[VIDEOS] No Muslim representation in India’s cabinet as Modi starts third term, is this finally the dawn of a complete hindu rashtra?

[Local.Dada]

I think you are misunderstanding.

The point was made that the 'motherland' is holy and an object of worship.

That means from east to west every inch of the land is holy and worshipped.

It makes the land that the local naan seller stands on in Faisalabad next to busy traffic equally as holy to the land of Nankana Sahib.

It was this concept I queried. Not that there is holy sites within the country but that the land itself is holy.

Calling your country Motherland is not unique to only Hindus. It’s a very common term. Basically love your country like you would love your mother. That’s the concept. Didn’t ever think this is a complicated concept. Maybe you are approaching this from a religious angle. Not my domain.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Calling your country Motherland is not unique to only Hindus. It’s a very common term. Basically love your content like you would love your mother. Didn’t ever think this is a complicated concept. Maybe you are approaching this from a religious angle. Not my domain.

My questions are in response to getting more info on this statement from Cricketjoshilla.

"The very concept of Hinduism says that the Motherland is holy and is to be worshipped."

Is this your domain?

 

[Red-Indian]

Yes you have misunderstood what I meant

I am aware there is holy sites but I wasn't aware that the land in its entirety was something that many Hindus felt was an object of worship.

Hinduism does view certain lands as holy. I'm not aware of any specific locations in modern Pakistan considered particularly holy. Historic...yes of course but not holy.

It's a syncretic religion but the heart of Vedic Hinduism has always been the Gangetic plain which is where most of the 'holy lands' are located. The animistic elements incorporated into Hinduism have their own legacy holy lands/places.

 

[Champ_Pal]

The premise of this thread is that Modi is a genocidal maniac. He is like ISIS who wants to either kick out minorities or convert them by force.

The fear mongering is pathetic. Had Modi kicked out any Muslim so far in his tenure so far? When you have fear based on irrational reasons, then it is phobia. This is more about Modiphobia or Hindutvaphobia than anything else. You have stand and applaud in awe of the fear mongering tactics of leftwing n u t t e r s and the media outlets. Their narrative is relentless.

 

[Local.Dada]

My questions are in response to getting more info on this statement from Cricketjoshilla.

"The very concept of Hinduism says that the Motherland is holy and is to be worshipped."

Is this your domain?

Maybe not but based on what I am seeing so far it’s clearly not yours either.

Hinduism is fundamentally about worshipping nature which evolved from one of the worlds first agrarian civilzations . So earth/land is considered equal to mother. Can’t believe I have to explain this but agriculture means grains, rice, vegetables that come from the soil. So land is considered divine like a mother that nourishes you . That’s the fundamental belief. There was no concept of nation-state in Hindusim. However back in the day during the heyday Bhuddhism and Jainism, way before a lot of current religions were discovered , there was a saint called Shankaracharya which 100% sure you never ever heard of ,assuming you are one of those Brit-types.

Anyways he travelled all over India to try and integrate Buddhism, Jainism and other sects into one big indigenous religion. He established “Shakti-Peethams” meaning centers of power/divine all over the Indian sub continent all they way up to current day Afghanistan covering current day India.Pak, SL, Bangladesh

I think that coordinates is what people refer today as Akhand Bharat. It’s not really any religious concept like Ghazwa-e-Hind (I am
assuming even that is made up and not religious). Now I don’t think you wanted to know the info anyways but hope it helps. Rest take it up with Joshila and get clarification no issues

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

But this is confined only to ancient India right? Like the land of Australia isn't worthy of worship to a deeply religious Hindu.

It's an interesting concept for sure. It must hurt to see the motherland divided in such a way with many parts of it occupied by non dharmic religions who don't venerate the actual soil in the same way.

Nopes, wrong again. Specific lands being super holy are kinda Abrahamic religions thing. I told you the fundamentals are very different here.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Maybe not but based on what I am seeing so far it’s clearly not yours either.

Hinduism is fundamentally about worshipping nature which evolved from one of the worlds first agrarian civilzations . So earth/land is considered equal to mother. Can’t believe I have to explain this but agriculture means grains, rice, vegetables that come from the soil. So land is considered divine like a mother that nourishes you . That’s the fundamental belief. There was no concept of nation-state in Hindusim. However back in the day during the heyday Bhuddhism and Jainism, way before a lot of current religions were discovered , there was a saint called Shankaracharya which 100% sure you never ever heard of ,assuming you are one of those Brit-types.

Anyways he travelled all over India to try and integrate Buddhism, Jainism and other sects into one big indigenous religion. He established “Shakti-Peethams” meaning centers of power/divine all over the Indian sub continent all they way up to current day Afghanistan covering current day India.Pak, SL, Bangladesh

I think that coordinates is what people refer today as Akhand Bharat. It’s not really any religious concept like Ghazwa-e-Hind (I am
assuming even that is made up and not religious). Now I don’t think you wanted to know the info anyways but hope it helps. Rest take it up with Joshila and get clarification no issues

It's not my domain hence the questions. You seem to be incorrectly attributing some sort of malice to me asking this but it's an unfamiliar concept. Thank you for your answer and to @Red-Indian.

You answer is an interesting one but the point I am trying to unearth is - is this restricted to India. Does it contain modern Pakistan? Does it also make Australia or UK worthy of worship?

I'm not overly interested in Akhand Bharat from a religious perspective but from a political perspective ( particularly how it shapes the views of political dealings) it's interesting.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nopes, wrong again. Specific lands being super holy are kinda Abrahamic religions thing. I told you the fundamentals are very different here.

It is a difficult concept to grasp for someone unfamiliar with the tradition.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I think you are misunderstanding.

The point was made that the 'motherland' is holy and an object of worship.

That means from east to west every inch of the land is holy and worshipped.

It makes the land that the local naan seller stands on in Faisalabad next to busy traffic equally as holy to the land of Nankana Sahib.

It was this concept I queried. Not that there is holy sites within the country but that the land itself is holy.

Motherland being holy is based on patriotism.
Everything worthy of respect is an aspect of one eternal God and can be worshipped. Infinite routes to praise the unending eternal ONE.
I hope that clarifies

 

[Local.Dada]

It's not my domain hence the questions. You seem to be incorrectly attributing some sort of malice to me asking this but it's an unfamiliar concept. Thank you for your answer and to @Red-Indian.

You answer is an interesting one but the point I am trying to unearth is - is this restricted to India. Does it contain modern Pakistan? Does it also make Australia or UK worthy of worship?

I'm not overly interested in Akhand Bharat from a religious perspective but from a political perspective ( particularly how it shapes the views of political dealings) it's interesting.

Ok apologies if I was snarky there but fundamentally yes if you live, earn and raise a family, have a life in Uk or Australia then you defend it and respect it like a mother. Same Concept should apply to anyone regardless of religion. Simpler word for that is loyalty.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Ok apologies if I was snarky there but fundamentally yes if you live, earn and raise a family, have a life in Uk or Australia then you defend it and respect it like a mother. Same Concept should apply to anyone regardless of religion. Simpler word for that is loyalty.

If I am not wrong, you are from UK? Whom do you support in a match between India and England?

 

[Local.Dada]

If I am not wrong, you are from UK? Whom do you support in a match between India and England?

You are wrong. I live in the USA and yes I supported USA in both India and Pak matches

 

[RexRex]

Hindutva tries to
1) Puts Indian culture first.
2) Seeks to abolish Jati Varna system AKA Caste system.

1) What is indian culture, in a land of thousand cultures and religions like India ? Such a deliberately vague term you use.
2) Does it really? How come the BJP's never spoken about the need to abolish caste system ?

 

[JaDed]

2) Does it really? How come the BJP's never spoken about the need to abolish caste system ?

The mother party did:

Varna and caste system should be discarded, says RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat

“Everything that causes discrimination should go out lock, stock and barrel,” the RSS chief said

www.thehindu.com

Congress keeps it alive we know why.

 

[RexRex]

The mother party did:

Varna and caste system should be discarded, says RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat

“Everything that causes discrimination should go out lock, stock and barrel,” the RSS chief said

www.thehindu.com

Congress keeps it alive we know why.

Yeah I saw that, wise words from the RSS chief. But the BJP is the entity that matters and gets voted in, they've never mentioned it in their public rallies, speeches, manifesto or debates. Brahmin electorate won't let the caste system go..

 

[JaDed]

Yeah I saw that, wise words from the RSS chief. But the BJP is the entity that matters and gets voted in, they've never mentioned it in their public rallies, speeches, manifesto or debates. Brahmin electorate won't let the caste system go..

No one will let the caste system go, I have seen massive hatred towards Brahmins in Tamil Nadu (there is definitely history to it) but at same time many other castes get away with it.

 

[RexRex]

No one will let the caste system go, I have seen massive hatred towards Brahmins in Tamil Nadu (there is definitely history to it) but at same time many other castes get away with it.

.. which why I called @Champ_Pal 's idea of hindutva wanting to abolish caste system a falsehood. That might have been Sarvarkar's goal but it isn't for a majority of hindus. No politician is going to publicly advocate for it.

 

[Local.Dada]

1) What is indian culture, in a land of thousand cultures and religions like India ? Such a deliberately vague term you use.
2) Does it really? How come the BJP's never spoken about the need to abolish caste system ?

Their parent org RSS does actually. They don’t beleive in caste or matter of fact they are not hung up on relgion too. They are nationalistic and at times hyper-nationalistic.

 

[Local.Dada]

No one will let the caste system go, I have seen massive hatred towards Brahmins in Tamil Nadu (there is definitely history to it) but at same time many other castes get away with it.

Hatred towards Brahmins is not limited to Tamil Nadu. In fact a lot more communist or woke type Brahmins hate “Brahmins” more than some guy with a legitimate discrimination grievance.

 

[Local.Dada]

. Brahmin electorate won't let the caste system go..

Lol this caught my attention. What world are you living in mate? There is no such thing as a Brahmin vote bank in India. maybe in North-East, Andaman etc it might exist as I am not familiar with the region.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lots of sikhs go to Lahore but I think they are mainly NRI or Canadians. The number would definitley increase if it was made easier for Punjabis to go.

Im aware there are some holy sites I just wasn't aware that the land itself was holy.

One of Hinduisms holiest site, Shakti peeth is in Balochistan.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Hatred towards Brahmins is not limited to Tamil Nadu. In fact a lot more communist or woke type Brahmins hate “Brahmins” more than some guy with a legitimate discrimination grievance.

Interestingly some of the biggest Communist leaders have been Brahmins

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Brahmin electorate won't let the caste system go..

They are 3% of the population, they don't matter to any politician and are not a vote bank

 

[FearlessRoar]

Warning:
Let's focus on constructive discussion. Please, no personal remarks towards each other

 

[mark8]

olitical appointments should reflect India's diversity. A truly inclusive democracy ensures representation for all. Unity and secularism must prevail over divisive narratives for a harmonious society.

 

[uppercut]

What is the worst that happened in the last 10 years due to this tyranny?

I have asked this question numerous times... and yet to receive a proper facts based answer from any Pakistani poster yet.

@The Bald Eagle

No response?

 

[Romali_rotti]

@The Bald Eagle

No response?

I can answer that.

India became the 5th largest economy under PM Modi during the last 10 years whilst Pakistan went from horrible to beyond no hope.

It's bad from a Pakistani point of view looking at what PM Modi has achieved.

 

[uppercut]

I can answer that.

India became the 5th largest economy under PM Modi during the last 10 years whilst Pakistan went from horrible to beyond no hope.

It's bad from a Pakistani point of view looking at what PM Modi has achieved.

yet somehow the last 10 yrs were very bad if not the worst thing to have happened for India ... but then these are the same people that think that Muslim invaders were the best thing that could have happened to India ... so no surprises there I suppose!

 

[uppercut]

olitical appointments should reflect India's diversity. A truly inclusive democracy ensures representation for all. Unity and secularism must prevail over divisive narratives for a harmonious society.

Have you lived in a Muslim majority area in India or elsewhere? Simple answer yes/no please(assuming you are a non muslim)

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@The Bald Eagle

No response?

Thanks for reminding, will come up with proper facts soon.

 

[JaDed]

olitical appointments should reflect India's diversity. A truly inclusive democracy ensures representation for all. Unity and secularism must prevail over divisive narratives for a harmonious society.

This is exactly why corporations go down when they go for gimmick than performance.
There is no point to show diversity but performance.
Parliament has representation not the government and Parliament has Muslim representation.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@The Bald Eagle

No response?

Was a bit busy today but in a 2 minute search found this



"Similarly, the BJP government’s high-handed implementation of COVID-19 lockdowns left multitudes of migrant workers stranded far from home in major cities across the country. The origins of the pandemic were also twisted into an Islamophobic conspiracy theory, with BJP leaders accusing Muslims of purposefully spreading the virus in an effort to carry out a “CoronaJihad.”

For detail plz read article below

Hindutva Is Turning India into an Autocracy. It Can Get Worse - New Lines Institute

The U.S. sees India as a growing partner in great-power competition. But the BJP-led descent into ethno-majoritarian rule could rapidly destabilize all of South Asia.

newlinesinstitute.org

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Was a bit busy today but in a 2 minute search found this

View attachment 144674

"Similarly, the BJP government’s high-handed implementation of COVID-19 lockdowns left multitudes of migrant workers stranded far from home in major cities across the country. The origins of the pandemic were also twisted into an Islamophobic conspiracy theory, with BJP leaders accusing Muslims of purposefully spreading the virus in an effort to carry out a “CoronaJihad.”

For detail plz read article below

Hindutva Is Turning India into an Autocracy. It Can Get Worse - New Lines Institute

The U.S. sees India as a growing partner in great-power competition. But the BJP-led descent into ethno-majoritarian rule could rapidly destabilize all of South Asia.

newlinesinstitute.org

Also Corona Jihad, Love Jihad, Intruders, CAA etc are plainly against one community or not @uppercut ?

 

[uppercut]

Was a bit busy today but in a 2 minute search found this

View attachment 144674

"Similarly, the BJP government’s high-handed implementation of COVID-19 lockdowns left multitudes of migrant workers stranded far from home in major cities across the country. The origins of the pandemic were also twisted into an Islamophobic conspiracy theory, with BJP leaders accusing Muslims of purposefully spreading the virus in an effort to carry out a “CoronaJihad.”

For detail plz read article below

Hindutva Is Turning India into an Autocracy. It Can Get Worse - New Lines Institute

The U.S. sees India as a growing partner in great-power competition. But the BJP-led descent into ethno-majoritarian rule could rapidly destabilize all of South Asia.

newlinesinstitute.org

what is the approx death toll of Muslims due to this tyranny?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

what is the approx death toll of Muslims due to this tyranny?

This is the figures from 2020 Delhi riots alone...let alone the whole India in the last decades

 

[uppercut]

This is the figures from 2020 Delhi riots alone...let alone the whole India in the last decades

i dont see any figures mentioned in the article you quoted.

 

[Shaheenthefalcon]

They keep your house in order before worrying about other’s. Our economy is almost under bankruptcy, begging every nation for money. It’s only few decades away pakistan will become like ukraine…if things dont take a fast you turn.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

i dont see any figures mentioned in the article you quoted.

Yep these are just of Dehli riots 2020

 

[Shaheenthefalcon]

We named our selves as “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” and we make fun of neighbors doing what they want in their own country?

 

[uppercut]

Yep these are just of Dehli riots 2020

53 people dead of which 15 are Hindus and you are saying that this was a deliberate act initiated by the BJP Government?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

53 people dead of which 15 are Hindus and you are saying that this was a deliberate act initiated by the BJP Government?

Well does not want to derail the thread but we all know who started it when Trump visited India

 

[uppercut]

Well does not want to derail the thread but we all know who started it when Trump visited India

How do you know that when the courts haven't issued any ruling yet?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

How do you know that when the courts haven't issued any ruling yet?

Bro, its not an event from 1990s, i saw this incident unfolding live on media back in 2020

 

[cricketjoshila]

Also Corona Jihad, Love Jihad, Intruders, CAA etc are plainly against one community or not @uppercut ?

Love Jihad is a social fact. With the culture of having girlfriends and boyfriends becoming very common in India, this problem has arisen.

Muslim society is far more conservative and free mixing of girls and boys is very restricted. Hence Muslim boys often chase Hindu girls. Many times by hiding their identity. Such relationships sometimes lead to tragic ends.

Bangladeshis and Rohingyas are intruders in India, they have no right to be here unless they have visas. Either they leave voluntarily or they will be forced to leave due to hostilities.

CAA doesn't concern any Indian citizen. It doesn't take away anyone's citizenship. Rather it gives citizenship to persecuted minorities of erst while undivided India of 1947.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep these are just of Dehli riots 2020

And what was the reason of those riots?

Why were Muslims creating a hostile environment in Delhi?

Blocking roads for weeks?

Why were they opposing granting of citizenship to persecuted minorities from Pakistan and Bangladesh?

What was their loss?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bro, its not an event from 1990s, i saw this incident unfolding live on media back in 2020

Can you enlighten us what happened?

 

[uppercut]

Bro, its not an event from 1990s, i saw this incident unfolding live on media back in 2020

You are saying that there is footage of first shots? So who started it based on that evidence?

 

[Romali_rotti]

They keep your house in order before worrying about other’s. Our economy is almost under bankruptcy, begging every nation for money. It’s only few decades away pakistan will become like ukraine…if things dont take a fast you turn.

Finally a Pakistani brother talking sense and thinking of reality, Instead of wasting time worrying about a CAA act in a neighbouring country

 

[Romali_rotti]

Also Corona Jihad, Love Jihad, Intruders, CAA etc are plainly against one community or not @uppercut ?

Bro, you do know that CAA was present in 1955 under the Congress government, don't you ?

All BJP did was fast track the process for the persecuted minorities to get their citizenship, how is this bad ?

How is muslims a persecuted minority in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh ?

The Muslims that left Bharat and went to Bangladesh, Pakistan etc saying they couldn't live with the Hindus of Bharat so why would their future generations want to come back to Bharat anyway ?.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

We named our selves as “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” and we make fun of neighbors doing what they want in their own country?

This irony is lost on many posters here!
Salute!!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bro, you do know that CAA was present in 1955 under the Congress government, don't you ?

All BJP did was fast track the process for the persecuted minorities to get their citizenship, how is this bad ?

How is muslims a persecuted minority in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh ?

The Muslims that left Bharat and went to Bangladesh, Pakistan etc saying they couldn't live with the Hindus of Bharat so why would their future generations want to come back to Bharat anyway ?.

Question is why should we allow them to come back?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Question is why should we allow them to come back?

We shouldn't, they left saying they don't want to be in Bharat and now they are not welcome back. Plain and simple...

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Question is why should we allow them to come back?

Purely a policy matter that affects the vote bank in certain regions and has zero impact on 99.9% of the population.
World over countries have very discriminatory policies regarding granting of citizenship to asylum seekers and immigrants. No one challenges their credentials of secularism but in India it became a life and death issue.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

This is the figures from 2020 Delhi riots alone...let alone the whole India in the last decades
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Bhai , are we doing linear extrapolation from here? Riots happened in Delhi and hence you have the number.
I am hardcore believer of Secularism and oppose CAA on ideological principle. But this CAA debate, is purely political and the modern liberal left has lost its brains in recent times.

Here is the French example on how countries can favor a particular religion and discriminate on the basis of religion. France is the epitome of a Secular state we have in history.

Crémieux Decree - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Crémieux Decree (French: Décret Crémieux; IPA: [kʁemjø]) was a law that granted French citizenship to the majority of the Jewish population in French Algeria (around 35,000), signed by the Government of National Defense on 24 October 1870 during the Franco-Prussian War.

The French have done it, Americans have done similar, the Japanese had similar policies based on religion.

Before, someone goes about this being a century old example, trust me there will be many more recent examples from recent decades if we bother to explore. I just googled, "French citizenship Jews". Since the French revolution, France has been hardcore about separation of religion from the state. If they can have discriminatory legislations regarding citizenship, one can safely assume rest of the world has been doing it on a much frequent basis.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Can you enlighten us what happened?

There is reference of court observations on this event here

And all above videos clearly shows that Hindu mob started all this which we all know has a backing of a particular party.

Also there is dedicated Wikipedia page on Delhi riots you can read that too for further clarity.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bro, you do know that CAA was present in 1955 under the Congress government, don't you ?

All BJP did was fast track the process for the persecuted minorities to get their citizenship, how is this bad ?

How is muslims a persecuted minority in Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh ?

The Muslims that left Bharat and went to Bangladesh, Pakistan etc saying they couldn't live with the Hindus of Bharat so why would their future generations want to come back to Bharat anyway ?.

Well bro, I believe India should have offered this magnanimous offer to persecuted Sri Lanka and Bengal Muslims too after all Indians themselves said that two nation theory was just a West Pakistan Punjabi dominated agenda.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Well bro, I believe India should have offered this magnanimous offer to persecuted Sri Lanka and Bengal Muslims too after all Indians themselves said that two nation theory was just a West Pakistan Punjabi dominated agenda.

Bro

Bengal is India so how can muslims from Bengal be part of the CAA

 

[cricketjoshila]

There is reference of court observations on this event here

And all above videos clearly shows that Hindu mob started all this which we all know has a backing of a particular party.

Also there is dedicated Wikipedia page on Delhi riots you can read that too for further clarity.

Bhai stop posting random youtube videos. Please post a few credible mainstream articles and we can debate over it.

Such YouTube videos and websites are found like mushroom in rainy season.

 

[FearlessRoar]

He triggered the hindutva lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1805948132255002768

 

[rpant_gabba]

Well bro, I believe India should have offered this magnanimous offer to persecuted Sri Lanka and Bengal Muslims too after all Indians themselves said that two nation theory was just a West Pakistan Punjabi dominated agenda.

Uninformed Indians.

Knowledgable indians would know that the originator of TNT was born in delhi syed ahmed khan

promoter was Kashmiri interesingly a first generation convert

executor was again a first generation convert, whose grand father converted to islam for business reasons

The supporter and agitators were Shia's and ahmediays and bengalis

Why the hell would India welcome violent bengali muslims back into the country? After all Indi adid them a favor my dealing with the the paskitani punjabis in 1971. that is plenty magnanmious. Bangldeshis were nothing but ungrateful for 2+ decades

I think what you mean my magnanmous is to be to stupid. No wonder you love the nehru clan

 

[Shaheenthefalcon]

He triggered the hindutva lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1805948132255002768

Why should any indian support palestine? They r pro israel. And they would remain so, if people dont like that, they should themselves move to palestine and help them.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

He triggered the hindutva lol

https://twitter.com/x/status/1805948132255002768

Owaisi knows how to Troll.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

A side note RSS is a party that proudly feature assassins of founder of India​

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India lifts 58-year-old ban on civil servants joining far-right RSS​

India has lifted a decades-old ban on civil servants being members of a far-right Hindu nationalist group that is the ideological parent of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ruling party, according to a government memo made public on Monday.

Several top leaders of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), including the PM himself, cut their teeth at the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), whose millions of members conduct paramilitary drills and prayer meetings.

The organisation campaigns for India to be declared a Hindu nation — rather than a secular one, as enshrined in its constitution — and critics accuse it of fomenting sectarian divisions.

Since 1966, Indian civil service rules have banned government employees from membership or participation in the activities of the RSS and the Islamist organisation Jamaat-e-Islami.

But a new official memorandum issued earlier this month and made public on Monday by BJP publicity chief Amit Malviya stated: “It has been decided to remove the mention” of RSS from the rule.

In a post on X, Malviya said the rule was an “unconstitutional order issued 58 years ago”.

The government memorandum did not mention Jamaat-e-Islami. Opposition leaders lashed out at the amendment.

Jairam Ramesh of the Congress party said “the bureaucracy can now come in knickers” — a reference to the khaki shorts that RSS members wore as part of their uniform until recently.

The RSS has briefly been declared an illegal group on three separate occasions, including after the assassination of independence hero Mahatma Gandhi by a former member.

Source: News 18

 

[CricketCartoons]

A side note RSS is a party that proudly feature assassins of founder of India​

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India lifts 58-year-old ban on civil servants joining far-right RSS​

India has lifted a decades-old ban on civil servants being members of a far-right Hindu nationalist group that is the ideological parent of Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ruling party, according to a government memo made public on Monday.

Several top leaders of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), including the PM himself, cut their teeth at the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), whose millions of members conduct paramilitary drills and prayer meetings.

The organisation campaigns for India to be declared a Hindu nation — rather than a secular one, as enshrined in its constitution — and critics accuse it of fomenting sectarian divisions.

Since 1966, Indian civil service rules have banned government employees from membership or participation in the activities of the RSS and the Islamist organisation Jamaat-e-Islami.

But a new official memorandum issued earlier this month and made public on Monday by BJP publicity chief Amit Malviya stated: “It has been decided to remove the mention” of RSS from the rule.

In a post on X, Malviya said the rule was an “unconstitutional order issued 58 years ago”.

The government memorandum did not mention Jamaat-e-Islami. Opposition leaders lashed out at the amendment.

Jairam Ramesh of the Congress party said “the bureaucracy can now come in knickers” — a reference to the khaki shorts that RSS members wore as part of their uniform until recently.

The RSS has briefly been declared an illegal group on three separate occasions, including after the assassination of independence hero Mahatma Gandhi by a former member.

Source: News 18

What is far right? And how is RSS far right?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Good move. RSS were already in govt in all but name, this at least brings them out into the public sphere openly.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Its not a secret at all.

This is how Wikipedia describes them : "The organisation aims to spread the ideology of Hindutva to "strengthen" the Hindu community and promotes an ideal of upholding an Indian culture and its civilizational values. On the other hand, the RSS has been described as "founded on the premise of Hindu supremacy", and has been accused of an intolerance of minorities, in particular anti-Muslim activities."

What is far right? And how is RSS far right?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Its not a secret at all.

This is how Wikipedia describes them : "The organisation aims to spread the ideology of Hindutva to "strengthen" the Hindu community and promotes an ideal of upholding an Indian culture and its civilizational values. On the other hand, the RSS has been described as "founded on the premise of Hindu supremacy", and has been accused of an intolerance of minorities, in particular anti-Muslim activities."

So Wikipedia now becomes proof?
Even on wiki it says that RSS has been accused of intolerance, but then that can be applied to any organization whether right or left or center.

How does it make it far right?

First we need to define what is far right, and then show evidence that it applies to RSS.

While you or anyone else brings forth the definition and evidence, I am presenting evidence against it.

Recent quotes by RSS Chief
1. Muslims are also ours.
2. Outsiders have gone, now everyone is insider.
3. Men cannot decide for women.
4. LGBTQ are part of the society and should have their private space.

These are far right?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

1. Muslims are also ours.
2. Outsiders have gone, now everyone is insider.
3. Men cannot decide for women.
4. LGBTQ are part of the society and should have their private space.

These are far right?

Well I am amazed that they have made this much progress atleast in narrative from a year back incidents
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"If 100 of us become soldiers and are prepared to kill 2 million (Muslims), then we will win ... protect India, and make it a Hindu nation," said Pooja Shakun Pandey, a senior member of the right-wing Hindu Mahasabha political party, according to a video of the event.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/01/14/asia/india-hindu-extremist-groups-intl-hnk-dst/index.ht ml

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well I am amazed that they have made this much progress atleast in narrative.

Show me any far right org whose chief even says these to even set a narrative.

And please present your definition of far right and evidence that RSS is far right. You said it is not a secret so must be easy to present.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The problem is that the left has moved so far left in intolerance that they see even centrists as far right.

It was found that in USA that democrats have moved further away while Republicans are still where they were. But the left has the biggest megaphones and platforms, so they made others look far right.

What is far right?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The problem is that the left has moved so far left in intolerance that they see even centrists as far right.

It was found that in USA that democrats have moved further away while Republicans are still where they were. But the left has the biggest megaphones and platforms, so they made others look far right.

What is far right?

Far right are those that consider minority a threat and are hell bent in suppressing and taming them

check out this statement made in 2022

"If 100 of us become soldiers and are prepared to kill 2 million (Muslims), then we will win ... protect India, and make it a Hindu nation," said Pooja Shakun Pandey, a senior member of the right-wing Hindu Mahasabha political party, according to a video of the event.
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I have also provided source of this quote in post 228. Also let alone foreign newspaper even some Indian newspaper also term RSS as far right elements

 

[CricketCartoons]

Far right are those that consider minority a threat and are hell bent in suppressing and taming them

check out this statement made in 2022

"If 100 of us become soldiers and are prepared to kill 2 million (Muslims), then we will win ... protect India, and make it a Hindu nation," said Pooja Shakun Pandey, a senior member of the right-wing Hindu Mahasabha political party, according to a video of the event.
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I have also provided source of this quote in post 228. Also let alone foreign newspaper even some Indian newspaper also term RSS as far right elements

The left in India terms brahmins a threat and spreads hate speech against them. Since brahmins are a minority, by your definition, the Indian left is actually far right.

See the flaw in your definition. Seems it is arbitrary.

Pooja Shakun Pandey is from RSS? It says Hindu Mahasabha.

Can I call PTI far right? Imran Khan described Laden as martyr. Senator Azam Swati said "I and Imran Khan curse Qadaniyat". Cursing a minority makes PTI far right? Or you will amend your definition so that it doesn't apply to PTI?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The left in India terms brahmins a threat and spreads hate speech against them. Since brahmins are a minority, by your definition, the Indian left is actually far right.

See the flaw in your definition. Seems it is arbitrary.

Pooja Shakun Pandey is from RSS? It says Hindu Mahasabha.

Can I call PTI far right? Imran Khan described Laden as martyr. Senator Azam Swati said "I and Imran Khan curse Qadaniyat". Cursing a minority makes PTI far right? Or you will amend your definition so that it doesn't apply to PTI?

Well by your definition even wahabis and shias would be a minority in Pakistan, although they are too Muslims lol.

And I stand by my definition. Even if IK's party come under fire for it. Just for your information the same IK appointed a qadiyani as his finance advisor but later had to remove him owing to public pressure. And Mr cricketcartoon, have you forgotten on which ideology RSS was founded.Should I quote it for you? Hint it's the same party who ruled Germany in 1930s.

Anyway you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Well by your definition even wahabis and shias would be a minority in Pakistan, although they are too Muslims lol.

And I stand by my definition. Even if IK's party come under fire for it. Just for your information the same IK appointed a qadiyani as his finance advisor but later had to remove him owing to public pressure. And Mr cricketcartoon, have you forgotten on which ideology RSS was founded.Should I quote it for you? Hint it's the same party who ruled Germany in 1930s.

Anyway you are entitled to your opinion.

Imran Khan himself used the term qadiani during his election campaign. What is PTIs views on LGBT? What is PTIs views on Ahmadiyas?

So that makes PTI far left.

RSS was formed in 1925. Are you saying it was based on the Nazi party? Proof please.

Maybe you will use quotes where Golwalkar praised Hitler, but that was in a book which was published in 1939 when entire world was praising Germany and Hitler, including the British Prime Minister and Henry Ford. Peoples views changed after holocaust, including Golwalker who condemned Hitler for his actions.

Unless you have something else. Please provide.

But we have settled that PTI is far left, right?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Imran Khan himself used the term qadiani during his election campaign. What is PTIs views on LGBT? What is PTIs views on Ahmadiyas?

So that makes PTI far left.

RSS was formed in 1925. Are you saying it was based on the Nazi party? Proof please.

Maybe you will use quotes where Golwalkar praised Hitler, but that was in a book which was published in 1939 when entire world was praising Germany and Hitler, including the British Prime Minister and Henry Ford. Peoples views changed after holocaust, including Golwalker who condemned Hitler for his actions.

Unless you have something else. Please provide.

But we have settled that PTI is far left, right?

Lol unlike India Pakistan is an Islamic state. Do you expect PTI to approve of LGBT how comical. Also in Pakistan there is no such thing as LGBT minority may be you are confusing India's situation with Pakistan. And on qadiyani group let alone IK even no PTI leader has justified their killings or massacre as RSS leaders have done in India over the years. Yes PTI could be a right wing party but not far right as we all find in India

 

[CricketCartoons]

Lol..unlike India Pakistan is an Islamic state. Do you expect PTI to approve of LGBT how comical. Also in Pakistan there is no such thing as LGBT minority may be you are confusing India's situation with Pakistan. And on qadiyani group let alone IK even no PTI leader has justified their killings or massacre as RSS leaders have done in India over the years. Yes PTI could be a right wing party but not far right as we all find in India

Ok, so we only differ on how much right wing PTI is. Far right or just right wing.

Btw I support right wing. I only have problem with far right term because it is used negatively by the far left.

The example of a leaders quote you gave was not of RSS, but another organization.

When I have already presented the quotes of the RSS chief, what more do you want?

Show me any far right group whose chief talks positively about women, gays and religious minorities. Forget about action, just show me the words by the chief of any far right party.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Ok, so we only differ on how much right wing PTI is. Far right or just right wing.

Btw I support right wing. I only have problem with far right term because it is used negatively by the far left.

The example of a leaders quote you gave was not of RSS, but another organization.

When I have already presented the quotes of the RSS chief, what more do you want?

Show me any far right group whose chief talks positively about women, gays and religious minorities. Forget about action, just show me the words by the chief of any far right party.

Your country needs a hindu rashtra. Until you have it you will always be mired in useless debates about far left or far right. Once Bharat is truly established then there will no longer be any need to indulge in such useless semantics.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Your country needs a hindu rashtra. Until you have it you will always be mired in useless debates about far left or far right. Once Bharat is truly established then there will no longer be any need to indulge in such useless semantics.

Far left or far right doesn't change if you become islamic nation or hindu nation. The principles remain the same: how do you treat the weaker sections of the society.

Pakistan is a nation where all parties are right wing. Being Islamic nation doesn't change that.

 

[Local.Dada]

Lol unlike India Pakistan is an Islamic state. Do you expect PTI to approve of LGBT how comical. Also in Pakistan there is no such thing as LGBT minority may be you are confusing India's situation with Pakistan. And on qadiyani group let alone IK even no PTI leader has justified their killings or massacre as RSS leaders have done in India over the years. Yes PTI could be a right wing party but not far right as we all find in India

Yeah Pakistan is an Islamic state so everything goes but since India claims to be secular we are accountable to every random Pakistani.

By the way RSS was not in any power center or at the negotiating table during partition nor BJP was in power during 1971. make whatever of that.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Lol unlike India Pakistan is an Islamic state. Do you expect PTI to approve of LGBT how comical. Also in Pakistan there is no such thing as LGBT minority may be you are confusing India's situation with Pakistan. And on qadiyani group let alone IK even no PTI leader has justified their killings or massacre as RSS leaders have done in India over the years. Yes PTI could be a right wing party but not far right as we all find in India

There is no LGBT minority in Pakistan?? Really? What's the basis for this fantastic claim sir?
Pakistan already has Transgender Person (Protection of Rights) Act 2018.I think IK was in parliament when the law was passed. We also had a funny thread about some old guy trying to open a gay club in Abottabad, didn't we?
Its a separate topic whether the LGBT have any rights in Pakistan, but just because their rights are non-existent doesn't mean that they don't exist.