[VIDEOS] Quinton de Kock & David Warner in scuffle as tempers flare [David Warner fined Post #82]

[R3verse Swing]

Warner ‘a bully’, says Harris

David Warner shows all the characteristics of a bully, says former Protea and commentator Paul Harris.

‘Warner is the type of guy where if things are going well for Australia, he’s got a big mouth, but when they’re losing, he doesn’t say too much,’ Harris said. ‘When he says something and someone comes back at him, then he gets upset. That’s pretty much all the characteristics of a bully.’

Harris weighed in on an increasingly acrimonious confrontation between Warner and Quinton de Kock in the players’ tunnel as they left the field during the first Test, in which it is alleged that De Kock made derogatory remarks about Warner’s wife.

Footage emerged on Monday of an enraged Warner being restrained by teammates at tea.

‘There’s always a common denominator in these sort of things and it seems to be Warner,’ added Harris, who suggested De Kock was at the receiving end of personal abuse from the Australian. ‘Speaking to a few of the players, they really don’t give a s**t about what he says. They’re just like, ”well, he’s quite personal so we’re going to come back at him and see how he takes it”.

‘I know Quinton de Kock quite well and he won’t take things lying down. If someone’s having a crack at him, he’ll have a go back.’

Former Proteas captain Graeme Smith said: ‘It was quite evident from the stump mics there was quite a lot of personal stuff going on.

‘I wasn’t surprised there was a reaction at some point,’ he told Cricket.com.au.

‘I haven’t got any information – I just know what I heard on the mics yesterday, and some of it was a bit close to the boundaries of what I think should be said.’

http://www.sacricketmag.com/warner-a-bully-says-harris/

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

Warner fined 75 per cent of match fee for breaching ICC code of conduct

Warner admitted the offence and accepted the sanction proposed by Jeff Crowe of the Emirates Elite Panel of ICC Match Referees.
Australia vice-captain David Warner has been fined 75 per cent of his match fee for breaching Level 2 of the ICC Code of Conduct during the fourth day of the first Test against South Africa in Durban.

Warner was found to have breached Article 2.2.2 of the ICC Code of Conduct for Players and Player Support Personnel, which relates to “conduct that brings the game into disrepute,” following an altercation with South Africa player Quinton de Kock on Sunday near the team dressing rooms, which was captured on CCTV.

In addition to this, three demerit points have been added to Warner’s disciplinary record, for whom it was the first offence since the introduction of the revised Code in September 2016.

Level 2 breaches carry a fine of 50 to 100 per cent of the match fee and/or up to two suspension points, equating to three or four demerit points.

Warner admitted the offence and accepted the sanction proposed by Jeff Crowe of the Emirates Elite Panel of ICC Match Referees and, as such, there was no need for a formal hearing.

The charges were levelled by on-field umpires Kumar Dharmasena and Sundaram Ravi, third umpire Chris Gaffaney and fourth umpire Allahudiean Palekar.

South Africa player De Kock was also reported along with Warner for the incident. De Kock has yet to respond to the level 1 charge which also relates to “conduct that brings the game into disrepute.”

https://www.icc-cricket.com/media-releases/637576

 

[wrongun]

That's pretty standard, I'm talking about the personal attacks and family insults being thrown around by the Aussies. The Windies got a lot of racial abuse in Aus, even in 75 when they lost. Not sure I've heard of them dishing it out tho

Aussies never went on record but they say it wasn't rare for a sledge to begin or end with "white this, white that". They knew there were different standards & backgrounds for that vs the other way but doesn't men it didn't happen.

 

[wrongun]

.It was not because they bounced him but because of the nasty sledges during those bouncer barrages.

Never heard it told that way by anyone. You have a memory or record of who told this version?

 

[Dingolfy]

Never heard it told that way by anyone. You have a memory or record of who told this version?

I know that you wouldn't have read that piece like how countless Australians now showing their 'horror' on De Kock's reference to Warner's wife, conveniently forgot Marsh's sledge towards Botham .

But don't worry, Google is here for you. And the following article tells the story :

https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/stick-tough--or-this-team-will-be-remembered-as-the-worst-and-most-gutless-australian-team-of-all-time-20151231-glx7xj.html

Hear it straight from Dean Jones :

We knew we were in trouble at the end of day four, when Border and Steve Waugh sledged Patterson as we walked off the field. Once we were sitting in our dressing rooms, Patterson burst in, angry as hell, and threw his helmet at Waugh. Patterson then yelled: "Mon, you will have problems tomorrow. I am going to kill you!

 

[UN talkz]

Australian Wicket-keeper Tim Paine has suggested South Africa are not being truthful with their version of events in the build-up to the confrontation between David Warner and Quinton de Kock in the first test in Durban.

South Africa team manager Mohammed Moosajee said on Monday that Warner had engaged in a personal verbal attack against De Kock on the pitch that involved members of his family.

"That's completely false. At no stage was Quinton's family mentioned, that's 100 percent false," Paine told reporters of the events preceding a flare-up that occurred as the teams left the field for tea on Sunday's fourth day.

"I don't know how their team manager can hear from where he's sitting but from where I was, which was right near the whole time, there was nothing we said that was inappropriate."

Warner was seen on CCTV footage needing to be restrained by teammates on a stairwell as he launched a verbal volley in the direction of De Kock, who according to local media reports had responded to sledging with a comment about the opener's wife.

The Australian vice-captain has been charged with a Level 2 offence by the ICC, which could see him miss the second test in Port Elizabeth that starts on Friday. Australia lead the four-test series after recording a 118-run win in Durban.

De Kock faces a Level 1 charge, which carries the maximum sanction of a fine.

Australia have long had a reputation for attempting to unsettle opposition players with words as well as actions, but Paine says there was a line the team would not cross.

"Our stuff is the way we've always played our cricket," he said. "Certainly it's hard, and we like to make them feel uncomfortable out there.

"But we don't cross the line and bring people's wives and family into the cricket game. And we'll continue to do that for as long as we play."

Warner is no stranger to controversy and was nicknamed 'Bull' early in his career, a moniker that fittingly captured his rampaging batting and tendency to rack up violations for ill-tempered episodes during play.

He was suspended in 2013 for punching England batsman Joe Root in a bar.

https://www.supersport.com/cricket/...80307/Paine_refutes_SA_version_of_player_spat

 

[Kroll]

Whose line is it, asks Proteas coach Gibson on Warner furore

PORT ELIZABETH – “Whose line is it anyway?”

That may be the title of a popular American sitcom, but more pertinently, it is the question Proteas coach Ottis Gibson is posing to the International Cricket Council after the fracas that engulfed the first Test in Durban.

Although the ICC have already hit Australian vice-captain David Warner with a Level 2 charge equating to three demerit points and 75% of his match fee for his part in the stairwell confrontation with Proteas wicket-keeper Quinton de Kock, Gibson believes the match officials have a bigger role to play in order for these types of incidents to be avoided.

It is for this reason that the Proteas management are contesting the Level 1 charge issued to De Kock at a hearing that will be convened by ICC match referee Jeff Crowe in Port Elizabeth on Wednesday evening.
The Australians, though, have accepted Warner’s censure due to him being free to play in the second Test starting here at St George’s Park on Friday.

Four demerit points would have led to an automatic suspension of one Test or two ODIs or T20Is.

“We appealing the Level 1 because we believe Quinny didn’t do anything. Quinny wasn’t aggressive – you saw some footage, and the footage showed Quinny walking up the stairs and somebody else (Warner) being restrained, and then Quinny gets a Level 1… That didn’t seem fair,” Gibson explained.

“Quinny wouldn’t have said anything if something wasn’t said to him first in the first place. I wasn’t out there, Faf was there, he would probably know what was said.

“You have all seen the footage. If I’m walking up the stairs and someone else is being restrained, how can you fine me for something?”

Gibson would not comment on whether De Kock was entirely silent, or indeed said anything about Warner’s wife as the Australians are suggesting, but instead chose to challenge his counterpart Darren Lehmann’s comments about the mythical moral line that exists on the field.

“I can’t categorically speak for another person, so I don’t know what was said. There’s this thing I have seen recently about ‘the line’. They say they never crossed the line, but where is the line? Who sets the line? Where does it come from?

“But when you say ‘We haven’t crossed the line’, you said stuff but you never crossed the line, you went very close, but you never crossed it – whose line is it?

“Our line... we don’t have a line, we are just trying to play cricket.

“The match officials and the ICC, they govern the game, and the umpires on the field must take charge of the game.

“If things are being said and it’s in within earshot of the player who is standing at point or wherever he is fielding, surely the umpires can hear.

“So, maybe umpires must stand up and take control of the game.”

Although Lehmann’s proposed captains and coaches meeting to discuss the way forward for both teams has yet to take place, Gibson also wanted to move on from the Durban drama and for his team to focus on the challenge ahead, especially as they look to level the series here at the country’s oldest stadium, St George’s Park.

“I think everyone needs to focus on the cricket. Calm down and get back to cricket. I am telling them (my team) to play cricket,” he said.

“I am happy with aggression when it is fast bowlers bowling bouncers. That to me is aggression.

“But when it’s sledging, chirping... I don’t think that’s aggression. If a fast bowler is trying to intimidate a batsman through bouncers, that’s aggression. That’s how I learnt the game growing up in the Caribbean.

“Obviously things change, but when everybody is around you taking guard, and people are standing around and shouting and whatever, I am not sure that is necessary in my book.”

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket...roteas-coach-gibson-on-warner-furore-13644343

 

[JattMaula]

Million dollar questions by Gibson!

 

[IndianFan2018]

PORT ELIZABETH – “Whose line is it anyway?”

That may be the title of a popular American sitcom, but more pertinently, it is the question Proteas coach Ottis Gibson is posing to the International Cricket Council after the fracas that engulfed the first Test in Durban.

Although the ICC have already hit Australian vice-captain David Warner with a Level 2 charge equating to three demerit points and 75% of his match fee for his part in the stairwell confrontation with Proteas wicket-keeper Quinton de Kock, Gibson believes the match officials have a bigger role to play in order for these types of incidents to be avoided.

It is for this reason that the Proteas management are contesting the Level 1 charge issued to De Kock at a hearing that will be convened by ICC match referee Jeff Crowe in Port Elizabeth on Wednesday evening.
The Australians, though, have accepted Warner’s censure due to him being free to play in the second Test starting here at St George’s Park on Friday.

Four demerit points would have led to an automatic suspension of one Test or two ODIs or T20Is.

“We appealing the Level 1 because we believe Quinny didn’t do anything. Quinny wasn’t aggressive – you saw some footage, and the footage showed Quinny walking up the stairs and somebody else (Warner) being restrained, and then Quinny gets a Level 1… That didn’t seem fair,” Gibson explained.

“Quinny wouldn’t have said anything if something wasn’t said to him first in the first place. I wasn’t out there, Faf was there, he would probably know what was said.

“You have all seen the footage. If I’m walking up the stairs and someone else is being restrained, how can you fine me for something?”

Gibson would not comment on whether De Kock was entirely silent, or indeed said anything about Warner’s wife as the Australians are suggesting, but instead chose to challenge his counterpart Darren Lehmann’s comments about the mythical moral line that exists on the field.

“I can’t categorically speak for another person, so I don’t know what was said. There’s this thing I have seen recently about ‘the line’. They say they never crossed the line, but where is the line? Who sets the line? Where does it come from?

“But when you say ‘We haven’t crossed the line’, you said stuff but you never crossed the line, you went very close, but you never crossed it – whose line is it?

“Our line... we don’t have a line, we are just trying to play cricket.

“The match officials and the ICC, they govern the game, and the umpires on the field must take charge of the game.

“If things are being said and it’s in within earshot of the player who is standing at point or wherever he is fielding, surely the umpires can hear.

“So, maybe umpires must stand up and take control of the game.”

Although Lehmann’s proposed captains and coaches meeting to discuss the way forward for both teams has yet to take place, Gibson also wanted to move on from the Durban drama and for his team to focus on the challenge ahead, especially as they look to level the series here at the country’s oldest stadium, St George’s Park.

“I think everyone needs to focus on the cricket. Calm down and get back to cricket. I am telling them (my team) to play cricket,” he said.

“I am happy with aggression when it is fast bowlers bowling bouncers. That to me is aggression.

“But when it’s sledging, chirping... I don’t think that’s aggression. If a fast bowler is trying to intimidate a batsman through bouncers, that’s aggression. That’s how I learnt the game growing up in the Caribbean.

“Obviously things change, but when everybody is around you taking guard, and people are standing around and shouting and whatever, I am not sure that is necessary in my book.”

https://www.iol.co.za/sport/cricket...roteas-coach-gibson-on-warner-furore-13644343

Good comments from coach

 

[Dulex9]

In this article: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...-provoked-by-wife-sledge-20180307-p4z3bk.html

It states De Kock made derogatory comments towards Warner's wife, which is very appalling and unacceptable if found to be true.

You should never bring personal stuff like a player's wife into this.

 

[Dingolfy]

In this article: https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricke...-provoked-by-wife-sledge-20180307-p4z3bk.html

It states De Kock made derogatory comments towards Warner's wife, which is very appalling and unacceptable if found to be true.

You should never bring personal stuff like a player's wife into this.

Australians have mentioning the female relatives of other players for years.Google what Marsh said to Botham.And once you START saying words to a player, you cant really expect the response in the way that YOU like.When you initiate it, please be ready to take whatever comes back at you.Else dont say anything at all.

 

[Abdullah719]

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New video.

 

[Abdullah719]

Warner breaks silence on 'vile, disgusting' sledge

Australia vice-captain David Warner has broken his silence on the "vile and disgusting" personal sledge about his wife from Proteas gloveman Quinton de Kock and the stairwell scuffle that almost resulted in a Test suspension.

Warner was charged by the International Cricket Council, fined 75 per cent of his match fee and given three demerit points for his emotional outburst at de Kock outside the Kingsmead dressing rooms that required his teammates to physically restrain him.

He escaped suspension from the second Test, but only just, and says he regrets the way the stairwell incident played out.

But Warner made it crystal clear that he will always defend his family.

"I cop it left, right and centre, especially off the field from spectators and I'm used to that and it doesn't bother me," Warner said.

"But in a proximity of my personal space and from behind me, a comment that was vile and disgusting about my wife, and in general about a lady, was quite poor I felt.

"My emotional response was just something that I don't believe should have been said and I'll always stick up for my family and in that case my teammates as well."

In additional CCTV footage that has surfaced from outside the stairwell, Warner can be seen snapping as de Kock's alleged inflammatory verbal barb drew an immediate response from the Australia opener, who was guided away by Tim Paine.

Paine and Usman Khawaja then helped restrain Warner in the stairwell before Australia captain Steve Smith emerged from the visitor's dressing room to help suppress his deputy as the Proteas, featuring a shirtless du Plessis, filed out to see what the commotion was all about.

Asked whether he might have got physical with the South African wicketkeeper had his teammates not been there, Warner said that was not his intention.

"I would have liked him to actually say the comment a little bit louder instead of just muttering it under his breath next to me and Tim Paine and then walking up the stairs and saying 'I didn't say anything' as soon as the rest of his team came out," Warner said.

"At the end of the day, we're all men and if you're going to say something you look at someone in the eye and say it."

Following Australia's 118-run win in Durban, South Africa team manager Dr Mohammed Moosajee said Warner "definitely" got personal when sledging de Kock in the lead up to the first Test.

There has been a suggestion de Kock's sister was mentioned out in the middle, a proposition Warner flat out rejected.

"No, I did not say that," he said.

Having accepted the Level 2 charge and the addition of three demerit points to his disciplinary record, Warner is now just one minor indiscretion away from being suspended from a Test or two limited-overs internationals, whichever comes first.

But Warner says he will not curb his confrontational enthusiasm out on the field and pointed to his exemplary record over the past two years as evidence that he knows where to draw the line in the middle.

"You guys have seen the past 18-24 months how I conduct myself on the field," Warner said.

"What happened the other day was not appropriate and I responded a tad emotionally.

"But I think I've been fantastic the last 18-24 months.

"I play with aggression on the field and I try not to cross that line and it has been in the past that I have sort of been fiery.

"But I don't think whatsoever there on the field that I have ever crossed that line.

"That's how I play my cricket; I live by the sword and die by the sword.

"I'll keep playing with that energy and making sure I am the voice in the team to keep our guys motivated on the field, that's for sure."

Now there is just one sleep before day one of what's set to be a fiery second Test at St George's Park.

While Warner says he will not back down, it's unclear as to how the Proteas will behave towards the visiting vice-captain.

But Warner said he would find it "quite poor" if similar comments to the one de Kock allegedly made were ushered in Port Elizabeth.

"I can't see anyone else making comments the way he made them, which were outright disgusting," Warner said. "As I said, it's a thing you wouldn't say about any lady, especially someone's wife or a player's wife."

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/dav...dge-stairwell-incident-durban-cctv/2018-03-08

 

[volcyz]

Sure Warner, sure mate.

You really think you are the reverend lmao

 

[IndianFan2018]

David Warner: But I don't think whatsoever there on the field that I have ever crossed that line.


Like Coach Gibson said which line, who draws it... Convenient excuse to get away Warner.

Be a man for godsake, not every team will politely take your so called sledging (mental disintegration) few will give back with interest ...

First acts like a bully then crying foul in media ...who got more punishment in this incident - Warner or de Cock ?

 

[Third_Umpire]

To hell with Warner. Seen this episode way too many times before.

Didn't like what De Kock said? then shut up in the first place and don't engage him. No one should bring up family members, but then again no one should sledge in the first place. Once you start sledging, it's no holds barred. Can you imagine what kind of gali galoch goes on in India/Pak matches when things heat up? Don't see anyone there being a whiny little b about it.

 

[SamNJ]

Aussies seem to have discovered a new concept of "acceptable abuse".

 

[BreadPakoda]

Amazing how Ozzies have defined an imaginary line. Clear case of bullying. Want to dish it out but can't take it themselves.

 

[Ab Fan]

Warner's behaviour is clearly unsophisticated as well as uneducated and it is sad when his fans praise this and call his game as an aggressive brand of cricket.

Same is the case with England Ben Stokes.

 

[Dingolfy]

To hell with Warner. Seen this episode way too many times before.

Didn't like what De Kock said? then shut up in the first place and don't engage him. No one should bring up family members, but then again no one should sledge in the first place. Once you start sledging, it's no holds barred. Can you imagine what kind of gali galoch goes on in India/Pak matches when things heat up? Don't see anyone there being a whiny little b about it.

This.Inspite of all that, players are friends off the field whereas the supposed 'masters of sledging' are drama queens when the heat is on them. I hope the SA public reminds him about SBW every time he gets out in the field. Sometimes, you need to go the hard way to teach brats like these a lesson.

 

[jagatk]

Here we go again with the usual aussie hard but fair nonsense, aussies don't play hard and fair they play whinny and bitchy. They like to dish it out but the moment the other side gives it back the go crying like little sissies to the media and umpires.

 

[jagatk]

To hell with Warner. Seen this episode way too many times before.

Didn't like what De Kock said? then shut up in the first place and don't engage him. No one should bring up family members, but then again no one should sledge in the first place. Once you start sledging, it's no holds barred. Can you imagine what kind of gali galoch goes on in India/Pak matches when things heat up? Don't see anyone there being a whiny little b about it.

Its usual aussie nonsense mate, much like sarwan mcgrath incident you don't want your family members insulted then simply don't insult the other guy, if you do the consequences are on you.

 

[IndianFan2018]

This.Inspite of all that, players are friends off the field whereas the supposed 'masters of sledging' are drama queens when the heat is on them. I hope the SA public reminds him about SBW every time he gets out in the field. Sometimes, you need to go the hard way to teach brats like these a lesson.

King Kohli gave back to Ozzie's nicely and the trend started 2

Now every other team will do this to these sissies ...

When the tables turned ... Bullies behaving like Saints

 

[Bilal7]

Warner has really destroyed all the good will he built up over the last couple of years. Back to his old, idiotic self.

You don't decide what is off-limits. What you can do is simply keep your mouth shut. Then no one will bring your wife into it.

He's lucky Rabada is muzzled right now.

 

[Dulex9]

Aussies can dish out but cannot cope it?

Clear case of bullying where they decide the boundaries.

Exactly like the McGrath-Sarwan, Marsh-Botham incident, if you don't like what they dish back, then don't dish it out in the first place.

 

[MenInG]

CA supports the sanctions imposed on players from both teams by the ICC, and commends match referee Jeff Crowe for his handling of a difficult situation.

CA has reminded the team of the standards of behaviour expected of players representing Australia.

Those standards are spelled out in the ICC Code of Conduct and also the Preamble to the Laws of Cricket. As the Preamble states, cricket is a game that owes much of its unique appeal to the fact that it should be played not only within its Laws, but also within the Spirit of the Game.

This includes the need to be respectful of opponents, and CA expects this to be observed by players at all times. Unfortunately neither team met this standard in Durban. The Australian team understands that fans expect better.

Australia has always prided itself on taking a highly competitive approach to international cricket. This will not change, however CA is confident that what occurred in Durban will remain an aberration.

Under the period of the current team leadership, Australian players have received fewer sanctions under the ICC Code of Conduct than players from the majority of the nine top-ranked Test playing nations.

CA is confident that the rest of the series in South Africa will be remembered for enthralling cricket played in the right spirit by both teams.

 

[MenInG]

There may be a cease fire on the field, but South African cricket fans aren't planning to take it easy on Australian batsman David Warner.

The second test between the two nations begins on Friday night at St George's Park in Port Elizabeth, and fans planning to attend the match are preparing by making Sonny Bill Williams masks to taunt Warner.

Williams and Warner's now wife, Candice Warner, were involved in a toilet tryst in 2007. Another patron took a photo of the pair under the toilet cubicle door, and the images went worldwide.

It is understood that Quinton de Kock's retort to Warner's sledging was to mention Williams and his brief relationship with Warner's wife.

Warner was fined 75 per cent of his match fee for the incident, in which he had to be held back by team-mates as the teams returned to the changing sheds in Durban.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/crick...nny-bill-williams-masks-to-taunt-david-warner

 

[Jabo]

Warner ‘a bully’, says Harris



http://www.sacricketmag.com/warner-a-bully-says-harris/

that's pretty much how Australian & England both are.

which is why you should sledge them even more

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Warner's behaviour is clearly unsophisticated as well as uneducated and it is sad when his fans praise this and call his game as an aggressive brand of cricket.

Same is the case with England Ben Stokes.

Nothing unsophisticated about standing up for your lady.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Clearly, Warner has made his life more difficult by exposing his weakness to the world. I'm expecting SA spectators to go hard at him and not care about any line of control. Hope this doesn't mentally disintegrate him.

 

[IndianFan2018]

Nothing unsophisticated about standing up for your lady.

should have been careful before bullying de Kock!

Now whole world knows about his wife's past, I follow cricket from long time never heard about this side of the story (obviously not related cricket, but to cricketers personal life).

Case of 'Washing dirty linen in public'

#StopNonsesnseAboutImagineryLineOZzies

 

[IndianFan2018]

Clearly, Warner has made his life more difficult by exposing his weakness to the world. I'm expecting SA spectators to go hard at him and not care about any line of control. Hope this doesn't mentally disintegrate him.

Once a bully always a bully ask poor

 

[Madplayer]

King Kohli gave back to Ozzie's nicely and the trend started 2

Now every other team will do this to these sissies ...

When the tables turned ... Bullies behaving like Saints

You forgot the Karachi Street fighter Miandad.

 

[Last Monetarist]

You forgot the Karachi Street fighter Miandad.

And arguably the cricketer that got under Australian noses the most in the last 30 years: Arjuna Ranatunga.

 

[IndianFan2018]

You forgot the Karachi Street fighter Miandad.

Yea Miandad, Ranatunga, Botham did the same in those days.

Kohli is the torch bearer recently for that trend... Bully the bullies

For Kohli beating AUS in any form of Cricket is as important as beating Pak if not more 2

 

[Major]

warner deserved it.

good stuff from de Kock

 

[Major]

after this event, i hope more players target him like de kock did.


Thing is simple. Warner has acted like an idiot for years.