is. I don't care how much pacy you are while playing for leagues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You seem to have lost your marbles mate. Read what I said. I agree that India’s attack is better than Pakistan’s. What’s the actual problem?

We have one bowler (Rauf) who is as quick as Umran. Yup, no disagreement there. I’m not very proud of our fast bowling in recent years and I am just as critical of them as anyone would be. I’d like to see Shaheen, Rauf and Naseem bowl together. That has the makings of a great pace attack. But we won’t know or be able to say they are great for a while.

What are you jumping up n down for? India has a very good seam up attack. They should be very proud that this band of medium-fast bowlers are performing so well in the current era. Well done. I am happy for you. All I’m saying is you’re a litttle short of pace to call it a “pace attack”. Umran May fill that void.

Seriously keep your chuds on man

How many tests have Rauf played? Naseem avgs nearly 40 in tests. Only Shaheen has been good. So your pace attack isnt world class.

What you are doing is trolling, Bumrah Shami Siraj Umesh all bowl in 140s regularly, with Bumrah hitting late 140s. Thats a pace attack.

Your denial wont change that.

I think you may have lost your chuds, betting against the Indian pace attack and betting on the pakistani new ball bowlers.