[VIDEOS/ PICTURES] Virat Kohli has secured his position as an ATG

[Aman]

Virat Kohli has 23 hundreds against Sri Lanka,Bangladesh,West Indies,Zimbabwe

Jesus, that's horrific )

 

[Aman]

You mean the Sri Lanka that made the finals in 07, 11 and 13CT? That’s not too bad then.

23 100s against those opposition is not a good look. All of them have below average to garbage bowling attacks and are known as teams where batsmen set records against.

 

[Aman]

World cups don’t prove anything smh they only prove something in fifa as players play leagues not internationals all throughout the year he is already the greatest of all time in Odis no one comes close.

He's the GOAT ODI player but has never dominated a single WC? LOL. No, absolute nonsense.

He's an iconic JAMODI run scorer who has yet to do it on the biggest stage. Last chance or it's over and he's behind Sachin, Ponting and Viv.

 

[Aman]

Pecho Frío has 2 100s in 28 innings in ICC tournaments.

Not a single 100 in CT, highest score of 96* against Bangladesh in the CT SF.

WC 100s?
100* against Bangladesh
107 against Pakistan

LMAO )

His ICC tournament record is worse than I thought.

This isn't even about Kane, but given some want to bring him into this - He's scored 3 100s in 28 innings

106* against SA
148 against WI

CT
100 against Aus

 

[Devadwal]

Pecho Frío has 2 100s in 28 innings in ICC tournaments.

Not a single 100 in CT, highest score of 96* against Bangladesh in the CT SF.

WC 100s?
100* against Bangladesh
107 against Pakistan

LMAO )

His ICC tournament record is worse than I thought.

This isn't even about Kane, but given some want to bring him into this - He's scored 3 100s in 28 innings

106* against SA
148 against WI

CT
100 against Aus

Virat 36 against Sri Lanka have more impact than all kane hundreds becouse we won that world cup with virat partnership with Gautam .

 

[Aman]

Virat 36 against Sri Lanka have more impact than all kane hundreds becouse we won that world cup with virat partnership with Gautam .

Pecho frío like his idol

If we're going on influential knocks, Kane's 50 against Aus at Eden Park, 60 against India in the SF and 30 odd against Eng in the Final can be added.

Kane isn't even a GOAT contender, no where near it yet Kohli's record is a lot weaker than Kane's but I'm supposed to believe Kohli is the GOAT? )

 

[Hitman]

He's the GOAT ODI player but has never dominated a single WC? LOL. No, absolute nonsense.

He's an iconic JAMODI run scorer who has yet to do it on the biggest stage. Last chance or it's over and he's behind Sachin, Ponting and Viv.

Isn't being just behind those 3 an honor in itself? Although I won't put him behind Ponting.

 

[Devadwal]

Pecho frío like his idol

If we're going on influential knocks, Kane's 50 against Aus at Eden Park, 60 against India in the SF and 30 odd against Eng in the Final can be added.

Kane isn't even a GOAT contender, no where near it yet Kohli's record is a lot weaker than Kane's but I'm supposed to believe Kohli is the GOAT? )

Has Kane won any world cup .if NZ won any then we can talk about it untill than just

 

[Aman]

Isn't being just behind those 3 an honor in itself? Although I won't put him behind Ponting.

Ponting 6 100s in 60 innings.

5 in 42 WC innings.
140* WC Final against India
104 WC QF against India

1 in 18 in CT.
111* CT SF against England

 

[Aman]

Has Kane won any world cup .if NZ won any then we can talk about it untill than just

Kane didn't have Sachin, Yuvi, Gambhir and Dhoni to carry him to one.

 

[Smbhayi]

ODI 48.7 and T20I 81.33

So [MENTION=149166]Technics 1210[/MENTION] thinks that's a bad stat..

 

[Mamoon]

It's ok, I get you didn't factor the ODI rule changes.

No one has down played Kohli's runs, stop being so insecure. Fact is if the ODI rules of today existed yesteryear then the likes of SRT, Sanga, Ponting etc were playing, then they would have eat more ODI runs in the same innings.

As a doctor I thought critical thinking was your strong point. Oh well

Top 10 ODI run getters in history:

1) Tendulkar
2) Sangakkara
3) Ponting
4) Jayasuriya
5) Kohli
6) Jayawardene
7) Inzamam
8) Kallis
9) Ganguly
10) Dravid

There is only ONE player in this list who has played all his ODI cricket 2008 onwards & there is only ONE player in this list to have played ODI cricket 2015 onwards.

Not hard to figure out who that player is (even for you). Literally no batsman over the last 14 years since Kohli made his ODI debut has been able to do what he has done.

If it was so easy to score volume of runs in ODI cricket over the 10+ years, there wouldn’t be only one contemporary batsman in the last of top 10 run getters.

This clearly proves that Kohli is the GOAT ODI batsman. Apart from perhaps Viv in the 80’s, no ODI batsman has been so superior than his peers.

The only security is on your part who cannot digest the fact that Kohli is the GOAT, & the only lack of critical thinking is on your part because you cannot decipher - on your own - that Kohli is the only contemporary player in this list to have made his debut post 2008. The only player in the top 10 run getter to have played the bulk of his matches in 2010s & 2020s.

Kohli is the GOAT. You can do ifs all day long to feel better but it is what it is. Accept it & move on.

 

[Mamoon]

None of this changes the fact Kohli has a low average vs. Pakistan compared to other countries he has played against.

Pakistani bowlers must be doing something right!

Yes, they are doing something right to get pounded by Kohli left, right & center even when he is past his prime & out of touch.

 

[Aman]

Yes, they are doing something right to get pounded by Kohli left, right & center even when he is past his prime & out of touch.

Can you really put Kohli ahead of Sachin, Viv and Ponting when he's literally done nothing in WCs?

Another tournament where he doesn't show up, that too at home and he should be classed a level below them.

In this era many players can average 50+, even Babar and Amla have managed it. Kane averages 48 and I wouldn't call him an ODI great.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 23 of his 46 tons against the weakest bowling attacks in the world.

2 100s in WCs after 28 innings (1 against Bangladesh, the other against Pakistan in a GS match).

Absolutely so far from GOAT level it isn't funny.

 

[Aman]

Kohli is just like his idol.

Bullies the likes of Luxemburg and Andorra, but can't get it done for his country when the lights are at its brightest.

Kohli's record gives the same energy.

 

[Mamoon]

Can you really put Kohli ahead of Sachin, Viv and Ponting when he's literally done nothing in WCs?

Another tournament where he doesn't show up, that too at home and he should be classed a level below them.

In this era many players can average 50+, even Babar and Amla have managed it. Kane averages 48 and I wouldn't call him an ODI great.

Longevity matters too. Kohli has done it for over a decade which is why he is among the top 5 run getters. Amla had a 4-5 year peak, let’s see how long Babar lasts.

I wouldn’t say Kohli has done nothing in World Cups. He has had some really good performances in World Cups but yes an iconic World Cup final performance ala Viv or Ponting is missing.

Kohli’s consistency in this format & his ability to chase big totals on his own sets him apart from everyone else in my opinion. Neither Viv nor Tendulkar nor Ponting could do in a run chase what Kohli has done over & over again. It is mind-boggling stuff.

 

[Aman]

Longevity matters too. Kohli has done it for over a decade which is why he is among the top 5 run getters. Amla had a 4-5 year peak, let’s see how long Babar lasts.

I wouldn’t say Kohli has done nothing in World Cups. He has had some really good performances in World Cups but yes an iconic World Cup final performance ala Viv or Ponting is missing.

Kohli’s consistency in this format & his ability to chase big totals on his own sets him apart from everyone else in my opinion. Neither Viv nor Tendulkar nor Ponting could do in a run chase what Kohli has done over & over again. It is mind-boggling stuff.

Kohli's longevity and sheer numbers is the only reason he's in the conversation. In terms of performance when it matters, he's a massive flop.

Zero WCs where he dominated or was a stand out, not even a CT. It's a massive stain especially in this era where JAMODI series have not meant less.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] 23 of his 46 tons against the weakest bowling attacks in the world.

2 100s in WCs after 28 innings (1 against Bangladesh, the other against Pakistan in a GS match).

Absolutely so far from GOAT level it isn't funny.

Every batsman scores more hundreds against weaker sides. This is how it is. It the same for Tendulkar & Ponting too.

Viv never faced Caribbean bowlers in international cricket & his worst record was unsurprisingly against the second best attack of his time & the best he could face (Pakistan).

Kohli has 9 centuries against Australia alone, who have been consistently one of the strongest bowling attacks of his time.

If you judge Kohli by a different standard than every other great batsman then you can make a case that he is not the GOAT ODI batsman. However, if you apply the logic consistently to every ODI batsman to have ever played, he is comfortably the GOAT.

 

[Aman]

Every batsman scores more hundreds against weaker sides. This is how it is. It the same for Tendulkar & Ponting too.

Viv never faced Caribbean bowlers in international cricket & his worst record was unsurprisingly against the second best attack of his time & the best he could face (Pakistan).

Kohli has 9 centuries against Australia alone, who have been consistently one of the strongest bowling attacks of his time.

If you judge Kohli by a different standard than every other great batsman then you can make a case that he is not the GOAT ODI batsman. However, if you apply the logic consistently to every ODI batsman to have ever played, he is comfortably the GOAT.

Nah, I'm simply saying if you're the GOAT, you got to do something in the WC. Kohli has done nothing in the WC. Literally. Nothing.

Performing in JAMODI series where there is zero pressure and the pitches are 90% of the time roads is nothing.

 

[Aman]

Hell I was okay with calling him the GOAT or even putting him in there a few years ago thinking he'd eventually do something in ICC tournaments. He didn't, he's done nothing of note and has actually been outperformed by his own team mate.

Rohit scored 5 100s in the last WC. 6 100s in 17 WC innings.

 

[Sher Khan]

Let's be honest, Babar currently has a higher ODI average than Kohli. If Babar was to play the same number of games as Kohli he would almost certainly have a higher number of runs and centuries. In terms of stats, one could say Babar is slightly better.

But yes, Kohli's Impact is far more than Babar. Kohli has played some breathtaking knocks across his career and has a great record chasing impossible targets.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] things are different in this era, everyone only cares about championships and what you do in the play offs/finals.

This shift is across all sports.

Cricket has JAMODIs which is the equivalent of international friendlies in football terms and less than regular season for rugby, basketball and NFL.

Nobody cares what you do in the regular season, it's your ability to lift when its all on the line that matters. Otherwise you become a meme and known as a regular season player. The greats lift, the others who crumble get tagged with the tag of being regular season players who can't lead their teams to championships.

 

[Technics 1210]

Top 10 ODI run getters in history:

Irrelevant given you were refering to number of innings.

Not my fault you were not around to witness an ODI era where the rules were tougher on batsmen compared to today's game.

Accept you didn't factor in the rule changes and the effect they had on ODI batting, and move on.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes, they are doing something right to get pounded by Kohli left, right & center even when he is past his prime & out of touch.

Well at least Pakistan bowlers proved beyond doubt Kohli is a failure in ICC finals. And before you cite 2011, Kohli was a nobody, a passenger, he was riding on the coat-tails of what was already a top Indian team.

 

[Technics 1210]

Longevity matters too. Kohli has done it for over a decade which is why he is among the top 5 run getters. Amla had a 4-5 year peak, let’s see how long Babar lasts.

I wouldn’t say Kohli has done nothing in World Cups. He has had some really good performances in World Cups but yes an iconic World Cup final performance ala Viv or Ponting is missing.

Kohli’s consistency in this format & his ability to chase big totals on his own sets him apart from everyone else in my opinion. Neither Viv nor Tendulkar nor Ponting could do in a run chase what Kohli has done over & over again. It is mind-boggling stuff.

Viv - 2 WCs
SRT - 1 WC
Ponting - 3 WCs

Run chases mean nothing if your run chases can't help you win the marbles.

 

[Mamoon]

Irrelevant given you were refering to number of innings.

Not my fault you were not around to witness an ODI era where the rules were tougher on batsmen compared to today's game.

Accept you didn't factor in the rule changes and the effect they had on ODI batting, and move on.

I have watched all the ODI batsman in the top 10 run getters list. Kohli is better than everyone. Put them & Kohli in the same team & Kohli outperforms them all especially in a steep run chase.

 

[Mamoon]

Well at least Pakistan bowlers proved beyond doubt Kohli is a failure in ICC finals. And before you cite 2011, Kohli was a nobody, a passenger, he was riding on the coat-tails of what was already a top Indian team.

Kohli owns Pakistan. It is a fact.

 

[Mamoon]

Viv - 2 WCs
SRT - 1 WC
Ponting - 3 WCs

Run chases mean nothing if your run chases can't help you win the marbles.

Ponting & Viv played for far superior teams & Viv bottled the 83 final.

Keep crying please. I find it entertaining.

Kohli > leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced in any format.

 

[Aman]

Viv - 2 WCs
SRT - 1 WC
Ponting - 3 WCs

Run chases mean nothing if your run chases can't help you win the marbles.

Better yet, how many Indian fans would be confident of the king of chase chasing down 300 in a WC KO? Heck 280.

He'd mentally disintegrate and get out for a single digit score.

Indian fans know I'm right.

 

[Aman]

Kohli's last chance to prove the critics wrong.

He's "in form", doesn't have the captaincy to worry about and the WC is in his backyard.

If he can't do it now, it just proves everything the doubters said about him.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ponting & Viv played for far superior teams & Viv bottled the 83 final.
.

Doesn't change the fact Viv's run chases contributed to 2 WCs wins.

Save the semantics about superior teams etc, you kept harping on about India being the best ODI and Test side in Asia under Kohli's captaincy.

Resistance is futile.

 

[Technics 1210]

I have watched all the ODI batsman in the top 10 run getters list. Kohli is better than everyone. Put them & Kohli in the same team & Kohli outperforms them all especially in a steep run chase.

Good for you, but you were talking about number of ODI innings.

 

[Technics 1210]

Kohli owns Pakistan. It is a fact.

And Pakistan owned Kohli when it mattered most, CT17 final.

The so called GOAT of ODI in 2 consecutive balls.

Tsk tsk.

 

[Hitman]

Ponting & Viv played for far superior teams & Viv bottled the 83 final.

Keep crying please. I find it entertaining.

Kohli > leagues above any batsman Pakistan has ever produced in any format.

Viv bottled in the 1975 WC final as well.

 

[Hitman]

Doesn't change the fact Viv's run chases contributed to 2 WCs wins.

Save the semantics about superior teams etc, you kept harping on about India being the best ODI and Test side in Asia under Kohli's captaincy.

Resistance is futile.

2 World Cups? He scored in single digits in the 1975 WC final.

 

[Technics 1210]

2 World Cups? He scored in single digits in the 1975 WC final.

Tendulkar scored 18 in the 2011 WC final - what's your point?

The world cup isn't just about the final is it? Helping your team get to a ICC final is also important. Hence Viv contributed to 2 WC wins.

 

[Technics 1210]

Viv bottled in the 1975 WC final as well.

Tendulkar bottled the 2011 WC final too by your logic.

 

[shaz619]

Downplaying Viv to put Kohli on a pedestal is moronic to say the least, Viv done it all and was well ahead of his contemporaries and in fact was also ahead of his time, and if there was any doubt, 1979 settled all arguments, he was special.

Kohli himself has had the luxury of playing in a strong Indian side and was mentored by legends of the game, India have also played in many tournies in the last 10 years or so but didn’t get over the line. However, a home WC is the perfect platform for Kohli to cement his name with the best in history and especially in this form. He is class regardless but the Idnians are riding him too hard atm, all it took was one knock to change their opinion from a month ago.

 

[Sir Alex]

Kohli and Tendulkar have played 31 ODis together. Remarkably similar stats

Tendulkar 31 matches 30 innings 1352 runs 46.62 average 91.04 strike rate 5 centuries 4 fifties
Kohli 31 matches 29 innings 1347 runs 51.80 average 89.91 strike rate 5 centuries 6 fifties

Kohli was still evolving. Tendulkar was at the end of his career. It was like relay race. Tendulkar passed the baton to Kohli. Watching Kohli/Gill bat together today gave me the same feeling. Kohli passing the baton to Gill. He is the anointed one.

Very interesting find. Tendulkar missed out on playing in the last decade as an ODI batsman and could have had much better stats had he played in that decade.
Kohli has been otherworldly though. He is easily the best ever ODI batsman.

 

[kingusama92]

23 100s against those opposition is not a good look. All of them have below average to garbage bowling attacks and are known as teams where batsmen set records against.

Sri Lanka was a decent team at the beginning of his career. Even ignoring that, he's had 23 100s against the rest. Only 9 other batsmen have more than 22 total ODI centuries. All of this has been done with way fewer matches.

On top of that, he averages well away in tougher conditions:

76.36 in South Africa (3 centuries)
51.88 in England (1 century)
51.03 in Australia (5 centuries)
49.66 in New Zealand (1 century)

He's scored everywhere against everyone including the best bowling attacks. He's also the GOAT ODI chaser and it's not even close. He averages 65.31 in chases with 26 centuries in 156 innings.

Once again, he has more chasing 100s than most other batsmen have total 100s in their ODI careers.

I think the only legitimate concern is his WC knockout performances. He's had a few good innings and a few disappointments. If he can put up a good showing this time around, he will have completed an excellent ODI career.

 

[Hitman]

Tendulkar scored 18 in the 2011 WC final - what's your point?

The world cup isn't just about the final is it? Helping your team get to a ICC final is also important. Hence Viv contributed to 2 WC wins.

Here are Viv's numbers in the 1975 World Cup -

Matches - 5; Innings - 4; Runs - 38; Ave - 12.66; 100's - 0; 50's - 0; Highest - 15*


Link: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...=534;template=results;type=batting;view=match

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohli had the highest average in CT17 for a batsman and was the best batsman in CT13 semis and finals.

He is one of the best when it comes to Champions trophy.

World cup KOs is the only place where he hasn't left a mark.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohli's last chance to prove the critics wrong.

He's "in form", doesn't have the captaincy to worry about and the WC is in his backyard.

If he can't do it now, it just proves everything the doubters said about him.

Do you even know how much Kohli averages in CT and how he won his team a final and semifinals in 2013?
Has Kane won a CT for his team?
World cup KO is some thing which I definitely agree with you but everything else is rubbish.
Just because you write nonstop drivel, it doesn't make it true.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Kohlis performance in CT Knockouts

CT 13 SF - 58(64) NOT OUT in a winning cause

CT 13 FINALS - 43(34) HIGHEST score in a winning cause

CT 17 SF - 96 not out winning cause
CT 17 finals - 5(9) lost

Avg of 101 in CT knockouts and unlike Kane he atually won a CT.

 

[ex-q-zit]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even by his own standard today’s knock was insane. Virat Kohli is a different breed Surely he’ll go past Tendulkar and reach 50 ODI tons?! <a href="https://t.co/Cd8sQHfCQd">pic.twitter.com/Cd8sQHfCQd</a></p>— Drew McIntyre (@DMcIntyreWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMcIntyreWWE/status/1614746353267265538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[ex-q-zit]

Salman Butt's comments on Kohli:

"He's not less than any Ronaldo of any game. Among all the top fitness freaks sportsmen around the world, he stands right up there. His dedication towards fitness is amazing,".

"I think Virat Kohli is back to his best, maybe back to his normal. He used to score plenty of runs and hundreds consistently. The way he plays ODI cricket is the absolute way of playing in the format. You make a steady start, play ball-by-ball, put away bad balls and score run on good deliveries. Once fully set, he was consistently able to hit it over the boundary easily. There was a low-risk factor. This shows how much control he has over the game when he is on the song,".

 

[shaz619]

Kohlis performance in CT Knockouts

CT 13 SF - 58(64) NOT OUT in a winning cause

CT 13 FINALS - 43(34) HIGHEST score in a winning cause

CT 17 SF - 96 not out winning cause
CT 17 finals - 5(9) lost

Avg of 101 in CT knockouts and unlike Kane he atually won a CT.

I think that KW’s legacy will forever be tied to being the winning captain of the inaugural WTC, it’s arguably the most prestigious prize in cricket.

 

[shaz619]

Actually, KW was also the highest scorer in the WTC final, that seems to be overlooked. The performances in both innings should be regarded as highly as any other knock in WC finals if not more

 

[shaz619]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Even by his own standard today’s knock was insane. Virat Kohli is a different breed Surely he’ll go past Tendulkar and reach 50 ODI tons?! <a href="https://t.co/Cd8sQHfCQd">pic.twitter.com/Cd8sQHfCQd</a></p>— Drew McIntyre (@DMcIntyreWWE) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMcIntyreWWE/status/1614746353267265538?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">January 15, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Does Drew even know that Scotland play cricket

 

[Aman]

Downplaying Viv to put Kohli on a pedestal is moronic to say the least, Viv done it all and was well ahead of his contemporaries and in fact was also ahead of his time, and if there was any doubt, 1979 settled all arguments, he was special.

Kohli himself has had the luxury of playing in a strong Indian side and was mentored by legends of the game, India have also played in many tournies in the last 10 years or so but didn’t get over the line. However, a home WC is the perfect platform for Kohli to cement his name with the best in history and especially in this form. He is class regardless but the Idnians are riding him too hard atm, all it took was one knock to change their opinion from a month ago.

He was clearly below Sachin, Ponting and Viv 2 weeks ago, after two centuries against a minnow level SL team and they're all calling him GOAT

 

[Aman]

Kohlis performance in CT Knockouts

CT 13 SF - 58(64) NOT OUT in a winning cause

CT 13 FINALS - 43(34) HIGHEST score in a winning cause

CT 17 SF - 96 not out winning cause
CT 17 finals - 5(9) lost

Avg of 101 in CT knockouts and unlike Kane he atually won a CT.

Against who?

 

[LegendAli]

Kohli had the highest average in CT17 for a batsman and was the best batsman in CT13 semis and finals.

He is one of the best when it comes to Champions trophy.

World cup KOs is the only place where he hasn't left a mark.

2016 WC vs Australia.

 

[MenInG]

Done by a beauty from Santner in 1st ODI vs NZ

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[jeeteshssaxena]

Against who?

Against a team who has won more world cups and champions trophy than the chokers Nz and Sa put together.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

2016 WC vs Australia.

I am not even counting t20 world cup knocks, thar guy will start crying.

 

[Mamoon]

2016 WC vs Australia.

I am not even counting t20 world cup knocks, thar guy will start crying.

For Kohli’s haters, CT doesn’t count unless it was the final of 2017, T20 WC doesn’t count, 2011 WC final doesn’t count. The only matches that count are the ones where he didn’t perform.

It is hilarious. People can cry all they want, but the fact is that Kohli is a better all-format batsman than anyone Pakistan, England, New Zealand, South Africa & Sri Lanka has ever produced.

Only India, Australia & West Indies can claim to have produced better batsmen.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

If Kohli is not an ATG, no one is.

Thats that.

 

[Aman]

If Kohli is not an ATG, no one is.

Thats that.

No one is questioning whether he's an ATG.

It's about him being the GOAT.

 

[Technics 1210]

Only India, Australia & West Indies can claim to have produced better batsmen.

You changed your tune pretty quick.

You have been undermining Viv Richards, and not only this, you posted the top 10 ODI run getters, which doesn't include Viv, or a West Indian, yet you claimed Kohli is better than the entire top 10 list.

Yes, Tendulkar (India + 1 WC), Viv Richards (West Indies + 2 WC), and Ricky Ponting (Australia + 3 WC) are all contenders for ODI GOAT.

Ponting is the ODI GOAT for me, he is also the only one out of the 3 above who captained his side to a WC win this too without the likes of Bevan, Watson, and the great Shane Warne (2003 WC).

 

[Rajdeep]

No one is questioning whether he's an ATG.

It's about him being the GOAT.

GOAT in cricket will forever be Bradman and guess what he has NEVER played a single ICC knock out game, the criteria you are using to demean Kohli.

No one is saying Kohli is a GOAT but he is a bonafide ATG. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either cricket illetrate or just jealous..lol.

 

[Mamoon]

You changed your tune pretty quick.

You have been undermining Viv Richards, and not only this, you posted the top 10 ODI run getters, which doesn't include Viv, or a West Indian, yet you claimed Kohli is better than the entire top 10 list.

Yes, Tendulkar (India + 1 WC), Viv Richards (West Indies + 2 WC), and Ricky Ponting (Australia + 3 WC) are all contenders for ODI GOAT.

Ponting is the ODI GOAT for me, he is also the only one out of the 3 above who captained his side to a WC win this too without the likes of Bevan, Watson, and the great Shane Warne (2003 WC).

You don’t seem to understand what “can” means. Let me help you. It means that you can “argue” that Viv or Sachin or Ponting were better ODI batsmen.

There is some merit to that argument but. I would personally take Kohli over any batsman in history in ODIs. No one has done in this format at an individual what he has.

Comparing trophy count is futile because there is no parity between relative strength of the sides & it is circumstantial.

Kohli is already a World Cup winner & he would have won another one in his peak if his team was as strong as 70’s WI & early 2000’s Australia.

You are delusional if you think West Indies would not have won the World Cup in 79 if Kohli was playing for them or Australia would not have won the World Cup in 2003 & 2007 if Kohli was playing for them.

Speaking of Tendulkar & World Cup finals, Kohli did more for his team in the 2011 final than what Tendulkar did in both 2011 & 2003 finals & Kohli was a rookie at the time.

Kohli is the GOAT ODI batsman. He does not need a World Cup in his peak years to justify that claim just like Messi did not need a World Cup to be the GOAT.

Anyone who knows anything about cricket/football & has watched Kohli/Messi over the years will tell you that Kohli is the GOAT ODI batsman & Messi is the GOAT footballer.

Can you argue for a couple of other players like Viv, Sachin, Ponting, Maradona, Pele etc.? Probably yes & that is fine.

 

[Technics 1210]

Can you argue for a couple of other players like Viv, Sachin, Ponting, Maradona, Pele etc.? Probably yes & that is fine.

You got schooled, you made a U-Turn, now you are including Messi in your inane ramblings.

You lost your point and argument posts ago.

 

[Mamoon]

You got schooled, you made a U-Turn, now you are including Messi in your inane ramblings.

You lost your point and argument posts ago.

Whatever makes you happy. The day I get schooled by someone like you should be my last day in this world. I cannot envision a greater embarrassment.

 

[Technics 1210]

Whatever makes you happy. The day I get schooled by someone like you should be my last day in this world. I cannot envision a greater embarrassment.

Then you have been reincarnated many times.

Have some rest and come back in May.

 

[Hitman]

Whatever makes you happy. The day I get schooled by someone like you should be my last day in this world. I cannot envision a greater embarrassment.

Apparently, he doesn't have an issue with his hero Ronaldo doing not winning a World Cup. But he has an issue with Kohli regarding not winning one )

 

[Technics 1210]

Apparently, he doesn't have an issue with his hero Ronaldo doing not winning a World Cup. But he has an issue with Kohli regarding not winning one )

Kohli has won a WC.

Please do keep up.

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[Hitman]

Kohli has won a WC.

Please do keep up.

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Not doing anything in World Cups was your issue, right? Messi took your shirt off your back by winning the WC. And you were throwing your toys out of the pram because your hero Ronaldo couldn't win one.

And now your speaking about Kohli not doing anything significant in World Cups )

 

[Technics 1210]

Not doing anything in World Cups was your issue, right?

Wrong.

Read the posts again, it was about number of innings Kohli has played compared with the top 4 ODI run getters - in response to your disciple's point - my posts are in plain English - but then again you didn't think Kohli had won a WC

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[Hitman]

Wrong.

Read the posts again, it was about number of innings Kohli has played compared with the top 4 ODI run getters - in response to your disciple's point - my posts are in plain English - but then again you didn't think Kohli had won a WC

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Weren't you complimenting Viv for helping his team reach the finals of the 1975 WC, untill I exposed your claim, and you haven't replied to it? )

 

[Technics 1210]

Weren't you complimenting Viv for helping his team reach the finals of the 1975 WC, untill I exposed your claim, and you haven't replied to it? )

Wrong again, you claimed Viv did nothing in the final of the WC, and I pointed out Tendulkar scored a measily 18 in the 2011 WC final too which was nothing and asked you what your point was. Dead silence from you, and since then you've been trying to level up, but have failed.

Kohli is not an ODI GOAT, Ponting is. You millenials cannot debate this claim, so run along and count your chases.

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[Hitman]

Wrong again, you claimed Viv did nothing in the final of the WC, and I pointed out Tendulkar scored a measily 18 in the 2011 WC final too which was nothing and asked you what your point was. Dead silence from you, and since then you've been trying to level up, but have failed.

Kohli is not an ODI GOAT, Ponting is. You millenials cannot debate this claim, so run along and count your chases.

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Wrong! You claimed that Viv, like Sachin helped his team reach the finals of the 1975 WC, to which I posted Viv’s stats in the 1975 WC. You kept silent after that.

Here’s the link - https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/52812.html?class=2;filter=advanced;orderby=start;series=534;template=results;type=batting;view=match[/[]

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[Technics 1210]

Here’s the link - https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...=534;template=results;type=batting;view=match[/[]

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Repeating something over and over again doesn't prove your point, only proves your desperation.

Though what is true is you cannot deny Ponting is the ODI GOAT.

Have a good day!

 

[Hitman]

Repeating something over and over again doesn't prove your point, only proves your desperation.

Though what is true is you cannot deny Ponting is the ODI GOAT.

Have a good day!

Making a fool out of yourself one is enough though. Good luck!

 

[Technics 1210]

This thread is about Kohli and ATG status, not GOAT status. No one outside of India includes Kohli in the ODI GOAT debate.

Ponting remains the ODI GOAT. He captained Australia to 2 WC finals and won both finals. He captained Australia to 2 ICC Champions Trophy finals, and won both finals. This is not including his ODI stats and performance in general, and his 1999 WC win! 3 WCs in total!

Bechara Kohli managed to captain India to 1 ICC tournament final, and suffered a humiliating loss against arch rivals, and this before being deceived in 2 consecutive balls (dropped, then out) in the same final for a blistering 5 runs.

On the flip slide, Kohli did captain India to the first ever ICC WTC final, and yup, lost that too (though doesn't count in an ODI debate).

Kohli will never be the ODI GOAT, ever!

 

[Hitman]

This thread is about Kohli and ATG status, not GOAT status. No one outside of India includes Kohli in the ODI GOAT debate.

Ponting remains the ODI GOAT. He captained Australia to 2 WC finals and won both finals. He captained Australia to 2 ICC Champions Trophy finals, and won both finals. This is not including his ODI stats and performance in general, and his 1999 WC win! 3 WCs in total!

Bechara Kohli managed to captain India to 1 ICC tournament final, and suffered a humiliating loss against arch rivals, and this before being deceived in 2 consecutive balls (dropped, then out) in the same final for a blistering 5 runs.

On the flip slide, Kohli did captain India to the first ever ICC WTC final, and yup, lost that too (though doesn't count in an ODI debate).

Kohli will never be the ODI GOAT, ever!

And this is coming from someone who was throwing his toys out of the pram when Messi won the World Cup, but his hero Ronaldo couldn’t )

 

[Technics 1210]

If Ponting was batting in today's ODI batting friendly laws and regulations then Ponting would no doubt have a much higher average and accumulated ODI runs.

However a true fan of cricket knows that cricket isn't just about stats. Ponting thrashes Kohli in the captaincy department too, in fact not thrash, but annihilate Kohli in captaincy terms.

To be fair though, Kohli does excel in 1 ODI facet, number of wickets. Kohli has 4, Ponting has 3.

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[Rajdeep]

If Ponting was batting in today's ODI batting friendly laws and regulations then Ponting would no doubt have a much higher average and accumulated ODI runs.

However a true fan of cricket knows that cricket isn't just about stats. Ponting thrashes Kohli in the captaincy department too, in fact not thrash, but annihilate Kohli in captaincy terms.

To be fair though, Kohli does excel in 1 ODI facet, number of wickets. Kohli has 4, Ponting has 3.

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Okay so in that logic Jasprit Bumrah is the best fast bowler of all time from Asia? Despite playing in today's batting friendly conditions, he avgs lower than Wasim, Waqar, Imran etc.

Not sure why we change the yard sticks then. If batting in modern era is so easy, why other batsmen in this era could not emulate him?

 

[Romali_rotti]

If Ponting was batting in today's ODI batting friendly laws and regulations then Ponting would no doubt have a much higher average and accumulated ODI runs.

However a true fan of cricket knows that cricket isn't just about stats. Ponting thrashes Kohli in the captaincy department too, in fact not thrash, but annihilate Kohli in captaincy terms.

To be fair though, Kohli does excel in 1 ODI facet, number of wickets. Kohli has 4, Ponting has 3.

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Would really be interested in seeing Ponting's stats as Captain with win loss ratio, without Warne & McGrath..

 

[Romali_rotti]

Kohli has been out of form for too long imo.. Most Goats like SRT and Ponting went through similar stages buy came back with a bang but Kohli just can't find his groove, I think he is done...

Has had a great career, time to call it a day. At his peak he was the best Bat and one of the best ever..