Not whole but just one of the many issues. So Yeah that sounds like a NO. But go ahead and explain why you expect nothing but complete respect from Hindus towards your beliefs and that too in India ?
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Not whole but just one of the many issues. So Yeah that sounds like a NO. But go ahead and explain why you expect nothing but complete respect from Hindus towards your beliefs and that too in India ?
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So, let me get this right…anyone that eats beef is insulting Hinduism?
Should 1.2 billion people dictate what we can and can’t put in our bodies because of your faith?
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india is the biggest exporter of beef you hypocrite what are you
.The topic you are bringing up is about what Happens in India in response to open unhinged muslim bigotry when they harm cows
So you want to tell why muslims still indulging in blatant bigotry/intolerance?
I dare you to answer that question ( its only been about 6 months that I am chasing you )
Naah this discussion with Major is merely about whats happening on PP ... and even on a anonymous online forum there is no considerations at all for Hindu beliefs and it is visible in full glory right here on this Forum ... let me know how many posts you need where full on bigotry is on display bindaas. ( Actually just wait and the usual islamic bigots will show up and do the Needful). Last I checked there was no shortage of pakistani posters batting for the rogue Muslim bigots who are caught harming cows and declaring the Hindus to be the bigots !!
Moreover as I have clarified Before this is beyond diet. Its about cow protection as they are sacred. Do you really think even in India .. Most Muslims have any considerations towards Hindu beliefs ? Note: its not like we are asking Muslims to start worshipping cows. Yet this despicable intolerance continues even today and even the most educated Pakistani will not hesitate to bat for these scumbags.
This is why there can never be any peaceful coexistence with Muslims.
So you want Hindus in Indiato change their religious beliefs? Note its about protecting cows ... understand what that means.
And here is a prediction: you will run away from this thread like most Muslims on this forum.
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Why is india the biggest exporter of beef in the world for $$$$$$$$ if its so sacred???
Your Quote: This is why there can never be any peaceful coexistence with Muslims.
How about you tell your fellow indians to leave the Muslim countries they make $$$ from and send back to india.
Said individual is the new indian hindu..
As despicable as they come, but nothing new
At the 53 minute mark, Bakhle says that Savarkar’s “skilfully” projected the majority community as a minority community and was therefore able to mobilise supporters by combining a sense of vulnerability and resentment. The language of victimisation and anger, the psychological yearning to cleanse, to purify and to regenerate became central to the worldview of Savarkar and is very much apparent with his supporters today.
Grievance if channeled and given shape, narrative and direction is a very powerful emotion.
Related to this, the ‘myth’ of a community suffering together can also be potent. In 1882, in his lecture, ‘What is a Nation?’, the French scholar Ernest Renan noted:
“‘Suffered together’, I said, for shared suffering unites more than does joy. In fact, periods of mourning are worth more to national memory than triumphs because they impose duties and require a common effort.”
To be clear by ‘myth’, I am referring to the mobilising potential of ideas that rests on stories - that are somewhere between fact and fiction - to simplify messages and provide narrative and meaning, and which appeal to the heart rather than rational faculties.
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Very similar to the Trump philosophy isn't it. A similar pattern of majority being projected as a minority.
There was a brilliant article in the Financial Times in July 2024 before Trump was elected which looked from various angles why many Americans found a "convicted felon, a conspiracist, a philanderer and a businessman who has lied about his wealth," quite "irresistible," nonetheless.
In the following extract of that article you see the cathartic urge to cleanse the nation of its supposedly decadent elements as a prelude to its revival and regeneration.
"Sometimes, his anger seems like pantomime, as when he rails against the “fake media”, prompting the crowd to howl and hiss at an outnumbered press corps. But when Trump turns to his chief enemy, illegal immigrants, he isn’t playing. “People are being killed every single day by these monsters,” he fumed in Georgia, promising “the largest deportation ever” if he wins this autumn.
When the anger rises, Trump is relentless: “This is the most dangerous period in the history of our country . . . We are a nation in decline . . . ”
“Do something!” a man in Green Bay shouted at one point, as if the auditorium were on fire.
That is part of the point of a Trump rally. It is a call to action. “This nation belongs to you,” Trump will say. “This is your home. This is your heritage.” And so we must defend it against them, is the implicit message. “Fight!”"
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A question for those who call themselves Sanatani here: Do true Sanatanis eat non-vegetarian food? If yes, then why do they avoid onions in food prepared for 'bhandara' inside temples? 
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Congress is trying to use Sarvarkar like BJP is using Aurangzeb but failing miserably to connect with masses.
They should really think about their strategy to connect to the gullible fools and prepare a better plan if they have any hopes of ever becoming relevant again.
They should really think about their strategy to connect to the gullible fools and prepare a better plan if they have any hopes of ever becoming relevant again.
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So you want 6.8 billion people to change their diet’s because uppercut from PP worships cows?
Here’s what you should be doing, protect your cows in India, fair enough but don’t force your beliefs on the rest.
In Hinduism, Onions & Garlic is not offered inside temple or to God as it is not considered Satvik. It is related to Samundra Manthana which is a major episode in Hinduism that is elaborated in the Vishnu Purana.A question for those who call themselves Sanatani here: Do true Sanatanis eat non-vegetarian food? If yes, then why do they avoid onions in food prepared for 'bhandara' inside temples?
The prohibition of onion and garlic in the Vedas and Puranas can be understood on multiple levels. To grasp this, one must first understand the three modes of material nature: Sattva, Rajas, and Tamas.
Sattva (GOODNESS), Rajas (PASSION), and Tamas (IGNORANCE) are the closest English translations of these three Sanskrit terms.
Onions and garlic possess excellent medicinal properties and have always been valued for their health benefits. Many Ayurvedic medicines incorporate onions, garlic, or both in their formulations. However, when consumed as food, they exhibit their Rajasic (stimulating) and Tamasic (dulling) qualities.
To draw a modern parallel, consider the concept of "drug abuse." Certain drugs have legitimate medicinal uses, such as in pain killers, but when taken recreationally, they can be harmful and even life-threatening. Similarly, according to the Vedas, those engaged in intellectual and spiritual pursuits—such as priests, rishis, munis, sadhus, sages, and spiritual teachers—are advised to avoid onion and garlic.
A crude analogy would be airline operations where passengers may be served alcohol, but if the pilots request it, their demand would be outright denied, as consuming alcohol would impair their ability to perform their critical duties. Likewise, this prohibition was intended specifically for a class of high-level intellectuals and should not be misinterpreted as a universal law.
Where did I say that ?
Thats exactly what I am talking about ... now you want to explain why Muslims in India deliberately indulge in killing cows when they are very well sware of how sacred they are for Hindus ?
and the usual suspects here on PP not only are batting for these despicable animals they expect no adverse consequences meaning the expectation is for Hindus to yield to Muslim bigots so that they can go about their usual intolerant way of life that has absolutely no respect for Hindu beliefs .
And if the Hindus resort to violence then these specimen on PP will be outraged and will turn around and lay the blame on Hindus for trying to protect their beliefs !!
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So, only Muslims eat cow beef in India?
I take it no Christian, Atheist, Sikh etc eat cow beef?
Is there a law in your country that prohibits the consumption of cow beef? If not, then why?
Genius thats buffalo meat.
What has that got to do with the situation in India that I am referring to in my post that you quoted ?
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The biggest chunk of beef eating population is Muslim by faith, according to NSSO data. Around 63.4 million Muslims consume beef/buffalo. That adds upto 40% of the total Muslim population. For Christians, this figure is around 26.5%. Although, less than 2% Hindus eat beef/buffalo, they are ranked second in absolute terms. More than 12.5 million Hindus consume it.
No ... but the expectation ( here on PP ) is that you do not say things that could be insensitive and insulting to those who hold cows as sacred ... just like how most Muslims want nothing but complete respect to their beliefs prophet or their Holy texts. Its called common courtesy which is non existent amongst most Muslims.
Whereas what you find here on this forum is total disregard to Hindu beliefs and sensitivities and posters will even support despicable things like the 'right' of Muslims in India to indulge in their medieval ways of life where they have zero respect for Hindu beliefs be it cows or temples.
No idea. Not sure why you are even asking me that question.
vast Majority of the cow related violence/incidents in India involve Muslims.
There most certainly are laws to protect cows in India and they are written in the constitution. EVERY single Muslim knows this. They also know that cows are sacred to Hindus. Yet they are soo brazen that they will routinely flout laws ( and ofcourse they have very little consideration towards Hindu beliefs). This is what leads to violent backlash
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Your Qoute : Genius thats buffalo meat.
Is that what modi is telling you guys
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Holy cow! India is the world's largest beef exporter
India is the world's top beef exporter and makes more money from red meat than it does from selling rice.
money.cnn.com
India's beef exports rise under Modi govt despite Hindu vigilante campaign at home
There was a decline in beef exports in 2015-16, coinciding with first mob lynching over beef eating but they have recovered since.
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Your Qoute : Genius thats buffalo meat.
Is that what modi is telling you guys
Holy cow! India is the world's largest beef exporter
India is the world's top beef exporter and makes more money from red meat than it does from selling rice.money.cnn.com
India's beef exports rise under Modi govt despite Hindu vigilante campaign at home
There was a decline in beef exports in 2015-16, coinciding with first mob lynching over beef eating but they have recovered since.
You might want to read your own links clearly and completely first ... read the second link. Something tells me we will never see you again on this thread.
Here you go ....
Beef exports from India – the world’s largest beef exporter – refer to buffalo meat alone as the slaughter and export of cow meat is prohibited.
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So in the what in you eat thread, you want @sweep_shot to stop telling us he eat beef today?
This is a pakistani forum. Indians come here spread bs, like devadqal making a thread to change muslim city names etc, so what do you expect in return?
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@uppercut Your quote of hypocrisy in a nutshell below.
Whereas what you find here on this forum is total disregard to Hindu beliefs and sensitivities and posters will even support despicable things like the 'right' of Muslims in India to indulge in their medieval ways of life where they have zero respect for Hindu beliefs be it cows or temples
Your own right wing extreme hindu pm indulges in medievil ways and slaughters
for 
but you want Muslims in india to respect the belief your own people disrespect.
Genius.
Whereas what you find here on this forum is total disregard to Hindu beliefs and sensitivities and posters will even support despicable things like the 'right' of Muslims in India to indulge in their medieval ways of life where they have zero respect for Hindu beliefs be it cows or temples
Your own right wing extreme hindu pm indulges in medievil ways and slaughters
for but you want Muslims in india to respect the belief your own people disrespect.Genius.
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Sacred cow: how India became one of the world's top beef exporters
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I sent you the indian link deliberately to show bias indian reporting.
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What do you mean by violence?
So, there’s no restaurant in India that has cow beef on their menu (owned by non Muslims)?
In the past there have been riots, but typical there is
Thats correct. While India is a very large and densly populated country with poor law enforcement.... such restaurants that would exist would be illegal even if they exist. But it is very rare.
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CMV: The Beef Ban is a bad decision made by India
Delta(s) from OPMy family and I are Hindu-Indians. We eat beef and every kind of meat. None of us are vegetarian. But that is besides the point.
About a few weeks ago, I saw on the Indian News Channel that India is issuing a Beef Ban in India. (Beef consumption was already prohibited in a few cities) The only reason I heard of was because "Cow" is the animal of the Hindu culture.
The reasons that India claimed why the ban should be issued doesn't make sense.
This ban could be supported by a minority, not a majority. And for the minority that does not want to eat beef in India doesn't have too. There are literally other meats that could be eaten. There is no reason to take away someone's right in eating beef, just because it is from a spirit animal that died.
Forbidding people from consuming beef is simply TOO FAR. I saw a video 6 years back of a man who got arrested from eating a beef burger. That's right. EATING A BURGER. Did it harm anyone? No. Did it make that man feel bad? No. Simply poor justice from a police system and government.
People who don't want to eat beef and want the consumption of beef banned are obviously sensitive. The cow already died. We cannot revive it magically to make your problems with making a spirit animal live go away.
Beef is also healthy. Beef has an abundance of nutrients like B-vitamins, zinc, iron and protein and comes in such a delicious package with relatively few calories. Among the many delicious benefits you get from enjoying lean beef, one of the most remarkable is its role in supporting health. Sure other meats are healthy also but beef is also healthy.
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So basically, there’s non Muslims in India that would consume, sell, transport cow beef in India but only the Muslims get singled out?
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Imagine millions of Muslims mocking prophet Muhammad pbuh (which they don’t), but when a Hindu does it then it’s unacceptable.
There’s millions of Hindus that will have consumed cow beef, but when a muslim does it then it’s a problem.
There’s millions of Hindus that will have consumed cow beef, but when a muslim does it then it’s a problem.
thats extremely rare.
Not in India.
So ask yourself a second order question to arrive at what not to do in such situations ....
suppose there was a thread on "What did you draw today " ?
Would most people here tolerate if some Hindu poster said that he drew the prophet ? What would be the reaction from most Muslims ?
A rational and sensible responses to make a point as to why that's not a good idea.... instead what boisterous Muslim posters do is engage in religious mudslinging.
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Not in Kerala?
How irresponsible is this ..... so using that sort of "logic" why do Muslims get upset when someone burns a book ? So what if it is a holy text ? The act of burning did not physically hurt anybody.
Now what ? Do you see the problem ( most likely not )
correct. But I realize that there will be nutcases. These are exceptions not the norm ... because it is clearly return in the Indian constitution of India that the Govt will protect cows. Yes the enforcement of it is extremely poor ( which is why the Vigilante groups take the law into their hands )
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When Hindus themselves eat cow beef then how do you expect others to not eat cow beef?
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When u make threads like lets chane name of muslim city, or if a poster here claims he is big fan of salman rushdies muslim hating book what are you gonna expect?
Posters here respond to the poster. So if the poster is muslim hating he gets that kind of response
As I said that is rare. Exceptions dont make it a rule. Just like how alcohol drinking and pork eating muslims don't represent the wider Muslim community.
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Alcohol is available to non Muslims in countries like Pakistan and UAE, pork is available in the UAE for non Muslims.
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I love beef and I genuinely believe beef is the best meat in the world.
If thread is "what did you last eat?" and I have eaten beef, why can't I write that? LOL.
These Indians are very entitled. This is not even an Indian platform.
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Im going eat a beef steak now just to offend this posterI love beef and I genuinely believe beef is the best meat in the world.
If thread is "what did you last eat?" and I have eaten beef, why can't I write that? LOL.
These Indians are very entitled.
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Go for it.
Here's from AI:
Beef is a nutrient-rich food, especially a good source of protein, and contains essential nutrients like B vitamins, zinc, and iron, which are important for a healthy and active lifestyle.
Here's a more detailed look at the nutritional benefits of beef:
- Protein:
Beef is an excellent source of high-quality protein, essential for building and repairing tissues, and supporting various bodily functions.
- B Vitamins:
Beef is a good source of B vitamins, including B12, which is crucial for nerve function, red blood cell production, and energy metabolism.
- Zinc:
Beef is a good source of zinc, an essential mineral that plays a vital role in immune function, wound healing, and DNA synthesis.
- Iron:
Beef is a good source of iron, which is essential for carrying oxygen throughout the body and preventing anemia.
- Other Nutrients:
Beef also contains other important nutrients, such as selenium, niacin, and choline, which contribute to overall health and well-being.
- Nutrient Density:
Beef is a nutrient-dense food, meaning it provides a high amount of nutrients relative to the number of calories.
- Bioavailability:
The nutrients in beef are highly bioavailable, meaning they are easily absorbed and utilized by the body.
- Lean Beef:
Choosing lean cuts of beef can help to reduce the amount of saturated fat consumed while still enjoying the nutritional benefits of beef.
- Variety of Cuts:
Different cuts of beef have slightly different nutritional profiles, so choosing a variety of cuts can help ensure a balanced intake of nutrients.
But the example you quoted was that of "What did you eat today" thread. What sense does it make to deliberately mock Hindu beliefs in such threads ? The only logical explanation is deep rooted hatred for the Idol worshiping faiths and the desire to convey their deep distaste for such ideologies.
Infact I would say that disgraceful posters like sweep_shot, Technics etc who are so brazen in their bigotry towards Hindu beliefs are the reason for the sort of responses you get form Indian posters. Yes sure the cycle continues and this is EXACTLY what happens in the real world out there( Go look at aftermatch of Godhra and Babri Masjid demolishment). What did you expect to happen when Hindus found cows head thrown by a temple ( this happens more often than you think !! ) ?
Again do the same excercise of asking 2nd order questions to arrive at what not to do ... In this case what would happen to Hindus in Pakistan if they burnt a Quran or drew a prophet ?
You are missing the point .... which is about what constitutes un-acceptable practices for wider Hindu or Muslim communities. For Muslims it is not to consume pork and alcohol. For Hindus it is beef. Just because there are some Muslims and Hindus that dont confirm to these practices does not mean that these practices are acceptable.
Here you go @DeadlyVenom , @HalBass9 @KB . I am a lunatic because I suggested that posters should be considerate towards religious beliefs of others.
As I said this sort of dingbat idiocy makes sense if-and-only-if the moral compass of such posters is wired upside down.
Whats astonishing is the same posted said this in the iftari thread :
Clearly one way traffic when it comes to being respectful. It only applies to non-Muslims. Muslims have no obligations to be respectful towards others. Sums up the mentality of even the educated posters here. Just imagine the mentality of illiterate Muslims on the streets
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Stop ganging up on one poster when he is raising some very valid points
Brother @uppercut , I am on standby. Let me know if you need help.
The reason why I chase down these posters is to highlight their bigotry which comes standard. Infact they even pride themselves on that. The purpose is to draw attention of the useful idiots and silent observers on our side who live in a lala land dreaming of a utopia where Muslims will co-exist peacefully with Hindus.
Otherwise I have absolutely no expectations of religious tolerance from Muslims. ZERO.
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That thread was about iftari. That pister came in denouncing fasting.
I said there was no point in arguing if that person was a non muslim and should be respectful in the thread. If he doesnt want to fast no one is saying ajything to him, but if someone is fasting he shoulsnt be denouncing them..
Meanwhile u have an issue with a what did you eat thread because someone ate beef.
And ironically i heard u live in the US. Lol
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In India, yes. Don't care about other countries.
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You're calling others lunatics while chilling in America, voting for Hindutva like it’s a remote control bloodbath to protect cows from thousands of miles away, all while shopping at stores stacked with beef? That’s not just lunacy, that’s premium, grass fed, USDA certified madness.
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Time to pack your bags and moo-ve back to India, my friend because here in the US, even tofu's filing a complaint over beef overload. And guess what? This ain’t even a Muslim country
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Many in India eat beef too, just not openly. With crimes like drug abuse, rape, and more happening across the country, what makes you think they would wait for permission from other Hindus to eat beef? You are either ignorant or just naive.
What part of .... "this is about what happens IN INDIA" do you not understand ?
And you might want to eat your own dog food by moving to a Islamic Sharia country if you want to rant and rail about the evil Israel .... instead of paying your tax money to fund the Israeli army that you and your Jihadi buddies vehemently oppose.
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Many in India eat beef too, just not openly. With crimes like drug abuse, rape, and more happening across the country, what makes you think they would wait for permission from other Hindus to eat beef? You are either ignorant or just naive.
They seem more interested in cows and nitpicking Mughal history than important issues like unemployment, rape problem etc.
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Oh man, i already feel sorry for this poster when i make a thread before bakra eid and ask posters what are they slaughtering for eid...
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Toh tu kyu phudak raha hai?
Let us Indians in India handle it. Enjoy your lavish lifestyle in the US and focus on stopping cow slaughter there instead. Show your love for cows where you live.
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Yeah, strolling through grocery stores like beef isn’t readily available in the US.Does he live in Great America? I had no idea.
I might come across as harsh to him, but it's hard to be gentle with someone who supports the killing of people over their beliefs.
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He should come back to India and experience this beautiful scenery firsthand.
The cow on the right is quite photogenic and looks like it wants to take a selfie with him.
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Oh Bhai I can't validate you as not being lunatic. You seem nice guy at times but other times you are happy for people to be killed and houses burnt down even for innocent's to be killed.
It isn't normal broski.
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I need to ask that American boy something. Do only the lives of cows in India matter to him, or are cows in the US too privileged for his concern? And what about Pakistani cows? Will he shed the same tears for them, or will he label them as Muslim cows while considering Indian ones as Hindu cows?They seem more interested in cows and nitpicking Mughal history than important issues like unemployment, rape problem etc.
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I need to ask that American boy something. Do only the lives of cows in India matter to him, or are cows in the US too privileged for his concern? And what about Pakistani cows? Will he shed the same tears for them, or will he label them as Muslim cows while considering Indian ones as Hindu cows?
Good question.
I find him very pretentious. I don't think he genuinely believes in what he writes. He is simply an Islamophobe who wants to use cow as a pretext.
If he really cared about cows, he probably wouldn't have migrated to USA. USA is like the land of beef.
When people on the ground have to deal with the type of idiots that are openly and merrily broadcasting their bigotry right here in this thread ( that too by educated Muslims ) tells you how bad the situation is in India where there are vast number of illiterate and utterly extremist Muslims. Therefore no matter how tolerant the Hindus are .... they will eventually have to resort to extreme measures to protect their interests. The choice isn't even theirs to make. This is the reality of living with Muslims and my purpose here is to expose this shocking behavior live where the usual suspects are proudly falling over each other to display how they are bigger bigot than their fellow Muslim poster !!
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So I’m a Jihadi now, just because I don’t support murdering people over belief systems, or cheer for ethnic cleansing and genocide? bold leap. Olympic level mental gymnastics right there.
Seems like you’re just mad your ‘Buy One, Get One Free Madness’ sale isn’t working nobody’s buying your ‘Kill All Muslims in India’ propaganda, unless and of course, you're Hindutva.
Also, didn’t realize your religious beliefs came with a google Maps subscription, suddenly divine truth has borders? Might be time to stop insulting Hinduism just because you’re mad reality won’t bend to your delusions.
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Tolerant?
What an ironic post.
Makes an account on Pakpassion, comes here, gets offended that on what did you eat thread @sweep_shot had the gal to eat beef haleem, and starts ranting about it.
Meanwhile the said post lives in USA.
Thats like him going to Outback Steak house and getting offended by whats being served.
Don't forget It was YOU that was preaching religious tolerance... and now here you are proudly displaying your true green colors.
You should be the absolute last person on Gods green earth to even use the phrase "Religious tolerance"
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so I should not tell people i ate beef?
read post# 118
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Except You are the one here that is batting for a community that has actually Indulged in Ethnic cleansing and mass murders IN INDIA.
pay attention to the text in DARK RED.
For such Jihadi extremists .... indulging In bigotry is part of a Normal day
This has been answered before.... and the answer is Exactly the same as in your case ... you actually fund the Israeli campaign while spewing Bile against them .... you have no leg to stand here.
Now we are talking.... once you and your fellow Jihadis do that you will suddenly find that there is no one being killed for harming cows.
I see so in other words I need to stoop to your levels .... alright so should I draw the Prophet ?
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bhai jo marze kar. Its you who is getting offended here.
Ditto... just don't get bent out of shape when you get dealt with in a language that you understand readily .... and then start crying .... and suddenly start lecturing People on the Virtues of religious tolerance.
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I want to make sure I post with a photo every time I eat beef. On the right thread of course (i.e., what did you last eat thread).
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Why am I jihadi? And the rest of the 2 billion Muslims?
When was the last time you walked past by a beef aisle at a grocery store?
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