[VIDEOS] The Simon "shoot from the hips" Doull TV Commentary thread

[Blistering Barnacle]

There's nothing wrong with a commentator criticizing a player's approach to the game or a player's intent in different situations. Babar has faced this criticism from many cricket fans as well.

 

[Markhor]

Who’s singing his praises. He got many faults and as a player he’s no way near Kohli and never will doesn’t change the fact after all these records and awards he hasn’t won anything for India as far as ICC tournaments go. You asked a similar question to the poster above when he mentioned ICC awards and now you have a different answer for Kohli. It’s a simple question what did Kohli win after all those awards?

I already gave you the answer in the first two sentences of my reply.

I'm glad we agree Babar's not on Kohli's level as a batsman.

 

[zarak]

I already gave you the answer in the first two sentences of my reply.

I'm glad we agree Babar's not on Kohli's level as a batsman.

definitely not in white ball cricket. he could turn into a better red ball player though

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

I already gave you the answer in the first two sentences of my reply.

I'm glad we agree Babar's not on Kohli's level as a batsman.

Bro, I don’t want commentary to be muzzled. I’d rather have objective, critical analysis than cheerleading.

However it’s also equally true that Doull can show a little bit of tact in your wording whilst delivering the same message.

Otherwise you get to a Paul Pogba/Graeme Souness type situation, where it feels like a commentator/analyst is specifically picking on you. It starts becoming unedifying.

 

[topspin]

Bro, I don’t want commentary to be muzzled. I’d rather have objective, critical analysis than cheerleading.

However it’s also equally true that Doull can show a little bit of tact in your wording whilst delivering the same message.

Otherwise you get to a Paul Pogba/Graeme Souness type situation, where it feels like a commentator/analyst is specifically picking on you. It starts becoming unedifying.

I would agree with the use of this analogy if Doull was specifically targeting Babar but the truth is he doesn't spare anyone. He didn't hold back on Virat Kohli as mentioned in post 44.

 

[topspin]

Not a particularly high bar to clear !

The logic from Babar fans continues to amaze - so Simon Doull cannot criticise him because he was an inferior cricketer. Do you understand what a commentator's job is ? They're meant to hold mics not pompoms or placards.

What success has Babar delivered ? Losing an Asia Cup Final having reduced a poor SL to 58-5 ? Being outbatted by tailenders in that tournament ? Losing to Zimbabwe in the T20 World Cup and then a flop in the final having been handed a gigantic reprieve by the Dutch ? Not winning a single home Test last year ?

The problem is Babar fans are stuck in 2020 when yes he was a world-class LO batsman. His T20 SR has since declined sharply from 144 to mid 120s. And here's a reminder of his output at the two biggest T20 events last year:

Asia Cup - Avg 11 at SR of 107.
World Cup - Avg 17 at SR of 93.

Unlike you and others, I'm not into personality cults. The team means everything. I've shed tears in wins and defeats. It pains me to see what Pakistan cricket has become where the accolades of individuals has taken precedence over the team's results, where faults are conveniently glossed over and anyone daring to speak the truth is shouted down.

Simon Doull should not be shouted down for expressing the hard truths. Babar's cult followers are cringe.

 

[MenInG]

Inzamam on Babar, speaking on TV

"Although Babar was slow for a brief period, but I think what he was thinking at the point of time that we might have scored enough - 240 is a big total - but later things panned out that we should have scored a little more runs. I am not sure of Babar's frame of mind while scoring his century, but sometimes it is also difficult to hit boundaries at your will"

 

[Energy]

Simon Doull should not be shouted down for expressing the hard truths. Babar's cult followers are cringe.

Cringe are those who criticise for the sake of it.

Doull is obviously doing it for press.

 

[Ramsay]

He is at the receiving end of lot of hate on his social media handles. Being a commentator sometimes can be a tough job

 

[Saj]

There are several Pakistani commentators who can learn a lot from Doull, rather than just continuing with their bland and sitting on the fence style commentary.

He's easily the best commentator at the PSL.

 

[topspin]

Cringe are those who criticise for the sake of it.

Doull is obviously doing it for press.

He doesn't need publicity from Pakistan cricket. He makes $350k from commentating in the IPL alone.

 

[MenInG]

Simon Doull on TV:

"When I talk about Babar, I talk about his intent. I have said it a year ago, forget about fab four, he is the top one for me. He was the best player in the world. This is the sort of tournament he should be dominating in my opinion. It is just an opinion"

"He should be dominating these bowling attacks. Not with a strike rate of 120 or 130. I loved his batting and intent today. That’s my point. I love watching him play. He should be saying to bowlers, ‘I am the Pakistan captain and you get me at your own peril, I will dominate you’,"

 

[MenInG]

He doesn't need publicity from Pakistan cricket. He makes $350k from commentating in the IPL alone.

He needs money which is why he is in PSL and it does make sense for him to sensationalize to get more coverage for himself.

 

[Zaz]

I have no problem doull or anyone airing certain issues with anyones batting as long as its constructive and not personal

Too many people tho these days are quick to take unethical pot shots at the likes of babar and rizwan For some reason they are seen as soft and easy targets which is totally unfair

Babar is the top all fornat batter in the world at the moment Any criticism needs to be balanced which in most cases its not

 

[moghul]

I dont think that was hasans wife.

Even if she was Hasan's wife , so what , she didn't do anything wrong, Simon didn't say anything wrong. Guys criticizing on this should live abroad for sometime, particularly in USA to open their heart and mind and learn to enjoy life and the moment.

I still don't understand, what's the issue here .

 

[topspin]

He needs money which is why he is in PSL and it does make sense for him to sensationalize to get more coverage for himself.

I disagree. $350k from the IPL alone is way more than what he was making during his professional career. He doesn’t need any more publicity nor does he need any more money but if it’s been given an offer and he enjoys his job then you can’t expect him to turn it down.

We need to stop getting sensitive and cease using this platform as a means to tarnish his reputation. All of his criticism towards Babar and Rizwan has been constructive.

 

[MenInG]

I disagree. $350k from the IPL alone is way more than what he was making during his professional career. He doesn’t need any more publicity nor does he need any more money but if it’s been given an offer and he enjoys his job then you can’t expect him to turn it down.

Ok then why is he in PSL? For charity? He is here for the money and the importance he gets. He overstepped the mark and has now clarified above.

 

[topspin]

I disagree. $350k from the IPL alone is way more than what he was making during his professional career. He doesn’t need any more publicity nor does he need any more money but if it’s been given an offer and he enjoys his job then you can’t expect him to turn it down.

We need to stop getting sensitive and cease using this platform as a means to tarnish his reputation. All of his criticism towards Babar and Rizwan has been constructive.

During his professional career as a cricketer*

 

[topspin]

Ok then why is he in PSL? For charity? He is here for the money and the importance he gets. He overstepped the mark and has now clarified above.

Because PSL has given him acceptable offer to commentate in the tournament. But that’s not what we’re debating here.

We’re debating whether he needs the money (and the publicity). The answer to that is simple. He doesn’t because he makes more than enough from an 8 week commentary stint in India which pays way more than what he was making during his playing days.

 

[brokenrecord]

Simon Doull on TV:

"When I talk about Babar, I talk about his intent. I have said it a year ago, forget about fab four, he is the top one for me. He was the best player in the world. This is the sort of tournament he should be dominating in my opinion. It is just an opinion"

"He should be dominating these bowling attacks. Not with a strike rate of 120 or 130. I loved his batting and intent today. That’s my point. I love watching him play. He should be saying to bowlers, ‘I am the Pakistan captain and you get me at your own peril, I will dominate you’,"

People should see this ^ as well. Many of us would want to say the same to Babar so much of the time. If anyone can get through and maybe change his mindset for the better, I don’t mind them at all. What exactly are all these people protecting Babar from? It’s valid criticism and it will continue coming.

 

[Energy]

Simon Doull on TV:

"When I talk about Babar, I talk about his intent. I have said it a year ago, forget about fab four, he is the top one for me. He was the best player in the world. This is the sort of tournament he should be dominating in my opinion. It is just an opinion"

"He should be dominating these bowling attacks. Not with a strike rate of 120 or 130. I loved his batting and intent today. That’s my point. I love watching him play. He should be saying to bowlers, ‘I am the Pakistan captain and you get me at your own peril, I will dominate you’,"

The first paragraph will get a few hips burning.

 

[MenInG]

"Surround by beards": Doull

Not sure such comments about beards will go down well in Pakistan

 

[VForVendetta]

Simon Doull on TV:

"When I talk about Babar, I talk about his intent. I have said it a year ago, forget about fab four, he is the top one for me. He was the best player in the world. This is the sort of tournament he should be dominating in my opinion. It is just an opinion"

"He should be dominating these bowling attacks. Not with a strike rate of 120 or 130. I loved his batting and intent today. That’s my point. I love watching him play. He should be saying to bowlers, ‘I am the Pakistan captain and you get me at your own peril, I will dominate you’,"

I believe him,because I remember him praising Babar during that 19 wc knock & also Pak's 20 Nz tour. He was one of the first western guys to recognize Babar's talent & long term potential along with Nasser Hussain long before he started winning these awards & getting on top of the rankings.I think he genuinely wants Babar to finish as an ATG & reach to that next level where AB,Kohli,Rohit, Smith, Root etc have reached.That's why he is probably disappointed seeing him so timid & selfish in last one year or so. I don't think the guy has any agenda against RizBar, he genuinely wants these guys to dominate & be more proactive as that's the way to succeed in modern white ball cricket. Guess what, it's working. It's pretty obvious these guys have taken his criticism seriously & have finally started to show more aggression. The guy has literally lit fire on their butt & we are witnessing progress.Instead of getting angry at him I think Pak fans should be grateful to him. I am 100% confident if he had not so bluntly buried these guys on live air, they would continue plodding with their 120-25 anchoring act instead of proper t20 batting in last 2/3 innings.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

"Surround by beards": Doull

Not sure such comments about beards will go down well in Pakistan

Most Pakistanis make similar comments about our ex players beards.

 

[MenInG]

Most Pakistanis make similar comments about our ex players beards.

Never on TV. It's a No No to talk about beards like that but he will get away with it.

 

[Saj]

Ok then why is he in PSL? For charity? He is here for the money and the importance he gets. He overstepped the mark and has now clarified above.

Overstepped what mark?

Which comment are you referring to where he overstepped the mark?

 

[Saj]

I have no problem doull or anyone airing certain issues with anyones batting as long as its constructive and not personal

Too many people tho these days are quick to take unethical pot shots at the likes of babar and rizwan For some reason they are seen as soft and easy targets which is totally unfair

Babar is the top all fornat batter in the world at the moment Any criticism needs to be balanced which in most cases its not

But then on the other hand, some start jumping up and down as soon as any sort of criticism is levelled at any player.

The likes of Doull are paid to give their opinions within reason and that's what he's doing. If he's criticising Babar or Rizwan or anyone else then he justifies it on air providing reasons why he said what he did.

It's not like he is just name-calling or bashing someone just for the sake of it.

 

[TheSultan]

Doull is absolutely right with every single criticism of Babar (and Rizwan for that matter, although poor Riz is a bit of a side show). I don’t know why babar’s fans are so sensitive. You need to have thicker skin. He’s calling babar out because all this talk of best this, best that has been hyped to death. Yes he has great ability, but if he can’t translate that to dominant performances you can’t call him best anything

 

[PakEngFan]

Simon Doull on TV:

"When I talk about Babar, I talk about his intent. I have said it a year ago, forget about fab four, he is the top one for me. He was the best player in the world. This is the sort of tournament he should be dominating in my opinion. It is just an opinion"

"He should be dominating these bowling attacks. Not with a strike rate of 120 or 130. I loved his batting and intent today. That’s my point. I love watching him play. He should be saying to bowlers, ‘I am the Pakistan captain and you get me at your own peril, I will dominate you’,"

So they have run away now as it doesn’t align with their views.

 

[shaz619]

It would appear the two Babar/Simon may have had a chat off the pitch to recently

 

[MenInG]

It would appear the two Babar/Simon may have had a chat off the pitch to recently

Correct - not sure what was said

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[MenInG]

Any thoughts from Simon Doull on Pakistan's performance last night? Don't think criticized too much?

 

[Energy]

Any thoughts from Simon Doull on Pakistan's performance last night? Don't think criticized too much?

Everybody likes to hate on established performers.

 

[MenInG]

Simon Doull on the warpath in IPL also!

Former New Zealand cricketer and commentator Simon Doull hough had some harsh words for Shubman, saying that if a batter is struggling to play the big shots, teams should opt to retire him.

“Shubman was getting tired. He wasn’t able to hit the boundaries as much as he could. And it can happen. Listen… it might be controversial, but I am waiting for the day when a bloke gets 75 or 80 off 45 balls and is cooked after the afternoon heat which is 45 degrees and hence quite can’t get there so he says ‘Okay Tewatia, you are out there.’ Retire him out," Doull said, talking to Cricbuzz.

“I am saying time and time again, milestones don’t matter in this game. I know people will still say hundred is a hundred. Yes it is, but it’s a hundred if you win. If you lose, it means jack. I feel were just quite there when a guy says that he is tired and is not able to hit the boundaries. And if you have ammunition in the bank then why not use it," he added.

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...bman-gill-94-not-out-gt-beat-lsg-7747837.html

 

[BaaliSoda]

What's up with Simon Doull and his fascination for pronouncing anything Indian with an 'R' in it as 'RRRRR'? For example, 'RRRRohit,' 'MaRRRRatha,' 'MahaRRRRashtra,' etc. #LOL

 

[jnaveen1980]

What's up with Simon Doull and his fascination for pronouncing anything Indian with an 'R' in it as 'RRRRR'? For example, 'RRRRohit,' 'MaRRRRatha,' 'MahaRRRRashtra,' etc. #LOL

Yea. noticed that too. Some say some names differently Ramiz Raja calls him "shema" (Sharma).

 

[MenInG]

Simon Doull asked Babar (111*) during post game int in PSL 9 game vs Islamabad:

Have you played a better T20 innings?

Babar replied: To be honest no, this is my best one

 

[Rana]

Simon Doull asked Babar (111*) during post game int in PSL 9 game vs Islamabad:

Have you played a better T20 innings?

Babar replied: To be honest no, this is my best one

Well that’s not true

His best one was the not out in the 152-0

Babar is clueless about himself

 

[shamaan]

Stunning Innings by Babar.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

'I get death threats': Simon Doull reveals ugly side of criticising Virat Kohli, 'What he did this year...'

Simon Doull said that he admires Virat Kohli for turning around and proving pundits like him wrong.

Virat Kohli showed a different side to himself in the 2024 Indian Premier League (IPL), ending the season with a strike rate of 154.70, the highest he has ever maintained in an IPL season. Kohli's strike rate had been the centre of a bit of a storm at the start of the season and the former India captain himself admitted in later interviews that he made a conscious effort to keep his strike rate up throughout innings.

Among those criticising Kohli for his strike rate was former New Zealand fast bowler and commentator Simon Doull. The 54-year-old has reversed his opinion since the early part of the season, even stating that Kohli was the best batter of the season in his books. Doull also revealed the flipside of criticising a player like Kohli, with the kind of following the latter has in India.

“I see a phenomenal player, a player who should be dominating more than what he was. That's what I talk about (when I mention) his strike rate. I felt that he was afraid to get out because he was worried about what is behind him rather than (saying), 'I'm so good'. It is the same thing I said about Babar and I had a chat with him after I talked about it in Pakistan and he said that his coaches told him the same thing. What I loved about (Kohli) this year was the intent to hit sixes,”


Hindustan Times