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[VIDEOS] Umran Malik's selection, premature?

Saj said:
42 runs in 4 overs.

Another expensive outing but not many of the bowlers managed to escape with decent figures.

Tough introduction to international cricket for Umran.
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When his hyped team mates like BK went for 46 and Harshal for 50 plus, i honestly believe he did fine. Bowled the last over and defended.
 
And we had indian fans bashing naseem shah.

I have to apologize to the posters who i argued with regarding speed guns. Apprently umran was faster in indian wickets and slower comparitively on these pitches...
 
Major said:
And we had indian fans bashing naseem shah.

I have to apologize to the posters who i argued with regarding speed guns. Apprently umran was faster in indian wickets and slower comparitively on these pitches...
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Well his quickest ball was 151 Ks in the match just finished, what was his fastest ball in IPL ?
 
Major said:
And we had indian fans bashing naseem shah.

I have to apologize to the posters who i argued with regarding speed guns. Apprently umran was faster in indian wickets and slower comparitively on these pitches...
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He clocked 151ks in whatever number of deliveries they showed today. His 1st over no speeds were shown. Numerous other deliveries missed too.
 
Dont know if Umran's selection was pre mature or not. But Harshal Patel and Bkumar selection is nonsense.
 
In T20s, everyone will have premature selection only. So, nothing wrong with that. The real question is which bowling attack we will see in T20 series vs England.

In ODIs, I am sure it will be Bumrah, Shami and Prasidh. T20s are still open.
 
Ab Fan said:
In T20s, everyone will have premature selection only. So, nothing wrong with that. The real question is which bowling attack we will see in T20 series vs England.

In ODIs, I am sure it will be Bumrah, Shami and Prasidh. T20s are still open.
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Shami is a hit me bowler in ODI's. He has few good performances here and there, but overall he is not that good.
 
Umran Malik defends 12 off last 4 balls in dramatic final over vs Ireland

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Mobashir said:
Shami is a hit me bowler in ODI's. He has few good performances here and there, but overall he is not that good.
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He is wicket taker with new bowl. In ODIs, his numbers are excellent too. In death overs, he may get hit but so does Shaheen. Shami is closest to Shaheen. Great with new bowl but not so good in death overs. Bumrah is great in death overs but not so good with new bowl. Prasidh is also a wicket taker in ODIs with new bowl.
 
Mobashir said:
Shami is a hit me bowler in ODI's. He has few good performances here and there, but overall he is not that good.
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Mohd Shami in ODIs

Avg 25.6 eco 5.6

In world cups -
Avg 15, eco 5.0 wkts 31

If this is how a hit me bowler bowls, then I suppose we need more of them and lol at few performances here and there.

Why are you always wrong?
 
Ab Fan said:
He is wicket taker with new bowl. In ODIs, his numbers are excellent too. In death overs, he may get hit but so does Shaheen. Shami is closest to Shaheen. Great with new bowl but not so good in death overs. Bumrah is great in death overs but not so good with new bowl. Prasidh is also a wicket taker in ODIs with new bowl.
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Shami isn't even remotely close to Shaheen with the new ball. In odis, Shaheen strikes in the powerplay 90% of times compared to Shami's 47%.

No surprise because Shaheen swings it like crazy while Shami doesn't swing it at all.
 
cricketjoshila said:
He clocked 151ks in whatever number of deliveries they showed today. His 1st over no speeds were shown. Numerous other deliveries missed too.
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So he is quicker ion indian wickets and slower on irish wickets? What are you even saying

I defended ipl speed guns, but after seeing umrans speed, i think the posters were right. The ipl speed guns are faulty
 
Decent pace but very raw currently, action does not seem to be fully aligned with him jumping away in his delivery stride.

However, one would expect Indian cricket to develop and manage him well given the resources and recent culture but then we have seen examples of Mavi, Nagarkoti and few others who are not going in the trajectory that was expected of them currently.

In terms of skills alone he is nowhere near the hype at the moment, no much swing with new-semi new ball the little I have seen and not much reverse with the older bowl currently. Much control is also not there however, his attitude looks to be good for a pacer and he has good pace to go with it (Stamina of continuing with good pace is yet to be seen).

A lot to improve and learn, if he is ready to put in the hard yards then we might see him turning into a good pacer. At the moment just a very raw prospect.
 
Lol shami is a brilliant bowler. He is better than anyone we have produced since wasim retired. Let's be honest. In ultra flat of pitch era

Shaheen yes is good but once new ball wears off he becomes a Hassan ali.

As for umran, he is talented but it's a long way to go. He is rauf level at the moment.
 
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Has his action changed? Don't recall the jumping away stride during IPL. Looked much more natural bowling in IPL
 
Way too early to tell, let him get a few games under his belt, nerves out of the way and then can see if he is worth the hype on the biggest stage.
 
A video of the first warm-up game that was played between India and Derbyshire is being widely shared on social media in which Umran Malik can be seen cleaning up batter Brooke Guest with a an extremely fast delivery. Such was the speed from Malik that the middle stump of Guest flew for a long distance after getting hit by the ball.

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Good to see Umran play for India - needs more game time before WT20
 
Marooned said:
He has ipl speedguns to thank. Otherwise his pace is nothing special.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="ht" dir="ltr">Umran Malik's 2nd over speeds:<br><br>90mph, 90mph, 90mph (wide), 87mph, 88mph, 87mph and 89mph<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@SajSadiqCricket) <a href="https://twitter.com/SajSadiqCricket/status/1546136872858124288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 10, 2022</a></blockquote>
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Marooned said:
He has ipl speedguns to thank. Otherwise his pace is nothing special.
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I said the same during the IPL .
He is a 142-143 kph average bowler on international speed guns that too in T20s
Those guns were very generous to a lot of bowlers.
Nowhere close to being the fastest in the world let alone being compared to Shoaib akhtar by the indian media.
Akhtar would prolly clock 152-155 regularly if he played t20 in his prime.
 
cricketjoshila said:
When his hyped team mates like BK went for 46 and Harshal for 50 plus, i honestly believe he did fine. Bowled the last over and defended.
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India is missing Bhuvi today who has been exceptional in the last couple of matches. Start watching proper cricket to identify players who are good for team rather than sitting on the hype train always. :inti
 
ethan hunt said:
I said the same during the IPL .
He is a 142-143 kph average bowler on international speed guns that too in T20s
Those guns were very generous to a lot of bowlers.
Nowhere close to being the fastest in the world let alone being compared to Shoaib akhtar by the indian media.
Akhtar would prolly clock 152-155 regularly if he played t20 in his prime.
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I agree. He is fast but nothing extraordinary. Half a dozen young pakistan bowlers bowl this speed and many many more around the world.
His hype was entirely built on extreme pace and that he is not.
 
Major said:
And we had indian fans bashing naseem shah.

I have to apologize to the posters who i argued with regarding speed guns. Apprently umran was faster in indian wickets and slower comparitively on these pitches...
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What did I say? Same happened with Khaleel Ahmed. He was bowling at a good speed in domestic cricket but was trundling in International Cricket. It seems they bought these bowling machines from China. :inti
 
Very disappointed in Indian speedguns. Thought I’d watch some serious pace but this kid is barely touching 90mph
 
Marooned said:
I agree. He is fast but nothing extraordinary. Half a dozen young pakistan bowlers bowl this speed and many many more around the world.
His hype was entirely built on extreme pace and that he is not.
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He is nowhere near young Akhtar also. He was something else. Umran won't get too many chances for obvious reasons. He has to make his name quickly and improve himself. I want him to do well but he should not be overhyped. Many indian fans were teasing others about his speed, even then I said that this maybe a new thing for India but world cricket has already seen bowlers like that even before Umran was born lol. :inti
 
Marooned said:
I agree. He is fast but nothing extraordinary. Half a dozen young pakistan bowlers bowl this speed and many many more around the world.
His hype was entirely built on extreme pace and that he is not.
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Where are these half a dozen bowlers? Pakistan bowling attack is nothing to write home about.

Let Umran play a few matches and we will see if he is fast or not. Currently i am seeing that he is losing his run up and commentators talking about his rhythm that looks off.
 
Umran is bowling very short, he was not bowling this short in the IPL.. Something is different in what Steyn asked him to do and what the current management is asking him to do.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Umran is bowling very short, he was not bowling this short in the IPL.. Something is different in what Steyn asked him to do and what the current management is asking him to do.
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Lol what? :91: He is bowling trash. Surely team management didn't ask him to do that. The only difference is he is not playing in a low quality IPL, this is international cricket and it will be a great learning experience for him. This is where men play serious cricket. Hopefully you won't make fun of trundlers Bhuvi, Harshal etc from now onwards. :inti
 
cricketjoshila said:
Where are these half a dozen bowlers? Pakistan bowling attack is nothing to write home about.

Let Umran play a few matches and we will see if he is fast or not. Currently i am seeing that he is losing his run up and commentators talking about his rhythm that looks off.
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You are finding these excuses now whereas you don't use these when you talk about Naseem Shah. :inti
 
Though his selection is premature at this point, he needs to be persisted with. You can teach skills. But you cannot teach pace.
 
He is not faster then Hasnain, Musa Dahani in terms of average speed.

I think Haris, Naseem and Shaheen will be quicker in terms of average pace of we look at T 20 only
 
cricketjoshila said:
Where are these half a dozen bowlers? Pakistan bowling attack is nothing to write home about.

Let Umran play a few matches and we will see if he is fast or not. Currently i am seeing that he is losing his run up and commentators talking about his rhythm that looks off.
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Are you seriously asking if Pakistan has 6 bowlers of this pace???

Naseem, Dahani, Musa, Hasnain, Rauf ,Shaheen.

Rauf and Shaheen go higher as they've 150 every t20 series I've seen in last 2 years. I'm talking internationals.

Let him produce those produce those promised (ipl) speeds and we will acknowledge.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Where are these half a dozen bowlers? Pakistan bowling attack is nothing to write home about.

Let Umran play a few matches and we will see if he is fast or not. Currently i am seeing that he is losing his run up and commentators talking about his rhythm that looks off.
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No one is taking about quality maybe he is very good in terms of just average pace he is somewhere in middle of pack if you put him alongside your Pakistani pacers.
 
Xoib said:
He is not faster then Hasnain, Musa Dahani in terms of average speed.

I think Haris, Naseem and Shaheen will be quicker in terms of average pace of we look at T 20 only
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Something is off today from Umran. May be injured or was told to cut down on pace.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Something is off today from Umran. May be injured or was told to cut down on pace.
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To be honest he looks like a good bowler with lots going for him the worst thing for him will be just to put added pressure on him to be a Lee or Akhtar type speed demon he is not in that range and will suffer if he is forced to become something he isn't
 
Marooned said:
Are you seriously asking if Pakistan has 6 bowlers of this pace???

Naseem, Dahani, Musa, Hasnain, Rauf ,Shaheen.

Rauf and Shaheen go higher as they've 150 every t20 series I've seen in last 2 years. I'm talking internationals.

Let him produce those produce those promised (ipl) speeds and we will acknowledge.
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Pakistan has a fast bowling culture and history of having quality fast bowlers. We just found 1 half baked fast(150kph?) bowler and have got the right to mock Pakistan's fast bowling culture and their fast bowlers. He is from Jammu, he won't get too many opportunities. If he was in Pakistan he would have got better tips from legends of fast bowling. It is pretty similar to India's batting culture and young batsmen getting tips from the likes of Gavaskar, Dravid, Laxman or Sachin. We never had a 150kph fast bowler before so we don't have experience and tips to pass onto him. This way he will be limited in his abilities and won't reach heights. He should get some tips from Wasim, Waqar or even Shoaib. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Pakistan has a fast bowling culture and history of having quality fast bowlers. We just found 1 half baked fast(150kph?) bowler and have got the right to mock Pakistan's fast bowling culture and their fast bowlers. He is from Jammu, he won't get too many opportunities. If he was in Pakistan he would have got better tips from legends of fast bowling. It is pretty similar to India's batting culture and young batsmen getting tips from the likes of Gavaskar, Dravid, Laxman or Sachin. We never had a 150kph fast bowler before so we don't have experience and tips to pass onto him. This way he will be limited in his abilities and won't reach heights. He should get some tips from Wasim, Waqar or even Shoaib. :inti
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He is not a 150 kmph bowler don't turn him in to something he is not he looks decent and will have a good career if he bowls in 140-145 range bowl faster then what he can will get injured
 
Xoib said:
He is not a 150 kmph bowler don't turn him in to something he is not he looks decent and will have a good career if he bowls in 140-145 range bowl faster then what he can will get injured
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But some fans are saying that he was bowling 155kph in IPL? I don't watch IPL so was going by those fans opinions. :inti
 
Smashed to all parts.

Batting track, but he needs a few more tricks up his sleeve or he won't last long.
 
Saj said:
Smashed to all parts.

Batting track, but he needs a few more tricks up his sleeve or he won't last long.
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Problem is he doesn't have game time. 2 T20Is across a month wont help him and they won't play him in 5-8 striaght matches.

I was amazed that they didn't pick him for the WI ODI series.

They gave that dud Unadkat more chances.
 
He has a long way to go to become a good bowler.His pace is good but he pace alone is not going to get him wickets.Wahab Riaz and Muhammad Sami very quick but not very successful.Batsmen can handle pace now.They have plenty of protection so the chances of getting injured are low now.In the old days fast bowlers used to go for the ribs and heads which was very scary.
 
Still very raw. But not sure why his pace was significantly down. Even in Ireland he bowled at 150 kph. Almost like 10k down. Bowled well within himself. Also giving him a new ball was a bad idea or some experiment. Because even in the IPL he came around 10th over. Definitely not an erratic bowler. He is bowling perfect hittable lengths for T20 that too at a reduced speed. May be some other formats where he has to develop himself first.
 
Saj said:
Smashed to all parts.

Batting track, but he needs a few more tricks up his sleeve or he won't last long.
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1/56 in 4 overs - only success was Jason Roy

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Either his pace has dropped significantly, or the IPL speedguns were not accurately showing his real pace.
 
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RedwoodOriginal said:
Either his pace has dropped significantly, or the IPL speedguns were not accurately showing his real pace.
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IPL speed guns showed accurate pace of all other bowlers. No?

He needs to play a few matches on the trot. 2 matches in a month wont do him good.
 
He has that waqar Younis action so it's a matter of time that he will get schooled like how Jadeja did to Waqar.. He will learn though.
 
Not in the West Indies bound T20I squad - so seems Umran experiment is over?
 
Darren Gough in a recent interview regarding Indian pace at the T20 World Cup in Australia

"Then you've got Umran Malik. Anybody who bowls that speed gets into my squad. On the pitches in Australia, you might just need that extra bit of pace to shock the opposition"
 
151 KpH delivery to remove Shanto in 2nd ODI

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More than that wicket, the over before was where lot of action happened. He hurt Shakib very badly twice. Once on his shoulder back then pinged his helmet at serious pace. I don't even know why Shakib continued playing.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
More than that wicket, the over before was where lot of action happened. He hurt Shakib very badly twice. Once on his shoulder back then pinged his helmet at serious pace. I don't even know why Shakib continued playing.
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Video of that

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Ma sha Allah, serious pace from Umran bhai.
 
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