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then what's the point of that question?

Okay sure miss the point on purpose.

The question again is if we weren't created and if we evolved from primates then how come other species haven't evolved to the same intelligence that we as humans have. Where is our competition from the 8.7 million species on earth. Many have been around for much longer than primates such as reptiles
 
Okay sure miss the point on purpose.

The question again is if we weren't created and if we evolved from primates then how come other species haven't evolved to the same intelligence that we as humans have. Where is our competition from the 8.7 million species on earth. Many have been around for much longer than primates such as reptiles
Why every species would want to be human?

Being human is not a standard nor a goal.

Human is just another species.
 
Why every species would want to be human?

Being human is not a standard nor a goal.

Human is just another species.
he is clearly talking about intelligence level , why other species doesn’t evolve in to intelligent beings like humans when they existed long before humans came to exist in this world.

Because God chose us humans to being in charge of this world, simply put.
 
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If evolution and randomization is your answer then reptiles should be able to land on mars by now with their superior technology than humans right?

Since reptiles are older species with more time to evolve than humans had? Perfectly logical right?
 
And reptiles doesn’t even have to develop in to lizard man as well as reaching human like body proportions is not the end goal here as humans are just another species , but they surely be enough evolved right now and must have the technology to land on mars.
 
You will one day die right so there will be left no better things so why not give it a shot now or atleast read the translation for 5 mins and see if you want to continue or not?
When we die, we die. our bodies rots or burns. thats it. There is nothing beyond that.

we have on life here and live it well.
 
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And reptiles doesn’t even have to develop in to lizard man as well as reaching human like body proportions is not the end goal here as humans are just another species , but they surely be enough evolved right now and must have the technology to land on mars.
As I said, Human isn't pinnacle of evolution. It's not important for every species to replicate what human does because we, the humans are NOT a standard nor a reference frame.

For theists, may be.

But for me, nope.
 
Why every species would want to be human?
So, according to the theory, apes wanted to turn into humans so they evolved themselves (on their OWN) and turned into humans.

It is not about want or need. Apes wanted so they turned but other species do not want so they stayed the same. Not sure how logical this theory is.
 
As I said, Human isn't pinnacle of evolution. It's not important for every species to replicate what human does because we, the humans are NOT a standard nor a reference frame.

For theists, may be.

But for me, nope.

So which species in your mind is the pinnacle of evolution?
 
As I said, Human isn't pinnacle of evolution. It's not important for every species to replicate what human does because we, the humans are NOT a standard nor a reference frame.

For theists, may be.

But for me, nope.
This is as lame for an answer , if you want to keep the topic on logical order then atleast reply with some common sense and logic , so if human is not the Standard then tell us about species which has evolved more than human and what’s their specialty or ability ? If you don’t have the answer then man up and agree that your theory is just bogus.
 
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This is as lame for an answer , if you want to keep the topic on logical order then atleast reply with some common sense and logic , so if human is not the Standard then tell us about species which has evolved more than human and what’s their specialty or ability ? If you don’t have the answer then man up and agree that your theory is just bogus.

Bro they haven't found any comments on YouTube yet to counter such an argument. Logic is not their Forte
 
The problem with Human beings is they think they are special. They are not!! Its just ego speaking. Earth will thrive if human beings go extinct. We just have an evolved nervous system because we are so weak in the past the only way we could have survived is to outsmart our predators. Natural selection made us intelligent. There were Neanderthals who were also smart as Homo-Sapiens but went extinct some 40,000 years back.
 
So, according to the theory, apes wanted to turn into humans so they evolved themselves (on their OWN) and turned into humans.

It is not about want or need. Apes wanted so they turned but other species do not want so they stayed the same. Not sure how logical this theory is.
According to which theory?
 
This is as lame for an answer , if you want to keep the topic on logical order then atleast reply with some common sense and logic , so if human is not the Standard then tell us about species which has evolved more than human and what’s their specialty or ability ? If you don’t have the answer then man up and agree that your theory is just bogus.
When we compare, we need a reference frame.

For example, in my eyes, birds can be superior to human since birds have developed wings naturally but man had to rely on technology. But then again, if we change the criteria, the whole scenario goes upside down.

Once you understand that everything is relative, all your logic becomes meaningless. Because no body is superior or inferior.
 
Depends on what criteria you take. Because as I've said multiple times, everything is relative.

The criteria is from the beginning of time. In this period who has evolved the most till date? Relative to all species, we don't have to pick any two.

Quit being lame and trying to beat around the bush. Just admit that the evolution theory doesn't add up
 
The criteria is from the beginning of time. In this period who has evolved the most till date? Relative to all species, we don't have to pick any two.

Quit being lame and trying to beat around the bush. Just admit that the evolution theory doesn't add up
You haven't mentioned any criteria to be honest.

Secondly, you didn't write any explanation how evolutionary theory doesn't hold up. You just linked different aspects and the stated it is God's plan. That doesn't make any sense.
 
You haven't mentioned any criteria to be honest.

Secondly, you didn't write any explanation how evolutionary theory doesn't hold up. You just linked different aspects and the stated it is God's plan. That doesn't make any sense.

I've been at it since yesterday yet none of the athiests have been able to answer why there are no other sentient beings like humans.

Again there's 8.7 million species on earth that we know about and many more yet to be discovered.
 
I've been at it since yesterday yet none of the athiests have been able to answer why there are no other sentient beings like humans.

Again there's 8.7 million species on earth that we know about and many more yet to be discovered.
What do you mean by sentient?

It's a very vague term.

Can you explain?
 
When we compare, we need a reference frame.

For example, in my eyes, birds can be superior to human since birds have developed wings naturally but man had to rely on technology. But then again, if we change the criteria, the whole scenario goes upside down.

Once you understand that everything is relative, all your logic becomes meaningless. Because no body is superior or inferior.
Bro you are reaching to the point of nonsense , I am out of this conversation, it’s like you are saying theism is wrong and aethism is right and upon asking why you are saying that and your answer is like because I said so.

Seriously if bird has wings and humans not hence they are more superior to humans in evolutionary process? Is that you come with to prove that there is no god?
 
Bro you are reaching to the point of nonsense , I am out of this conversation, it’s like you are saying theism is wrong and aethism is right and upon asking why you are saying that and your answer is like because I said so.

Seriously if bird has wings and humans not hence they are more superior to humans in evolutionary process? Is that you come with to prove that there is no god?
It's non sense because you couldn't understand anything I wrote.

I didn't even say theism is wrong and atheism is right.

I just showed how different perspective yields different results which is why you can not compare between species in terms superior or inferior.

Open up your mind first which is being striaghtjacketed by your ideology and restricted by preconceived notions and then you can grasp.
 
It's non sense because you couldn't understand anything I wrote.

I didn't even say theism is wrong and atheism is right.

I just showed how different perspective yields different results which is why you can not compare between species in terms superior or inferior.

Open up your mind first which is being striaghtjacketed by your ideology and restricted by preconceived notions and then you can grasp.
Bro I know that and you also know that you don’t have any concrete evidence to support evolution theory or aethism so you should also open your mind with regards to possibility of theism being correct as well
 
Bro I know that and you also know that you don’t have any concrete evidence to support evolution theory or aethism so you should also open your mind with regards to possibility of theism being correct as well
I am open to it.

But the logic that I read here is just pure laziness.

Reason that was given: Since we can't explain something, it's done by God.

For me, it's pure escapade and running away from putting efforts to understand phenomenon of nature.

If you are happy with that logic, that's fine. But that running away from venturing in to unknown attitude isn't for me.
 
I am open to it.

But the logic that I read here is just pure laziness.

Reason that was given: Since we can't explain something, it's done by God.

For me, it's pure escapade and running away from putting efforts to understand phenomenon of nature.

If you are happy with that logic, that's fine. But that running away from venturing in to unknown attitude isn't for me.
Yea because we don’t even have the technology or any means to explain any of this natural phenomena so it just proves that we are very limited in knowledge even which pertain to ourselves such as DNA so there must be some higher being who actually made this nature and everything in it and he also built in mechanics in human to worship something we perceive higher than us hence it resulted in creation of many religions since thousands of years , all those things points in the direction that there is something higher than us who controls this universe and keep a watch on us.
 
Yea because we don’t even have the technology or any means to explain any of this natural phenomena so it just proves that we are very limited in knowledge
Just because we don't have now does not mean we never will in future. This is why I stated that above apporach is combined effects of lazyness, fear of venturing in to unknown where you just accepted something as fate and gave up the drive to enrich yourself with more knowledge.

even which pertain to ourselves such as DNA so there must be some higher being who actually made this nature and everything in it and he also built in mechanics in human to worship something we perceive higher than us hence it resulted in creation of many religions since thousands of years
There is no built in mechanics to worship. it is just an outcome of basic human nature of survival. In pre historic era, man was afraid of lightning so they worship it so that they could live for another day. Once the cause of lightning was discovered, people stopped worshipping it.

You are mistaking the outcome as cause.
 
Just because we don't have now does not mean we never will in future. This is why I stated that above apporach is combined effects of lazyness, fear of venturing in to unknown where you just accepted something as fate and gave up the drive to enrich yourself with more knowledge.


There is no built in mechanics to worship. it is just an outcome of basic human nature of survival. In pre historic era, man was afraid of lightning so they worship it so that they could live for another day. Once the cause of lightning was discovered, people stopped worshipping it.

You are mistaking the outcome as cause.
Now you get to the point it’s the fear of venturing in to unknown that leads us to worship something superior so now tell me what if we never got to have that technology to discover the truth and the God turn out to be true then what will be your fate? Isn’t it better to believe it just for the sake of not knowing what actually is truth instead of rejecting it altogether??? What if he is actually there and get super angry with humans who outright rejected his existence without actually proving anything? It’s better to have our self secure rather than doom ourselves without having any knowledge or evidence?
 
Okay sure miss the point on purpose.

The question again is if we weren't created and if we evolved from primates then how come other species haven't evolved to the same intelligence that we as humans have. Where is our competition from the 8.7 million species on earth. Many have been around for much longer than primates such as reptiles
human babies are born extremely vulnerable, the theory goes this forces greater codependence for survival meant those who evolved greater communication capabilities and distribution of social roles survived, also humans developed an ability to manage stamina allowing them to hunt, stalk and run far longer distances over land than other species, the hunting patterns demanded greater codependence and mental skills rather than physical. so if anything our intelligence is a means to compensate for the fact that we are physically inferior to other species.
 
Now you get to the point it’s the fear of venturing in to unknown that leads us to worship something superior so now tell me what if we never got to have that technology to discover the truth and the God turn out to be true then what will be your fate? Isn’t it better to believe it just for the sake of not knowing what actually is truth instead of rejecting it altogether??? What if he is actually there and get super angry with humans who outright rejected his existence without actually proving anything? It’s better to have our self secure rather than doom ourselves without having any knowledge or evidence?
Why should one believe in God even if we come to know about its existence later? Why God who created everything in known universe including universe itself will have pity human emotions like anger.

This sounds like the typical argument given by brain washed religious people. Fear God, Fear life. This fear will be used by religious leaders to manipulate people.
 
Now you get to the point it’s the fear of venturing in to unknown that leads us to worship something superior so now tell me what if we never got to have that technology to discover the truth and the God turn out to be true then what will be your fate? Isn’t it better to believe it just for the sake of not knowing what actually is truth instead of rejecting it altogether??? What if he is actually there and get super angry with humans who outright rejected his existence without actually proving anything? It’s better to have our self secure rather than doom ourselves without having any knowledge or evidence?
I disagree. Joruney for seeking truth is bigger than fear mongering circumstances and bending down in front of it.

To be honest, your logics seems like those that are told to a toddler just to manipulate them and make them eat, study driven by fear.
 
Now you get to the point it’s the fear of venturing in to unknown that leads us to worship something superior so now tell me what if we never got to have that technology to discover the truth and the God turn out to be true then what will be your fate? Isn’t it better to believe it just for the sake of not knowing what actually is truth instead of rejecting it altogether??? What if he is actually there and get super angry with humans who outright rejected his existence without actually proving anything? It’s better to have our self secure rather than doom ourselves without having any knowledge or evidence?
Is that all you have? Pascal's wager? You do realize that it is described as a logical fallacy?

What is the god turns to be Thor and he is mad becos you worshipped some other god?
 
human babies are born extremely vulnerable, the theory goes this forces greater codependence for survival meant those who evolved greater communication capabilities and distribution of social roles survived, also humans developed an ability to manage stamina allowing them to hunt, stalk and run far longer distances over land than other species, the hunting patterns demanded greater codependence and mental skills rather than physical. so if anything our intelligence is a means to compensate for the fact that we are physically inferior to other species.

Humans were created perfectly. We were given the ability to adapt along with stamina and intelligence, it the design of the Creator. Also there's many physically inferior species compared to humans, yet they don't display the intelligence level we do. It's the combination of many traits that make humans, human.

Survival of the fittest is the basis of the evolution theory, it also has its flaws and doesn't add up.
 
Humans were created perfectly. We were given the ability to adapt along with stamina and intelligence, it the design of the Creator. Also there's many physically inferior species compared to humans, yet they don't display the intelligence level we do. It's the combination of many traits that make humans, human.

Survival of the fittest is the basis of the evolution theory, it also has its flaws and doesn't add up.
It reminds me of the writings of middle ages.

The planet we live, the earth, is the center of universe. Whatever belongs to the universe, it's earth who decides the course of action. The sun, the moon and every piece that belongs to the universe revolves around the earth.... Because earth is perfect.

Both sounds good in fantasy but it is what it is..... Fantasy.

You quoted ElRaja but you completely ignored whatever he wrote while addressing the post.

Your thought process is institutionalized so it's expected but once you come out from that straightjacketed way of perceived notions, you'll see a different picture.
 
Haha I guess you hold a grudge since then. If you got nothing to argue better to stay silent than attack me personally. I won't be so nice next time

humans created perfectly? we are so perfect that wany number of brainless microbes can kill us

We have this useless organ called appendix which can burst and kill us

we use the same organ for waste disposal and reproduction

Perfectly designed?
 
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humans created perfectly? we are so perfect that wany number of brainless microbes can kill us

We have this useless organ called appendix which can burst and kill us

For someone not scared you sure expel a fear of dying...gave 2 examples of what can kill us. I guess it's natural to fear death when you have no faith.

Perfection is not equal to immortality. Everyone and everything dies, that's the ultimate truth.
 
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For someone not scared you sure expel a fear of dying...gave 2 examples of what can kill us. I guess it's natural to fear death when you have no faith.
not sure how you arrived at that. If humans are so perfectly created, brainsless micro organisms should't be that big a problem.
Perfection is not equal to immortality. Everyone and everything dies, that's the ultimate truth.
everyone dies? that is news to me. such great insight
 
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Involving in a personal chat is in nobody's favor. The thread topic is way too broad for people to not discuss it anymore and talk personal stuff.
 
Humans were created perfectly. We were given the ability to adapt along with stamina and intelligence, it the design of the Creator. Also there's many physically inferior species compared to humans, yet they don't display the intelligence level we do. It's the combination of many traits that make humans, human.

Survival of the fittest is the basis of the evolution theory, it also has its flaws and doesn't add up.
im not arguing either way, i think its a useless argument to have in the grand scheme of things, everything is a theory at the end of the day and people can gain benefits from believing whatever they want to.
 
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