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[VIDEOS] "Mohammad Haris has not performed well, which is why he could not be included in the Pakistan squad": Ahmed Shehzad

So the guy who has his friends in media drum up a campaign for his return every few months, is talking about media campaigns to promote Haris? Ironic to say the least.
 
In Pakistan you either get rank conservatism or SR/intent mafia. There is no middle ground. It's great to see confidence in young players like Haris. But it feels like certain players take social media buzz and Instagram reel edits too seriously. Yeah we get it kid...you got talent and can play some cool shots. It means nothing if you don't keep evolving as a player. And I really hope that these young players coming through the system somehow learn not to read too much into the love and adoration they may get from fans online. Because sub-continental fans and especially Pakistani fans are about as fickle as they come. The same people cheering for Haris today will be burning his effigies on the street tomorrow.

Learn from the best, focus on your own game and keep evolving, instead of painting yourself as a victim and making enemies this early in your career.
 
I am sick & tired of Ahmed Shehzad making the world of Pakistan Cricket media all about of himself.

He is definitely obsessed with the national team as he feels he got discarded with reason. Sure his test numbers are goodish, however he was appalling in the other formats. He clearly didn't understand the correct criticism on his game.

He had many weaknesses & I mean many weaknesses, but the worst of all was his attitude. It just stank.

Ahmed Shehzad is the reason, Ahmed Shehzad failed in International Cricket.

As for M.Haris, he clearly has areas to improve, but fortunately has plenty of time to do so. He just needs to be disciplined, attentive & positive.

Feels like, theirs a lot of noise about the kid in the last few weeks.
 
TeymurBlake said:
I am sick & tired of Ahmed Shehzad making the world of Pakistan Cricket media all about of himself.

He is definitely obsessed with the national team as he feels he got discarded with reason. Sure his test numbers are goodish, however he was appalling in the other formats. He clearly didn't understand the correct criticism on his game.

He had many weaknesses & I mean many weaknesses, but the worst of all was his attitude. It just stank.

Ahmed Shehzad is the reason, Ahmed Shehzad failed in International Cricket.

As for M.Haris, he clearly has areas to improve, but fortunately has plenty of time to do so. He just needs to be disciplined, attentive & positive.

Feels like, theirs a lot of noise about the kid in the last few weeks.
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Tbh, I'd rather have him then Shan Masood of all people in test.
 
Ahmed Shehzad deserves a place in PSL. It’s unbelievable with so many mediocre players playing in PSL, how can he not get into any team.
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
You asked for a consistent player with a strike rate of 140+ and I gave you that.

Those 5 international games consist of 3 back in 2018 where he should’ve been given a longer rope and 2 this year where he came in at number 5 and 7, an opener coming in at number 5 and 7. And, you’re judging him based on that?

Now, I want you to ignore the above and address what’s written below.

Mohammad Rizwan played 25 games before T20i debut, here’s what he did in the 3 T20 domestic cups leading up to his selection.

2012/13 Cup - 4 innings, 23 average with a strike rate of 87.

2013/14 Cup - 6 innings 35 average, with a strike rate of 112.

2014/15 Cup - 3 innings, 24 average with a strike rate of 104.

Looking at those stats, did that warrant his selection into the T20 team?

Why does everyone else have to grind it out in domestic and be consistent when Rizwan himself wasn’t?
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Did Rizwan play for Pak permanently since 2017? He was not ready, he grinded and then came back as a better player in 2020, a poor player like Haris wants to play 2 innings for 20 runs and get a lifetime free ride
 
Ahmed216 said:
Did Rizwan play for Pak permanently since 2017? He was not ready, he grinded and then came back as a better player in 2020, a poor player like Haris wants to play 2 innings for 20 runs and get a lifetime free ride
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Bro the issue isn't merit and non merit. I'd agree with you for Haris IF PCB ACTUALLY HAD MERIT BASED SELECTIONS.

Haris did not merit a place over rizwan, Usman and Azam based of the psl, but when azam got injured, on what basis was hasebullah brought in? Hasebullah has been brought in solely due to balochi representation.

Afterwards, On what basis was babar given captaincy again? Did he win PSL? Or show that he had improved as a captain? What about Shan Masood? On what basis is a player who's been the worst test player for Pakistan in the past decade get captaincy?

Genuinely speaking, everyone knows this forumn talks about selections as if their on the PCB board and know what merit is based on?

Here are some of past decisons of this board since 2013

1) Randomly Umar Amin a debutant is made vice captain and is now considered a future captain even before making his debut?

2) Imran farhat is brought back and made an Opener of a Champions trophy? Why? Based of what?

3) Azhar Ali a dude who hasn't been in the Odi squad for 4 years is now made captain and is front opener for the next 2 years, Again credit to Azhar for performing against bamgaldesh and in CT, but what was the basis of captaincy? I can understand selection based of test form? What's the basis for captaincy?

4) Umar Akmal and Jamshed were frontline as keeper and opening batsmen over sarfraz in 2015 despite sarfi being the top scorer in both avg and Sr in the Australian odi series, Again what was the basis of Jamshed who in 6 games couldn't even get a double digit score, hold onto a catch and fitness wise resembled the shape of a baloon? It was dead clear based of domestic form he was finished and 2014 merited a drop?

5) Then afterwards, On what basis did shehzad get selected for the millionth time in the CT sqaud? He got rightfully dropped in 2016, Sami aslam came and outperformed him but then straight after, Shehzad gets chosen again? And sami gets dropped after one game?

6) Then in 2020, Imam gets to be t20 opener? Why? He was struggling to even get into the Psl? Shehzad and akmal are brought back? And again why? What psl miracles did they pull? Why did Muhammad irfan come back?

7) Rizwan got made t20 opener, Okay fair enough he has some good innings at opening and the experiment worked to an extent, Fine, But on what basis was he made opener in the first place? Based of a random domestic phase. He had been a failure in the middle order and the t20 side was ranked no 1, their was no basis of him being selected as an opener? People are acting as if he didn't get it randomly.

8) Tayyab Tahir gets called in the ODI squad based of his acc performance where he outperformed everyone including the likes of saim ayub, Farhan, Omair bin yousaf, Muhammad haris etc, But got dropped with zero notice? No games? Was literally dropped for warming the bench? And now he isn't even in kakul pool of 29? But hasebullah and Irfan niazi are?

9) On what basis were chacha and asif brought back? Asif was dropped and chacha was never frontline and was a nobody in psl? I can understand khusdil shah and haider ali cause even though they failed in international, they had amazing domestic performances so fair, But what did asif and chacha do? Infact what has chacha done since his inclusion? He has 4 notable innings in 4 years of his career?

10) Babar and Rizwan were laughing stocks in 2022, but why are they treated like Kings? At the very least they warranted a rest period due to poor performance and be reminded that they aren't > the law, performances matter, but their was no punishment given? While imad was dropped in 2021 fir nawaz? Again why? Why can 2 people have bad tournaments but that rule doesn't apply to Imad despite imad have a solid 2017 and 2019?

^^ I can go on and on but you get the point. The rules have never been consistent, PCB does not operate on who performs and who doesn't.

Even in other boards like Australia, Sure they didn't take mcfraser which I find wrong, but at the very least they've made it dead set clear that mcfraser will replace Warner in t20 after this and he will be full time. They don't want to take a risk on the eve of a cup, as I said it's a wrong decison but mcfraser is getting a respite afterwards.

Same with bcci treatment of sanju during 202r wc, now he's frontline over rahul

So why wasn't tayyab given this respite?

You guys need to stop acting like you're PCB and babar and rizwan are on merit lol. Theirs no such thing with this silly board.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Did Rizwan play for Pak permanently since 2017? He was not ready, he grinded and then came back as a better player in 2020, a poor player like Haris wants to play 2 innings for 20 runs and get a lifetime free ride
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He had 10 games from 2015 - 2016, failed to secure his spot.

He made a return to the squad in 2019.

Did he grind? I had a look at the stats between 2016 - 2019😂

PSL 2016 - 5 innings - 25 Average - 127 Strike Rate.

PSL 2017 - 7 innings - 26 Average - 121 Strike Rate.

T20 Cup 17/18 - 2 innings - 18 Average - 100 Strike Rate

PSL 2018 - 6 innings - 22 Average - 117 Strike Rate

PSL 2019 - 5 innings - 19 Average - 96 Strike Rate.

Where’s the grinding?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
He had 10 games from 2015 - 2016, failed to secure his spot.

He made a return to the squad in 2019.

Did he grind? I had a look at the stats between 2016 - 2019😂

PSL 2016 - 5 innings - 25 Average - 127 Strike Rate.

PSL 2017 - 7 innings - 26 Average - 121 Strike Rate.

T20 Cup 17/18 - 2 innings - 18 Average - 100 Strike Rate

PSL 2018 - 6 innings - 22 Average - 117 Strike Rate

PSL 2019 - 5 innings - 19 Average - 96 Strike Rate.

Where’s the grinding?
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FC , List A, domestic T20.
Check his stats and compare them to Sahibazada
 
Ahmed216 said:
T20 career stats. And why would anyone want to replace Rizwan by Farhan who's clearly not superior to former?
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With the T20 career stats I’ve given you, does it look like he averaged 40+ with a high strike rate? I’ve given you the PSL stats + the domestic cup stats.

I mentioned farhan because you asked for someone who was consistent with a high strike rate
 
YousafTheBeast said:
With the T20 career stats I’ve given you, does it look like he averaged 40+ with a high strike rate? I’ve given you the PSL stats + the domestic cup stats.

I mentioned farhan because you asked for someone who was consistent with a high strike rate
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But Farhan's career strike rate is 129 at a much lower average than Rizwan. 20 teams played in the 2023 National T20 and the bowling standard was very poor.
 
Ahmed216 said:
But Farhan's career strike rate is 129 at a much lower average than Rizwan. 20 teams played in the 2023 National T20 and the bowling standard was very poor.
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Ok but how does that justify Rizwan’s selection? Do you think from the stats I gave you off Rizwan that he deserved to be picked in the T20 team?
 
YousafTheBeast said:
Ok but how does that justify Rizwan’s selection? Do you think from the stats I gave you off Rizwan that he deserved to be picked in the T20 team?
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Only the selectors can answer that not me.
May be Rizwan did not deserve to be picked in 2015.
But Rizwan was doing very well batting in top order for KPK for couple of seasons before being picked in 2020. Not a fan of Misbah but he did get this one right
 
Ahmed216 said:
Only the selectors can answer that not me.
May be Rizwan did not deserve to be picked in 2015.
But Rizwan was doing very well batting in top order for KPK for couple of seasons before being picked in 2020. Not a fan of Misbah but he did get this one right
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No Misbah did not get this one right lol.

Look rizwan isn't a bad batsmen but he and babar are horribly misplaced in t20.

Rizwan is a test bat, and in odi he and babar are an eye sore but only one of him and babar shpuld play odi, not both of them
 
Pakistan don't have much talent in batting powerhitter dept. especially against pace bowler.

But this guy has potential. Much more than Babar, Usman and Riswan type batters.

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He can hit good length and back of length against pace. Also has high strike rate vs. 140 high speed. Both Babar and Rizwan also have only 110 strike rate type against good length
 
Rana said:
Where did you get this from?

Also, situations matter. Babar and Rizwan are playing a lot more powerplay deliveries, more deliveries in general. Plus, these statistics don’t explain the quality of bowling faced by all 3 batsmen.
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Yes, this is only indicator. Not perfect. But that's why Babar, Rizwan struggle to score quick in PP.

They can't hit spin and can't hit good length pace bowling.

Don't know if sharing source allowed in this forum
 
Hellion said:
Yes, this is only indicator. Not perfect. But that's why Babar, Rizwan struggle to score quick in PP.

They can't hit spin and can't hit good length pace bowling.

Don't know if sharing source allowed in this forum
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its allowed!
 
Something sinister took place that meant Haris went from rated talent to Emerging captain to dropped entirely.

His exclusion has nothing to do with stats or form. It's personal.

I can only think he was excluded to allow Azam to play.
 
Mohammad Harris has been the biggest bust in Pakistan cricket.

Guy just doesnt know how to bat, he thinks he is De Villiers in his head and ends up throwing his wicket.
 
Major said:
Mohammad Harris has been the biggest bust in Pakistan cricket.

Guy just doesnt know how to bat, he thinks he is De Villiers in his head and ends up throwing his wicket.
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He needs a stint at SNGPL under the pupilage of Misbah to resurrect his career
 
mominsaigol said:
23 and 29 Fc and List A avg on Pakistan soil is very poor.
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Exactly and people are crying for his inclusion like he is some Ab Devilliers or Adam Gilchrist...

Haris is far for the squad atm. His performances are not worth it so No need to cry for him
 
mominsaigol said:
23 and 29 Fc and List A avg on Pakistan soil is very poor.
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Rashid Latif played a 166 ODI games with a 19 average and 37 Test matches with a 29 average.
Kamran Akmal 157 ODI with a 26 average and 31 average in Tests along with amongst the worst wicketkeeper in the history of cricket.
Moin Khan 23 ODI average 28.5 AVG in Tests.

Pakistan's history with wicketkeepers is littered with mediocrity anyways.
Haris 30 List A average is fine considering he plays in the bottom order. It's worth mentioning his SR is an impressive 107 and amongst the best in Pakistan domestically. Considering Pakistan's batting lineup is littered with accumulators, there should be an opportunity to incorporate a higher SR like him in your bottom order even if it comes at the expense of a lower average.

Haris FC average is bad but he's only played 14 innings. If PCB had any brains or sense how to develop your players, the FC teams would play him more often considering he does have potential and the wicketkeepers in the domestics are all garbage outside of a couple of guys.
 
Nasty Naz said:
Rashid Latif played a 166 ODI games with a 19 average and 37 Test matches with a 29 average.
Kamran Akmal 157 ODI with a 26 average and 31 average in Tests along with amongst the worst wicketkeeper in the history of cricket.
Moin Khan 23 ODI average 28.5 AVG in Tests.

Pakistan's history with wicketkeepers is littered with mediocrity anyways.
Haris 30 List A average is fine considering he plays in the bottom order. It's worth mentioning his SR is an impressive 107 and amongst the best in Pakistan domestically. Considering Pakistan's batting lineup is littered with accumulators, there should be an opportunity to incorporate a higher SR like him in your bottom order even if it comes at the expense of a lower average.

Haris FC average is bad but he's only played 14 innings. If PCB had any brains or sense how to develop your players, the FC teams would play him more often considering he does have potential and the wicketkeepers in the domestics are all garbage outside of a couple of guys.
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I wouldn't mind haris at no 7. However I've come to acce0t rizwam is a better batter.

But rizwan should bat at 6 or 7. It's so annoying to see him open and bat at 4 in odi. Such an irritating player.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Exactly and people are crying for his inclusion like he is some Ab Devilliers or Adam Gilchrist...

Haris is far for the squad atm. His performances are not worth it so No need to cry for him
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I want usman khan to come good. He's actually a top domestic performer amd I can see him replacing rizwan in whiteball. However he's failed miserably in international atm.
 
mominsaigol said:
I want usman khan to come good. He's actually a top domestic performer amd I can see him replacing rizwan in whiteball. However he's failed miserably in international atm.
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How many FC games has played your " top domestic performer " ?
 
mominsaigol said:
I want usman khan to come good. He's actually a top domestic performer amd I can see him replacing rizwan in whiteball. However he's failed miserably in international atm.
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Yep. I don't think Usman is gonna get any games here but it is not like I have high hopes for him in international games but Usman has some good performances in domestics so him ahead of haris makes sense in ODIs
 
BouncerGuy said:
Yep. I don't think Usman is gonna get any games here but it is not like I have high hopes for him in international games but Usman has some good performances in domestics so him ahead of haris makes sense in ODIs
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The reason people have an issue is due to his technique but crickets best test batter Steve smith has the weirdest technique I've ever seen to man.

When he plays the cover drive he shuffles across and then dances with foot work, when he lofts he literally twists his body 180 degrees, sometimes he's even kicked the ball away like a football for a legbye lol.

Granted Steve smith plays conventional cricket shots like drive, pull, sweep, cut etc while Usman khan doesn't play any, and plays gully mohala shots.

But eh so does Pant.

Anyway we'll see where UK goes in odi. Haris chapter is probably closed for the time being.
 
moghul said:
How many FC games has played your " top domestic performer " ?
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I'm talking about psl and champions one day cup.

Theirs a misconception that you need to be a good fc player to be a good odi and t20 players.

It's a false myth and has been proven to be false many times.
 
Nasty Naz said:
Rashid Latif played a 166 ODI games with a 19 average and 37 Test matches with a 29 average.
Kamran Akmal 157 ODI with a 26 average and 31 average in Tests along with amongst the worst wicketkeeper in the history of cricket.
Moin Khan 23 ODI average 28.5 AVG in Tests.

Pakistan's history with wicketkeepers is littered with mediocrity anyways.
Haris 30 List A average is fine considering he plays in the bottom order. It's worth mentioning his SR is an impressive 107 and amongst the best in Pakistan domestically. Considering Pakistan's batting lineup is littered with accumulators, there should be an opportunity to incorporate a higher SR like him in your bottom order even if it comes at the expense of a lower average.

Haris FC average is bad but he's only played 14 innings. If PCB had any brains or sense how to develop your players, the FC teams would play him more often considering he does have potential and the wicketkeepers in the domestics are all garbage outside of a couple of guys.
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He cant buy a run in domestics as of now
 
mominsaigol said:
I wouldn't mind haris at no 7. However I've come to acce0t rizwam is a better batter.

But rizwan should bat at 6 or 7. It's so annoying to see him open and bat at 4 in odi. Such an irritating player.
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Rizwan is a better Test player for ODI and T20 in comparison to Harris. A lot of these guys won’t look statistically as impressive as Rizwan if they didn’t bat for the team first just like Rizwan does, who’s first goal is to secure himself before the team.
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm talking about psl and champions one day cup.

Theirs a misconception that you need to be a good fc player to be a good odi and t20 players.

It's a false myth and has been proven to be false many times.
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If that's a myth to you , you must not be a true crickets , just a " keyboard cricketer" unlike people like me who have played cricket at good level and understand what it takes to be a solid player.
 
moghul said:
If that's a myth to you , you must not be a true crickets , just a " keyboard cricketer" unlike people like me who have played cricket at good level and understand what it takes to be a solid player.
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Why wasn’t Alistair Cook good enough to represent England during their white ball resurgence? Let’s hear it, you’ve played at a good level so explain this.
 
moghul said:
If that's a myth to you , you must not be a true crickets , just a " keyboard cricketer" unlike people like me who have played cricket at good level and understand what it takes to be a solid player.
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YK was a fantastic test cricketer in both FC and international test yet he's bang avg in odi as well as List A.

Finn Allen is a t20 goat yet he's bang avg in test cricket and fc

Klaseen is clearly a better whiteball t20 and odi/List A player but in fc and test he's okayish

Babar azam before his debut avg 50 in list A and 41 in test and rn he avg 56 in odi and 42 in tests with his avg likely to fall beneath 40 soon.

David Warner is clearly a better wb player then test player. Infact Warner played his local t20 and list A games years before he ever made a fc debut and he was killing it.

Jake fraser is clearly a gun t20 player but useless in test and odi.

All 3 of them are different formats. Theirs no hard and fast rule that a good test cricketer will be a good odi and t20 player and vice versa
 
moghul said:
If that's a myth to you , you must not be a true crickets , just a " keyboard cricketer" unlike people like me who have played cricket at good level and understand what it takes to be a solid player.
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unlike people like me who have played cricket at good level and understand what it takes to be a solid player.

You haven't played cricket at a good level(whatever that means),

im assuming you mean club cricket. You're not an international cricketer which is the highest standard. Nor are you a league cricketer let alone a league superstar.

You're not a fc legend like fawad alam who isn't even in boot kicking distance of being a good international player, nor are you a fc and domestic player at all.

Any tom dick and Harry can play club cricket. Infact I did a bit of research on @Rana league in London, he's ironically played at a higher level then you have.

So please stop with this keyboard warrior and ego nonsense. It has zero relevance to the discussion.
 
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