[VIDEOS] Jammu and Kashmir pacer Umran Malik

[gazza619]

TBH I have only seen Waqar as a 135-142 bowler with the ball touching 145 once in a while. Same goes for Wasim though. However they had mad skills that made them ATGs. Doesn’t make them lesser bowlers.

I don’t think Waqar was any faster than Umesh Yadav or Shami. In fact on an average if he was faster than say someone like Umesh is also debatable because we look at some names with nostalgic eyes.

Maybe for a season or 2 Waqar hit 150 in the late 80-early 90 but there were shady/ outdated speed guns and spotty coverage so you can’t trust those.

Seriously!?
Ok.
You were clearly born in the 2000s.

 

[Local.Dada]

Seriously!?
Ok.
You were clearly born in the 2000s.

Nope. Then I would also speak from nostalgia. I actually saw a lot of games with Waqar in it. As I said I didn’t watch him from 89-91 when he was supposedly 150+. Since 1994 the first time I saw him, he was fast but 140 is swift enough to be called that and he bowled a lot of balls in the range I mentioned.

Clocking 1-2 balls at 150 don’t count because Ishant Sharma did that too and no one is going to call him express. As I said that doesn’t take away how talented the 2 Ws were.

 

[Smbhayi]

And this is why I was saying that he will lose his pace as soon he starts playing for India. This is the kind of mentality our coaches had and this is exactly the reason why India is struggling to unearth bowlers like Lee, Bond or Akhtar.

And how many Lee's or bonds or akhtars there?

 

[Muddaser]

No. Waqar in early 90s was genuinely quick. And so was Aaron.

In early 90s Waqar was usually 145 plus and early 150s and highest being 153ks

They were no regular speedguns during that time so no one knows what Waqars highest was.

Man how old are the Fellow Indians in this thread?

 

[TheSultan]

https://youtu.be/gc5verJFj_o

Don’t know how to embed the video but Wasim Waqar bowling in the early 130’s

This was 3 years before retirement. I think Pak won this game so enjoy. Razzaq and Shoaib (obviously) look sharper here. Wasim was obviously a swing bowler by then.

This was 1999 in your video.

I don’t know how to embed videos but here’s another link

https://youtu.be/wchAg9pRvS4

Watch 1.04 onwards in the video. 142.1kph in 1999 too.

This is Waqar towards the end of his career after 2 serious back injuries! Can you imagine how quick he was before his first back injury 1990-1992?

2 can play at that game sonny.

Waqar was clearly 155k+ in 1991. He was also clocked at 153 in 1993 after 1 back injury.

In 1996 he was clocked at 94mph in England. That was after 2 back surgeries.

It is pretty idiotic to say he wasn’t express.

 

[TheSultan]

Bumrah is a better bowler than Akhtar and the stats say the same.

Not so fast sonny. Shoaib having played more tests had a strike rate of 45. bumra’s strike rate playing fewer matches is 49.1.

Which means shoaib took wickets more regularly than bumrah does.

waqar’s strike rate after 38 tests was around 36. That. Is. Ridiculous!

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Naseem presently is poor. Nothing else.

Indian bowlers have had Aussie batsman in Australia and in India. We all know what Naseem Shah did in Australia.

Thanks but presently he is rubbish and pakistan ko hi Mubarak ho.

Mcgrath Pollock Walsh Hadlee and many like them got wickets through line and length and became ATG.

Who the hell is Naseem Shah?

As expected you decided to blabber on repeatedly without actually focusing on the point of my argument.

Which was that for a 19 year old fast-bowler, he is a very highly developed. He may be inconsistent but calling him poor is hilarious coming from you. Considering India doesn't have a single fast-bowler under 20 (or all the way to 22-23) that even comes close to Naseem in any way whatsoever.

Yeah they have. Guys like Bumrah who was what 25 during that 2018 tour? Siraj who as 26 during the last tour. Shami who looks way past 40. Natarajan is 31. Thakur is 30. Bhuvi is 32.

Who the hell is Naseem Shah? A bowler India wishes they had, but don't. Focus on that 22 year old spray gun. Maybe 4 years from now he will be as good as Naseem is now. And maybe then (if he is lucky) he can have 2-3 good years.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

On one hand you are saying that you prefer 135-145 range bowlers and on the other hand you are getting offended when someone calls Bumrah medium fast pacer. Bhai kehna kya chahte ho? You want them to bowl phaasht like Akhtar, don't you?

Man, you are so clueless!
You know there's a difference between express fast and fast?

This is the category where the likes of Bumrah, Cummins, Rabada( top 3 test bowlers) dwell.

Also someone who bowls in 140s and can clock 145+ isn't a medium pacer.

Did you receive a blow on your head from Rishabh Pant?

As for [MENTION=154144]TheSultan[/MENTION], anyone who thinks Bumrah is a medium pacer is surely trolling.
Philander, Abbas, Shardul - they are medium pacers not Bumrah.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Master jeeteshssaxena. Now now your another one getting excited little fella. Bumrah bowls a small fraction of his deliveries over 140k. Oh don’t get me wrong he is a wonderful medium pacer. But let’s not start dreaming.

Not so fast sonny. Shoaib having played more tests had a strike rate of 45. bumra’s strike rate playing fewer matches is 49.1.

Which means shoaib took wickets more regularly than bumrah does.

waqar’s strike rate after 38 tests was around 36. That. Is. Ridiculous!

Oh strike rate is the most important thing now.
Akhtar 45
Wasim 53
Mcgrath 51
Lillee 48
Holding - 49 (Same number of tests)

Looks like Akhtar is the greatest pacer of all time leaving behind legends like Mcgrath, Lillee, Holding, Akhtar.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Some of the posts by my fellow Indian posters shows why we never had express fast bowlers and their lack of knowledge about fast bowling is astonishing. India got 2-3 good bowlers and our fans have started calling bowlers like Akhtar, Lee etc mediocre.

no crick lover who's watched test/odi cric long enough would ever call akhtar , lee, waqar mediocre. In fact in my hostel in the 90's-2000's i can vouch for several who loved watching waqar, wasim , zahid shoiab, etc just running in, leave alone their lethal bowling yorkers et all. So get off the 'our fans' and 'my fellow' high horse. The point a lot are making is most teams would rather havea skilful Jazzboom bowling at 142 or thereabours + or a skidddy difficult to face shami at 140 kmph+ than have a 145kmph scatter gun who just adds to the over rate without being effective, a few have been named above.
The rankings in test cricket accurately reflect where a team with skillful bowlers lie and where the team with the so called quicks lie.
and lastly, get off the 'we have the monopoly over phaaast bowling' hoopla, India is on the way to producing out and out quicks - it wont be long m8, watch out

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Bumrah may well be the greatest pacer India ever produced.

But despite that he is not even as good as Akhtar.

I know this may be a tough pill for Indian posters to swallow but that just goes to show how sorry India's history of producing world-class fast-bowlers actually is.

Anyone who watched Akhtar play and has a functioning brain knows what I'm talking about.

 

[anikrc1]

Bumrah may well be the greatest pacer India ever produced.

But despite that he is not even as good as Akhtar.

I know this may be a tough pill for Indian posters to swallow but that just goes to show how sorry India's history of producing world-class fast-bowlers actually is.

Anyone who watched Akhtar play and has a functioning brain knows what I'm talking about.

Akhtar at his best was better than bumrah at his best, on an average day bumrah is better. But then in his best akhtar was probably better than McGrath or Donald also.

 

[Firebat]

Once again... the thread is about Jammu and Kashmir pacer Umran Malik.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They were no regular speedguns during that time so no one knows what Waqars highest was.

Man how old are the Fellow Indians in this thread?

His highest clocked speed was 153ks. He was clocked at that speed in England and SA.

Those are his recorded speeds.

 

[TheSultan]

Oh strike rate is the most important thing now.
Akhtar 45
Wasim 53
Mcgrath 51
Lillee 48
Holding - 49 (Same number of tests)

Looks like Akhtar is the greatest pacer of all time leaving behind legends like Mcgrath, Lillee, Holding, Akhtar.

It was you or one of your mates that brought up the bumrah’s “record is better than Akhtar” argument. I am pointing out there are many more facets to “records” than simply average.

In tests, strike rates are very important because the objective for a bowling side is to take 20 wickets. Indians wouldn’t understand that simply because your development and understanding of strike bowlers is embryonic at best. Maybe you may learn a thing or two over the years.

And yes, those stats show that shoaib was a greater strike bowler than all those names you mentioned. However, what they have over shoaib is longevity so we don’t know if shoaib would have maintained that over a similar number of tests.

But someone wanted to compare bumrah and shoaib. And bumrah doesn’t even have longevity over shoaibs record, he’s played fewer matches!

Bumrah is a fantastic medium-medium-fast bowler. But let bumrah achieve something first before you start shouting about records etc

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not so fast sonny. Shoaib having played more tests had a strike rate of 45. bumra’s strike rate playing fewer matches is 49.1.

Which means shoaib took wickets more regularly than bumrah does.

waqar’s strike rate after 38 tests was around 36. That. Is. Ridiculous!

Lol. In cricket the main thing is Runs scored and wickets taken. And not how quickly you got the team players out.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Akhtar at his best was better than bumrah at his best, on an average day bumrah is better. But then in his best akhtar was probably better than McGrath or Donald also.

Do you even know the performance of Akhtar in places like Australia?

Performance is not about the showmanship and adrenaline.

 

[TheSultan]

His highest clocked speed was 153ks. He was clocked at that speed in England and SA.

Those are his recorded speeds.

Yes and speed guns weren’t available when he was at his fastest so this “recorded / clocked speed” argument is pointless and if anything proves that at his fastest he was quicker than 153ks. Which is exactly what all of us are saying.

Seriously this is like teaching kindergarten!

 

[TheSultan]

Lol. In cricket the main thing is Runs scored and wickets taken. And not how quickly you got the team players out.

Errm the quicker you get a team out the less runs they will score duh!

Keeping runs down is for the medium pacers and workhorses. Strike bowlers are there to take wickets.

If you want to say bumrah is a better workhorse, I agree.

 

[TheSultan]

Do you even know the performance of Akhtar in places like Australia?

Performance is not about the showmanship and adrenaline.

On his last tour to Australia he bowled in 3 innings and took TWO 5-fers. Not bad eh?

 

[TheSultan]

On his last tour to Australia he bowled in 3 innings and took TWO 5-fers. Not bad eh?

*Typo 3 matches, not 3 innings but on that note it was just 5 innings and 2 of them were curtailed by injury.

Still pretty decent return

 

[gazza619]

Nope. Then I would also speak from nostalgia. I actually saw a lot of games with Waqar in it. As I said I didn’t watch him from 89-91 when he was supposedly 150+. Since 1994 the first time I saw him, he was fast but 140 is swift enough to be called that and he bowled a lot of balls in the range I mentioned.

Clocking 1-2 balls at 150 don’t count because Ishant Sharma did that too and no one is going to call him express. As I said that doesn’t take away how talented the 2 Ws were.

Waqar was way past his peak by 1995 I would say. He did revive his white ball career later on by turning into a medium fast accurate swing bowler.

When I compare two bowlers from different eras, I always compare their peaks. To put Yadav, Inshant, Shami in the same bracket as Waqar is shockingly laughable.

 

[Ab Fan]

Some hillarious comments from Padosi posters who grew up watching cricket from late 90s to now. Since the only quality fast bowler they saw from Pakistan who played for a decent period of time was Akhtar, so all they have is to hype Akhtar as better bowler than Dev and Bumrah but he simply ain't comparable to them.

The thing that people forget was Akhtar had his moments but not any glorious peak or something. If moment is all you have to remember them the technically ugly Ross Taylor smashed him to all parts in 2011 WC is also a moment and he didn't even played 50 tests.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Errm the quicker you get a team out the less runs they will score duh!

Keeping runs down is for the medium pacers and workhorses. Strike bowlers are there to take wickets.

If you want to say bumrah is a better workhorse, I agree.

Who told you this? Runs given per wicket is the stat that tells how many runs will the team score.

Ultimately you need to score those runs to win the match, doesn't matter whether the opposition scored the runs in 50 0vers of 80 overs.

This is why the greatness of bowlers is measured by avg.

As i said, you can crack your jokes amongst a majority pakistani audience, elsewhere its just trolling.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes and speed guns weren’t available when he was at his fastest so this “recorded / clocked speed” argument is pointless and if anything proves that at his fastest he was quicker than 153ks. Which is exactly what all of us are saying.

Seriously this is like teaching kindergarten!

What matters is that he was clocked in multiple countries, multiple times and his highest recorded speed is 153ks.

What you say i say doesn't matter. What the speed gun said matters.

 

[TheSultan]

What matters is that he was clocked in multiple countries, multiple times and his highest recorded speed is 153ks.

What you say i say doesn't matter. What the speed gun said matters.

He was not clocked when he was at his fastest because it was not possible as speedguns weren’t available. So what the speedgun says only matters when it’s present.

Seems simple logic is lost on you. I am thinking of starting online sessions for the idiot’s guide to international cricket. Let me know if you’d like to attend

 

[TheSultan]

Who told you this? Runs given per wicket is the stat that tells how many runs will the team score.

Ultimately you need to score those runs to win the match, doesn't matter whether the opposition scored the runs in 50 0vers of 80 overs.

This is why the greatness of bowlers is measured by avg.

As i said, you can crack your jokes amongst a majority pakistani audience, elsewhere its just trolling.

Runs per wicket only tell you how many runs were given per wicket. It does not tell you how quickly those wickets were taken.

There’s no point bowling economical spells in tests if you don’t take 20 wickets. Average is not the sole indicator, you HAVE to take in to account strike rate too.

 

[MenInG]

Less snide remarks, more facts please.

 

[Villager6964]

As we are told that Umesh Yadav is an express bowler but he barely bowls 137.
I just watched his first over now and he bowled at 136ks and 131ks i will be keeping an eye on all indian express pacers in IPL circus league.

 

[TheSultan]

This is the difference. They call guys like yadav express and we call guys like Dahani sharp.

There are levels. Indians have been starved of pace. 137 is express for an Indian

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

And how many Lee's or bonds or akhtars there?

Which thread are you in lol? Judging by the responses in this thread we have already unearthed Umran Malik. Some Indian fans prefer him to bowl in 135-145 range which is why I said this mentality will not help bowlers like Umran Malik.

 

[Villager6964]

Umran is seriously fast and i hope he doesn't cut down his pace.
In his first over against RCB his speeds were
146 145 143 146 144 142 149.7

 

[Villager6964]

Umran has ability to bowl 150 i don't know if he can bowl consistently at 150 but he certainly clocks 150 in every match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Umran is seriously fast and i hope he doesn't cut down his pace.
In his first over against RCB his speeds were
146 145 143 146 144 142 149.7

He maybe fast but our fans want him to bowl in 135-145 range because they are looking for an ATG not a mediocre bowler like Akhtar, Lee or Bond.

 

[Villager6964]

He maybe fast but our fans want him to bowl in 135-145 range because they are looking for an ATG not a mediocre bowler like Akhtar, Lee or Bond.

LOL that's why India has never got an express pace bowler before.
These Indian fans don't deserve umran Malik.

 

[Wahid1234]

I told everyone before he’s the real deal. People are starting to realise how good this guy already is and will become. He’s starting to shut up all of haters on here who keep on spewing rubbish and don’t know anything about cricket and fast bowling

I reiterate this guy is going to become a very special bowler and will be in the Indians team soon

 

[TheSultan]

He maybe fast but our fans want him to bowl in 135-145 range because they are looking for an ATG not a mediocre bowler like Akhtar, Lee or Bond.

Lol they are so confused. You try and tell them the Indian attack could do with an express pacer like Umran Malik.

They say our attack is already very quick. They then argue that they are very quick and when it’s clear they are not actually that quick, then it’s well “quick bowlers are spray guns, we don’t actually want quick bowlers”. We want 135-145.

Then they’ll spend ages arguing no one else was fast too with some random and preposterous claims of Pakistani bowlers speeds. When they’ve been schooled again. It’s back to we want 135-145! Endless

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Lol they are so confused. You try and tell them the Indian attack could do with an express pacer like Umran Malik.

They say our attack is already very quick. They then argue that they are very quick and when it’s clear they are not actually that quick, then it’s well “quick bowlers are spray guns, we don’t actually want quick bowlers”. We want 135-145.

Then they’ll spend ages arguing no one else was fast too with some random and preposterous claims of Pakistani bowlers speeds. When they’ve been schooled again. It’s back to we want 135-145! Endless

It's because we do not have a fast bowling culture or superstars to look up to. When Shoaib was young many Indian fans wanted a bowler like him in the team. He was a bowler who used to run through batting line ups and gave his all. Him not taking 200 wickets had more to do with his injuries/controversies and less to do with his abilities. He also bowled in an era where most of the teams had much better batsman than what you see these days. India, Sri Lanka, Aus, South Africa, England, NZ and even Zimbabwe had strong batting line ups.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As we are told that Umesh Yadav is an express bowler but he barely bowls 137.
I just watched his first over now and he bowled at 136ks and 131ks i will be keeping an eye on all indian express pacers in IPL circus league.

Umesh is now 32-33 slowed down since his peak days.

 

[Local.Dada]

This was 1999 in your video.

I don’t know how to embed videos but here’s another link

https://youtu.be/wchAg9pRvS4

Watch 1.04 onwards in the video. 142.1kph in 1999 too.

This is Waqar towards the end of his career after 2 serious back injuries! Can you imagine how quick he was before his first back injury 1990-1992?

2 can play at that game sonny.

Waqar was clearly 155k+ in 1991. He was also clocked at 153 in 1993 after 1 back injury.

In 1996 he was clocked at 94mph in England. That was after 2 back surgeries.

It is pretty idiotic to say he wasn’t express.

I never said Waqar couldn’t hit 142. That’s exactly my point he was a 135-142 and 145 on a good day on most of his career. Maybe the odd ball clocked at 148 on a Aussie,Sa pitches.

All this he used to bowl 155 in 1989 is just pure speculation. Waqar was never express for most of his career that I followed . He was a fast bowler with great skills. He isn’t any faster than Hasan Ali or Shami.

Also I see Instagram videos etc of new talents in my cricket group and most times the poor domestic batters technique makes the ball look faster. So a reverse swinging damaged ball at 135-140 may look like 155 when a tailender gets bowled.

The fastest Pakistani bowlers were Shoaib and to
Some extent Sami and Wahab. The other 2 are not even close to any bowler in the current Indian fast bowling line up. Swallow it up and move on.

I have no problem admitting 2 W’s are better than any Indian fast bowler till date even though as a bowling unit Indian bowlers have a lot more accomplishments.

Current Pak bowling line up bar Hassan Ali including Shaheen can’t keep up outside of a T20. So a couple of 145-150 balls don’t count when they start huffing and puffing and bowl low 130’s in their second spell.

All our bowlers including Ishant till recently keep up 140’s even on a 5th day.

Wake up and smell the coffee this isn’t 1996 anymore it is 2022.

 

[TheSultan]

I never said Waqar couldn’t hit 142. That’s exactly my point he was a 135-142 and 145 on a good day on most of his career. Maybe the odd ball clocked at 148 on a Aussie,Sa pitches.

All this he used to bowl 155 in 1989 is just pure speculation. Waqar was never express for most of his career that I followed . He was a fast bowler with great skills. He isn’t any faster than Hasan Ali or Shami.

Also I see Instagram videos etc of new talents in my cricket group and most times the poor domestic batters technique makes the ball look faster. So a reverse swinging damaged ball at 135-140 may look like 155 when a tailender gets bowled.

The fastest Pakistani bowlers were Shoaib and to
Some extent Sami and Wahab. The other 2 are not even close to any bowler in the current Indian fast bowling line up. Swallow it up and move on.

I have no problem admitting 2 W’s are better than any Indian fast bowler till date even though as a bowling unit Indian bowlers have a lot more accomplishments.

Current Pak bowling line up bar Hassan Ali including Shaheen can’t keep up outside of a T20. So a couple of 145-150 balls don’t count when they start huffing and puffing and bowl low 130’s in their second spell.

All our bowlers including Ishant till recently keep up 140’s even on a 5th day.

Wake up and smell the coffee this isn’t 1996 anymore it is 2022.

Oh dear! This is lost on you! He was bowling at 142 in 1999 when he was a lot slower and well past his peak, two back injuries after his quickest days.

Does that make any sense to you? One of your own Indians said he was timed at 153 in the mid 90s which was still after two back injuries. So at his quickest he was easily 155+ if not 160.

You do realise speedguns became the norm from 1999 onwards or were you not born then? Before 1999 the use of speedguns was sporadic and they didn’t always register every ball. Sometimes you have got to use your eyes too.

You seem to only remember Waqar when he had lost his pace 1999-2003 and was near the end of his career. Only in those days was he comparable to Hasan Ali, Shami etc.

Waqar was the daddy of express bowling for Pakistan. In fact “express pace” only became a regular term in pakistan because of waqar.

 

[jeetu]

No. Waqar in early 90s was genuinely quick. And so was Aaron.

In early 90s Waqar was usually 145 plus and early 150s and highest being 153ks

I agree.
From what i remember Waqar in 1989 debut wasn't as quick as Wasim. At that time Wasim as at his quickest. But within 2 years he was lot quicker than Wasim. He was express for sure. But he wasn't in peak Akhtar , Lee category in terms of pace. However he was lot lethal , his inswinging yorker at 150K was nearly unplayable.
Bumrah yorker reminds me of young Waqar , however typical Bumrah's yorker is at 147-149Kmh range. I think Waqar at his fastest was bowling yorker at slighly faster pace.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree.
From what i remember Waqar in 1989 debut wasn't as quick as Wasim. At that time Wasim as at his quickest. But within 2 years he was lot quicker than Wasim. He was express for sure. But he wasn't in peak Akhtar , Lee category in terms of pace. However he was lot lethal , his inswinging yorker at 150K was nearly unplayable.
Bumrah yorker reminds me of young Waqar , however typical Bumrah's yorker is at 147-149Kmh range. I think Waqar at his fastest was bowling yorker at slighly faster pace.

Waqar was clocked quite a few times by speed guns, in England, in SA, and in NZ.

He clocked 150ks a number of times, the highest recorded speed was 153ks.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Waqar never bowled 150 lmao
View attachment 115719

Indian really know nothing about pace , heard so much about the pace of the indian bowlers and when saw them in the t20 wc they were trundlers infront of shaheen and haris .

Similarly all this talk about speed in test cricket and naseem is the fastest bowler from Asia in tests by a country mile.

Do you have any video of this screenshot?

 

[Smbhayi]

Which thread are you in lol? Judging by the responses in this thread we have already unearthed Umran Malik. Some Indian fans prefer him to bowl in 135-145 range which is why I said this mentality will not help bowlers like Umran Malik.

You said it's bcs of our mindset we don't have express bowlers.. so I'm asking you why other countries don't have express bowlers (currently only Nortje and Lockie can be termed as express bowlers in int'l cricket)... It simply means bowling at 95 mph is very hard irrespective of their nationality.. out of Lee, Akhtar, Bond and Tait only Lee had a successful career.. others careers is marred with injuries.. even Milne who was very fast in his initial years now bowl mostly at 130s due to injuries..

 

[cricketjoshila]

You said it's bcs of our mindset we don't have express bowlers.. so I'm asking you why other countries don't have express bowlers (currently only Nortje and Lockie can be termed as express bowlers in int'l cricket)... It simply means bowling at 95 mph is very hard irrespective of their nationality.. out of Lee, Akhtar, Bond and Tait only Lee had a successful career.. others careers is marred with injuries.. even Milne who was very fast in his initial years now bowl mostly at 130s due to injuries..

I would like to disagree a bit, Wood, Rauf, are express bowlers. May be Starc too. Yes Rauf doesn't play test cricket.

 

[jeetu]

This is from 2003 WC
This is small sample of some of faster bowls which showed speed on screen.

Zaheer Khan (b.1978) 142.9 kph 88.8 mph

Nehra (b.1979)
141.8 kph 88.1 mph
141.8 kph 88.1 mph

Zaheer Khan (b.1978) bowled Taufeeq Umar 143.6 kph 89.2 mph

Srinath (b. 1969) 135 kph 83.9 mph

Kumble (b. 1970) 105.6 kph 65.7mph

Nehra 141.7 kph 88.0 mph

Ganguly (b. 1972) 112.1 kph 69.7 mph

Sehwag (b. 1978) 94.4kph 58.7 mph

Srinath 132.6 kph 82.4 mph

Mongia (b. 1977) 89.2kph 55.4 mph

Zaheer 141 kph 87.7 mph
143.2 kph 89.0 mph no ball yorker to Akram


Wasim (b. 1966) 138.5 kph 86.1 mph
139.4 kph 86.6 mph

Akhtar (b. 1975)
147.9 kph 91.9 mph
150.0 kph 93.2 mph
151.8 kph 94.3 mph
148.8 kph 93.1 mph
150.9 kph 93.8 mph
151.9 kph 94.4 mph
154.1 kph 95.8 mph

Wasim
137.4 kph 85.4mph

Waqar (b. 1971)
140.3 kph 87.2 mph
141.3 kph 87.8 mph (Sehwag wicket)
141.3 kph 87.8 mph (Ganguly wicket)
141.3 kph 87.8 mph next ball

Wasim
137.4 kph 85.4mph Tendulkar drop



Akhtar
152.9 kph 95 mph
155 kph 96.3 mph

Waqar
140.5 kph 87.3 mph


Afridi (b.1980) 106.3 kph 66.1 mph
100 .2 kph 62.2 mph (Kaif wicket)
104.3 kph 64.8 mph (Tendulkar drop)

Razzak (b.1979) 134.3 kph 83.5 mph
136.4 kph 84.8 mph

Akhtar 147.7 kph 91.8 mph
Akhtar 147.3 kph 91.5 mph ( Tendulkar wicket)
Akhtar 155.7 kph 96.7 mph
Akhtar 158.0 kph 98.2 mph (same over)

Wasim-Waqar even at end of career managed to generate about 140 KPH. Akhtar was pretty much close to his fastest back then.
Srinath lost quite a lot of pace too and his career ended soon after.

 

[Smbhayi]

I would like to disagree a bit, Wood, Rauf, are express bowlers. May be Starc too. Yes Rauf doesn't play test cricket.

Forget wood, but he's too have too many injuries.. didn't watch much of Rauf..

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You said it's bcs of our mindset we don't have express bowlers.. so I'm asking you why other countries don't have express bowlers (currently only Nortje and Lockie can be termed as express bowlers in int'l cricket)... It simply means bowling at 95 mph is very hard irrespective of their nationality.. out of Lee, Akhtar, Bond and Tait only Lee had a successful career.. others careers is marred with injuries.. even Milne who was very fast in his initial years now bowl mostly at 130s due to injuries..

Your post actually proves my point further. You don't even want to try bowling fast because it is hard and can make you injured. This was the mentality I was talking about. The names you mentioned actually tried to bowl fast.

 

[Ab Fan]

Umesh Yadav bowled 152.5 kmph to Tilekaratne Dilshan in that Hobart match vs Sri Lanka in 2011. He is the fastest Indian bowler among the successful bowlers.

 

[Sidilicious]

Your post actually proves my point further. You don't even want to try bowling fast because it is hard and can make you injured. This was the mentality I was talking about. The names you mentioned actually tried to bowl fast.

You really have something in your brain that doesn’t make you understand simple concepts. And then when you are proven wrong you ignore the post like plague.

What everyone is saying is as follows
- If Umran Malik can bowl with control and make the ball talk (swing, reverse swing, seam etc) then great. That would be ideal. Bowling 150K while being lethal and if he plays 70 odd tests, he would end up as an ATG
- However, if he is not able to develop control of the ball, and gets smacked around, while trying to bowl fast, it would be preferable that he drops some pace in order to gain control and be lethal. A bowler who can Display Control while making the ball talk at 140-145 is way more lethal than someone who bowls 150K but is wayward.
- one cannot dominate batsman or become an ATG with pure pace. Otherwise Varun Aaron would have been an ATG. Pace without control or skill is useless. However, one can become an ATG without having express pace as long as one has skill and control. McGrath, Steyn, Akram, Imran, Holding, Marshall, Anderson, Donald are examples of this. They bowled 145K or below most of their career

 

[cricketjoshila]

You really have something in your brain that doesn’t make you understand simple concepts. And then when you are proven wrong you ignore the post like plague.

What everyone is saying is as follows
- If Umran Malik can bowl with control and make the ball talk (swing, reverse swing, seam etc) then great. That would be ideal. Bowling 150K while being lethal and if he plays 70 odd tests, he would end up as an ATG
- However, if he is not able to develop control of the ball, and gets smacked around, while trying to bowl fast, it would be preferable that he drops some pace in order to gain control and be lethal. A bowler who can Display Control while making the ball talk at 140-145 is way more lethal than someone who bowls 150K but is wayward.
- one cannot dominate batsman or become an ATG with pure pace. Otherwise Varun Aaron would have been an ATG. Pace without control or skill is useless. However, one can become an ATG without having express pace as long as one has skill and control. McGrath, Steyn, Akram, Imran, Holding, Marshall, Anderson, Donald are examples of this. They bowled 145K or below most of their career

Steyn Holding Marshall were all genuinely quick.

Donald was as quick as Waqar. During the time when waqar was clocked at 153ks, Donald was clocked at 152.9ks in England and SA.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You really have something in your brain that doesn’t make you understand simple concepts. And then when you are proven wrong you ignore the post like plague.

What everyone is saying is as follows
- If Umran Malik can bowl with control and make the ball talk (swing, reverse swing, seam etc) then great. That would be ideal. Bowling 150K while being lethal and if he plays 70 odd tests, he would end up as an ATG
- However, if he is not able to develop control of the ball, and gets smacked around, while trying to bowl fast, it would be preferable that he drops some pace in order to gain control and be lethal. A bowler who can Display Control while making the ball talk at 140-145 is way more lethal than someone who bowls 150K but is wayward.
- one cannot dominate batsman or become an ATG with pure pace. Otherwise Varun Aaron would have been an ATG. Pace without control or skill is useless. However, one can become an ATG without having express pace as long as one has skill and control. McGrath, Steyn, Akram, Imran, Holding, Marshall, Anderson, Donald are examples of this. They bowled 145K or below most of their career

Rather than worrying about my brain maybe you should ask other guys(including yourself) to clear their confusion and make up their mind regarding fast bowling. Which post did I ignore? If you are going to post stupid logics, then do not expect a reply from me.

Me and the other guy were discussing about the mentality but you are now going on a different path. He said pace bowling is hard, he also said bowlers can get injured when they bowl at that pace. You on the other hand prefer bowlers who are ATG not mediocre. You have also come up with a magical number of 70 tests and 150k speed to label any fast bowler as an ATG. So my question to you is how will you decide which bowler is an ATG before he even makes his debut? Weren't you the one who called Shoaib, Bond and Lee mediocre bowlers? Do you think Umran Malik can be better than anyone of those guys?

At the moment most of you are flip-flopping here. Some are even saying that they prefer bowlers in 135-145 but are getting offended when bowlers like Bumrah are called as medium pacer.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Man, you are so clueless!
You know there's a difference between express fast and fast?

This is the category where the likes of Bumrah, Cummins, Rabada( top 3 test bowlers) dwell.

Also someone who bowls in 140s and can clock 145+ isn't a medium pacer.

Did you receive a blow on your head from Rishabh Pant?

As for [MENTION=154144]TheSultan[/MENTION], anyone who thinks Bumrah is a medium pacer is surely trolling.
Philander, Abbas, Shardul - they are medium pacers not Bumrah.

Good strategy by you. Quote the post write some lines, dish out a personal attack in between so mods can't see and then proceed to continue writing your post. It seems my posts are really making you lose your mind. On top of that you expect a reply from me.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

Why does a thread about some random Indian domestic bowler have so much replies?

 

[Sidilicious]

Steyn Holding Marshall were all genuinely quick.

Donald was as quick as Waqar. During the time when waqar was clocked at 153ks, Donald was clocked at 152.9ks in England and SA.

They were all quick, but would not bowl every spell 150+. An occasional spell might be that quick, but the rest would be quick, 145ish. Akhtar, Lee and Bond could bowl more often in that bracket than others.

 

[TheSultan]

This is from 2003 WC
This is small sample of some of faster bowls which showed speed on screen.

Zaheer Khan (b.1978) 142.9 kph 88.8 mph

Nehra (b.1979)
141.8 kph 88.1 mph
141.8 kph 88.1 mph

Zaheer Khan (b.1978) bowled Taufeeq Umar 143.6 kph 89.2 mph

Srinath (b. 1969) 135 kph 83.9 mph

Kumble (b. 1970) 105.6 kph 65.7mph

Nehra 141.7 kph 88.0 mph

Ganguly (b. 1972) 112.1 kph 69.7 mph

Sehwag (b. 1978) 94.4kph 58.7 mph

Srinath 132.6 kph 82.4 mph

Mongia (b. 1977) 89.2kph 55.4 mph

Zaheer 141 kph 87.7 mph
143.2 kph 89.0 mph no ball yorker to Akram


Wasim (b. 1966) 138.5 kph 86.1 mph
139.4 kph 86.6 mph

Akhtar (b. 1975)
147.9 kph 91.9 mph
150.0 kph 93.2 mph
151.8 kph 94.3 mph
148.8 kph 93.1 mph
150.9 kph 93.8 mph
151.9 kph 94.4 mph
154.1 kph 95.8 mph

Wasim
137.4 kph 85.4mph

Waqar (b. 1971)
140.3 kph 87.2 mph
141.3 kph 87.8 mph (Sehwag wicket)
141.3 kph 87.8 mph (Ganguly wicket)
141.3 kph 87.8 mph next ball

Wasim
137.4 kph 85.4mph Tendulkar drop



Akhtar
152.9 kph 95 mph
155 kph 96.3 mph

Waqar
140.5 kph 87.3 mph


Afridi (b.1980) 106.3 kph 66.1 mph
100 .2 kph 62.2 mph (Kaif wicket)
104.3 kph 64.8 mph (Tendulkar drop)

Razzak (b.1979) 134.3 kph 83.5 mph
136.4 kph 84.8 mph

Akhtar 147.7 kph 91.8 mph
Akhtar 147.3 kph 91.5 mph ( Tendulkar wicket)
Akhtar 155.7 kph 96.7 mph
Akhtar 158.0 kph 98.2 mph (same over)

Wasim-Waqar even at end of career managed to generate about 140 KPH. Akhtar was pretty much close to his fastest back then.
Srinath lost quite a lot of pace too and his career ended soon after.

Good research Jeetu.

I hope thise settles that silly debate by master local.dada that Waqar was 135-142. He was bowling 141ks at the very end of his career when he was considered way past his physical prime

 

[jeetu]

Good research Jeetu.

I hope thise settles that silly debate by master local.dada that Waqar was 135-142. He was bowling 141ks at the very end of his career when he was considered way past his physical prime

Thanks.
I started watching since early 80's , so i saw Wasim and Waqar's entire career.
I am pretty sure that Waqar was clocking 150+ kmh during his peak year. Probably only Donald seems slightly quicker but still it was close. Waqar could have clocked 153kph on few occasions at that time. Imran at his peak was quick but not Waqar quick. He may have clocked 150K on his best day. Wasim in his peak bowled above 144KPH but he never looked like 150+ kmh bowler.
A good comparison of bowling speed can be judged 1987 WC semi , where Imran looked faster than Wasim. By 1987 Imran looked slower than his early 80's pace. While Wasim in those days has 2-3 years under his belt , so he was not far from his peak pace.

Long term Pakistani fans may have different views than me. They probably can clarify on it better.

 

[Local.Dada]

Good research Jeetu.

I hope thise settles that silly debate by master local.dada that Waqar was 135-142. He was bowling 141ks at the very end of his career when he was considered way past his physical prime

That doesn’t prove anything. So by the same account Agarkar was hitting upto 142-143 till his last T20 appearances in IPL etc as well does it mean he used to bowl 160+ in his youth?

As I said Waqar was a great bowler and 135-142 average speed is still very quick even more so for those times with the bats, the outdated techniques/approach etc.

Every concrete visual fact we are seeing so far shows he was only 142 max. As I said I buy your theory that he slowed down after surgery because of the video I posted where he was bowling early 130’s. I can give that the benefit of doubt because I have seen Waqar bowl 140ish spells. However apart from speculation and nostalgia nothing proves he was a 155 bowler.

Please provide such spells. As a cricket fan,
I love watching Wasim- Waqar spells of running through line ups.

I can understand as a kid watching stumps fly around you can have that impression. When I was a kid people used to talk about Walsh and Ambrose like some dangerous monster bowlers because of their image. However they where 130-140 bowlers too but doesn’t mean they weren’t great bowlers.

Waqar was a great fast bowler but not express speed demon.

 

[TheSultan]

Thanks.
I started watching since early 80's , so i saw Wasim and Waqar's entire career.
I am pretty sure that Waqar was clocking 150+ kmh during his peak year. Probably only Donald seems slightly quicker but still it was close. Waqar could have clocked 153kph on few occasions at that time. Imran at his peak was quick but not Waqar quick. He may have clocked 150K on his best day. Wasim in his peak bowled above 144KPH but he never looked like 150+ kmh bowler.
A good comparison of bowling speed can be judged 1987 WC semi , where Imran looked faster than Wasim. By 1987 Imran looked slower than his early 80's pace. While Wasim in those days has 2-3 years under his belt , so he was not far from his peak pace.

Long term Pakistani fans may have different views than me. They probably can clarify on it better.

I respect your opinion Jeetu because you have got the stats, you’ve done research, watched and done comparisons.

I may not necessarily agree with everything but I respect it.

Personally I feel Waqar was quicker than Donald 1990-92. I watched the 1993 tri series in South Africa where they were using speed guns. They were still a bit unfair on the quicks there because these days they measure the release of the ball and in those days they measured from release to the ball pitching which takes off a few Ks. Even in that series, the speed rankings were

1. Waqar
2. Donald
3. Ambrose

So in 1993 Waqar was still marginally quicker than Donald and he had already lost half a yard due to his back injury. Over the course of their careers, Donald may have been quicker because he didn’t suffer any serious injuries and maintained his speed for about a decade. Although he did get slower but at a slower rate. By the time the 1998 series between SA and Pakistan came around, both Waqar and Donald looked pedestrian to a young and not even peak shoaib akhtar.

From what I saw Waqar peaked in speed 1990-92 (before the World Cup where he was injured). He lost a yard in 1992, then built it back up to almost half a yard full pace 1993-94. Since then his speed reduced a lot more and he got slower over the years.

When speed guns became the norm in 1999, he was a good 15kph off his fastest.

I agree that wasim was slower, but wasim was the style of bowler where he had certain spells where he would just focus on swing and some when he was serious pace and in those spells he could hit 150k

Imran’s speed probably peaked between 1978 to his absolute fastest in 1983 during the india series. He built himself up to almost full pace from 1986-88. Then there was a dramatic reduction. But yes certainly slower than Waqar.

This is all what from what I’ve seen. But as I said I appreciate your opinion and respect it.

 

[TheSultan]

That doesn’t prove anything. So by the same account Agarkar was hitting upto 142-143 till his last T20 appearances in IPL etc as well does it mean he used to bowl 160+ in his youth?

As I said Waqar was a great bowler and 135-142 average speed is still very quick even more so for those times with the bats, the outdated techniques/approach etc.

Every concrete visual fact we are seeing so far shows he was only 142 max. As I said I buy your theory that he slowed down after surgery because of the video I posted where he was bowling early 130’s. I can give that the benefit of doubt because I have seen Waqar bowl 140ish spells. However apart from speculation and nostalgia nothing proves he was a 155 bowler.

Please provide such spells. As a cricket fan,
I love watching Wasim- Waqar spells of running through line ups.

I can understand as a kid watching stumps fly around you can have that impression. When I was a kid people used to talk about Walsh and Ambrose like some dangerous monster bowlers because of their image. However they where 130-140 bowlers too but doesn’t mean they weren’t great bowlers.

Waqar was a great fast bowler but not express speed demon.

You’re comparing apples and oranges young local.dada. Agarkar never had two serious back injuries like Waqar.

You want some examples

Watch these 2 videos:

1990/91 https://youtu.be/pIC_sM8A02c

2003 World Cup vs India: https://youtu.be/RoS56UUB8eE

Look at the difference in run up, action, athleticism and speed. Are you seriously trying to tell me both those videos Waqar is bowling the same speed?

You have no right to judge Waqar, Ambrose and Walsh speeds at their peaks because speed guns weren’t available then.

You seem to have started watching cricket in 1999 and are probably unaware that speedguns were very rarely used before that.
And as for another silly argument about “ those times with the bats, the outdated techniques/approach etc.”

The bats have no significance when you are bowled / LBW - which was the majority of waqar’s wickets. And techniques, well your ATG idol Tendulkar played in that era too - was his technique outdated too?

 

[Local.Dada]

You’re comparing apples and oranges young local.dada. Agarkar never had two serious back injuries like Waqar.

You want some examples

Watch these 2 videos:

1990/91 https://youtu.be/pIC_sM8A02c

2003 World Cup vs India: https://youtu.be/RoS56UUB8eE

Look at the difference in run up, action, athleticism and speed. Are you seriously trying to tell me both those videos Waqar is bowling the same speed?

You have no right to judge Waqar, Ambrose and Walsh speeds at their peaks because speed guns weren’t available then.

You seem to have started watching cricket in 1999 and are probably unaware that speedguns were very rarely used before that.
And as for another silly argument about “ those times with the bats, the outdated techniques/approach etc.”

The bats have no significance when you are bowled / LBW - which was the majority of waqar’s wickets. And techniques, well your ATG idol Tendulkar played in that era too - was his technique outdated too?

Again the video from the 90’s you posted doesn’t look 150+ to the naked eye. It’s strange you feel that way. We are den sensitized with too many 140 bowlers so clearly that doesn’t look that fast. I saw a Shoaib spell to Ponting or that Shaun Tait Spell vs Pak, or some of Shane Bond spells. that is express fast bowling. A banana inswinging yorker at even 130ks when the batsman is beaten looks lethal. Not implying Waqar was a 130k bowler.

Also I started watching cricket from 1991. I think Waqar was injured around that time so I saw mostly Aquib Javed and Wasim Akram bowl. We didn’t have so much network television that we could get all international matches. First time I saw Waqar vs around 1994 only in one game and he was alright and 2nd time I saw him was 1996 qf. I am pretty sure same is the case for lot of my fellow Indians who grew up in India. Trust me I don’t use that to judge him at all. As I repeatedly said he was a great bowler. Highly skilled and once in a generation.

I think calling him express is a myth. As I said we can’t judge from grainy YouTube videos with no speed technology and determine that as express.

 

[TheSultan]

Again the video from the 90’s you posted doesn’t look 150+ to the naked eye. It’s strange you feel that way. We are den sensitized with too many 140 bowlers so clearly that doesn’t look that fast. I saw a Shoaib spell to Ponting or that Shaun Tait Spell vs Pak, or some of Shane Bond spells. that is express fast bowling. A banana inswinging yorker at even 130ks when the batsman is beaten looks lethal. Not implying Waqar was a 130k bowler.

Also I started watching cricket from 1991. I think Waqar was injured around that time so I saw mostly Aquib Javed and Wasim Akram bowl. We didn’t have so much network television that we could get all international matches. First time I saw Waqar vs around 1994 only in one game and he was alright and 2nd time I saw him was 1996 qf. I am pretty sure same is the case for lot of my fellow Indians who grew up in India. Trust me I don’t use that to judge him at all. As I repeatedly said he was a great bowler. Highly skilled and once in a generation.

I think calling him express is a myth. As I said we can’t judge from grainy YouTube videos with no speed technology and determine that as express.

Apologies young local.dad, I didn’t realise your eyesight was that bad at such a young age. Maybe when you get the right prescription glasses (shoulda gone specsavers son) you may be able to see that the “grainy” footage does allow you to see the difference in run up, action, athleticism which obv improves overall velocity.

 

[gazza619]

There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that at their peak and prior to major injuries (Waqar’s back) or health issues ( Wasim’s diabetes) both Wasim & Waqar were super duper express (150 kph +). That is in a nutshell.

Don’t take my word, just watch and listen to the views of the some of the greats of the game. I will not give any importance to the keyboard warriors and self proclaimed experts of pakpassion.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is not a shadow of doubt in my mind that at their peak and prior to major injuries (Waqar’s back) or health issues ( Wasim’s diabetes) both Wasim & Waqar were super duper express (150 kph +). That is in a nutshell.

Don’t take my word, just watch and listen to the views of the some of the greats of the game. I will not give any importance to the keyboard warriors and self proclaimed experts of pakpassion.

Wasim was not 150k plus bowler, he was more of a early to mid 140s bowler. Even in early 90s when Waqar was clocked 150k plus, no one mentioned Wasim in the same league.

Waqar was clocked 150ks quiet a few times though, in England,SA,NZ. The highest clocked speed was 153ks, in england and SA. So thats the top speed of Waqar. Donald was clocked at 152.9ks in 1998.

Greats of the game cannot gauge the speed of the ball, its a technological thing.

You need to read a few things on this.


https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283875.html

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html


These are from early 2000s. When everyone started digging around for speed records.

 

[Local.Dada]

Wasim was not 150k plus bowler, he was more of a early to mid 140s bowler. Even in early 90s when Waqar was clocked 150k plus, no one mentioned Wasim in the same league.

Waqar was clocked 150ks quiet a few times though, in England,SA,NZ. The highest clocked speed was 153ks, in england and SA. So thats the top speed of Waqar. Donald was clocked at 152.9ks in 1998.

Greats of the game cannot gauge the speed of the ball, its a technological thing.

You need to read a few things on this.


https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283875.html

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html


These are from early 2000s. When everyone started digging around for speed records.

Let me ask you a serious question. Apart from stats speculation etc, in any game you watched Waqar live, have you ever seen him hit 150 k?

I never have. That’s why it’s tough for me to buy that he was a consistent 155+ bowler like people are claiming.

 

[TheSultan]

Wasim was not 150k plus bowler, he was more of a early to mid 140s bowler. Even in early 90s when Waqar was clocked 150k plus, no one mentioned Wasim in the same league.

Waqar was clocked 150ks quiet a few times though, in England,SA,NZ. The highest clocked speed was 153ks, in england and SA. So thats the top speed of Waqar. Donald was clocked at 152.9ks in 1998.

Greats of the game cannot gauge the speed of the ball, its a technological thing.

You need to read a few things on this.


https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/283875.html

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/records/95065.html


These are from early 2000s. When everyone started digging around for speed records.

Good links - and it just goes to show that even in 2001 Waqar clocked 147.4k ~ 92mph (I actually watched that whole spell live at lords and saw every speed pop up. Rare sustained spell of pace towards the end of his career.

Even wasim is on that list at 145k in 1993. I am pretty sure wasim clocked 94mph in 2001 (but it might have been an abberation).

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that Waqar was easily 150k+ (most likely 155k) 1990-1993.

And it’s not beyond the realms of possibility that wasim hit 150 on a few occasions between 1989-92, but yes his top pace probably hovered around 145/147k. But with his talent you didn’t need much else. On a side note, NZ had pretty primitive speed guns in the 1992 WC and in the pak v NZ match one of the kiwi commentators said Wasim has been the quickest of this World Cup

 

[MenInG]

Umran Malik:

I try to work plans for different batsmen, whether it's slower balls, yorkers or bouncers. Rest is upto God how the plans work or not. The advice (from Steyn) is to have plans and to execute them well. It's a honour to work with a legend like him. I talk a lot to Bhuvi Bhai (Bhuvneshwar), Nattu (Natarajan) and Jansen. They are all such great bowlers and they help on what to do, and not to do. Gameplan is normal (for Hardik), just to keep things simple.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Umran Malik:

I try to work plans for different batsmen, whether it's slower balls, yorkers or bouncers. Rest is upto God how the plans work or not. The advice (from Steyn) is to have plans and to execute them well. It's a honour to work with a legend like him. I talk a lot to Bhuvi Bhai (Bhuvneshwar), Nattu (Natarajan) and Jansen. They are all such great bowlers and they help on what to do, and not to do. Gameplan is normal (for Hardik), just to keep things simple.

He should stay away from Bhuvi and Nattu if he is serious about becoming and most importantly remaining an express fast bowler.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Let me ask you a serious question. Apart from stats speculation etc, in any game you watched Waqar live, have you ever seen him hit 150 k?

I never have. That’s why it’s tough for me to buy that he was a consistent 155+ bowler like people are claiming.

1996 England, he was hitting 150ks. The commies on air said that he is bowling 150ks on the speed gun.

He wasn't a 155 plus bowler.

 

[Villager6964]

Umran malik
Ist over vs gujrat
144 147 147 144 145 152
He bowls an occasional 150 plus ball.

 

[Villager6964]

2nd over vs gujrat
144 147 144 missed three balls.

 

[Villager6964]

Umran is gonna be a superstar.
So heartening to see a guy from our region doing so well.

 

[Villager6964]

Umran malik already the fastest bowler India has ever produced.

 

[Villager6964]

Umran is on fire. Another wicket for the fastest pacer.

 

[Villager6964]

First 5er for upcoming superstar.
His stocks are gonna be skyrocket now.
What a performance. 5 wickets in middle overs in a T20 game. That's just brilliant.

 

[Saurav]

takes 5fer on a patta where everyone got smoked,even Rashid and Lockie

 

[Villager6964]

Umran's gonna be in Indian team very soon.
He has bowled with so much control.
Dale Steyn has done wonders with umran.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He is getting late movement. And at that pace, its difficult for the batsman.

 

[Saj]

15 wickets in 8 matches at an average of 15.93 and an economy rate of 7.93.

Very impressive numbers especially for someone so inexperienced.