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I find it astonishing to see no one bat an eye for this guys exclusion time and time again. He was unfortunate to miss out on WC selection and didn't get a go in the recent England series.

This guy averages 18 with the ball and has 34 wickets in 17 matches. On top of that he is a matchwinning bowler renowned for ripping through lineups. Something Pakistan agonisingly lacks.

Time to give him the respect he deserves. Pakistan should stop wasting this guy.
 
Single handedly lost games in PSL 2019 so lost favour from Mickey Arthur. Has been out of the team since then.
 
Sher Khan said:
I find it astonishing to see no one bat an eye for this guys exclusion time and time again. He was unfortunate to miss out on WC selection and didn't get a go in the recent England series.

This guy averages 18 with the ball and has 34 wickets in 17 matches. On top of that he is a matchwinning bowler renowned for ripping through lineups. Something Pakistan agonisingly lacks.

Time to give him the respect he deserves. Pakistan should stop wasting this guy.
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He is a well known bottler in tough situations.
 
Was the top wicket taker in the last odi series pakistan played!
Atleast should have been a part of current squad
 
Has all the skills to be a good top bowler, unfortunately lacks the brains to be one.
 
He also went for 60 runs in 4 overs against South Africa. He’s never been in favour since that phenta
 
Just a reminder. That Shinwari averages 18 with 34 wickets in 17 matches and also has the most man of the matches as a pacer since 2011- when Shoaib Akhtar retired. Yet, he misses out on selection.
 
Chokes too much in T20s but needs to be in the squad as a bench option for ODIs.

Not too convinced regarding his Test match abilities but he has decent FC stats and didn't do much wrong to be dropped from the Test squad. Again, wouldn't mind him too much on the bench.

Crazy how in the midst of discussing Amir's exclusion, no one's even brought up Shinwari at all.
 
Well , Usman Khan Shinwari also took 4 wickets in an "PINK DAY" ODI & was Man of the Match Vs S.Af. in the same tour.
And this was S.Af 's FIRST EVER,LAST & ONLY defeat in an "PINK DAY" ODI (in Total 7 matches) .
 
Well , Usman Khan Shinwari also took 4 wickets in an "PINK DAY" ODI & was Man of the Match Vs S.Af. in the same tour.
And this was S.Af 's FIRST EVER,LAST & ONLY defeat in an "PINK DAY" ODI (in Total 7 matches) .
 
Respect for what? Just few wicekts against weak opposition. Only notable performances has been against SA. His fitness is an issue too.
 
I dont understand why pakistan only play him against minnows he only has played 6 or 7 matches against good opposition aus and sa and he has done decently well. He might be unlucky not to get more chances but playing most of your matches against minnows and taking heaps of wickets against them dosent earn respect.
 
His age is the problem. He is neither too young nor too old

His avg against Aus is 27.80 and against SA 25.40 but some posters are still calling him a minnow basher :misbah
 
Karachi being a generally useless team means he got very badly singled out when they lost matches. He bowled one no ball many years back and that's what the Karachi fan base started abusing him for. Even with a stellar ODI record he was dropped from the world cup squad because of the PSL and that was probably one of the most demoralising things that has happened to him. He has been bowling very well recently though.

Shaheen got all the plaudits in the NT20 but in the games they played ,Shinwari, Imran Khan and Arshad Iqbal were all very good. Shinwari seems to have really worked on his batting too. He's hitting them cleanly and big
 
GudduBadmash said:
Karachi being a generally useless team means he got very badly singled out when they lost matches. He bowled one no ball many years back and that's what the Karachi fan base started abusing him for. Even with a stellar ODI record he was dropped from the world cup squad because of the PSL and that was probably one of the most demoralising things that has happened to him. He has been bowling very well recently though.

Shaheen got all the plaudits in the NT20 but in the games they played ,Shinwari, Imran Khan and Arshad Iqbal were all very good. Shinwari seems to have really worked on his batting too. He's hitting them cleanly and big
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He was trash for Qalandars too.

Good ODI bowler, but gets discarded because of his T20 thrashings
 
RyanRyan10 said:
His age is the problem. He is neither too young nor too old

His avg against Aus is 27.80 and against SA 25.40 but some posters are still calling him a minnow basher :misbah
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He has poor stamina. Not cut for test cricket. Good for odi I would say in seaming condtions. Terrible T20 bowler.
 
To me, he is a very good ODI bowler and has the ability to run through a lineup. But also a guy that's venerable to poor performances and leaking a lot of runs. I think he certainly deserves a good run in ODI's and is certainly the better bowler than Rauf/Ashraf/Musa etc right now.

He doesn't seem like a good fit for T20's though just because of how many runs he gives up.
 
People find lot of reasons against him for his exclusion.

He is a gun bowler in ODIs and not suited for T20s. Tests didn’t play much but can’t say he is bad , he has good record in FC

Pakistan always had this problem , never judge players potential based on formats.

Did well in PSL, will be selected for ODIs and tests. Did well in tests, will be selected in T20s
 
Good bowler imo. Certainly goes off the rails at the slightest hint of pressure from what I remember.

Would really need to make some noise at the domestic circuit before getting back into the team imo
 
Usman Khan Shinwari with brilliant figures so far of 2/10 in 2 overs in LPL
 
He has excellent performances in odis under his belt , the culture of kicking out a player from one format becuase of failure in other is unprofessional to say the least.
 
JibranAnsari said:
He has excellent performances in odis under his belt , the culture of kicking out a player from one format becuase of failure in other is unprofessional to say the least.
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Lol Shinwari averages under 20 in ODIs yet he was dropped for Musa who went at 8 an over vs Zimbabwe smh
 
I think he should be in the squad in place of Musa Khan. He has pace, and genuinely has the ability to take wickets. At times, he might go for runs, but same with Musa. He's a more refined bowler compared with Musa, and those ODI stats are good enough to be a rotational player or even take up a spot from Wahab Riaz.
 
Wow ...As if the Preferred ones show strength in tough situations ...
I have seen them shoulders down, panicking and in helpless modes , again & again...
And I always saw Usman Khan Shinwari fighting i.e. striving ... He is dropped more than 6 times without any solid reasons with such Pathetic logic of "bottler in tough situations" and I saw that UKS fought back into the team with strong performances .
What you see as a weakness , it is his strength .
He is a fighter , someone who will attack with twice fury if he is hit .
I rate him as the bravest of all Pakistan players (esp. Pace Bowlers) . He is wicket taker. He attacks & he always come back with more fury if he is beaten .
The reason he is disliked or felt not-suitable is bcoz Pakistan cricket is in helplessly defensive state (read cowardness) with no aggression , no competitiveness , full of personal liking & dislikings , fatal defensive approach to matches & series , lack of confidence ,Parchi driven .
UKS is all fury, energy , power , attack .
The two doesn't fit together .
Just imagine it's
Tuk-Tuk Misbah mentality Vs UKS mentality ....
Insha Allah , Like Allah removed the hurdles of Inzamam & PCB team , later Sarfaraz and now Misbah from Selection ... I am hopeful PCB & Pak Cricket will move from cowardness to bravery , from defensive approach to aggressive one , & from Parchis like Musa & Rolakattas like Faheem to the deserving, attacking, risk-taker ,prover UKS .
UKS when gets settled in the team will be the moment when it is confirmed that Pakistan cricket has in reality changed its approach...
Hope it happens soon ...
 
I remember my Pakistani roommate showed me his first class match performance. He destroyed the opposition. He was swinging the white ball like a banana. Another talent wasted by Pakistan.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I think he should be in the squad in place of Musa Khan. He has pace, and genuinely has the ability to take wickets. At times, he might go for runs, but same with Musa. He's a more refined bowler compared with Musa, and those ODI stats are good enough to be a rotational player or even take up a spot from Wahab Riaz.
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Don't take me the wrong way but Musa Khan doesn't look cut out for test cricket. He is too short. I remember Ponting bashing Pak team management when he played test cricket vs Aus. He even mentioned this is the worst bowling attack that came to Aus. Ex Aus players talked about whether its worth to invite Pak for test series anymore.
 
The way he is dropped from test squad without even playing a match on the last tour (Eng) is a bit surprising. Not sure if it was lack of form in the warm ups or practice sessions. I never get it when someone is selected for a particular tour and then is dropped form the next tour without even playing a match. A pretty common occurrence in Pak cricket. A player should be selected for a reason and if he is dropped there should be a reason for that as well.

Hopefully he isnt dropped from the ODIs going forward as his stats are too good sideline him. At around 26 years of age the way he was rested vs Zimbabwe was also surprising as it wasnt like he was a 30 odd year old veteran or someone struggling.
 
Titan24 said:
The way he is dropped from test squad without even playing a match on the last tour (Eng) is a bit surprising. Not sure if it was lack of form in the warm ups or practice sessions. I never get it when someone is selected for a particular tour and then is dropped form the next tour without even playing a match. A pretty common occurrence in Pak cricket. A player should be selected for a reason and if he is dropped there should be a reason for that as well.

Hopefully he isnt dropped from the ODIs going forward as his stats are too good sideline him. At around 26 years of age the way he was rested vs Zimbabwe was also surprising as it wasnt like he was a 30 odd year old veteran or someone struggling.
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Could it be the conditions ?
 
Shinwari has really been bowling very well in the past few T20 he has played whether it is the NT20 or the LPL.

I think the best way for Shinwari to get selected again is a match winning cameo with the bat.

He has improved this facet of his game. Clean hitter of the ball. It travels a mile
 
Cric_lover4487 said:
Don't take me the wrong way but Musa Khan doesn't look cut out for test cricket. He is too short. I remember Ponting bashing Pak team management when he played test cricket vs Aus. He even mentioned this is the worst bowling attack that came to Aus. Ex Aus players talked about whether its worth to invite Pak for test series anymore.
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Yeah Musa Khan is probably the most unfinished product out of the current young pacers we have. His selection is not on the basis of merit, and his spot should have been given to someone who performed in the past, like Shinwari.
 
Shinwari...Tabish khan n Waqas Maqsood deserve more chances in place of the 3 Khan's....sohel imran musa
 
shamaan said:
Could it be the conditions ?
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If would have been Aus or SA tour, it might have been understandable but, NZ could have been a suitable place for Shinwari considering his type of bowling. He might not even have been selected in the XI but, still could have been in the squad. Can bit management bit of leeway because they have had to announce combined squads so it becomes difficult maintain balance of two formats in the squad.
 
Only someone like shahid afridi could drop an akhtar for a wahab
Usman is too similar to wahab to get into the team
We need more variation than to have 2 riaz's in one side
 
Titan24 said:
If would have been Aus or SA tour, it might have been understandable but, NZ could have been a suitable place for Shinwari considering his type of bowling. He might not even have been selected in the XI but, still could have been in the squad. Can bit management bit of leeway because they have had to announce combined squads so it becomes difficult maintain balance of two formats in the squad.
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Yeah i agree he would have been decent in new Zealand
 
Shinwari is a horrible death bowler. He keeps getting used in that role by his T20 teams and it never pays off. People hate him now as a result. In truth, he should be given the new ball and middle overs only, and not come anywhere near the last 6 overs.

He’s a quite good ODI and Test bowler, but we have others ahead of him in the pecking order and he isn’t even trying to put his name in the ring.

Case in point, playing LPL instead of first class cricket where he could be competing for best pacer to throw his name back in the ring.
 
2/20 in 2 overs in the final of LPL - well done to UKS
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Shinwari is a horrible death bowler. He keeps getting used in that role by his T20 teams and it never pays off. People hate him now as a result. In truth, he should be given the new ball and middle overs only, and not come anywhere near the last 6 overs.

He’s a quite good ODI and Test bowler, but we have others ahead of him in the pecking order and he isn’t even trying to put his name in the ring.

Case in point, playing LPL instead of first class cricket where he could be competing for best pacer to throw his name back in the ring.
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yeah because our first class cricket performances have such a big reputation of helping players get selected to the national team .... /sarcasm



if im Usman Khan Shinwari i would not hesitate to play in LPL over first class cricket. LPL is televised and as a result performances are actually acknowledged.

Usman has been sensational in ODI, and his t20 performances are getting better and better as his career progresses. he is also becoming good at power hitting, which is something limited overs teams always need since many matches often come down to the batting ability of number 9

If he keeps this up his time will come. Then again i never underestimate the ignorance of our selectors....
 
IM NOT YOU said:
yeah because our first class cricket performances have such a big reputation of helping players get selected to the national team .... /sarcasm



if im Usman Khan Shinwari i would not hesitate to play in LPL over first class cricket. LPL is televised and as a result performances are actually acknowledged.

Usman has been sensational in ODI, and his t20 performances are getting better and better as his career progresses. he is also becoming good at power hitting, which is something limited overs teams always need since many matches often come down to the batting ability of number 9

If he keeps this up his time will come. Then again i never underestimate the ignorance of our selectors....
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First Class cricket is now televised. And performances are now being acknowledged. Just note the buzz Hassan Ali is generating these days - no one is talking about Shinwari.
 
I am a big supporter of this guy and always will be. Because he is exactly what Pakistan need a match winning fast bowler. He averages 18 in ODIS. He can rip through a batting lineup in a matter of a few balls. Yes I understand he can be expensive, but he is a strike bowler and we need him in all 3 formats.
 
He has to be in the mix. Gives the left arm variety and puts a lot of effort. If only he can learn to bring the ball back in, he would be really handy. Wonder what he is upto these days, havent heard a lot about him for a while
 
Sher Khan said:
I am a big supporter of this guy and always will be. Because he is exactly what Pakistan need a match winning fast bowler. He averages 18 in ODIS. He can rip through a batting lineup in a matter of a few balls. Yes I understand he can be expensive, but he is a strike bowler and we need him in all 3 formats.
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He conceded 47, 48 runs in the NT20 and then I saw him in the T10 series and he was one of the most brainless bowlers out there, especially under pressure. I am not equating t10 performances with ODIs but his other figures aren't much to write home about and his domestic figures came at a time when almost every bowler and their dog had GOAT domestic numbers. Besides I believe the line ups he ran through were SL C and WI or something.

Anyway my point from what I have seen is that he seems to be another brainless bowler and people will be asking for the inclusion of someone else not playing once he gets taken to the cleaners.
 
The problem with Shinwari is on his good days, he is very good, but on his bad days, he is extremely bad. He is a rhythm bowler. In one match he will take a 5 fer or a 4fer, in the next, he woul go for 8 an over. Still an upgrade over Musa Khan. But a poor man's Umar Gul atm.

He needs to work on his control. Can be a good asset in LOIs but really in tests unless he improves his control massively.
 
Sher Khan said:
I am a big supporter of this guy and always will be. Because he is exactly what Pakistan need a match winning fast bowler. He averages 18 in ODIS. He can rip through a batting lineup in a matter of a few balls. Yes I understand he can be expensive, but he is a strike bowler and we need him in all 3 formats.
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We all have one or two cricketers who we unconditionally support. Similarly, I have a liking for Junaid Khan and Fawad Alam. Still think Junaid was mistreated from 2015-till now. Especially under Mickey, he kept dropping him for every tom dick and harry and every time he would get a go, he would perform. In the end, he ended up preferring Hasnain and Wahab over him. Mickey's bias and stubborn nature still disgusts me.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
We all have one or two cricketers who we unconditionally support. Similarly, I have a liking for Junaid Khan and Fawad Alam. Still think Junaid was mistreated from 2015-till now. Especially under Mickey, he kept dropping him for every tom dick and harry and every time he would get a go, he would perform. In the end, he ended up preferring Hasnain and Wahab over him. Mickey's bias and stubborn nature still disgusts me.
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Defonitely junaid was mistreated imagine if junaid got the backing that amir got
 
Think he's a good option in T20 for me. Also another left arm option in the team with Akif Javed still recovering.
 
He is a good ODI bowler. For t20s it will take two boundaries to put him off for the game.

Not a thinking bowler , lacks control over his bowling when taken apart.

Also a rhythm bowler who rip through the opposition when he is on song.

For ODIs and Tests he can be useful. But for the T20s not an option. Can easily go for 40 odd runs any day.

Hasnain this guy has been in the team ever since Usman was dropped for the WC. Actually he steals the place of Usman. But still I don’t know why hasnain is in the team, plays zero matches, carry drinks and towels every game comeback home then do the same thing again next series.
 
Sher Khan said:
I am a big supporter of this guy and always will be. Because he is exactly what Pakistan need a match winning fast bowler. He averages 18 in ODIS. He can rip through a batting lineup in a matter of a few balls. Yes I understand he can be expensive, but he is a strike bowler and we need him in all 3 formats.
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His average was heavily stat padded by performances against Zim and SL iirc.

He's had plenty of opportunity in domestics to stake his claim but looks no better than anyone else. In terms of skill level i'd lump him in with Junaid Khan. We're better off looking at the other pacers that are available like Akif or Hasnain who offer more variety than another gun barrel straight bowler at 135km/h.
 
Hafeez hits Shinwari for 19 in an over. Got unlucky with the dropped catch and fell apart after that. Quetta can't afford such overs
 
Always bowls a boundary ball every over

Hes too erraatic n expensive
 
Because he’s crap. Case closed. Mark
My words he’s never ever gonna get selected for pakistan again.
 
Dosent do well under pressure. 1 or 2 boundaries can destroy his rythym. Pak cant afford to feild a bowler who blows hot and cold.
 
Lowest Average Bowling Impact in T20s since the start of 2019 (Min - 100 Overs)

Kesrick Williams : -4.0
Usman Shinwari : -3.6
Keemo Paul : -3.6
Billy Stanlake : -3.5
Scott Kuggeleijn : -2.5
Chris Green : -2.3

According to cricviz, he’s the second worst bowler in the world right now.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
Very decent with the new ball in 4 day and Tests. Terrible, terrible limited overs bowler.
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I think he has a chance of making the ODI team, and possibly the test team, but not the T20 team.

People are using T20s as a basis of judging him in other formats.

Would like to see him play a full season of QEA and the Pakistan Cup to see what he can do.

Should stay away from T20s, he's like the Umesh Yadav of Pakistan, horrible T20 bowler, but something there in ODI and Tests.
 
shinwari should not play t20s. He is a work horse and will run in and bowl all day and he is effective that way. He should be played in ODIs and Tests only.
 
UzmanBeast said:
I think he has a chance of making the ODI team, and possibly the test team, but not the T20 team.

People are using T20s as a basis of judging him in other formats.

Would like to see him play a full season of QEA and the Pakistan Cup to see what he can do.

Should stay away from T20s, he's like the Umesh Yadav of Pakistan, horrible T20 bowler, but something there in ODI and Tests.
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I said this a couple weeks ago, I think he made the single worst decision of his career by skipping first class this season to go play LPL. Could have become a new ball contender for our longer format team instead of Tabish Khan (and as a younger alternative to Waqas Maqsood).
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
First Class cricket is now televised. And performances are now being acknowledged. Just note the buzz Hassan Ali is generating these days - no one is talking about Shinwari.
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Said this in December. Hassan Ali gets picked in Platinum and Shinwari has probably played his last T20 match.
 
Thunderbolt14 said:
I said this a couple weeks ago, I think he made the single worst decision of his career by skipping first class this season to go play LPL. Could have become a new ball contender for our longer format team instead of Tabish Khan (and as a younger alternative to Waqas Maqsood).
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Yeah, he could have been a contender for that slot, and he would probably have got it if he picked up about 30-35 wickets in the QEA.

Tabish is old already, he's not gonna debut in my opinion.

Someone like Nawaz looks to be in some good form, so he should get a chance in tests, but people want to play Shadab without thinking of the fact that he can't hold the spin-bowling front.
 
Shinwari needs consistence, conditioning

He's indeed a talented bowler, and capable of becoming one of the best the game has produced, however, his temperament is a problem, he's hot and cold always, one day he can defend even 5 runs in T20 but another day he may not be able to defend even 20 runs, In sum, he lacks consistency, also his physique which makes him injury prone. He needs body conditioning.
 
He gets plenty of the treatment he deserves, he bowls brainlessly and gets dealt with accordingly. You don't get respect for being a trundler..
 
Shaddy86 said:
He gets plenty of the treatment he deserves, he bowls brainlessly and gets dealt with accordingly. You don't get respect for being a trundler..
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everything is fine but he is no
"tundler" = who consitatly bowls in late 120s to early 130s

I think he is faster than that atleast in T20s and to some extent Odi's
 
He always had a little low brain power, but in the last two years, he has also lost pace.

135 kph braindead hit the deck bowler serves no value.
 
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Haider takes Shinwari's over for 17 runs, really poor bowling
 
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