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[VIDEOS/PICTURES] Is Shaheen Shah Afridi the best fast-bowler in the world right now?

unfortunate missed a 5 fer, the reason we won the game his bowling klassen left stranded
 
Shaheen has had a great comeback so far. I really like how his pace is up and he is bowling a good channel as well. Brilliant spell last night. Miller's wicket was a key
 
Top bowler and a genuine match winner.


Just not a consistently dominant bowler.
 
Does he have in him to go past atleast 200 test wickets at avg under 30? And atleast 500 international wickets as well?

If yes, that’s a good first step in revival.
 
In the last game shaheen kept his pace up and he seems to have returned to his pre injury self.

He's a good bowler when on song and he should just focus playing odi and t20. He's useless in red ball and will just get injured if he plays.

Also lol at 3rd best pakistani pacer after wasim and imran.

Waqar, Umar gul, Junaid Khan, Sohaib akhtar and many others were better then him.
 
Mamoon said:
He is the third best pacer in Pakistan history after Wasim and Imran. Only injuries stand in his way, but hopefully those days are behind him now.
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Bro what has happened to you.

Seem to be losing that spark of critical analysis and just doing PakPremi type posts where you just love every Pak player.
 
Ab Fan said:
No, he is not.

Waqar and Shoaib are better than him.
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Waqar would have been barely better than Rauf in today’s era. He was a huge beneficiary of ball tampering and bowling to lineups that 3-4 bunnies.

Shoaib has a joke of a legacy. Shaheen is already only 59 wickets away from surpassing his tally in Tests and he hasn’t even hit his peak yet.
 
Gul was rubbish with the new ball. Yes he was much better than Shaheen at the death, but I rate bowlers who are a weapon with the new ball.

No one looked at Gul as a threat with the new ball. No opening batsman feared him. He couldn’t swing the ball and at best, jagged it off the seam.

Every opening batsman fears Shaheen with the new ball. Shaheen with a new ball is a story in itself.

Junaid was also similar to Gul. He was good with the new ball in patches only. He was also someone who relied heavily on reverse swing and in addition, he was a chucker. There is absolutely no way he was better than Shaheen.
 
Mamoon said:
Gul was rubbish with the new ball. Yes he was much better than Shaheen at the death, but I rate bowlers who are a weapon with the new ball.

No one looked at Gul as a threat with the new ball. No opening batsman feared him. He couldn’t swing the ball and at best, jagged it off the seam.

Every opening batsman fears Shaheen with the new ball. Shaheen with a new ball is a story in itself.

Junaid was also similar to Gul. He was good with the new ball in patches only. He was also someone who relied heavily on reverse swing and in addition, he was a chucker. There is absolutely no way he was better than Shaheen.
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Gul with the new ball got rid of an atg sa team in 2013? 5 wickets and 6 runs given?

He achieved 5 wickets for 6 runs in t20 twice in his career?
 
mominsaigol said:
Gul with the new ball got rid of an atg sa team in 2013? 5 wickets and 6 runs given?

He achieved 5 wickets for 6 runs in t20 twice in his career?
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T20s are different. The real ability of a pacer with the new ball is reflected in Test and ODIs.

Besides, that 5 wicket haul vs NZ in 2009 was a bit dodgy. The ball was reversing.
 
Mamoon said:
T20s are different. The real ability of a pacer with the new ball is reflected in Test and ODIs.

Besides, that 5 wicket haul vs NZ in 2009 was a bit dodgy. The ball was reversing.
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No it isn't? Infact test pacers are better if they learn how to operate with the old ball? Test isn't just about new ball spells.

As for Odi, so it's good to be a 5 over Bully and a 5 over death trundler?
 
Mamoon said:
Waqar would have been barely better than Rauf in today’s era. He was a huge beneficiary of ball tampering and bowling to lineups that 3-4 bunnies.

Shoaib has a joke of a legacy. Shaheen is already only 59 wickets away from surpassing his tally in Tests and he hasn’t even hit his peak yet.
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Would have, could have has no place in this world. There is no evidence suggesting if Waqar used the tampered balls in 10 tests or 50 tests. Ultimately he is rated for his output and that is what he should be rated. He has done a bit of minnow bashing like everyone does and maybe a bit more but otherwise no other pacer except Bumrah is anywhere close to him in this millennium. Even Shami is comfortably behind.

Shoaib was a top bowler of his era. Quality of wickets matter. Shaheen has a very poor average vs non minnows( well in 30s). Even if he picks 159 wickets more( let alone 59) which he most likely not given his lack of interest in tests and the bowling average he is having, he may still remain behind Shoaib unless he produces spells worth remembering vs quality teams.
 
Mamoon said:
Waqar would have been barely better than Rauf in today’s era. He was a huge beneficiary of ball tampering and bowling to lineups that 3-4 bunnies.

Shoaib has a joke of a legacy. Shaheen is already only 59 wickets away from surpassing his tally in Tests and he hasn’t even hit his peak yet.
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Shaheen is on track to becoming one of Pakistan’s greatest fast bowlers. However, to be considered the best in Pakistan’s history, he needs to dominate in Test cricket, particularly against India and SENA countries, and win test matches single-handedly. Has he though?

I’ve seen your sensational takes on Waqar Younis, but there’s no evidence to suggest his incredible record was due to ball tampering. His success came from exceptional skill, as acknowledged by his peers.

Shoaib Akhtar, meanwhile, has won Tests against SENA sides and India on the flattest tracks, and he was instrumental in Pakistan’s domination of Australia’s star-studded ODI team on their home turf in 2001 ODI series.

Shaheen hasn’t surpassed Waqar or Shoaib yet, but he’s certainly on his way.
 
Ab Fan said:
Would have, could have has no place in this world. There is no evidence suggesting if Waqar used the tampered balls in 10 tests or 50 tests. Ultimately he is rated for his output and that is what he should be rated. He has done a bit of minnow bashing like everyone does and maybe a bit more but otherwise no other pacer except Bumrah is anywhere close to him in this millennium. Even Shami is comfortably behind.

Shoaib was a top bowler of his era. Quality of wickets matter. Shaheen has a very poor average vs non minnows( well in 30s). Even if he picks 159 wickets more( let alone 59) which he most likely not given his lack of interest in tests and the bowling average he is having, he may still remain behind Shoaib unless he produces spells worth remembering vs quality teams.
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Exactly! @Mamoon seems to think everyone in the 90s was clueless, letting Waqar do whatever he pleased. His takes make it sound like the entire cricketing world was asleep but somehow Mamoon has the secrets.

Shoaib, though, was a completely different animal. People tuned in just to watch him bowl—he was pure box office. At his peak, he made 600-run pitches look like 150. He single-handedly destroyed superior SENA batting lineups and rolled them over on the flattest Pakistani highways—the kind of pitches Naseem and Shaheen now moan about. It’s rubbish to compare these friendly and sweet guys with Akhtar who was mean and ruthless. The excuse is 187 wickets, with no regard for what bowling at 155 does to your body and PCB’s idiotic management.
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
But is he better than Asif?
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In ODIs and T20s, sure. But in Test cricket? Not yet.

Shaheen is improving, though. He recently added the away-swinger during the Australia ODI series, and we’ve started to see some reverse swing from him in this series. His pace, consistently in the high 130s, is ideal if backed by skill. If he keeps this up, he has the potential to surpass Asif in Test cricket.
 
Farabi said:
In ODIs and T20s, sure. But in Test cricket? Not yet.

Shaheen is improving, though. He recently added the away-swinger during the Australia ODI series, and we’ve started to see some reverse swing from him in this series. His pace, consistently in the high 130s, is ideal if backed by skill. If he keeps this up, he has the potential to surpass Asif in Test cricket.
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Naw he's a rubbish test cricketer.

Solid odi and t20 player when onsong but shaheen just doesn't have the stamina to bowl long spells nor does he know how to bowl with the old ball.

In test cricket learning to bowl with the old ball is a greater skill then learning how to bowl with the new ball.
 
Not the best one out there but he certainly is among the top 10 when he is on song. The current Shaheen is looking good and getting his rhythm back so I hope that he can be 100% fit and in form as CT is coming and we need him.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Not the best one out there but he certainly is among the top 10 when he is on song. The current Shaheen is looking good and getting his rhythm back so I hope that he can be 100% fit and in form as CT is coming and we need him.
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Not even close to his 2019 self atm. Don't get me wrong he's good but his 2019 self was a perfect replacement to Amir.

Atm he's more or less a prime 2017 Hasan Ali level bowler, aka wicket taking, economical but nothing special in the long run.

But good thing is, he's getting his rhythm back rather then being a member of the trundler brigade.
 
mominsaigol said:
Not even close to his 2019 self atm. Don't get me wrong he's good but his 2019 self was a perfect replacement to Amir.

Atm he's more or less a prime 2017 Hasan Ali level bowler, aka wicket taking, economical but nothing special in the long run.

But good thing is, he's getting his rhythm back rather then being a member of the trundler brigade.
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Yeah you are right. He is still on his prime yet but he is slowly getting his feet up and running...
 
BouncerGuy said:
You were. you just don't accept... LOL... anyways hopefully we see shaheen back up and running at full gear.
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My main comments are usually about

1) Travis Head( Haven't been wrong about him so far. Anytime he's downplayed he bullies India or England or SA into submission)

2) Babar (Never said he was a bad odi batterz even backed him, called him rubbish in test and t20 and so far he's only looked good in odi and rubbish in test and t20)

3) Rizwan (The day I am wrong about rizwan is the day hell freezes over)

4) Ashwin and Jadeja( Good players but Home Track bullies, not even in bootlicking distance of pollock)

That's all I talk about . Have not been wrong even once.

And before you say this thread is not about Shaheen.

I will say shaheen shaheen
 
mominsaigol said:
My main comments are usually about

1) Travis Head( Haven't been wrong about him so far. Anytime he's downplayed he bullies India or England or SA into submission)

2) Babar (Never said he was a bad odi batterz even backed him, called him rubbish in test and t20 and so far he's only looked good in odi and rubbish in test and t20)

3) Rizwan (The day I am wrong about rizwan is the day hell freezes over)

4) Ashwin and Jadeja( Good players but Home Track bullies, not even in bootlicking distance of pollock)

That's all I talk about . Have not been wrong even once.

And before you say this thread is not about Shaheen.

I will say shaheen shaheen
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Do you still believe that Rizwan is one of the worst captaincy appointments in Pakistan history?
 
Mamoon said:
Do you still believe that Rizwan is one of the worst captaincy appointments in Pakistan history?
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Will respond in an appropriate thread. However short answer: No.

He's been a good captain so far. And I have to accept it.

I have reservations about him as a player, but as a captain good onfield captain, good odi cap, rubbish t20 cap.

Afterthis we can discuss in a proper thread.
 
Looks like Shaheen is done with Test cricket.

Aqib Javed claimed that he was resting for Champions Trophy and that's why he wasn't playing Tests in SA.

But that didn't stop PCB from giving NOC to SSA to perform in Bangladesh Premier League.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Looks like Shaheen is done with Test cricket.

Aqib Javed claimed that he was resting for Champions Trophy and that's why he wasn't playing Tests in SA.

But that didn't stop PCB from giving NOC to SSA to perform in Bangladesh Premier League.
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Sad to see it has come to this.
 
Shaheen on song is the most fearsome bowler in the world. I know people will say Bhumrah and Cummins or Rabada are better and they do have the numbers but Shaheen has been struggling with injuries. He seems to be back at his best now. Opposition teams should be very afraid. Feb 23 may also be the last of Kholi and Sharma in ODIs if Shaheen is bowling like he did vs SA. Pure matchwinner.
 
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