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[VIDEOS] Justice for Sahibzada Farhan: what did he do wrong?

An opportunity for SaF let's see if he can avail it , though PSL is some levels above National T20
 
Kianig89 said:
Yes he failed to score 160 in 60, does that make Shaibzada better than Babar (the mentor of Saim).
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100% it makes Sahibzada better than Babar.

What year do you think it is? 2020? Where you can’t say things like Warner is better than Babar or get ready for cricket blasphemy in Pakistan??

Get your head out of the sand! Babar is not a T20 player/opener! Deal with it!
 
Farabi said:
Show me the data. What domestic cricket stats support your conclusion?

Can you provide performance data for all domestic batters including SFarhan against 140 kph+ in this and the previous season to prove there are better alternatives?

Or do you have no data and are just making this up?

Keep it short—just the data.
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As expected, no data.
Thing is is that you should get data of Pakistani youngsters against 140 kph, and actually prove it to yourself that there are indeed better players of pace, and then come back here and convince us.
 
Farabi said:
Show me the data. What domestic cricket stats support your conclusion?

Can you provide performance data for all domestic batters including SFarhan against 140 kph+ in this and the previous season to prove there are better alternatives?

Or do you have no data and are just making this up?

Keep it short—just the data.
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What data do you want? Like how are you gonna make a conditional statement that "X player is great against 140k+ pace, find out his average"?

You don't get it.

That is how players are scouted, at least in proper cricketing countries.

We are feeding crap players against pace to the national team - here I have on data for you -- why do you think Farhan, Khushdil, Niazi, and that one other new guy -- they are all duds at the international level so far?

Even though they might have great domestic stats?

One thing in common -- all struggle big time against pace bowling. Pace always hurries them. They are not quick to pick fast deliveries and play them on merit or smash it.
 
Hawkeye said:
What data do you want? Like how are you gonna make a conditional statement that "X player is great against 140k+ pace, find out his average"?

You don't get it.

That is how players are scouted, at least in proper cricketing countries.

We are feeding crap players against pace to the national team - here I have on data for you -- why do you think Farhan, Khushdil, Niazi, and that one other new guy -- they are all duds at the international level so far?

Even though they might have great domestic stats?

One thing in common -- all struggle big time against pace bowling. Pace always hurries them. They are not quick to pick fast deliveries and play them on merit or smash it.
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I'm not claiming that our batters are more skilled than those from SENA or India.

What I am saying is that we need to analyze the stats of Pakistani domestic batters against the domestic bowling they regularly face and see if viable alternatives exist. My guess is that the overall batting standard against pace is equally poor.
 
Hawkeye said:
What data do you want? Like how are you gonna make a conditional statement that "X player is great against 140k+ pace, find out his average"?

You don't get it.

That is how players are scouted, at least in proper cricketing countries.

We are feeding crap players against pace to the national team - here I have on data for you -- why do you think Farhan, Khushdil, Niazi, and that one other new guy -- they are all duds at the international level so far?

Even though they might have great domestic stats?

One thing in common -- all struggle big time against pace bowling. Pace always hurries them. They are not quick to pick fast deliveries and play them on merit or smash it.
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Also above is performance by batters against 140 kph+

As you can see, this is already happening. Usman Khan, Haris, Shadab and Khusdil Shah are already playing. And we saw where they stand.

Who you are suggesting, Azam Khan, is even worse against 140 kph+

My point is you’re just floating opinions with no data analysis.
 

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Time to give him a run in Bangladesh series... No way he can miss that series.. PCB selectors cannot make a bigger blunder if he is ignored.
 
Farabi said:
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Also above is performance by batters against 140 kph+

As you can see, this is already happening. Usman Khan, Haris, Shadab and Khusdil Shah are already playing. And we saw where they stand.

Who you are suggesting, Azam Khan, is even worse against 140 kph+

My point is you’re just floating opinions with no data analysis.
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If you went by that list, Rizwan, Shan Masood, Abdullah Shafique, Shadab and Khushdil would be world beaters and the best batsmen in the world in white ball cricket!!

They all are actually the worst in Pakistan right now.

That's why the stats are so misleading without you actually looking at someone's game play.


Only Haris, Saim and Fakhar are good in that list.
 
Hawkeye said:
If you went by that list, Rizwan, Shan Masood, Abdullah Shafique, Shadab and Khushdil would be world beaters and the best batsmen in the world in white ball cricket!!

They all are actually the worst in Pakistan right now.

That's why the stats are so misleading without you actually looking at someone's game play.


Only Haris, Saim and Fakhar are good in that list.
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You said earlier “If there’s another batsman in the same tournament who has strong reflexes against 140kph+ bowlers”

This data i shared is performance against 140 kph+ deliveries ONLY.

And as you can see many of these batters good against 140 kph are actually pretty average anyway.

Batting exclusively against 140 kph tells us nothing, is what this data is saying, you need to look at this wholistically
 
Farabi said:
You said earlier “If there’s another batsman in the same tournament who has strong reflexes against 140kph+ bowlers”

This data i shared is performance against 140 kph+ deliveries ONLY.

And as you can see many of these batters good against 140 kph are actually pretty average anyway.

Batting exclusively against 140 kph tells us nothing, is what this data is saying, you need to look at this wholistically
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Again, you are proving my point that stats are meaningless and do NOT show the whole picture.

You are again looking at "average".

You are not looking at how the person scores, can he absolutely smash fast bowlers? This includes having a range of shots and not just blindly swinging the bat at long on and cow corner.
 
Hawkeye said:
Again, you are proving my point that stats are meaningless and do NOT show the whole picture.

You are again looking at "average".

You are not looking at how the person scores, can he absolutely smash fast bowlers? This includes having a range of shots and not just blindly swinging the bat at long on and cow corner.
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sahibzada is a tailender against anything over 135k+ and that is a proven fact.
 
jamie smith fan said:
sahibzada is a tailender against anything over 135k+ and that is a proven fact.
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So far that is what he has shown.

But based on his domestic performances there's nothing wrong in giving him another chance in T20s.

Most likely he will fail against pacers but let's see.
 
Our domestic cricket never gave us a single elite level batter in our entire history of cricket and all our batting legends started young as an international cricketer and learned the art of batting by playing International or county cricket, name me a single elite batter in our history of cricket who is a product of our domestic cricket and debut at the age of 26/27+ with lots of FC matches and no county cricket experience under his belt.
The closest thing we got was Misbah ul Haq in tests but no way he was an elite batter in ODIs.
 
We have to go back to the drawing board and select 5/6 U19 batters in international cricket and let them sink or swim and if they get some success then let them play county cricket and we will develop another couple of batters like Saim Ayub in couple of years.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Our domestic cricket never gave us a single elite level batter in our entire history of cricket and all our batting legends started young as an international cricketer and learned the art of batting by playing International or county cricket, name me a single elite batter in our history of cricket who is a product of our domestic cricket and debut at the age of 26/27+ with lots of FC matches and no county cricket experience under his belt.
The closest thing we got was Misbah ul Haq in tests but no way he was an elite batter in ODIs.
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You're here since 2006 and I'm glad you are getting things right. Not many posts, you should post often!
 
We developed Salman Butt this way and even though he was very thin in talent but still developed in to a decent batter for us.
 
The worrying thing about domestic cricket is that we are not getting good pacers and spinners which we used to get in abundant and this is the real death of Pak cricket because we always relied on our bowlers to win matches.
 
Still looking like headless chicken under lights against pace?
 
He is a good ball striker. His problem is lack of strike-rotation. Needs to work on that aspect in a major way otherwise there is no point. You can't eat up so many dot balls in this format at the top of the order.
 
Since his comeback in 2024 in t20 cricket he played 6 matches.

3 at the top of the order
1 at number 3
1 at number 5
1 at number 7

its unfair to play out of position so much.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Since his comeback in 2024 in t20 cricket he played 6 matches.

3 at the top of the order
1 at number 3
1 at number 5
1 at number 7

its unfair to play out of position so much.
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He should be opening he's an opener but many times he's played out of position to accommodate babar and rizwan.

If farhan can replicate his perfomance in international cricket should be used as a back up option for saim or fakhar
 
emranabbas said:
He should be opening he's an opener but many times he's played out of position to accommodate babar and rizwan.

If farhan can replicate his perfomance in international cricket should be used as a back up option for saim or fakhar
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Saim
Fakhar
Sahibzada
Harris
Nawaz

That’s your opener’s pool.

Draw a line here.
 
Rana said:
Saim
Fakhar
Sahibzada
Harris
Nawaz

That’s your opener’s pool.

Draw a line here.
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At the moment Fakhar is furthest down the list. He doesn't have long left in his career either due to age. We can keep him in the middle and try the others as openers.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
At the moment Fakhar is furthest down the list. He doesn't have long left in his career either due to age. We can keep him in the middle and try the others as openers.
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Whether he’s up on the list. Or down the list. This is the list.
 
Rana said:
Sahibzada Farhan was selected to represent Pakistan on the back of excellent performances. In the recently concluded National T20 cup, Sahibzada’s performance:

-492 runs at a strike rate of 179!
-4x 50s and 1x100. Top score of 109*
-29 sixes at 9.4 balls per six!

At the PSL9

-288 runs at an average of 38.00 and a strike rate of 133
-3x 50s

In my honest opinion, the guy was deservedly picked to represent Pakistan. He has matured and improved massively as a batsman, yet he was given 2 games on the NZ tour where he was batted at 5 and 7! Even in his last T20 for Pakistan where he batted at 7, he made a reasonable contribution of 19 from 14 balls, Pakistan won this game.

I cannot understand what exactly has this guy done wrong to not be considered right now? He hasn’t even been given a proper chance to show why he should or should not represent Pakistan in T20 cricket. For what reason must he suffer this injustice? Pakistan have been well behind International top sides when it comes to modern batting approach, they have tried to change their batting order to meet these demands, but then why can’t one of your performing cricketers not be given a fair opportunity to show that they can sort this issue out for you?
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mominsaigol said:
Pakistan needs to stop selecting openers

We have middle order bats with haris, Tayyab, Shadab, Imad etc more then happy to play down the order

Why couldnt we send a team of

1) Saim Ayub
2) Fakhar/ Sahibzada
3) Usman Khan
4) Tayyab Tahir
5) Imad wasim
6) Shadab Khan
7) Muhammad Haris (Wk)
8) Shaheen
9) Naseem
10) Amir
11) Abrar

^^ theirs your t20 11? All based on merit via psl? Only person not on merit is fakhar, but he can't be dropped due to his reputation?

Do babar, Rizwan and chacha have to play against Uganda too? Let's organise a tour against Uganda.
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sahibzada should sent as a opener in t20i also
 
aqibcric said:
sahibzada should sent as a opener in t20i also
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Not suited for T20. Leagues are not the same as International.

Farhan overall has the same sr in t20 as Ba/riz.

But he 100% should be pur test opener. Crazy how the likes of hurraira, Shan, Imam and Abdullah get favoured over him in test cricket.
 
salman ali agha also in team
mominsaigol said:
Not suited for T20. Leagues are not the same as International.

Farhan overall has the same sr in t20 as Ba/riz.

But he 100% should be pur test opener. Crazy how the likes of hurraira, Shan, Imam and Abdullah get favoured over him in test cricket.
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He has work a lot at his strike rate and approach
 
9 international matches in 7 years is very small sample size.

He is unluckily to have played so little Int Cricket in last 7 years.

His Domestic Record in all formats is quite good which is rare for any Pakistan Cricketer even if you count Babar Azam, M Rizwan, Saud Shakeel, Abdullah Shafique, Kamran Ghulam, Saim Ayub, Fakhar Zaman or domestic giant of the recent past Fawad Alam.

Consistent Scorer so he should be in the National Mix for all three formats for sure given the dearth of options we have.


I am Sorry but it's time to close chapter of International Cricket for Usman Khan & Tayyab Tahir.
 
someone still needs to tell me what's he done wrong?

don't give me this BS "i have eye for talent and he's hack"
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
9 international matches in 7 years is very small sample size.

He is unluckily to have played so little Int Cricket in last 7 years.

His Domestic Record in all formats is quite good which is rare for any Pakistan Cricketer even if you count Babar Azam, M Rizwan, Saud Shakeel, Abdullah Shafique, Kamran Ghulam, Saim Ayub, Fakhar Zaman or domestic giant of the recent past Fawad Alam.

Consistent Scorer so he should be in the National Mix for all three formats for sure given the dearth of options we have.


I am Sorry but it's time to close chapter of International Cricket for Usman Khan & Tayyab Tahir.
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Usman is fine

He will be a great pick for home/Asian conditions

Just trust him.
 
Our people have gold fish memories.

Never judge batting talent on the basis of PSL, specially when the opposition had literally no bowler.

From the range of shots and his struggles vs pace, this Farhan guy looks as bad as Rizwan and he will prove it again if given a chance in international T20s. Failed already.

It is completely fine for a talented player to keep failing at the international level when just starting out. You keep giving them chances because they show the signs that they can handle good quality pace bowling, have quick reflexes, a range of shots. Like Saim Ayub.

Unfortunately, Sahibzada Farhan isn’t really that guy and he struggles vs pace.

Today he faced no bowler, all part timers or nobodies. Don’t judge anything. Even RIZWAN scored a 100 just the other day in PSL, one of the worst cricketing standards among any leagues.
 
Barragan said:
I like the scoop he is playing now and that shows me the guy is willing to work on his game and add extra shots to his locker

I wish he was playing in the PSL and we could see where he is at now
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I'm glad he was picked up in the PSL

The guy showed improvements in the national T20 cup and he looks much better now

He should definitely return to the national side as an opener

Proper hitter
 
Hawkeye said:
Our people have gold fish memories.

Never judge batting talent on the basis of PSL, specially when the opposition had literally no bowler.

From the range of shots and his struggles vs pace, this Farhan guy looks as bad as Rizwan and he will prove it again if given a chance in international T20s. Failed already.

It is completely fine for a talented player to keep failing at the international level when just starting out. You keep giving them chances because they show the signs that they can handle good quality pace bowling, have quick reflexes, a range of shots. Like Saim Ayub.

Unfortunately, Sahibzada Farhan isn’t really that guy and he struggles vs pace.

Today he faced no bowler, all part timers or nobodies. Don’t judge anything. Even RIZWAN scored a 100 just the other day in PSL, one of the worst cricketing standards among any leagues.
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On what basis should players be selected then?
 
Kianig89 said:
Once again people will be fooled by these innings in a low level T20 tournament where had beens like Yasir Shah are captaining side.
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I’m agnostic when it comes to his batting credentials but this is beautiful.

Your beloved Babar scored 1 and the guy you’re dissing scored a very good hundred.

Not the first time you’ve been left with egg on your face.
 
Farabi said:
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Also above is performance by batters against 140 kph+

As you can see, this is already happening. Usman Khan, Haris, Shadab and Khusdil Shah are already playing. And we saw where they stand.

Who you are suggesting, Azam Khan, is even worse against 140 kph+

My point is you’re just floating opinions with no data analysis.
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How do you filter it by pace ?
 
Pakistan should give chance to Farhan, usman khan, Haris against Bangladesh where they will Play 5 T20 .

If they will not perform than close these justice thread permanently.

:kp
 
This thread is a classic example of even a broken clock is correct twice every 24 hours

Rana has creates so many justice threads. It wAs about time
 
I feel bad for this guy. He has suffered cause of Imam.
 
gazza619 said:
This thread is a classic example of even a broken clock is correct twice every 24 hours

Rana has creates so many justice threads. It wAs about time
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The Rizwan & Babar clock is always stuck in the number 6 and number 9 positions; chal cake cut leh.
 
Rana said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1911453677036196280

This is the impact of a proper international standard coach.

This one is for you Mike Hesson!
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Farhan is not perfect, and the PSL is not the best quality at times; but even by those standards this was a good knock and a great coach maximises the potential of his players and squeezes as much as he can possibly out of them. Players like Saim come once in a blue moon, but there are more players like Farhan out there and those with the right attitude need that extra help/attention to get to the next level. Pak can’t even get the most of some of their high profile stars who are meant to be generational talents; we should query why that is, and what more can we do to ensure the success of players like Farhan is not sabotaged.
 
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