He himself has confessed in the past that he is around 5 years older than his official age.
But not ranked.
Good bowlers take 5-fers. In test format, 5-fers shows if you can run though opposition line up. Waqar's average deteriorated as his ability to take 5-fers. So they are not unrelated. Off course, you will not ignore avg. Some one taking many 5-fers but averaging 35 is not a good bowler.
bro if we use the same criteria, than Michael Holding becomes equal to Waqar as he only took 13 5vers while Waqar took 12, with the opposition criteria being Pakistan, India, West Indies, Australia, NZ, England, South Africa. Andy Roberts becomes similar, and even James Anderson.
13 5-fers? in ODI?
im talking about test
stats.espncricinfo.com
Oh, I saw you were talking about test. My mistake.
na bro, the criteria is always bowling avgs.
It's clearly mentioned in OP that top 4-5 teams sorted by W/L ratio.You on purpose removed NZ and Eng to make Waqar look bad.
like even the list you posted in op there are 6 bowlers belonging from the ENG and NZ just to manipulate stats
Here are the stats that considers the 7 teams
Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com
This is why i avoid statistical discussions as it can be manipulated to make someone look good or bad.
I saw his entire career. I will see average in all conditions plus ability to run through sides. Both are important.
if you saw his career live, than i will give you that.
Holding was actually a bit overhyped bcoz he was fast - just like Shoaib Akhtar. He was not exactly a matchwinner unlike say Malcolm Marshall & Andy Roberts. Roberts & MArshall were more effective in all conditions bcoz they had more variation. Holding was brute pace but little else
'Guru' of Jasprit Bumrah showing his masterclass against minnows of that time.
Yes Pakistan are a minnow team, he absolutely smashed your mediocre nobodies in 2003 and sent them into retirement
Lol someone who got smacked left and right by Jadeja in a bowling era in a qtr final will be only Haris Rauf’s guru.
Now compare the Strike rate in this list, Waqar will be at top.
120 MPH???An article published by Mike Selvey in the Guardian states that he witnessed the speed gun at Lords registering 120mph when Waqar Younis was bowling.
"Actually I'm not going to argue all that much in that it certainly was rapid, although I have witnessed at very close hand Jeff Thomson, from the Pavilion End, sending down what he himself described to me as "the fastest spell I ever bowled on a slow pitch". I also recall Waqar Younis obliterating England through the air. But 100mph is a pretty significant figure, and not one with which to trifle....
During another Lord's spell from Waqar, I happened to glance at the little illuminated strip with its digital numbers, set in front of the grandstand, and one delivery read 120mph. Few seemed to see it. It was nonsense of course, an anomaly. But if that was an anomaly, how can we trust other readings.
" Mike Selvey.
Shaun Tait is certainly very fast, but 100mph? | Mike Selvey
Mike Selvey: The speed gun is an entertaining diversion but is it really all that accurate?www.theguardian.com
Yes. That speed gun must have been broken. Waqar was never even a 100mph bowler let alone 120MPH.
He was extremely destructive pre-back injury and used to blow batting lineups away. His record during that period is incredible. Much better than Wasim Akram's during any stage of his career.
Agreed
Many don't rate Ashwin because of SG ball.
He was of course not as quick as Shoaib or even Lee. But I saw his clips when he was younger. He was quick. 145+ range easily if I had to point. The reason i think he was so deadly is because of his reverse swing and his ability to nail the toe crushing yorkers.
I don't know if he declined that much after 96. Below clip was after 96 WC after he took that legendary beating from jadeja.
What did Tendulkar do to him?.....
Top edged him for 6
Yea of course, that’s why he starred in the series vs England that summer.
That was shoaib akhtar not waqar younis
Enough to ensure that he gets booed out of the ground by Pakistani fans during the presentation ceremony of that match.
True, my point is simply that a lot of Indians magnify some random thing. They celebrate those edges as if it means anything.
What do you guys call top teams? Who was the top team in early 90s?
Bumrah vs Waqar is debatable on odi since waqar benefitted from the one ball reverse swing rule and their was ball tampering in that era
And yet career wise he's been superior on every metric
You’re talking as if waqar’s whole career was 1999-2003.
Right, cause India made fair pitches during 2023 wc lol.
Great essay, but you only have to look at 2001 at Lords where he bowled a spell hitting 90-91mph very regularly. In the home England series 2000-2001 karachi in the dark match he was hitting 88mph. In the 2003 World Cup he was hitting 87-88mph. In 1999 test at Hobart, he hit 91mph a few times.
Thread is not about Bumrah or Shami...
The likes of Klaseen, Miller, Travis head(who bumrah dismissed in the cup) are not medicore by any metric especially Travis.
Lol - so now it’s about individual innings. What other metric will satisfy your statistical gymnastics?New zealand in the 90s and early 2000s were petrified of pace bowlers. If you look at the 90s almost all the fast bowlers had their best numbers against NZ. Akram, Sohaib, Brett Lee, Waqar... even Mohammad Sami, Mohammad zahid got his best numbers against NZ. They had this weakness against raw pace. So when you talk about top side , NZ's weakness of this made them a poor side.
From 1990-2005
Best bowling performance of pakistanis in Tests. Vast majority came against NZ
By the same account Waqar Younis got a lot of wickets with a ball that had all kind of violations done to it too and hapless goras on dusty home pithes were left to fend on their own . We can go on the nitpicking rabbit hole mate.
No aura at all, dead personalities and inflated numbers against mediocre opposition on unhelpful tracks, I have to point this out since you lot started the absurd nitpicking mate. All the lads idolised Waqar including Bolt, He bought excitement to the game. Bumrah and Shami are mainly being advocated by the EE customer service lot and other than that.
