Virat Kohli - A bottler in ODI knockouts?

[sensible-indian-fan]

Not sure.

Amla hasn't failed under pressure as much as Kohli. I mean, 3 vs. 5?

Also, the hopeless batting bit, don't think Amla's bad patch was ever as bad as Kohli's. Amla still scored runs in the tournament, Kohli couldn't barring one match where he was given chances.

Also, the difference in away averages of Amla and Kohli.. that reveals a lot. Kohli has very contrasting averages - averaging in 20s when you consider his performances away..

Its true Kohli failed in 5 WC KOs and Amla failed in 3 WC KOs.

So we can't judge who is better in pressure in ODIs.

But one small difference...Kohli in the most pressure game of WC 2011 when SRt and Sehwag got out, took us out of trouble and got us to a safe. His 35 odd runs won't be called as a great or a successful knock but its definitely not a flop in the context of the game. It was a HUGE HUGE knock in context of the game.

That itself puts Kohli a bit higher than Amla (though both are bad in general).

Now if you move outside of WC, Kohli had a decent (but not great) knock in CT finals where the match was reduced to 20 overs. 35 runs in a 20 over game where we scored 120 odd is very good though it was by itself was not match winning.

So take these 2 into account and Kohli is ahead of Amla in pressure games.

Yes, Amla has a well balanced ODI records and that's why he will be regarded a good ODI batsman regardless of how he performs in knockouts.

As for Amla and Kohli, both average low 30s in WC against non minnows.

 

[Nothing matters]

Still a long way from reaching the high benchmarks set by the bottling legend amla bhai but he's on track.

 

[Mamoon]

Still a long way from reaching the high benchmarks set by the bottling legend amla bhai but he's on track.

is the pioneer of bottling in contemporary cricket.

 

[Theo_14]

He's still better then any batsmen we have in our ODI.

 

[msaaim89]

Poor tournament for Kohli, including the game against Pakistan were he got dropped twice.

 

[msaaim89]

He's still better then any batsmen we have in our ODI.

Being better than your Pakistani batsman doesn't say much.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli has actually been out of form for a while now, but bhai came into the tournament with a bohemian average of 100 in 2015. Another factor that counts against bhai.

 

[BlackThunder]

Bhai association have finally found their voices Fair play to them, the association has coped it a lot during this tournament time for them to let off weeks of build up steam.

 

[Sherlock]

Bottled it or not, still a great player

 

[Theo_14]

Being better than your Pakistani batsman doesn't say much.

Says a lot about our batsmen though.

 

[honeybadger]

''Greatness is contagious''

 

[Mamoon]

Bottled it or not, still a great player

I see what you did there.

 

[yadunoe]

kohli has a bright future he will go home work hard and come back to answer his critics

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Kohli brigade was ruthless when Amla flopped. Gave them a hard time.

Amla brigade is now ruthless when Kohli flopped.

Fair play.

That's what makes this a great context.
[MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] - Please bro.....let us have an official Amla Brigade vs Kohli Brigade thread.

Its the highlight of this forum.

Can you please revert your decision and take my original post (which I wrote that day) and restore it as a separate thread.

Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[honeybadger]

Kohli brigade was ruthless when Amla flopped. Gave them a hard time.

Amla brigade is now ruthless when Kohli flopped.

Fair play.

That's what makes this a great context.
[MENTION=38994]dhump[/MENTION] - Please bro.....let us have an official Amla Brigade vs Kohli Brigade thread.

Its the highlight of this forum.

Can you please revert your decision and take my original post (which I wrote that day) and restore it as a separate thread.

Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Its bhai brigade.

#we'llgiveitback

 

[Abdullah]

Champions Trophy and World T20s are included because the discussion is about ICC tournaments.

Bhai brigade don't like to bring those tournaments to the table because it proves that compared to Amla bhai, Kohli is more clutch.

Amla bhai has been garbage in every single ICC tournament, while Kohli has at least something to show for.

Even in World Cups, Kohli has a hundred vs. Pakistan while both of Amla bhai's hundreds have come against associates.

Bringing in Kohli (who has a lot to prove) to justify Amla bhai's grandiose bottling serves no purpose, because compared to Amla bhai, Kohli is more clutch.

Besides, he has two more World Cups to prove his worth; Amla bhai at best has one World Cup, and he might be past his prime at that point.

The streak example makes no sense, because the World Cup streak is different from the Champions Trophy streak. Yes, we did have a Champions Trophy streak of our own. So?

The argument is about Kohli and Amla bhai's performance in ICC tournaments, not just World Cups but even if you consider World Cups in isolation, his cameo in the 2011 Final was better than anything Amla bhai has produced in knockouts and he has a hundred vs. Pakistan, compared to Amla bhai who has both of his hundreds vs. Associates.

There is absolutely no gauge by which you can come with a half-convincing argument that Amla bhai isn't a much bigger bottler than Kohli, even if you consider World Cups only.

Bhai brigade is rejoicing today and they have the right to do so given the nightmare of a World Cup that they had, but using Kohli to justify Amla bhai's choking serves no purpose because he has better performances in ICC tournaments.

The only reason Bhai brigade disregards other ICC tournaments because it makes this discussion look embarrassing. If you keep it to World Cups only, Bhai brigade at least has some ground to stand on.

T20 is totally different to 50 overs.
If u can't see that think to ur self y teams like pak n windies can win T20 world cups but are noway near winning a world cup.
Champions trophy final innings from kohli was in a 20 over game. He ain't surviving a Jimmy anderson spell in england otherwise lol.

Kohli has more failures in world cup knockouts 5 to 3 to offset anyway compared to Amla. Both players are dealt with harshly here on PP. Both flopped in 2 world cup at the end of the day. Why r u still trying to kiss kohlis ass
U r hurting today but everybody else is happy because the arch rivals went down.

 

[Jo_Don]

The reason I'm including the t20 world cup is because ODI's have basically become long t20's. Not to mention in a t20 you have maybe one over to play yourself in and then start performing.

In ODI's you have about 5-6 overs before you start weighing the team down.

In Tests you have the entire innings to play at whatever pace you want. How can you not see the difference? Amla is an excellent test player, nobody is doubting that, what people doubt is his ability to perform under pressure in limited overs knock-outs. He hasnt done it once in 2 ODI world cups and in 2 world t20's or the champions trophy. His terrible record against non-Associate teams at world cups highlight this problem.. Kohli suffers this problem as well so dont get the impression I'm defending him, but as I said he at least has 1 or 2 innings to his name in pressure games, Amla has none.

I'm not disregarding the top format at all, but its totally meaningless in an ODI discussion when ODI has morphed into t20 plus nowadays, whereas tests havent changed at all

Poor argument. Perhaps one day when Ireland gets test status, you'd understand the pressures of test match cricket.

Btw, Amla scored 190 at a SR of 100 to beat Australia in Australia. Anyone who's toured Australia knows how difficult it is to win there.

 

[Mamoon]

T20 is totally different to 50 overs.
If u can't see that think to ur self y teams like pak n windies can win T20 world cups but are noway near winning a world cup.
Champions trophy final innings from kohli was in a 20 over game. He ain't surviving a Jimmy anderson spell in england otherwise lol.

Kohli has more failures in world cup knockouts 5 to 3 to offset anyway compared to Amla. Both players are dealt with harshly here on PP. Both flopped in 2 world cup at the end of the day. Why r u still trying to kiss kohlis ass
U r hurting today but everybody else is happy because the arch rivals went down.

So Kohli adapted better to T20s than Amla bhai, and played fantastic knocks in the semifinal (when bhai failed) as well as the final, thus proving that he can handle pressure better.

The Champions Trophy final knock was a rain-hit game in very tough conditions. India were 60-5 and his partnership with Jadeja was crucial to take India to 120 odd which given the circumstances, was a potential banana skin for England and it proved to be that exactly.

In difficult batting conditions with lots of rain and match restricted to 20 overs as well as the pressure of a final, chasing 130 is not a walk in the park and not to forget India had bowled superbly in that tournament.

It proved to be exactly that and India faltered. Without Kohli's contribution, India would have struggled to make 100 and England would have ran away with it.

Yes, Kohli has a big problem and he should have done much better and he struggles against swing, but the issue is that Bhai brigade refuse to acknowledge what a big bottler Amla bhai is. They act as if it is not a problem and come up with the lamest excuses.

I'm not hurting, I'm laughing at the desperation - the common tactic of bhai brigade is to bring Kohli into the discussion to defend his choking, even though compared to Amla bhai, he has proven himself to be a more clutch player.

Like I said, the only reason they get so annoyed with the World T20 and CT talk is because it proves that compared to Amla bhai, Kohli has performed better under pressure.

Even if you take World Cups, both of Amla bhai's hundreds have come against associates and the big criticism against him is his failures while chasing. He responded by failing miserably against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Kohli was criticized for not doing well while batting first - he responded with a hundred against Pakistan.

There is no case/justification/excuse to prove that Amla bhai is not a bigger bottler than Kohli, other than whining and crying.

 

[IndianWillow]

Don't know why people bring in dropped catch excuses to undermine batsman's efforts. Most big knocks involve some kind of luck or the other. If your team can't hold on to catches, it is not the batsman's fault.

 

[Sherlock]

I see what you did there.

Just being consistent

 

[prtikul]

I was expecting nothing from Kohli in game against Australia, He's simply not good enough to perform against them in Australia in LOIs.

Bangladesh game in this WC & against Pakistan in 2011 was bottling. In last WC actually he'd performed adequately as per team expectations & his ability back then with knocks of 25 odd & 35 while chasing in quarter final & final. I had no expectations from him back then & Kohli was below pecking order than Sehwag, Gambhir, Sachin, Yuvraj & Dhoni. In WC opener he played in place of Raina. In the end, Raina & Kohli played some useful knocks in must win games & power hitter Yusuf Pathan was dropped.

Next WC is in England where he had poor record. Still he's a WC winning player who'd contributed as per his potential & role in the team in WC 2011.

 

[bill_123]

hahaha at mamoon's desperation....i actually thought he was pretty good at trolling amla's fans at times...but he started overdoing it....but now he has pretty much gone crazy...way too much desperation mamoon bhai...aapke kohli ne aap ki pant utaar di forum pe

 

[Strike Rate]

Kohli is not even in top 3 batsmen in his team when it comes to handling pressure. Raina, Dhoni and Dhawan all are ahead of Kohli 'IMO'

 

[Frank Underwood]

Don't know why people bring in dropped catch excuses to undermine batsman's efforts. Most big knocks involve some kind of luck or the other. If your team can't hold on to catches, it is not the batsman's fault.

But it represents the quality of their innings.

Edges are one things but sitters given away to me are dead men walking.

I give credit for fighting through but Kohli didn't have one quality innings.

 

[Eye_Done]

This Shehzad wanna be is a hack...saying this for ages...good to see he has been exposed now at the world stage as well..

 

[msb314]

This Shehzad wanna be is a hack...saying this for ages...good to see he has been exposed now at the world stage as well..

+1 - Shehzad is more talented than kohli lolol

 

[cricket_fan27]

I thought this thread was about kohli , not kohli vs Amla...
Anyways , dissappponted immensely with Kohli , the guy has been the worst performer in the world cup for us , touted as the next captain then you need to play like one. He was given an amazing platform by dhawan and sharma to come and dominate the bowlers and he looks clueless like he's never played a denser in his life before. Needed an innings like Smith from him .....major weaknesses and flaws in his technique and temparement....he's a good player but never become great if he performs like this...

 

[Abdullah]

So Kohli adapted better to T20s than Amla bhai, and played fantastic knocks in the semifinal (when bhai failed) as well as the final, thus proving that he can handle pressure better.

The Champions Trophy final knock was a rain-hit game in very tough conditions. India were 60-5 and his partnership with Jadeja was crucial to take India to 120 odd which given the circumstances, was a potential banana skin for England and it proved to be that exactly.

In difficult batting conditions with lots of rain and match restricted to 20 overs as well as the pressure of a final, chasing 130 is not a walk in the park and not to forget India had bowled superbly in that tournament.

It proved to be exactly that and India faltered. Without Kohli's contribution, India would have struggled to make 100 and England would have ran away with it.

Yes, Kohli has a big problem and he should have done much better and he struggles against swing, but the issue is that Bhai brigade refuse to acknowledge what a big bottler Amla bhai is. They act as if it is not a problem and come up with the lamest excuses.

I'm not hurting, I'm laughing at the desperation - the common tactic of bhai brigade is to bring Kohli into the discussion to defend his choking, even though compared to Amla bhai, he has proven himself to be a more clutch player.

Like I said, the only reason they get so annoyed with the World T20 and CT talk is because it proves that compared to Amla bhai, Kohli has performed better under pressure.

Even if you take World Cups, both of Amla bhai's hundreds have come against associates and the big criticism against him is his failures while chasing. He responded by failing miserably against India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

Kohli was criticized for not doing well while batting first - he responded with a hundred against Pakistan.

There is no case/justification/excuse to prove that Amla bhai is not a bigger bottler than Kohli, other than whining and crying.

Lol u make me laugh.
Both are top top players but I think u have kohli too far ahead of Amla than is actually the case.
If u wanna talk pressure outside of 50 over cricket, then u could tall about test cricket.

 

[CaptainPak]

Why can't he fail against Pakistan! We seem to bring the best out of him.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Even though both Kohli and Amla have been garbage this WC, they average 50 odd in this WC.

) ) )

Modern ODI rules.

 

[Donal Cozzie]

That's a **** post really. pressure in test cricket is not balls, it's being able to survive. Not every hack can actually do that.

Poor argument. Perhaps one day when Ireland gets test status, you'd understand the pressures of test match cricket.

Btw, Amla scored 190 at a SR of 100 to beat Australia in Australia. Anyone who's toured Australia knows how difficult it is to win there.

Do you think i dont appreciate Amla's skills in test cricket? He's an excellent test player. AN dlikewise I'm not stupid I know how difficult it is as a test opener to face Harris/Johnson or Steyn and Philander for 20 overs of movement and pace, he's great at that kind of pressure, but this is about ODI's and limited overs cricket ffs, thats a totally different ballgame to tests.

Test - Have to prize your wicket and face tougher scoring conditions, but you are under no scoreboard pressure i.e. you have loads of time. Thats not me "not understanding test cricket", thats fact. Now thats not to say Amla's job in tests is easy, far from it, its very difficult, but it has nothing to do with his knock-out performances in ICC events.

ICC Knock-outs - You have to face a couple of tricky early overs but after that it gets much easier. But, under the pressure of knowing that this is a do or die game, Amla fails and he fails often. So does Kohli for that matter, but as I have said before, Kohli at least has a couple of average knocks in the WC and CT final to fall back on, which show that on some occasions he can perform to some extent under pressure. Amla doesnt have that luxury.

Amla is a gun test opener and on paper should be a great ODI batsman too, but he isnt, because as stats show he has gone missing every time he's needed in a knock out game for the Saffers. Why? Because he cant handle the extra pressure of having limited time to score as well as a knock-out environment. My opinion at least.

Still dont know how or why tests were even brought into this discussion.

Well said but some people find it hard to understand Test cricket can't blame them.

Drop the condescending attitude please.

 

[rollingstoned]

Do you think i dont appreciate Amla's skills in test cricket? He's an excellent test player. AN dlikewise I'm not stupid I know how difficult it is as a test opener to face Harris/Johnson or Steyn and Philander for 20 overs of movement and pace, he's great at that kind of pressure, but this is about ODI's and limited overs cricket ffs, thats a totally different ballgame to tests.

Test - Have to prize your wicket and face tougher scoring conditions, but you are under no scoreboard pressure i.e. you have loads of time. Thats not me "not understanding test cricket", thats fact. Now thats not to say Amla's job in tests is easy, far from it, its very difficult, but it has nothing to do with his knock-out performances in ICC events.

ICC Knock-outs - You have to face a couple of tricky early overs but after that it gets much easier. But, under the pressure of knowing that this is a do or die game, Amla fails and he fails often. So does Kohli for that matter, but as I have said before, Kohli at least has a couple of average knocks in the WC and CT final to fall back on, which show that on some occasions he can perform to some extent under pressure. Amla doesnt have that luxury.

Amla is a gun test opener and on paper should be a great ODI batsman too, but he isnt, because as stats show he has gone missing every time he's needed in a knock out game for the Saffers. Why? Because he cant handle the extra pressure of having limited time to score as well as a knock-out environment. My opinion at least.

Still dont know how or why tests were even brought into this discussion.



Drop the condescending attitude please.

2 things. 1 is that Amla doesn't open in test matches. The second is that pressure is pressure whether it's in a 50 over game, 20 over game or pressure to save a test match or overhaul a lead of 400 runs. Tests were brought into it because you didn't explain yourself well enough initially and you constantly keep referring to scoreboard pressure. It's no coincidence that 3 people have pulled you up on it.

 

[Nothing matters]

is the pioneer of bottling in contemporary cricket.

The first of his kind.

 

[Suleiman]

Yes Kohli is garbage under the pump.

Should bring in Gambhir over him. The guy is a proven champion in knockouts. Could not have won the 2007 world t20 without him and set up the 2011 final as well.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Yes Kohli is garbage under the pump.

Should bring in Gambhir over him. The guy is a proven champion in knockouts. Could not have won the 2007 world t20 without him and set up the 2011 final as well.

How did you go from Kashmir to Jaipur and from Pak to Indian?

 

[TheNightWatchman]

It means nothing really, till yesterday some poster were saying that he has a poor record against Pak, and Kohli came back with a ton.

Playing against Pakistan's second string bowling attack. Nothing impressive. Junaid Khan would have his stumps smashed to pieces

 

[Rana]

Just typical of the guy really. He cant lead, cant play the knocks when its needed.

will only bat for himself and his illustrious records

 

[Ali1984]

Aaaaaaaaaandddddddddd even Afridi has scored two 50s in semis and finals to win a world t20 so what's thee point???


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[Suleiman]

How did you go from Kashmir to Jaipur and from Pak to Indian?

Jaipur to Kashmir is only 17 hours by road.. but you have to agree Gambhir > Kohli in knockouts.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Jaipur to Kashmir is only 17 hours by road.. but you have to agree Gambhir > Kohli in knockouts.

Gambhir >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kohli than knockouts.

Performed in 2 WC finals for us.

But he is finished these days.

 

[Strike Rate]

Aaaaaaaaaandddddddddd even Afridi has scored two 50s in semis and finals to win a world t20 so what's thee point???


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oh yea Afridi is ATG pressure player because he performed in World T20 so lets use it for ODI WC too just like we are doing for Kohli!

 

[Anfield]

All those chases against SL mean nothing if you're going to choke like in semis of a WC. In general he has been well below par in the WC except Pak game where we dropped gazillion catches on his.

 

[Ali1984]

@ strike rate
Exactly my point!


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[Itachi]

kohli has lost huge respect today.... and deserves so.

it will be a scar on his mind. and it becomes worse when people will point at your significant other for your failure. you can accept when someone points finger at you, but since your partner is also getting blame, you certainly can lose your patience.

i want to see how kohli lifts himself up from this mess. unless he does SOMETHING in next world cup, sorry,i wont rate him. JAMODI results don't matter.

 

[honeybadger]

Jaipur to Kashmir is only 17 hours by road.. but you have to agree Gambhir > Kohli in knockouts.

Must be a rocket propelled bus, I suppose.

 

[Varun]

Why do I get the feeling this is a retaliation thread to some random critique of Amla in the past?

 

[imranq]

So where is the Kohli "bhai" brigade ?

 

[pacesensation]

tired of lame ads like these
it was his first wc
lots of people got out bad today
no point in blaming him

 

[Scorpion]

What are some gun ODI players that bottled in knock outs in the past ? Too much emphasis is being placed here on world cup and that too KO matches to judge players. Amla, Kohli are still very good players.

 

[Anchorman]

So where is the Kohli "bhai" brigade ?

Nobody from the Kohli brigade has hidden tonight. We all have acknowledged that he performed poorly in this WC.

 

[Bilal7]

What are some gun ODI players that bottled in knock outs in the past ? Too much emphasis is being placed here on world cup and that too KO matches to judge players. Amla, Kohli are still very good players.

Definitely. Kohli is a great ODI player and if he keeps up his performances for another couple of years, he will go down as an ATG. Same with Amla.

The pressure of WC KO matches shouldn't define players. Some people do well under pressure, others don't. You don't hear people not willing to rate Ronaldo or Messi for not delivering the goods in World Cups, why should the same luxury not be afforded to cricket players?

Inzamam was a gun ODI player but failed in World Cups other than that one innings. Dhoni has been a failure too other than one good knock in the last two editions of the WC.

 

[Bilal7]

So where is the Kohli "bhai" brigade ?

[MENTION=134240]Electron[/MENTION] is in deep mourning. Bowlers got flayed and Kohli failed too.

 

[Watsupdoc]

Still a very good player, although yes he needs to overcome this tendency of bottling in KO stages.

 

[Jo_Don]

Definitely. Kohli is a great ODI player and if he keeps up his performances for another couple of years, he will go down as an ATG. Same with Amla.

The pressure of WC KO matches shouldn't define players. Some people do well under pressure, others don't. You don't hear people not willing to rate Ronaldo or Messi for not delivering the goods in World Cups, why should the same luxury not be afforded to cricket players?

Inzamam was a gun ODI player but failed in World Cups other than that one innings. Dhoni has been a failure too other than one good knock in the last two editions of the WC.

Well it shouldn't make a difference. But whenever these comparisons come up, people rate Kohli ahead for delivering in crunch games. Now it's just been shown that he doesn't, he only does so if he's playing in India, or if the opposition is Sri Lanka. Then the goal posts shifted and T20s were brought into it.

 

[Anchorman]

Definitely. Kohli is a great ODI player and if he keeps up his performances for another couple of years, he will go down as an ATG. Same with Amla.

The pressure of WC KO matches shouldn't define players. Some people do well under pressure, others don't. You don't hear people not willing to rate Ronaldo or Messi for not delivering the goods in World Cups, why should the same luxury not be afforded to cricket players?

Inzamam was a gun ODI player but failed in World Cups other than that one innings. Dhoni has been a failure too other than one good knock in the last two editions of the WC.

Nail. On. The. Head.

Now that the WC is over, we need the two brigades to hug it out, cease-fire and live to fight another day.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Relax Guys, he is just having another bad patch

 

[cricfan967]

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[Mobashir]

Kohli has actually been out of form for a while now, but bhai came into the tournament with a bohemian average of 100 in 2015. Another factor that counts against bhai.

4 hundreds in 4 tests isn't exactly out of form?!
Also scored quite a lot against windies-sri Lanka at home before coming here.

Why are you comparing both?! Why not just say that you were wrong, Kohli isn't as good as he is made to be.
Anyone watching Kohli's career Knows he is a very good batsman, one of the best currently, but not at the level of some other batsman like ABDV.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

ABDV > Gap > Kohli/Amla >> Rest of batsmen.

You can pick either Kohli or Amla in your team, depending on what you want.

An accumulator or a dynamic batsmen.

I honestly think Kohli has gone down since Anushka in his life. I think he should take a break from cricket for some time, and focus on what cricket means to him.

 

[Strike Rate]

I honestly think Shehzad has gone down since Afridi in his life. I think he should take a break from cricket for some time, and focus on what cricket means to him.

my thoughts

 

[Mamoon]

4 hundreds in 4 tests isn't exactly out of form?!
Also scored quite a lot against windies-sri Lanka at home before coming here.

Why are you comparing both?! Why not just say that you were wrong, Kohli isn't as good as he is made to be.
Anyone watching Kohli's career Knows he is a very good batsman, one of the best currently, but not at the level of some other batsman like ABDV.

I'm talking about ODIs here. He was struggling in the tri-series as well and even if you take a look at his performances in the home series versus WI and SL, although he scored a hundred in each, he didn't look anywhere near his usual best. His shot quality/selection, strike rotation and approach to the innings hasn't been the same for over a year.

de Villiers proved his worth in this World Cup and overcame the stigma of performing on the big stage, that's what the best players do and no doubt he's the number one batsman and Kohli isn't there yet. He worsened his reputation, but not as badly as Amla bhai.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol u make me laugh.
Both are top top players but I think u have kohli too far ahead of Amla than is actually the case.
If u wanna talk pressure outside of 50 over cricket, then u could tall about test cricket.

Amla bhai is a top class Test batsman, he's the third best in the world after Sangakkara and de Villiers, but pressure of Test cricket is completely different to pressure of ICC tournaments.

Kohli has handled pressure of ICC tournaments better than Amla bhai.

 

[Mamoon]

Aaaaaaaaaandddddddddd even Afridi has scored two 50s in semis and finals to win a world t20 so what's thee point???


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Yeah, you have missed the point.

Afridi has been a mediocre cricketer through the course of his career. Just because he performed in a couple of T20 knockouts doesn't make him a top class player.

Even Munaf Patel has done better than Dale Steyn in a World Cup semifinal.

However, Kohli and Amla bhai are very comparable players, so the one who has handled pressure of ICC tournaments better should be regarded as a better Limited Overs batsman. So far, Kohli has done better compared to Amla bhai who has been garbage.

If Amla bhai does very well in 2019 WC and Kohli fails, than Amla bhai will go down in history as a better ODI batsman. I don't know why its so hard to understand.

 

[Mamoon]

hahaha at mamoon's desperation....i actually thought he was pretty good at trolling amla's fans at times...but he started overdoing it....but now he has pretty much gone crazy...way too much desperation mamoon bhai...aapke kohli ne aap ki pant utaar di forum pe

Kohli has a World Cup hundred against a non-minnow, Amla bhai has scored both of his World Cups against associates, let alone a minnow. Even in World Cups Kohli has been relatively better.

Its funny to see bhai apologists use Kohli lack of success to justify bhai's joking, when in truth Kohli has proven to be a better pressure player when you take ICC tournaments into account, even if you consider World Cups only. He has a World Cup hundred against Pakistan while bhai has scored his hundreds against Netherlands and Ireland.

Kohli's cameo in the 2011 Final when both Tendulkar and Sehwag were dismissed early and he steadied the ship with Gambhir remains a better World Cup knockout innings than anything Amla bhai has produced.

Bhai brigade and their desperation makes for good entertainment, I'll have to conceded that.

There is absolutely no way you can prove that Amla bhai is a better pressure player in Limited Overs than Kohli BUT yes, in isolation, Kohli has so far failed in two World Cups so that counts against him in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Mamoon]

Amla bhai has been garbage in every single ICC tournament of his career, yet his devotees have the audacity to take pot-shots at Kohli.

Hilarious.

 

[imranq]

Nobody from the Kohli brigade has hidden tonight. We all have acknowledged that he performed poorly in this WC.

I know, just teasing

 

[Cricket-passion]

Of course. Let's totally ignore the part where 3 out of those 4 matches was when he was not even established as a player. But whatever makes you after Kohli's century in the opening match.


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LOL! Kohli failed again. are you laughing or crying now?

 

[Scrolln]

Virat Kohli is a certified bottler as far as ODI knockouts are concerned, even if you ignore the World Cups.

Case in point, he averages a massive 56 in 40 ODIs against Lanka. But if you filler the 6 matches he has faced Lanka in tournament finals, he averages merely 21. Thats pure bottling for me.

 

[Strike Rate]

Virat Kohli is a certified bottler as far as ODI knockouts are concerned, even if you ignore the World Cups.

Case in point, he averages a massive 56 in 40 ODIs against Lanka. But if you filler the 6 matches he has faced Lanka in tournament finals, he averages merely 21. Thats pure bottling for me.

good point.

 

[Mamoon]

brigade in full force.

Btw, which tournament finals vs. Sri Lanka? He was brilliant in the World T20 final. Not including the World Cup final 2011 because you said excluding World Cups.

 

[Scrolln]

brigade in full force.

Btw, which tournament finals vs. Sri Lanka? He was brilliant in the World T20 final. Not including the World Cup final 2011 because you said excluding World Cups.

Not a part or either brigade.

His performances in the Asia Cup Final, Tri Nation Tournament finals in Lanka, Tri series in Windies etc. have been below par.

Here is a complete list of his performances in finals or tri series tournaments -

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/253802.html?class=2;filter=advanced;final_type=1;orderby=start;template=results;type=allround;view=match

 

[Scrolln]

Both Amla and KOhli are bottlers until proven otherwise, as of now.

No point bringing one or the other down by pulling up each others stats.

 

[Strike Rate]

Both Amla and KOhli are bottlers until proven otherwise, as of now.

No point bringing one or the other down by pulling up each others stats.

and one loves lanka and the other one loves windies

 

[Mamoon]

Wasn't referring to you.

Bhai is a bigger bottler than Kohli, because he has been garbage in every ICC tournament. Kohli has done well in Champions Trophy and World T20s.

However, Kohli brigade acknowledges his shortcomings and understand that there is indeed a problem. Bhai brigade act as if nothing is wrong with bhai's bottling and bring in Kohli to justify bhai's clangers but like I said, they serve no purpose because compared to bhai, Kohli has done relatively better in ICC tournaments.

Bhai is the biggest bottler around.

 

[Strike Rate]

Both are bottlers and there is a third bottler that comes with his hilti hui dum indirectly attacking someone with his cheap hathkande.

 

[Mamoon]

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

If Silly Point were here, it would have been fun.

He hates Kohli.

During WC T20 2014, he was complaining about how boring he was when he kept finishing matches without any drama. )

 

[Bullet Drive]

If you want to include Kohli due to CT 2013, then you must remember Amla's 70 odd vs Pakistan in a knock out basically

 

[Suleiman]

Kohli is a living legend about to gun down Tendulkar's record(s) in the near future. The amount of disrespect he gets on this forum is astonishing, while guys like Shahid Afridi are promoted.

 

[Mamoon]

If you want to include Kohli due to CT 2013, then you must remember Amla's 70 odd vs Pakistan in a knock out basically

Yes, and still Kohli has done better and has a World Cup hundred against Test playing nations at least