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[VIDEOS] Naseem Shah - A failed experiment?

Good to see Pakistan considering him for this tour - only a matter of time before he makes a comeback.

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MenInG said:
Good to see Pakistan considering him for this tour - only a matter of time before he makes a comeback.

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Not happy about this. I would have preferred him to come back after having a Hasan Ali like season in domestic cricket in the 4 day format. He's been bought back too soon on the back of T-20 performances
 
Why didn't Pakistan play Nasim Shah in this test?

The title says it all. The weather forecast showed it will be rain for 3 days. Our spinners are rubbish and cannot do much damage in 2.5 days. Playing Nasim Shah would add an extra pressure on Bangladesh batsmen. Our fast bowlers can bowl them out quickly.

What is the actual responsibilities of Saqlain as a coach (rather than yes Sir) and why did Babar has so defensive mindset? None of them showed any sign of intelligence out of the box.
 
The way he's being is managed is so frustrating. They drag him along tours just to warm the bench when he should be playing first class cricket. Why can't our management have any development goals for these young guns?
 
Knocked over the Sindh tail today with a burst of four wickets for Southern Punjab this morning. Finished 4/46 from 13.5 overs.

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seems to be getting closer to stumps which is good, also a few lbws and bowlds means hes pbly straightened his line a bit too.

last ball was a peach, but still a long way to go.
 
More than performance its more important he is playing FC on regular basis , which is basic requirement for a test bowler. Why Hasnain is not playing much FC cricket ?
 
Hope he plays 5-6 county matches next year. It will be good for his growth.

He is a 10 yr multiformat player for Pak and need to ensure his skillset and physical abilities are developed with that in mind
 
pratiktc said:
Hope he plays 5-6 county matches next year. It will be good for his growth.

He is a 10 yr multiformat player for Pak and need to ensure his skillset and physical abilities are developed with that in mind
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I too believe he is a multiformat player. He is a potential Pakistani great. I expect him to do very well in tests.
 
No Asian quick bowler has ever had a better action.

His career will be limited by his lack of height, but he has a higher ceiling than any other quick bowler in Asia apart from Shaheen Shah Afridi.
 
Junaids said:
No Asian quick bowler has ever had a better action.

His career will be limited by his lack of height, but he has a higher ceiling than any other quick bowler in Asia apart from Shaheen Shah Afridi.
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He definitely has grown a bit in height. Evident from the video
 
KhanNn said:
He definitely has grown a bit in height. Evident from the video
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I feel the same but it would be great to see some evidence / photos of this if anyone has something they can provide to make a comparison.

It would also put to rest the rumours that’s he’s already 21+.
 
I asked Naseem Shah (a) if he has changed his bowling action, (b) if he is grown taller :)

The answers are as follows:

(a) No
(b) No
 
1/34 in second innings vs Sindh

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Happy Birthday to Naseem

Born: February 15, 2003 (age 19 years), Lower Dir, Pakistan
 
Naseem Shah with a 4fer today.

4-27, 10 dots in his spell.
 
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So Naseem could well be opening the bowling for Pakistan....
 
Great news

InshaAllah he is in much safer hands now that Waqar isn’t there to destroy him
 
MenInG said:
So Naseem could well be opening the bowling for Pakistan....
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If we only play 2 seamers there will be huge pressure on him to not only bowl with control but also do well with new and old ball.
 
Amjid Javed said:
If we only play 2 seamers there will be huge pressure on him to not only bowl with control but also do well with new and old ball.
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Definitely will be huge pressure ideally he should be coming in at first change.
 
shamaan said:
And what makes you think he will be able to handle opening the bowling.
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I don’t think the fear of pressure should deter him or the management from not taking the new ball. He should be trusted to bowl with a fresh red cherry, so he can utilise the most swing
 
He will do well on these pitches.He has got enough talent he can compete with very best of bowlers in future.
 
Great but tough opportunity for him with Rauf and Hassan out of the 1st Test.

I hope he's given a chance as he's been in decent form of late.
 
Saj said:
Great but tough opportunity for him with Rauf and Hassan out of the 1st Test.

I hope he's given a chance as he's been in decent form of late.
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question is would you play him as part of 2 seamers or 3 seamers attack?
 
Amjid Javed said:
question is would you play him as part of 2 seamers or 3 seamers attack?
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No. I would have chosen Muhammad Abbas, But with the players that have been chosen, Naseem Shah looks to be the best option because I don't think Muhammad Abbas is part of the squad.
 
Rana said:
I don’t think the fear of pressure should deter him or the management from not taking the new ball. He should be trusted to bowl with a fresh red cherry, so he can utilise the most swing
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He will most likely take the ball due to not having any other options Abbas won't be picked as he's in the reserves.
 
Honestly Naseem is the best option to partner with Shaheen right now. He has played alot of red-ball cricket since that ill-fated debut in Australia. I really hope he doesn't struggle with injuries because that has been a problem for him in the past. He is a heck of a talent and just needs to keep a cool head and not get carried away if things don't go his way.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing some of that aggressiveness and youthful anger we saw in the PSL. Because if there's any team that you like seeing slapped around, its Australia.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Honestly Naseem is the best option to partner with Shaheen right now. He has played alot of red-ball cricket since that ill-fated debut in Australia. I really hope he doesn't struggle with injuries because that has been a problem for him in the past. He is a heck of a talent and just needs to keep a cool head and not get carried away if things don't go his way.

That said, I wouldn't mind seeing some of that aggressiveness and youthful anger we saw in the PSL. Because if there's any team that you like seeing slapped around, its Australia.
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Absolutely , even if Naseem did just OK ( not great ) against Australia , it would be a good investment for future as he is too good a talent not to become a world class bowler in near future. If we tried someone older , like Abbas and he failed , it would be a lose lose situation.
 
I wouldn't play him but we're lacking pace options.

Running in for short bursts bowling to mediocre batsmen in a domestic T20 league is a far cry from bowling long spells to Test level batsmen.
 
Kroll said:
I wouldn't play him but we're lacking pace options.

Running in for short bursts bowling to mediocre batsmen in a domestic T20 league is a far cry from bowling long spells to Test level batsmen.
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Yeah, its a little early in this redemption arc so to speak for him to be thrown into a Test match against Australia. They did that once already, and that didn't work. He's a better bowler than when he started, but I'm not quite sure that means he's quite there to play against Australia. To be fair, I'd probably still have him ahead of Rauf as a potential Test bowler so it may end up working out. But it might also undo some of the progress he has made of late. On the plus side, Shaheen has come a long way since when Naseem debuted, both as a bowler and as a leader so that should potentially help.
 
Dream return to Pakistan colours a distinct possibility for Naseem

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Seen his first spell today, Shaheen was bowling well from one end but Naseem seemed to bowling at the LH into the stumps, Khawaja easily kept flicking him for easy runs.

Also just playing 2 out and out fast bowlers seems like a timid strategy , Faheem and Hasan injury and Haris Covid has really made the options look bad,

May be Wahab wouldn't have been too bad but he's retired from Test.
 
You can't draft him in the test side just based on potential, the eye test and T20, ODI performances. He actually needs to earn it by picking up loads of wickets in the domestic 4 day cricket competition
 
Maher96 said:
Seen his first spell today, Shaheen was bowling well from one end but Naseem seemed to bowling at the LH into the stumps, Khawaja easily kept flicking him for easy runs.

Also just playing 2 out and out fast bowlers seems like a timid strategy , Faheem and Hasan injury and Haris Covid has really made the options look bad,

May be Wahab wouldn't have been too bad but he's retired from Test.
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The options look bad because they are bad.

Pakistan fast bowling stocks have fallen off a cliff for so long now but we won't let go of this idea that we have pacers. We don't.

Aside from Shaheen we have zero test match quality fast bowlers in the country. Hasan Ali might be a hope but he is so out of form that not even he can be relied upon to save us in the next test.
 
I would have preferred to have seen Dahani play.
He offers a lot more with the ball
 
Tough for all of the pacers so far on this pitch.

Unfair to criticise the lad a lot given much more experienced bowlers than him in the Aussie line-up have also struggled in Pindi.

He needs to work on his planning in that he wants a wicket every ball instead of setting batters up.
 
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Is he really being judged based on 10ish overs on a pitch where 4 of the best bowlers in the world (Cummins, Shaheen, Hazlewood and Starc) looked ordinary, where the only wickets to fall across three days have been reverse sweep mishits and runouts and where the likes of Azhar and Imam got close to scoring double centuries without breaking a sweat....
 
Hard to judge him here. I wasn’t expecting anything major anyway in terms of wickets.

I wanted to see if there were any improvements. He bowled sharpish without being fast, not really much movement, not particularly threatening but non cannon fodder either.

If he had shown some planning, thinking etc, we could take note, but not much there and not much to work with
 
You have to give credit to the Aussies. The moment they realized that the pitch was a road with nothing in it for the bowlers, they focused on containment and drying up the runs. Had they not done this and kept on leaking boundaries, Pakistan would have put up 600 runs on the board.
 
Savak said:
You have to give credit to the Aussies. The moment they realized that the pitch was a road with nothing in it for the bowlers, they focused on containment and drying up the runs. Had they not done this and kept on leaking boundaries, Pakistan would have put up 600 runs on the board.
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There’s a big assumption that even if the Aussies had bowled 4 balls we wouldn’t have just tukked it or left it. First instinct for the pak batsmen is to leave the ball, second to play a dot.
 
TheSultan said:
Hard to judge him here. I wasn’t expecting anything major anyway in terms of wickets.

I wanted to see if there were any improvements. He bowled sharpish without being fast, not really much movement, not particularly threatening but non cannon fodder either.

If he had shown some planning, thinking etc, we could take note, but not much there and not much to work with
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If you're not expecting wickets, why is he in the side?
 
Kroll said:
If you're not expecting wickets, why is he in the side?
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I mean after the way the pitch was playing, the Aussie seamers hardly got any wickets either.

We should always want wickets, I agree with you there, but this pitch hasn’t really helped anyone
 
There are more excuses than wickets when it comes to Naseem simply because our fans cannot digest the fact that he is rubbish.

They invested too much in his hype and now they cannot to terms with the reality.

Was selected too early, got ruined by Waqar, he is injured, the captain didn’t use him properly, the pitch is unfavorable etc.

The bottom-line is that every time he has played against a major team, he has been found wanting. He has struggled to make an impact.

vs Australia 2019

Average 68, economy 3.4

England 2020

Average 69, economy 3.4

New Zealand 2021

Average 73, economy 4.5

The most consistent bowler in the world…consistently rubbish. He is probably going to end up with similar numbers in this series, but the number of excuses will be greater than his average.

Naseem Shah - big mouth, lots of bravado, massive fan base, but zero talent and skill.
 
Mamoon said:
There are more excuses than wickets when it comes to Naseem simply because our fans cannot digest the fact that he is rubbish.

They invested too much in his hype and now they cannot to terms with the reality.

Was selected too early, got ruined by Waqar, he is injured, the captain didn’t use him properly, the pitch is unfavorable etc.

The bottom-line is that every time he has played against a major team, he has been found wanting. He has struggled to make an impact.

vs Australia 2019

Average 68, economy 3.4

England 2020

Average 69, economy 3.4

New Zealand 2021

Average 73, economy 4.5

The most consistent bowler in the world…consistently rubbish. He is probably going to end up with similar numbers in this series, but the number of excuses will be greater than his average.

Naseem Shah - big mouth, lots of bravado, massive fan base, but zero talent and skill.
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Hit the nail on the head. The guys bang average and besides pace doesn’t offer nothing as a bowler..

Will get hammered by major teams period. We need to look elsewhere
 
Mamoon said:
There are more excuses than wickets when it comes to Naseem simply because our fans cannot digest the fact that he is rubbish.

They invested too much in his hype and now they cannot to terms with the reality.

Was selected too early, got ruined by Waqar, he is injured, the captain didn’t use him properly, the pitch is unfavorable etc.

The bottom-line is that every time he has played against a major team, he has been found wanting. He has struggled to make an impact.

vs Australia 2019

Average 68, economy 3.4

England 2020

Average 69, economy 3.4

New Zealand 2021

Average 73, economy 4.5

The most consistent bowler in the world…consistently rubbish. He is probably going to end up with similar numbers in this series, but the number of excuses will be greater than his average.

Naseem Shah - big mouth, lots of bravado, massive fan base, but zero talent and skill.
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So he was the one who singlehandedly failed to take a wicket today; Guess Cummins and Co all had 5fers to their names too?
 
It's a poor pitch. Reminds me of the pitches in the series vs SL in 2009. Nothing in there for the bowlers.

Even then, Naseem should be nowhere near the squad.

Bowlers need to earn their call ups. If Hasan Ali isn't fit for the next game, Sameen Gul or Abbas should be called up and be played instead.
 
TBH, I'm not interested in what xyz did or didn't do especially opposition bowlers. Shah has been picked because he is expected get wickets, especially as it is his home tests.

Sadly, Shah being carted around and not threatening nevermind picking up wickets is to be expected. Warner and co's eyes must have lit up knowing Shah was playing :))
 
What did he do to merit a recall ? Taking wickets and looking half decent in the odd pyjama league game ?

You cannot pick players on basis of what they might do in 3-4 years.
 
Hasan Ali oe anybody else would have been destroyed on this pitch..look at shaheen he looked liked a spinner to me on here
 
MenInG said:
So he was the one who singlehandedly failed to take a wicket today; Guess Cummins and Co all had 5fers to their names too?
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Naseem has never taken wickets against a good batting lineup and isn’t one-tenth of a bowler Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood are, so I am not sure what the point.

The million-dollar question is that why does he get so much protection and leeway from the fans? He is worse than Sami was in Test cricket.

When will we be ready to open our eyes and acknowledge the fact that he is a nothing bowler?
 
Mamoon said:
Naseem has never taken wickets against a good batting lineup and isn’t one-tenth of a bowler Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood are, so I am not sure what the point.

The million-dollar question is that why does he get so much protection and leeway from the fans? He is worse than Sami was in Test cricket.

When will we be ready to open our eyes and acknowledge the fact that he is a nothing bowler?
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That is the past.

We are talking about now.
 
Why would you Judge Naseem on this horrible pitch? Yeah, he is a poor bowler in general, but no need to discuss him being poor here.
 
This isn't the game to criticse him. Every pace bowler (including the world class Aussie attack) have struggled but yes he's a rubbish bowler who was picked by the brain-dead duo of Misbah and Waqar.
 
Pakistani fans are so fickle. Everyone was clamouring for his recall to the test side on the back of performances in the T20 games.

This is what is wrong with the PCB. They select and drop players on the back of T20 performances.

Hasan Ali played the entire domestic season and topped the bowling charts before he got recalled to the test side. He gets a lot of abuse for being carted in T20 Cricket but that should not be confused with his test performances.
 
Not the pitch to judge any bowler. He bowled decently
. I'm just surprised that PAK think tank, despite having access to Cricviz engine, did not have Naseem bowling exclusively from around the wicket to Warner.
 
Mamoon said:
Naseem has never taken wickets against a good batting lineup and isn’t one-tenth of a bowler Cummins, Starc and Hazlewood are, so I am not sure what the point.

The million-dollar question is that why does he get so much protection and leeway from the fans? He is worse than Sami was in Test cricket.

When will we be ready to open our eyes and acknowledge the fact that he is a nothing bowler?
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And yet you continued to support Archer? Apart from one home series against Australia, he has been rubbish in all the series that he played.

In every away series he was rubbish. And Archer is wayyyy more hyped than Naseem is. Naseem is considered a bowler with potential for the future.

Archer is considered the best all format bowler in the world by you, and yet has consistently been crap in Tests. I guess your defence will be that he single handedly won England the ODI trophy and the rules were changed for him so his performance doesn't matter.

Naseem is held to a completely different standard, just admit that.
 
Forum363 said:
And yet you continued to support Archer? Apart from one home series against Australia, he has been rubbish in all the series that he played.

In every away series he was rubbish. And Archer is wayyyy more hyped than Naseem is. Naseem is considered a bowler with potential for the future.

Archer is considered the best all format bowler in the world by you, and yet has consistently been crap in Tests. I guess your defence will be that he single handedly won England the ODI trophy and the rules were changed for him so his performance doesn't matter.

Naseem is held to a completely different standard, just admit that.
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You answered your own question. Archer won his country a World Cup. What has Naseem done?

What has Archer to be disrespected like this?

Why would you compare a World Cup winner to an abject failure?
 
Markhor said:
What did he do to merit a recall ? Taking wickets and looking half decent in the odd pyjama league game ?

You cannot pick players on basis of what they might do in 3-4 years.
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Pakistan cricket in a nutshell players picked without any good reason other than hype or being a favourite of the captain or coach.

Better players in domestic cricket not being picked Naseem should gain more experience in domestic cricket and top the averages before coming back to the international team.
 
Savak said:
Pakistani fans are so fickle. Everyone was clamouring for his recall to the test side on the back of performances in the T20 games.

This is what is wrong with the PCB. They select and drop players on the back of T20 performances.

Hasan Ali played the entire domestic season and topped the bowling charts before he got recalled to the test side. He gets a lot of abuse for being carted in T20 Cricket but that should not be confused with his test performances.
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Not everyone, he needs to prove himself in first class cricket. These sort of pull a rabbit out of the hat selections rarely work nowadays.
 
I thought he was excellent on a stone dead pitch yesterday.

He was quick and aggressive and hurried all the batsmen.

I generally don't appreciate short fast bowlers, but he has a lovely action. He's special.
 
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