[VIDEOS] Mohammad Rizwan's speeches at mosques

[Bewal Express]

No one is complaining about Rizwan going to mosque. He can go there and pray, no issue.

But when he starts giving sermons on a foreign land than thats an issue. The reason he has a visa is because he is representing the state to play for the national team, not to go give sermons in a mosque.

During World Cups especially how you go around really matters. In 2007, Inzi and co were criticized by media because they had become overly religious and were more focused on tableegh and spreading Islam.

During the 2015 world cup, Moin Khan goes to Casino and after media finds out, he is sent back.

During 2019 World Cup, SHoaib Malik and co were eating unhealthy food and were spotted by people, with photos taken. After they lost to India, the team was criticized for being out and eating unhealthy.

Pray, not preach

And your qualification to decide what he can and cant do. No one is forced to listen and or accept what he says and none in Australia has complained about his message. So whats your problem.

 

[Saj]

Well after his low score against India, I had relatives saying to me "maybe if he concentrated on his cricket more in Australia than doing sermons in the mosque, he might have performed better", which I thought was harsh on him.

 

[topspin]

I would have no problem with this assuming Rizwan:

1. Wasn't doing this to chase the spotlight
2. This was done by his own accord - not placed under any pressure or influenced in any way to deliver these speeches
3. Wasn't doing this to sell his religiosity for public consumption

However at first glance the problem doesn't lie in the list above.

The problem I have is (and tell me if I'm wrong [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION] ) but this comes across as a typical Tableeghi style lecture which has been drilled into him.

It lacks originality and whilst I believe his intentions are pure because I genuinely believe he's a sincere guy, the bottom line is he's mingling with the wrong crowd.

He needs to keep his distance from the Tableeghi. All they care about is growing their organisation. They're using famous people to accomplish this.

Rizwan needs to realise he's being used and abused.

Younis Khan had his breakdowns but one of the things I liked about him he didn't buy in to the Tableeghi even though he was a very pious individual himself.

As mentioned by [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] the 2007 WC ended in tears because our players were more focused on spreading Islam than playing cricket.

The worst thing about the religiosity in Pakistan cricket is everyone in the team has to adapt their behaviour to meet expectations. We've seen Sarfraz force Naseem Shah to do the Sajda in a PSL game. This would've never happened prior to the Inzi's reign as captain, what I also call the Tableeghi era.

PCB must seriously ban Tableeghi and secularise Pakistan cricket for the greater good of the team.

 

[Bewal Express]

I would have no problem with this assuming Rizwan:

1. Wasn't doing this to chase the spotlight
2. This was done by his own accord - not placed under any pressure or influenced in any way to deliver these speeches
3. Wasn't doing this to sell his religiosity for public consumption

However at first glance the problem doesn't lie in the list above.

The problem I have is (and tell me if I'm wrong [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION] ) but this comes across as a typical Tableeghi style lecture which has been drilled into him.

It lacks originality and whilst I believe his intentions are pure because I genuinely believe he's a sincere guy, the bottom line is he's mingling with the wrong crowd.

He needs to keep his distance from the Tableeghi. All they care about is growing their organisation. They're using famous people to accomplish this.

Rizwan needs to realise he's being used and abused.

Younis Khan had his breakdowns but one of the things I liked about him he didn't buy in to the Tableeghi even though he was a very pious individual himself.

As mentioned by [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] the 2007 WC ended in tears because our players were more focused on spreading Islam than playing cricket.

The worst thing about the religiosity in Pakistan cricket is everyone in the team has to adapt their behaviour to meet expectations. We've seen Sarfraz force Naseem Shah to do the Sajda in a PSL game. This would've never happened prior to the Inzi's reign as captain, what I also call the Tableeghi era.

PCB must seriously ban Tableeghi and secularise Pakistan cricket for the greater good of the team.

The 2007 WC ended badly because we ended up on green mamba against Ireland in WC match in Jamaica. This made the match a lottery and we lost the toss. So ask your friends to ask we had a green mamba and who ordered it. Hint- Ind bookies

BTW the same guys had drawn a series in Ind, beat England at home and looked good overall

 

[Major]

I would have no problem with this assuming Rizwan:

1. Wasn't doing this to chase the spotlight
2. This was done by his own accord - not placed under any pressure or influenced in any way to deliver these speeches
3. Wasn't doing this to sell his religiosity for public consumption

However at first glance the problem doesn't lie in the list above.

The problem I have is (and tell me if I'm wrong [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] [MENTION=48598]saeedhk[/MENTION] ) but this comes across as a typical Tableeghi style lecture which has been drilled into him.

It lacks originality and whilst I believe his intentions are pure because I genuinely believe he's a sincere guy, the bottom line is he's mingling with the wrong crowd.

He needs to keep his distance from the Tableeghi. All they care about is growing their organisation. They're using famous people to accomplish this.

Rizwan needs to realise he's being used and abused.

Younis Khan had his breakdowns but one of the things I liked about him he didn't buy in to the Tableeghi even though he was a very pious individual himself.

As mentioned by [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] the 2007 WC ended in tears because our players were more focused on spreading Islam than playing cricket.

The worst thing about the religiosity in Pakistan cricket is everyone in the team has to adapt their behaviour to meet expectations. We've seen Sarfraz force Naseem Shah to do the Sajda in a PSL game. This would've never happened prior to the Inzi's reign as captain, what I also call the Tableeghi era.

PCB must seriously ban Tableeghi and secularise Pakistan cricket for the greater good of the team.

I agree with you. Tableeghi jamaat uses celebrities for their purpose.

But look do whatever you want in your free time, not during international duty. He can get in trouble with the law of different countries

I hope if he ever becomes captain, he doesnt bring the inzi culture back.

Alot of our people go gaga on such things,

 

[topspin]

The 2007 WC ended badly because we ended up on green mamba against Ireland in WC match in Jamaica. This made the match a lottery and we lost the toss. So ask your friends to ask we had a green mamba and who ordered it. Hint- Ind bookies

BTW the same guys had drawn a series in Ind, beat England at home and looked good overall

A close friend of mine was actually told that Inzi and the Tableeghi crew of that Pakistan team decided to give up one of their training sessions to give dawah on the beach.

Yes you read that right, dawah being delivered on the beach in the Caribbean during a World Cup instead of preparing cricket.

Even on a green mamba we should be beating a minnow and with ease as well.

 

[topspin]

I agree with you. Tableeghi jamaat uses celebrities for their purpose.

But look do whatever you want in your free time, not during international duty. He can get in trouble with the law of different countries

I hope if he ever becomes captain, he doesnt bring the inzi culture back.

Alot of our people go gaga on such things,

Exactly, I thought this was an excellent take from you.

Going back to Rizwan's speech, lecture or whatever you wanna call it. How Tableeghi does it sound to you?

 

[Major]

A close friend of mine was actually told that Inzi and the Tableeghi crew of that Pakistan team decided to give up one of their training sessions to give dawah on the beach.

Yes you read that right, dawah being delivered on the beach in the Caribbean during a World Cup instead of preparing cricket.

Even on a green mamba we should be beating a minnow and with ease as well.

Media went crazy over Inzi due to this. They are going in the team bus and they would play naat, the culture that inzi made was just ridiculous.

Even Akhtar was fed up with it. And you made an interesting point with regards to Younis Khan that he didnt indulge in such things.

Funny story, Inzamam also tried to change the way Misbah prayed his Namaz . Basically Inzi is deobandi and Misbah is Barelvi. So Inzamam saaab was focussed on alot other things.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

From this thread we can clearly see how intolerant some of our liberal posters are. Their is no difference between them and the mullahs who force religion on everyone. However they are too arrogant to see the similarities.

 

[moghul]

I don't care whatever he did in the mosque , it was his personal matter, I'm more interested what he does as a player and he failed in the biggest match of the WC.

 

[SalimBhai]

There is a reason, NOBODY from any other country does this when on tour. Let me emphasize again. ON TOUR.

 

[rhony]

Cricket is extremely political in Pakistan. Religion is also critical in politics. I always felt that public demand was respected in cricketing affairs in Pakistan. Rizwan is booking a ticket for positive public perception in case of failures. It's extremely smart PR when your place in the team during under performance is often based on favoritism and public perception.

 

[SalimBhai]

Piety is a big business in Pakistan

 

[TM Riddle]

One reason why I respect Pakistani cricketers. Their love for the culture and faith of their forebears is what makes them an excellent role model for youth in this age of debauchery.
A sharp contrast with Indian ones and their profligate degeneracy. When was the last time a hindustani cricketer took pride in being a Hindu?

 

[MenInG]

There is a reason, NOBODY from any other country does this when on tour. Let me emphasize again. ON TOUR.

Yes they dance themselves silly in nightclubs etc

This is not what Muslims do - some take their religion seriously - others don't - to each their own.

 

[SalimBhai]

To each their own is correct. Having said that. I think dancing in clubs during the World Cup is also frowned upon by all other nations.

 

[TM Riddle]

Yes they dance themselves silly in nightclubs etc

This is not what Muslims do - some take their religion seriously - others don't - to each their own.

This. It's astonishing how vulgar aspects of western culture are so much emphasised and promoted but God forbid if any person wants to embrace his native culture.

 

[MenInG]

This. It's astonishing how vulgar aspects of western culture are so much emphasised and promoted but God forbid if any person wants to embrace his native culture.

I am simply replying to people who dont understand why promoting our religion is essential part of our religion

No need to force it down on people but its fine to talk about it. This is more than cricket.

 

[Local.Dada]

It was Diwali yesterday, how many Indian players visited a temple?

It will be hilarious if Kohli or Rohit did satsang in the middle of a tour in Iskcon or Swami Narayan temple

Why are these things considered normal in Pakistan?

If he was doing this in his own free time when there are no international commitments no one would care but middle of a tour looks so out of place and weird if you look at it normally.

 

[Bewal Express]

It was Diwali yesterday, how many Indian players visited a temple?

It will be hilarious if Kohli or Rohit did satsang in the middle of a tour in Iskcon or Swami Narayan temple

Why are these things considered normal in Pakistan?

If he was doing this in his own free time when there are no international commitments no one would care but middle of a tour looks so out of place and weird if you look at it normally.

Perhaps Kohli and Rohit don't care about their religion. Riz was invited and has every right to share his thoughts. No one has to listen to him, or take him seriously. So what's your problem

 

[Bewal Express]

I am simply replying to people who dont understand why promoting our religion is essential part of our religion

No need to force it down on people but its fine to talk about it. This is more than cricket.

Exactly and that's my point. These guys that find any sort of positive Islamic speech offensive, treat Islam as an enemy.

 

[Local.Dada]

Perhaps Kohli and Rohit don't care about their religion. Riz was invited and has every right to share his thoughts. No one has to listen to him, or take him seriously. So what's your problem

At least in India, when you are representing a country in a professional set up, there is no religious or regional identity.

Wasn’t there outrage in Pakistan when some players went to a restaurant during a tournament? How is this any different?

Being religious is not the problem. When your religion sticks out every step of the way like starting every other sentence with gods name, doing Sajda, feeling proud about reading namaz in front of non-Muslims, going on religious trips the semantics of that stand out. I am not saying this right or wrong but it definitely feels alien and weird to rest of us who don’t see it with any other team.

Once again I am not saying this is wrong but definitely funny. I guess you find it normal so nothing to argue here.

 

[TM Riddle]

It was Diwali yesterday, how many Indian players visited a temple?

It will be hilarious if Kohli or Rohit did satsang in the middle of a tour in Iskcon or Swami Narayan temple

Why are these things considered normal in Pakistan?

If he was doing this in his own free time when there are no international commitments no one would care but middle of a tour looks so out of place and weird if you look at it normally.

Why would it look hilarious if any Indian cricketer decided to involve himself in temple kirtan?
Keshav Maharaj did it when he was in India recently.
They can do whatever they want in their free time so long as it doesn't clash with their team commitments.

 

[TM Riddle]

At least in India, when you are representing a country in a professional set up, there is no religious or regional identity.

Wasn’t there outrage in Pakistan when some players went to a restaurant during a tournament? How is this any different?

Being religious is not the problem. When your religion sticks out every step of the way like starting every other sentence with gods name, doing Sajda, feeling proud about reading namaz in front of non-Muslims, going on religious trips the semantics of that stand out. I am not saying this right or wrong but it definitely feels alien and weird to rest of us who don’t see it with any other team.

Once again I am not saying this is wrong but definitely funny. I guess you find it normal so nothing to argue here.

Wait a second there, who exactly are the 'rest of us' that you seem to be representing here?

 

[Local.Dada]

Why would it look hilarious if any Indian cricketer decided to involve himself in temple kirtan?
Keshav Maharaj did it when he was in India recently.
They can do whatever they want in their free time so long as it doesn't clash with their team commitments.

Keshav Maharaj is an Indian origin guy visiting his country of origin. It’s like if Indian team visits Pakistan, they would want to visit some historical and cultural places.

Also as I said the point is not going to a place of worship, the point is preaching and the semantics from speeches like this where he is saying cricket is not the most important thing etc when he is on a sports visa. Am I the only one who finds that weird ?

If Keshav Maharaj was preaching about Hinduism than sure definitely that should be ridiculed as well.

This is the equivalent of Rohit-Kohli doing a pravachan or satsang like you see early morning on Indian devtional channels. 100% there would be memes and ridicule if an Indian player ever does that regardless of religion. It’s the cultural disconnect I guess that is throwing you off why this is bizarre

 

[Local.Dada]

Wait a second there, who exactly are the 'rest of us' that you seem to be representing here?

Every other cricket playing country to be specific .

 

[Bewal Express]

At least in India, when you are representing a country in a professional set up, there is no religious or regional identity.

Wasn’t there outrage in Pakistan when some players went to a restaurant during a tournament? How is this any different?

Being religious is not the problem. When your religion sticks out every step of the way like starting every other sentence with gods name, doing Sajda, feeling proud about reading namaz in front of non-Muslims, going on religious trips the semantics of that stand out. I am not saying this right or wrong but it definitely feels alien and weird to rest of us who don’t see it with any other team.

Once again I am not saying this is wrong but definitely funny. I guess you find it normal so nothing to argue here.

That's your thing and I have no problem. Whatever floats your boat. But he has every right to talk about his faith and others have every right not to listen

 

[Major]

Keshav Maharaj is an Indian origin guy visiting his country of origin. It’s like if Indian team visits Pakistan, they would want to visit some historical and cultural places.

Also as I said the point is not going to a place of worship, the point is preaching and the semantics from speeches like this where he is saying cricket is not the most important thing etc when he is on a sports visa. Am I the only one who finds that weird ?

If Keshav Maharaj was preaching about Hinduism than sure definitely that should be ridiculed as well.

This is the equivalent of Rohit-Kohli doing a pravachan or satsang like you see early morning on Indian devtional channels. 100% there would be memes and ridicule if an Indian player ever does that regardless of religion. It’s the cultural disconnect I guess that is throwing you off why this is bizarre

In pakistan, people dont have issue with the existence of an old temple being in place, there issue is that no new one be made as they fear that it wil convert people and spread the religion.

This is the issue they had when the whole temple fiasco took place in Islamabad and they tried to not get it build.

It becomes hypocritical that a Pakistani state representative goes to another country to preach his religion while same state wont allow others to even build a temple because it can cause spread of a different religion.

Again, pray and offer your religious obligations even as a team member thats not the issue.

If rizwan fails in the world t20, fans will bring up this point than.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It was Diwali yesterday, how many Indian players visited a temple?

It will be hilarious if Kohli or Rohit did satsang in the middle of a tour in Iskcon or Swami Narayan temple

Why are these things considered normal in Pakistan?

If he was doing this in his own free time when there are no international commitments no one would care but middle of a tour looks so out of place and weird if you look at it normally.

Answer is simple. Like many Hindus, Rohit and Kohli could be cultural Hindus. Not religious at all. I am sure they will feel uncomfortable talking about teachings of Krishna or Rama in front of a group of people in a temple setting.
There are no perks in heaven for converting people to Hinduism.

 

[SalimBhai]

As stated before by many. No other team is doing this preaching during a world cup. Preach to your hearts content after the tournament is over. Just shows where your priorities are. Piety is a big profitable business. Funny thing this, if other players from other countries came to Pakistan and started preaching their religion, it would not go down well with the locals.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

It was Diwali yesterday, how many Indian players visited a temple?
.

So not visiting a holy place on your holy day is a thing of pride for you now?

Bro don’t have such an inferiority complex and start taking some pride in your culture and religion

 

[SalimBhai]

Dude I think they are concentrating on the task at hand.

 

[sweep_shot]

I agree with you. Tableeghi jamaat uses celebrities for their purpose.

But look do whatever you want in your free time, not during international duty. He can get in trouble with the law of different countries

I hope if he ever becomes captain, he doesnt bring the inzi culture back.

Alot of our people go gaga on such things,

It is not illegal for Rizwan to go to a New Zealand mosque and preach there. It is likely the mosque authority gave him permission to speak.

Also, I believe he went during his free time. Not during a game or anything. So, what's the issue?

Don't players go out for shopping and eating? If that is allowed, why not this?

 

[MenInG]

As stated before by many. No other team is doing this preaching during a world cup. Preach to your hearts content after the tournament is over. Just shows where your priorities are. Piety is a big profitable business. Funny thing this, if other players from other countries came to Pakistan and started preaching their religion, it would not go down well with the locals.

Their priority is to their Creator.

Problem isnt with them.

Problem is with those who don't believe in what they believe.

They have free time and as long as they are not violating team curfews etc, there is no problem.

 

[MenInG]

In pakistan, people dont have issue with the existence of an old temple being in place, there issue is that no new one be made as they fear that it wil convert people and spread the religion.

This is the issue they had when the whole temple fiasco took place in Islamabad and they tried to not get it build.

It becomes hypocritical that a Pakistani state representative goes to another country to preach his religion while same state wont allow others to even build a temple because it can cause spread of a different religion.

Again, pray and offer your religious obligations even as a team member thats not the issue.

If rizwan fails in the world t20, fans will bring up this point than.

From Rizwan's pov, he would rather answer to Allah swt and not to some random fans.

 

[Major]

And fans are angry at him. Reminds me of the 2007 scene

This is why i say, when you on national duty, fullfil that duty dont do other stuff as they will reflect bad later on.

We lost to zimbabwe today and are about to get knock off from world cup

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It was Diwali yesterday, how many Indian players visited a temple?

It will be hilarious if Kohli or Rohit did satsang in the middle of a tour in Iskcon or Swami Narayan temple

Why are these things considered normal in Pakistan?

If he was doing this in his own free time when there are no international commitments no one would care but middle of a tour looks so out of place and weird if you look at it normally.

It would be funny to see a guy who abuses others mothers and sisters doing a satsang anyway. )

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Prayers working

Their priority is to their Creator.

Problem isnt with them.

Problem is with those who don't believe in what they believe.

They have free time and as long as they are not violating team curfews etc, there is no problem.

They're paid sportspeople! He should become mullah then

 

[SalimBhai]

Maybe they were not fully focused on the World Cup at hand. Just maybe

 

[topspin]

In pakistan, people dont have issue with the existence of an old temple being in place, there issue is that no new one be made as they fear that it wil convert people and spread the religion.

This is the issue they had when the whole temple fiasco took place in Islamabad and they tried to not get it build.

It becomes hypocritical that a Pakistani state representative goes to another country to preach his religion while same state wont allow others to even build a temple because it can cause spread of a different religion.

Again, pray and offer your religious obligations even as a team member thats not the issue.

If rizwan fails in the world t20, fans will bring up this point than.

Good foresight.

A real slap in the face to those who claimed that anyone who had an issue with this was because of religion.

It had nothing to do with religion.

We've been here before. Rizwan must focus on his cricket or he should simply retire to focus on religious activities on a full time basis. We've been here in 2007 and in that WC we also lost to a minnow.

If he can't deliver you'll be called a Mullah by the fans.

 

[SalimBhai]

Good foresight.

A real slap in the face to those who claimed that anyone who had an issue with this was because of religion.

It had nothing to do with religion.

We've been here before. Rizwan must focus on his cricket or he should simply retire to focus on religious activities on a full time basis. We've been here in 2007 and in that WC we also lost to a minnow.

If he can't deliver you'll be called a Mullah by the fans.

Agreed. The issue was never religion, but priorities during the World Cup.

 

[Major]

Btw i heard on pavilion that rizwan finishes half quran every day. He reads after tahajud and after fajar. The guy prays 2 nafals afterwards for pakistans win.

Damn that is some level of comitment towards religion.

I dont have issue with his personal religion infact i believe his acts are a role model for us.

I only have issues when he does tablighi lectures during on tour.

But who knows, the reason why we made it to the semis is maybe God is happy with this guy

 

[SalimBhai]

Agreed, personal life is personal life. But if Pakistan lose tomorrow does that mean God is not happy with him?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Good foresight.

A real slap in the face to those who claimed that anyone who had an issue with this was because of religion.

It had nothing to do with religion.

We've been here before. Rizwan must focus on his cricket or he should simply retire to focus on religious activities on a full time basis. We've been here in 2007 and in that WC we also lost to a minnow.

If he can't deliver you'll be called a Mullah by the fans.

Absurd post.

In Sport form fluctuates. Rizwans form has declined like Babars, yet Babar doesnt preach.

Having a spiritual mindset can only help. Try it sometime.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It would be funny to see a guy who abuses others mothers and sisters doing a satsang anyway. )

Its between Kohli and his God. Their personal relationship is none of our business.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Pakistani cricketers are very religious and it shows in their behavior and appearance. Preaching might be normal for them.

 

[topspin]

Absurd post.

In Sport form fluctuates. Rizwans form has declined like Babars, yet Babar doesnt preach.

Having a spiritual mindset can only help. Try it sometime.

You do realise Pakistan's opening pair, Babar and Rizwan, have the worst run rate in the power play out of all the openers in the history of the game (who've played at least 50+ T20I games together)?

For reference see the thread below:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...he-worst-world-record-in-the-history-of-T20Is

 

[James]

It’s pretty simple. Have the discussion without so easily lapsing into attacking each other. Then the thread can continue.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You do realise Pakistan's opening pair, Babar and Rizwan, have the worst run rate in the power play out of all the openers in the history of the game (who've played at least 50+ T20I games together)?

For reference see the thread below:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...he-worst-world-record-in-the-history-of-T20Is

Lets try again.

You wrote

"Rizwan must focus on his cricket or he should simply retire to focus on religious activities on a full time basis. !"

You are claiming his faith is a distraction. Please make up your mind, which is it?

 

[shaz619]

Absurd post.

In Sport form fluctuates. Rizwans form has declined like Babars, yet Babar doesnt preach.

Having a spiritual mindset can only help. Try it sometime.

Well said.

Sport is sport.

You always find the Wahhabis and non believing zealots who show up with the “his prayers are affecting his job” to mask their own insecurities and lack of direction in these situations.

Faith and spirituality is far more precious then a stupid cricket match, it’s a job for some and an escape for the rest of us, only a coward would put this above their faith.

Goodness me.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Well said.

Sport is sport.

You always find the Wahhabis and non believing zealots who show up with the “his prayers are affecting his job” to mask their own insecurities and lack of direction in these situations.

Faith and spirituality is far more precious then a stupid cricket match, it’s a job for some and an escape for the rest of us, only a coward would put this above their faith.

Goodness me.

They are confused, most havent played any decent level of sport.

They want a man to stop going to mosque so he can score 20 more runs at a 10% higher strike rate

When playing well, they say his faith has nothing to do with it. When not in form, they say his faith is the problem. Confused.com#

 

[topspin]

Lets try again.

You wrote

"Rizwan must focus on his cricket or he should simply retire to focus on religious activities on a full time basis. !"

You are claiming his faith is a distraction. Please make up your mind, which is it?

That's your assumption not mine. I'm not gonna bite into what you're serving, you're gonna have to do a lot better than that.

I've addressed this in the deleted post which I'll repeat as you keep trying to paint a false picture.

I pray daily and I go to the mosque myself every Friday for Jummah. There's no basis at all for me to attack Rizwan on his faith.

You've already been through all the posts in this thread. You know exactly where my issues lie with what Rizwan is doing and let me tell you it has nothing to do with Islam - I have explicitly mentioned that the problem isn't with religion.

My job is to share my views, not to help you understand.

I've already stated what the problem is on this thread in some detail but it's obvious you're not interested in that.

The pattern of your posts is always the same. All you do is attack posters personally and then divert the focus of the discussion to another topic whenever you're challenged and are unable to come up with a counter argument.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That's your assumption not mine. I'm not gonna bite into what you're serving, you're gonna have to do a lot better than that.

I've addressed this in the deleted post which I'll repeat as you keep trying to paint a false picture.

I pray daily and I go to the mosque myself every Friday for Jummah. There's no basis at all for me to attack Rizwan on his faith.

You've already been through all the posts in this thread. You know exactly where my issues lie with what Rizwan is doing and let me tell you it has nothing to do with Islam - I have explicitly mentioned that the problem isn't with religion.

My job is to share my views, not to help you understand.

I've already stated what the problem is on this thread in some detail but it's obvious you're not interested in that.

The pattern of your posts is always the same. All you do is attack posters personally and then divert the focus of the discussion to another topic whenever you're challenged and are unable to come up with a counter argument.

lol. Nobody cares if you pray or do starjumps.

The issue here is what you wrote.

""Rizwan must focus on his cricket or he should simply retire to focus on religious activities on a full time basis. !"


You are trying to deny this now, its what you really believe. A man, a cricketer should not go to mosques to talk as it impacts his form on the field. Just admit it .

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Yes they dance themselves silly in nightclubs etc

This is not what Muslims do - some take their religion seriously - others don't - to each their own.

Sorry speaking in a mosque doesn't make you a good Muslim. Being a good person and not being arrogant and selfish both undeniable Rizwan traits is more important.

 

[GLORY OF '92]

They are confused, most havent played any decent level of sport.

They want a man to stop going to mosque so he can score 20 more runs at a 10% higher strike rate

When playing well, they say his faith has nothing to do with it. When not in form, they say his faith is the problem. Confused.com#

It's not about going to the mosque.

It's the trying to project this image of piety and selfless worship where in reality he is the opposite.

 

[SalimBhai]

I don’t think anyone cares here what rizwan does in his private time. He can pray to his hearts content the issue is and has been repeated multiple times. Do the preaching once the tournament is over .you don’t see anyone else form any other country doing this. Ever. Piety is a big business in Pakistan. It pays well

 

[topspin]

It's not about going to the mosque

Exactly.

He knows my issue isn't about going to the mosque, praying or faith. He's trying to portray himself as a self righteous Muslim and use this to defame me.

The problem is the entity who Rizwan is associated with, who've given Pakistan cricket problems for nearly 20 years ago, when they infiltrated the Pakistan dressing room after the 2003 World Cup during Inzy's leadership of the national side.

You always find self righteous individuals who want to show off their religiosity so they can be approved by others. If you don't agree with them they'll accuse you of having problems with Muslims and Islam. One can only laugh when we find a self appointed defender of the Ummah go out of his way to defend one of the biggest oppressors of Muslims i.e. China.

 

[topspin]

Btw i heard on pavilion that rizwan finishes half quran every day. He reads after tahajud and after fajar. The guy prays 2 nafals afterwards for pakistans win.

Damn that is some level of comitment towards religion.

I dont have issue with his personal religion infact i believe his acts are a role model for us.

I only have issues when he does tablighi lectures during on tour.

But who knows, the reason why we made it to the semis is maybe God is happy with this guy

I couldn't agree more.

The sad reality is due to the self righteous type, anyone with these views would be demonised and potrayed as a hater of Islam/Muslim.

Due to this mindset, over time the aspect of critical thinking among Muslims has been supressed.

Certain practices and certain organisations (like Tableeghi) should be challenged for the greater good of the Ummah.

We then wonder why Muslims lag behind everyone else in terms of education and career horizons.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Exactly.

He knows my issue isn't about going to the mosque, praying or faith. He's trying to portray himself as a self righteous Muslim and use this to defame me.

The problem is the entity who Rizwan is associated with, who've given Pakistan cricket problems for nearly 20 years ago, when they infiltrated the Pakistan dressing room after the 2003 World Cup during Inzy's leadership of the national side.

You always find self righteous individuals who want to show off their religiosity so they can be approved by others. If you don't agree with them they'll accuse you of having problems with Muslims and Islam. One can only laugh when we find a self appointed defender of the Ummah go out of his way to defend one of the biggest oppressors of Muslims i.e. China.

If you are talking about the Tabhleeqi Jamaat, I am not a fan either. I think they have anaesthetised Pakistan cricketers in their prime in my years of watching. Saqlain, Mushy, Yousuf, and I see many other no moustache beardies in our ranks these days and it seriously annoys me.

But Rizwan is still a seriously combative cricketer who is in his prime. So if he wants to do jamaats or annoy daily prayer rivals I am not too fussed to be honest. He's a good player. You aren't.

 

[SalimBhai]

If you are talking about the Tabhleeqi Jamaat, I am not a fan either. I think they have anaesthetised Pakistan cricketers in their prime in my years of watching. Saqlain, Mushy, Yousuf, and I see many other no moustache beardies in our ranks these days and it seriously annoys me.

But Rizwan is still a seriously combative cricketer who is in his prime. So if he wants to do jamaats or annoy daily prayer rivals I am not too fussed to be honest. He's a good player. You aren't.

The point is. Just do this after the tournament. It’s not asking for the moon. No other team does this. Piety is a very lucrative business in Pakistan

 

[Major]

I couldn't agree more.

The sad reality is due to the self righteous type, anyone with these views would be demonised and potrayed as a hater of Islam/Muslim.

Due to this mindset, over time the aspect of critical thinking among Muslims has been supressed.

Certain practices and certain organisations (like Tableeghi) should be challenged for the greater good of the Ummah.

We then wonder why Muslims lag behind everyone else in terms of education and career horizons.

problem is, no matter how many times we say it, people like [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] will still come and say let him pray. When infact we never had any issue with him praying in a mosque or in ground or anywhere.

I find it interesting that many muslims here cant differentiate between praying and giving a sermon. They equate the both for same.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Btw i heard on pavilion that rizwan finishes half quran every day. He reads after tahajud and after fajar. The guy prays 2 nafals afterwards for pakistans win.

Damn that is some level of comitment towards religion.

I dont have issue with his personal religion infact i believe his acts are a role model for us.

I only have issues when he does tablighi lectures during on tour.

But who knows, the reason why we made it to the semis is maybe God is happy with this guy

That's utterly amazing if true

 

[SpiritOf1903]

There's only been criticism because the stakes are so high and one has to be timely.

There's no denying this is a truly wonderful man devoted to the Almighty. May he remain blessed regardless what he does on a cricket field.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Well put. This behavior only comes from Pakistanis. Nobody else. Not even other Muslim nations. It’s like. A mental disease.

It's not a mental disease. This all pre-planned.


My statement has nothing to do with Rizwan, but in general scheme of things, the way our religion is taught to us in Pakistan, and the way the hierarchy of importance is placed on the actionable items under the Islamic guidance, I feel that our Mullah has it designed to make us Munafiqs.

And these Mullahs do this because, unko bhi apni dukaan chalaani hai. They need to make groups and followers by preaching easy stuff and keep collecting donations.

And I am also not saying ALL Mullahs in Pakistan are wolves in a sheep's skin. May be there are few good ones left but mostly if you notice their sermons,

All the focus is on having a beard because it's a sunnah
Keep your pants/shalwaar above the ankles because it's a sunnah
Stick out a Miswak and put on a topi or green or white turban, because it's a sunnah.
Repeating some short cut wazeefa earns this much rewards
Reciting certain wird will wipe out all your sins.
Umra will wipe out all your sins
Hajj will wipe out all your sins
Praying Jumma will wipe out your sins
Doing this short cut with will earn that many palaces in Heaven that will have that many hoors.
Reading falana surah three times and blowing it up on your electric meter, will result in lower bills etc.


Notice that no Mullah teaches the nation that,

In your day to day dealing with people, and at your places of work, working with honesty (diyanaut daari) is also a Sunnah.
Refraining from speaking lies is also a sunnah
Refraining from deceiving, cheating, scheming against others is also a sunnah
Refraining from Haram Khori is also a Sunnah
Refraining for taking the rights of others is also a Sunnah
Refraining for getting angry is also a Sunnah
Refraining hurting others with your tongue and hands, is also a sunnah.
Refraining from being greedy is also a Sunnah


Always Speaking truth and being honest in your business, at your jobs and in your day to day dealing with people is also a Sunnah.
Being generous is also a Sunnah
Being forgiving is also a Sunnah
Controlling your anger is also a Sunnah
Not wasting resources is also a Sunnah
Making sure to not take away someone's rights is also a Sunnah
Cleanliness is also a Sunnah
meekness and docility is also a Sunnah
Giving full zakaat is also a Sunnah
Obeying and following law of the land is also a Sunnah
Standing firm on your promises is also a sunnah
Lowering your gaze is also Sunnah.



So what's the result?

Our public in general, has put their focus on the shortcuts, and now what we see?

Rishwat khori, haram khori, jhoot, dhoka, zulm, totally rampant all over the country. But the very same people, also make sure to fill the mosques on Jumma prayers, and go to Hajj and Umra more than any other Muslim nation in the world (except for Indonesia), while the country stands among one of the highest on the scale of corruption and dishonesty.

Many, I say, almost all of us, who visit Pakistan, go thru the same hell EVERY TIME when we deal with public. Be it renewing your passport, national ID Card, trying to get legal real estate work done, I mean, you go to any office or deal with anyone in the public, you will face dishonesty and corruption. While you get tons of Hadeeth and Quran messages every other hours in the whatsapp groups, the entire nation has become blood thirsty Ashiqs who are ready to take the life of any supposedly and allegedly "Gustaakh", there are mosques on every corner of the street.
What is all this? MUNAFIQAT!

Notice in cricket,
Many of these ground Sajda giving players, have off the field activities that do not sit very well with the display of religiosity on the ground and starting the interviews with Bismillah and saying Inshallah Mashallah and alhamdollilah after every three words.

Again, it's not mental disease, there are many religious leaders (on local Mohallah, galli, village, city and national level) in our society who create Munfiqs in the name of Islamic teachings.

 

[PakistanMeriJaan]

It isn’t, you keep dancing around the main point because you cannot justify it. You are delusional and cannot think beyond the religion that you only follow because you were born into it.

You didn’t choose to be a Muslim. *The chance of life choose you.*

Please answer this question. Why is faith a contributing factor only when you are a Muslim with a beard?

Please prove that Amla and Yousuf were successful because of their faith and not because they were very good players.

Do you think Amla would have been a lesser player if he didn’t have a beard or if he wasn’t Muslim? If so, please provide evidence.

The chance of life chooses if we are born Muslim or not?! I’m sorry but where on earth did you learn, if at all, the teachings of Islam. There is no such thing as chance in Islam.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

problem is, no matter how many times we say it, people like [MENTION=48620]Cpt. Rishwat[/MENTION] will still come and say let him pray. When infact we never had any issue with him praying in a mosque or in ground or anywhere.

I find it interesting that many muslims here cant differentiate between praying and giving a sermon. They equate the both for same.

Truth is I don't care enough what he says in a mosque or a church for that matter. He just needs to keep hitting match winning 50's and he can say whatever he likes.

 

[WC-Passion]

Seems like a bit of a non-issue to me. Much rather my players do this rather than be out clubbing, drinking or partying during a tournament. It's weird how you can do anything in your spare time and be caught on camera and someone out there will take issue with it lol.

 

[Hextro]

I think this type of stuff has helped the team. Don't get me wrong I find it cringy when Rizwan keeps bringing up religion in post-match interviews but I've noticed that the team has been focused and has avoided controversy since Rizwan showed up. There have been no conflicts in the group and they all seem to be connected, if one guy has a bad game the whole team supports him. I think religion has a lot to do with their newfound focus. Mathew Hayden and Shaun Tait have mentioned how religion plays a role in the dressing room.

This is much better than the players we've had in the past who were, nonserious, corrupt, power-hungry, and had poor discipline. I say let them continue as is.

This is a non-issue.

 

[Tubs]

From how people were talking, you'd think he said something about jihad. He is a very religious man, so obviously he'd want to give a khutbah. Anyone who has seen my previous posts knows that I am not a fan of religion, but I don't see the issue here, at all.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's not about going to the mosque.

It's the trying to project this image of piety and selfless worship where in reality he is the opposite.

What else should one talk of in a mosque.

He's not arrogant at all, he is a famous cricketer who is looked up to. If he can talk of his spiritual journey and how its helped him to inspire others , its a great thing.

Not you but many how have no faith in their own hearts are quick to hate on someone who does. For some its also a view they hold because they think being against religion makes them more modern, intelligent but its the opposite, these are backward thoughts imo.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think this type of stuff has helped the team. Don't get me wrong I find it cringy when Rizwan keeps bringing up religion in post-match interviews but I've noticed that the team has been focused and has avoided controversy since Rizwan showed up. There have been no conflicts in the group and they all seem to be connected, if one guy has a bad game the whole team supports him. I think religion has a lot to do with their newfound focus. Mathew Hayden and Shaun Tait have mentioned how religion plays a role in the dressing room.

This is much better than the players we've had in the past who were, nonserious, corrupt, power-hungry, and had poor discipline. I say let them continue as is.

This is a non-issue.

I agree. Good post.

Pakistan team used to suffer from controversies (fixings, infightings, womanizing etc.). This current group is controversy-free; there is a nice positive vibe.

May Allah (SWT) bless Rizwan and give him the opportunity to give more dawah.

 

[SalimBhai]

Ok final coming up. Let’s just support the team for the last game

 

[greatest]

He definitely has the determination and fighting spirit to be a great player and serve Pakistan cricket for a long time.

I just hope he doesn't start preaching top international players, like how once Yousuf and Inzaman personally invited Brian Lara for dawah. You all must have watched that video of Inzaman describing this incident.

 

[SalimBhai]

He definitely has the determination and fighting spirit to be a great player and serve Pakistan cricket for a long time.

I just hope he doesn't start preaching top international players, like how once Yousuf and Inzaman personally invited Brian Lara for dawah. You all must have watched that video of Inzaman describing this incident.

Yes it seems Lara did not bite.

 

[greatest]

Yes it seems Lara did not bite.

Well, Lara's reply was epic "I don't see many Muslims practicing the virtues of Islam which you have mentioned". I guess what he meant was "first preach your own people than start approaching me".

Anyways, I wish Rizwan all the best and hope his faith in The Almighty grows stronger and stronger! Amen

 

[PakLFC]

Well, Lara's reply was epic "I don't see many Muslims practicing the virtues of Islam which you have mentioned". I guess what he meant was "first preach your own people than start approaching me".

Anyways, I wish Rizwan all the best and hope his faith in The Almighty grows stronger and stronger! Amen

Lara is absolutely right. If we truly practiced Islam then Muslim countries would not be a complete mess. Why would Brain Lara becomes a Muslim when the west is the place to be. When most Muslim's living in poor countries and war zones are arriving in the west as refugee's?.

Islam has forever done good to the Pak team. We are a humble team now avoiding controversies and bad press since the Butt, Asif and Amir spot fixing affair.

 

[MenInG]

Speaking recently in Lahore - Shaheen Shah Afridi also there

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[GLORY OF '92]

If only he focused on improving his batting and fitness instead.

 

[The_KING]

If only he focused on improving his batting and fitness instead.

Cricketers have a life outside of cricket. What do you expect him to do? Live and breath cricket 24/7?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Cricketers have a life outside of cricket. What do you expect him to do? Live and breath cricket 24/7?

Also if it makes him a better person its more important than being a better cricketer in personal terms.