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Looking forward to him doing something on this pitch - very low score to defend but would love to see him perform.
 
Decent pace but 8 runs in his first over

1 . 137.2
2. 142.6
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4. 139.5
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6. 141.3 kph
 
147.2 kph ball ... Musa quick but Australia batsmen better
 
Exactly as predicted.

Hasnain is tall enough to bowl a full length and get enough bounce to slow the scoring.

Musa is so short that he pitches short to get that bounce, and he gets slaughtered.

Predictable. Inevitable. Sad.
 
I can't believe they're not running through the Australia batting line up on debut. Shocked I tell you
 
Obviously early to tell, but even his domestic record suggested that he hasn't developed enough control
 
It would be utter stupidity to judge a fast bowler based on his performance in debut against australia in australia in t20 format
 
As pointed out by other posters, he will need more than pace to succeed at international level because of his lack of height.

If he can't move the ball I don't think he's going to make much progress.
 
Only picked for the national team because misbah and waqar are affiliated with iu.


Nowhere near good as Naseem Shah or Hasnain.
 
Barragan said:
Only picked for the national team because misbah and waqar are affiliated with iu.


Nowhere near good as Naseem Shah or Hasnain.
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Haris Rauf deserved an opportunity.

No ideas what the selectors are up to here.
 
Haris rauf is at least 6 feet, i met him in sialkot a few days ago. Musa is pacier though.
 
With a kookaburra ball that doesn’t swing control and variety is everything. Musa has none. The faster he bowls the quicker he will be dispatched to the boundary. Having him and another rookie like husnain in the line up is criminal. You can only afford 4 loose overs in t20 not 8
 
Excellent pace for his age.

Seemed a little impatient at times, which happens with most young pacers.
 
Lets not judge him based on one outing and that too in australia again warner and finch in red hot form. Needs a lot of work on his bowling mind.
 
Shouldn't have been thrown into the lions den like this with no backup except for Amir.
 
Typical of the wrist slitting mentality , this is a batting paradise, the sole blame lies with the batsman
 
Looks good to be a outswing bowler. He should concentrate on movement and accuracy.

He has enough pace to surprise the batter with the occasional short ball.

Height is not the end of all.
 
Rayyman said:
Haris Rauf deserved an opportunity.

No ideas what the selectors are up to here.
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Could have even selected Naseem Shah for this series, so he could have some practice before the Test matches.

Haris would have been a better option as well.
 
Abid Z said:
With a kookaburra ball that doesn’t swing control and variety is everything. Musa has none. The faster he bowls the quicker he will be dispatched to the boundary. Having him and another rookie like husnain in the line up is criminal. You can only afford 4 loose overs in t20 not 8
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The selectors get killed for not having youngsters in the lineup. Cant win.
 
MenInG said:
The selectors get killed for not having youngsters in the lineup. Cant win.
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I think it’s about striking a happy medium. You can’t just throw somebody into international matches because they bowl at 145kph. If that was the case nanty Heywood or Shaun tait would have been stars but at least they were tall. Seems that we just don’t learn. We’ve surely got better talker pacers than this who can bowl with a degree of variety and control.
 
His first ball was good almost catching the edge:sarf2 It's looking good:ma
 
It was a decent performance considering the circumstances of the debut. His length was nice and full and didn't bowl too short. The only problem was that he bowled the odd bad ball that got punished. He had more control than Hasnain, who sprayed it tonight. He didn't have much backup either, Amir bowled bad today, he was too short, should have pitched it up.
 
Too early to judge him yet at international level. I remember how everyone bashed Shaheen after his first PSL match and then after his first international match as well.

As I said before he needs to work on consistency of his lines and lengths as with his height he cant afford poor deliveries.
 
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People are so quick to judge when hes not even 20 and yet to learn the art of fast bowling.

I don't know what people are expecting, they keep asking for more youngsters in the side at the expense of senior experienced bowlers and expect to see better performances, when in reality they are no different because of their lack of experience. Glad they didn't play him in the other matches as it might have done more harm than good.

Personally I don't think we was that bad, and his pace is the thing going for him considering hes only 19, but needs to work on other skills like control of his wrist position and of his lengths.

Giving him a taste of international cricket will hopefully motivate him more to learn more skills.
 
Yes people are right to say that don’t judge him on one T20 etc., but the reality is that there is a 99.9% chance that he will not be good enough.

I don’t think Pakistan has the capacity to produce elite players anymore. Babar is an exception and he was earmarked for stardom at the age of 13.

He is a prodigy, and I don’t think we have other such prodigies in the system at the moment. It is very hard to trust and have faith in the players who are coming through.
 
Titan24 said:
Too early to judge him yet at international level. I remember how everyone bashed Shaheen after his first PSL match and then after his first international match as well.

As I said before he needs to work on consistency of his lines and lengths as with his height he cant afford poor deliveries.
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Being able to work on line and length is elementary. You learn this before entering international matches not midway. Shaheen at least height, pace bounce swing and control. He is still a work in progress.

Musa needs to be in domestic for another season at least. Given his height I’m sceptical if he is even a long term prospect.
 
WengerOut said:
Not that i agree with him, but you can direct that rhetoric to everyone in this thread, right? Then it will defeat the purpose of this thread.
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We are writing him off in one match - that's my point.

Its ok to analyze this performance but Bilawal Bhatti had many chances - this guy's played his first game.
 
He is 19 years old. Those writing him off now will come back to regret this. He will become a good fast bowler if he stays fit.
 
Foolishly rushed into international cricket well before he's ready by management.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes people are right to say that don’t judge him on one T20 etc., but the reality is that there is a 99.9% chance that he will not be good enough.

I don’t think Pakistan has the capacity to produce elite players anymore. Babar is an exception and he was earmarked for stardom at the age of 13.


He is a prodigy, and I don’t think we have other such prodigies in the system at the moment. It is very hard to trust and have faith in the players who are coming through.
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Shaheen and Naseem Shah?
 
Pakistan is only producing fast bowlers but not quality fast bowlers. I only see Shahin as a promising one but too early to say
 
Mickey Arthur speaking on TV:

"It was hard for the likes of Musa but there's clear talent there with Musa and Hasnain. Those guys are going to be really good bowlers. They'll need some experience. Musa is a little bit like a slinger, the old Jeff Thomson like. He hurries you, he has good pace, he's flat and skids it on. With him and SSA, they made a really good partnership with one right arm skiddy and the other left arm quick swinging it back in"
 
Captain caveman said:
Give the kid a chance, musa under waqar's guidance will be a decent international bowler.
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You can write it now, he won't shine. His action says it.. I can't explain why but I have such strong feeling about it. Naseem Shah seems a much better prospect
 
I woke up early in the morning today, but on 2nd ball Babar got out .... and I went back to sleep. By the time I opened laptop again, first sight was Warner slashing Amir to 3rd man fence.... but, I did watch Musa bowling.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I have to say people who are riding high horses will be disappointed in couple of years time. As I recheck the data to figure out a reasoning (of this hype), I find his FC average of 37 with an economy of 4; for List A those stats read 45/7.2 and for T20 28/9.8 .... I have to add a footnote that this entire career stats are built on bowling to PAK batsmen mostly.....

Quite ordinary stats to be honest - but still, why that much hype? Surely PP can’t be that delusional and the guy is a midget, fast bowling version of our Mushi (though Mushi is a WK and does know his other job a little) - what could be reason. I found that, recorded that in writing and based on that the finding, I can safely say the hype won’t last long.

The reason of the hype is a fundamental error of not using contextual information- this guy looked million bucks kid in 2018 U19 WC, and rightly so - for a 17 years old boy, he was exceptional. Problem is, I have seen him in HD camera today - guy was born minimum six years old kid, and at 17, in U17 WC, at least a 23-25 years old man was bowling to kids. Imran went to UK in 1971 at similar age, and 3 years later he went back full 2 inch taller.... from that same U19 WC, I can see our Afif growing at least 2 inch, but this guy Musa looks like has squeezed couple of inches!!!!

As I said, I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but equally surprised if this guy adds much of a pace with his current stage. Most fast bowlers are fastest between their biological age of 23-25 (it’s statistically & scientifically proven) and this guy spend that time bashing U19 kids - he might add few tricks and a yard due to the training and mentoring at national set-up, but forget about the hype .... it’s not happening, in 3-4 years time he’ll become what is officially 27 years old Amir these days, without that skill and at least 4 inch shorter.
 
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MMHS said:
I woke up early in the morning today, but on 2nd ball Babar got out .... and I went back to sleep. By the time I opened laptop again, first sight was Warner slashing Amir to 3rd man fence.... but, I did watch Musa bowling.

I would love to be proven wrong, but I have to say people who are riding high horses will be disappointed in couple of years time. As I recheck the data to figure out a reasoning (of this hype), I find his FC average of 37 with an economy of 4; for List A those stats read 45/7.2 and for T20 28/9.8 .... I have to add a footnote that this entire career stats are built on bowling to PAK batsmen mostly.....

Quite ordinary stats to be honest - but still, why that much hype? Surely PP can’t be that delusional and the guy is a midget, fast bowling version of our Mushi (though Mushi is a WK and does know his other job a little) - what could be reason. I found that, recorded that in writing and based on that the finding, I can safely say the hype won’t last long.

The reason of the hype is a fundamental error of not using contextual information- this guy looked million bucks kid in 2018 U19 WC, and rightly so - for a 17 years old boy, he was exceptional. Problem is, I have seen him in HD camera today - guy was born minimum six years old kid, and at 17, in U17 WC, at least a 23-25 years old man was bowling to kids. Imran went to UK in 1971 at similar age, and 3 years later he went back full 2 inch taller.... from that same U19 WC, I can see our Afif growing at least 2 inch, but this guy Musa looks like has squeezed couple of inches!!!!

As I said, I’ll be happy to be proven wrong, but equally surprised if this guy adds much of a pace with his current stage. Most fast bowlers are fastest between their biological age of 23-25 (it’s statistically & scientifically proven) and this guy spend that time bashing U19 kids - he might add few tricks and a yard due to the training and mentoring at national set-up, but forget about the hype .... it’s not happening, in 3-4 years time he’ll become what is officially 27 years old Amir these days, without that skill and at least 4 inch shorter.
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"I woke up early in the morning today, but on 2nd ball Babar got out .... and I went back to sleep. "
Quote of the week!
 
Quick but will always have the same issues as Sami and Hasan Ali.

Height is a big thing in SENA countries where the wickets don't provide much. That extra bounce is the factor Shaheen manages to deceive so many batsmen on really dead wickets.
 
Captain caveman said:
"I woke up early in the morning today, but on 2nd ball Babar got out .... and I went back to sleep. "
Quote of the week!
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Based on the outcome, you have to agree that it was quite a wise call - sacrificing my 1.5 hours sleep wasn't worthy of the grand show. Had Fazar wakth not started at 5:30, I would have missed the Musa show as well.
 
Looked ok to me. Needs more exposure in domestic etc.
 
MMHS said:
Based on the outcome, you have to agree that it was quite a wise call - sacrificing my 1.5 hours sleep wasn't worthy of the grand show. Had Fazar wakth not started at 5:30, I would have missed the Musa show as well.
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Like i have always said brother, you are one of the wisest people on this forum.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Good pace. Height is a handicap.
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I said this before the series begun. He has lots of enthusiasm and aggression, but he would have to be lightning quick, or get prodigous swing to be effective at international level. Haris Rauf or Hasnain look more likely to succeed to me.
 
I want youngsters to be picked but only when they are ready.

I don't want to write-off Musa after one match but his selection was a surprise to me.
 
Saj said:
I want youngsters to be picked but only when they are ready.

I don't want to write-off Musa after one match but his selection was a surprise to me.
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Actually pacers should be fast tracked, its how we have always done things i.e. Imran, Miandad fast tracking Wasim, Waqar, Aqib and then later they picked Shoaib. Fast bowlers are always going to be injury prone so best to pick them early and make full use of them.
 
This is absolutely pathetic the way PCB handles youngsters. Raw, underdeveloped players debuting in every series only to be forgotten and disposed of by the end of the season. This is like throwing stones after stones blindly into the pond and hoping one or two will hit a fish. Geniuses here has a weird reasoning that making teenagers facing the toughest of opponents at the very beginning of their career and letting them getting thrashed in the process will somehow make them mentally stronger, no it WON"T. They are budding athletes not gladiators. Crazy how an entire cricket board is surrendering to the whims and wishes of fanboyz and armchair critics.
 
Kroll said:
Shouldn't have been thrown into the lions den like this with no backup except for Amir.
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Agreed. Whether he comes off or not, the downside is too much to throw a young fast bowler to the wolves like this. Have him play county before since Pakistan does not do A tours.
 
The problem with the Musa pick is that he still is inexperienced and doesn't have much performances of note.

Whilst, Naseem has performances to back up his selection, Musa doesn't really.
 
Hyperion66 said:
BTW about Musa, only kids his age will judge him based on a friggin t20.
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I didn't even watch the game and I agree. There's this thing called 'time', and that's something you gotta give to new players who are starting their international careers.
 
People are getting carried away. It's a T20 match where players can look like a star one day and a scrub the next. He's raw, young and has pace. He didn't do well but still a great experience for him to learn and work on back in domestic.
 
He doesn't have glowing domestic stats as per people here. So he is not yet proved in domestics as well.
 
Think it’s fought making your debut in Australia, he needs time.

Honestly think t-20 is wrong format for him and think one day internationals and even more test cricket is suited to him. Due to the length he bowls.
 
Anyone who writes off a 19 year old after a t20 match at Perth against the 2 mist explosive openers in world cricket clearly ha no knowledge of the sport and have had a typical Pakistani knee jerk reaction.
 
Mamoon said:
Yes people are right to say that don’t judge him on one T20 etc., but the reality is that there is a 99.9% chance that he will not be good enough.

I don’t think Pakistan has the capacity to produce elite players anymore. Babar is an exception and he was earmarked for stardom at the age of 13.

He is a prodigy, and I don’t think we have other such prodigies in the system at the moment. It is very hard to trust and have faith in the players who are coming through.
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People and coaches have been talking very highly about Naseem for almost 2 years, and he's only 16. I think it's common knowledge that Naseem is a far better bowler than Musa.

If Naseem doens't do well in the test series, I wouldn't be surprised if half the people on this forum write him off and say he is useless. In fact they would write him off even if he got 5 wickets every game but doesn't get Smith out, because those are the expectations of half of our fans.
 
Savak said:
Actually pacers should be fast tracked, its how we have always done things i.e. Imran, Miandad fast tracking Wasim, Waqar, Aqib and then later they picked Shoaib. Fast bowlers are always going to be injury prone so best to pick them early and make full use of them.
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Everyone on that list was a minimum of 6'0 (Waqar, Aaqib and Shoaib) when selected.

Like Shaheen Shah Afridi, I don't have a problem with extreme youth if the player is at least 6'0 tall. But nobody shorter than that has a snowball's chance in Hell of success, and it is stupid to pick them as fast bowlers.

You can't be an EPL goalie or an NBA player either if you're short.
 
Junaids said:
Everyone on that list was a minimum of 6'0 (Waqar, Aaqib and Shoaib) when selected.

Like Shaheen Shah Afridi, I don't have a problem with extreme youth if the player is at least 6'0 tall. But nobody shorter than that has a snowball's chance in Hell of success, and it is stupid to pick them as fast bowlers.

You can't be an EPL goalie or an NBA player either if you're short.
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Brilliant, you're comparing Basketball and Football with Cricket. They are obviously very similar sports, afterall they all involve a ball and that is enough similarity.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION], Musa can hit out too and he is pretty decent with the bat as well.
 
Junaids said:
Everyone on that list was a minimum of 6'0 (Waqar, Aaqib and Shoaib) when selected.

Like Shaheen Shah Afridi, I don't have a problem with extreme youth if the player is at least 6'0 tall. But nobody shorter than that has a snowball's chance in Hell of success, and it is stupid to pick them as fast bowlers.

You can't be an EPL goalie or an NBA player either if you're short.
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Dale Steyn, Bumrah, Shami, Chaminda Vaas are about 5'10. Malinga is 5'8. Another who is probably not of the same calibre but generated a lot of pace was Kemar Roach at 5'7.

6 feet is definitely the average height for fast bowlers. But talent and skill can make exceptions it seems. How tall is Musa anyway? I think discounting ANYTHING under 6 feet might be too tough. If he's like 5'5 then of course it's going to be very hard.
 
Boiz Played Well said:
Dale Steyn, Bumrah, Shami, Chaminda Vaas are about 5'10. Malinga is 5'8. Another who is probably not of the same calibre but generated a lot of pace was Kemar Roach at 5'7.

6 feet is definitely the average height for fast bowlers. But talent and skill can make exceptions it seems. How tall is Musa anyway? I think discounting ANYTHING under 6 feet might be too tough. If he's like 5'5 then of course it's going to be very hard.
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Add Ryan Harris who is 5'11.
 
Boiz Played Well said:
Dale Steyn, Bumrah, Shami, Chaminda Vaas are about 5'10. Malinga is 5'8. Another who is probably not of the same calibre but generated a lot of pace was Kemar Roach at 5'7.

6 feet is definitely the average height for fast bowlers. But talent and skill can make exceptions it seems. How tall is Musa anyway? I think discounting ANYTHING under 6 feet might be too tough. If he's like 5'5 then of course it's going to be very hard.
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Boiz Played Well said:
Lance Klusener and Makhaya Ntini @ 5'9.
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Malinga only ever took 101 Test wickets.

Everybody else on your list who took 100+ Test wickets was at least 5’10. And Ntini was only selected for his colour - his entire career he was chosen ahead of better taller bowlers because he filled a quota.
 
Junaids said:
Everyone on that list was a minimum of 6'0 (Waqar, Aaqib and Shoaib) when selected.

Like Shaheen Shah Afridi, I don't have a problem with extreme youth if the player is at least 6'0 tall. But nobody shorter than that has a snowball's chance in Hell of success, and it is stupid to pick them as fast bowlers.

You can't be an EPL goalie or an NBA player either if you're short.
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shoaib is definitely not 6 foot. He is 5'10. I have met him in the airport. I am 181 cm.
Lot of players lie about their height.

No matter what 178- 180 is not 6 foot. there is a difference.

shadab khan lol at him being 5'10.
Even amir is listed as 6'1. He is 5'11.
 
Am gobsmacked at some of the -ve comments by PP'ers. A not even 20 year old is thrust against in form Warner and Finch on their home turf...that is a very small sample size. and re-height i think a lot of guys like ntini, klusener, roach, fiedel Edwards, agarkar, taskin, danny morrison to name a few...heck even your mohd sami were'nt giants, i still think you guys have the makings of an awesome quartet in SSA, moose, Hasnain and the 16year old guy..
 
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