JaDed
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Kohli is the worst slogger among them imo,has no idea how to slog at all.Root ,Smith are better in that department.
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If this was only test match debate, then I will say Root. Kohli had stellar 2016, but he needs to "win" more tests. Yes, he has 100s in RSA, NZ, Aus, but all in losses or draws.
So its been established that all of these guys did not have a purple patch or something but are rather terrific players. All three among the runs all the time. Smith is by far the best Test player, followed by Root, KW and then VK.
As for ODI's, its Virat Kohli all the way followed by Root and then Smith & KW.
Don't put smith and Williamson in the same league in ODIs. Smith is only behind Kohli in ODIs and unlike Kohli he has been an absolute beast in World Cup knockout games
Nah.So its been established that all of these guys did not have a purple patch or something but are rather terrific players. All three among the runs all the time. Smith is by far the best Test player, followed by Root, KW and then VK.
As for ODI's, its Virat Kohli all the way followed by Root and then Smith & KW.
Nah.
It's Smith and Kohli, the other two have proven to be below those two.
Smith is far stronger in Tests and I'd take him over Root in ODi's. How is it even debatable who second is?Bit harsh on Root, think he has a very strong claim at being the 2nd best of the 4 in all 3 formats.
Smith is far stronger in Tests and I'd take him over Root in ODi's. How is it even debatable who second is?
Only Kohli is ahead and that's because he's T20 GOAT and on his way to being ODI GOAT.
Nah.
It's Smith and Kohli, the other two have proven to be below those two.
Smith's WC record in the finals trumps anything Root has done in JAMODI's.I disagree. It's Root for me. Just look at his average. Almost 50. And he's always played clutch knocks, so has Smith but Root has carried his ODI batting unit forward.
Smith is far stronger in Tests and I'd take him over Root in ODi's. How is it even debatable who second is?
Only Kohli is ahead and that's because he's T20 GOAT and on his way to being ODI GOAT.
Who else is there? Gayle?Kohli is T20 GOAT?! LOL. Yeah, he's really good but are you serious?! He just had one good year. He doesn't even have a 100 in T20i's LOL. And the one good year he did have is severely overhyped because of his IPL hundreds. He isn't even Twenty20 or IPL GOAT, let alone T20i GOAT.
God, are you delusional..
Who else is there? Gayle?
Smith and Root's numbers in ODI's are quite similar despite Smith playing a lot of games as a A/R early on in his career.
I wouldn't rate McCullum ahead of him.Gayle is leagues, in fact lightyears ahead of him when it comes to Twenty20 and so is Brendon McCullum. As for T20i's, both Gayle and Brendon are still ahead of him. Kohli, as of now, falls in the Finch, Maxwell, etc category. To become a T20i ATG, he really needs a couple of hundreds and lots of sixes, if not anything more.
He is undeniably a future GOAT for ODI's though.
Kohli is T20 GOAT?! LOL. Yeah, he's really good but are you serious?! He just had one good year. He doesn't even have a 100 in T20i's LOL. And the one good year he did have is severely overhyped because of his IPL hundreds. He isn't even Twenty20 or IPL GOAT, let alone T20i GOAT.
God, are you delusional..
Kohli is T20 GOAT?! LOL. Yeah, he's really good but are you serious?! He just had one good year. He doesn't even have a 100 in T20i's LOL. And the one good year he did have is severely overhyped because of his IPL hundreds. He isn't even Twenty20 or IPL GOAT, let alone T20i GOAT.
God, are you delusional..
So its been established that all of these guys did not have a purple patch or something but are rather terrific players. All three among the runs all the time. Smith is by far the best Test player, followed by Root, KW and then VK.
As for ODI's, its Virat Kohli all the way followed by Root and then Smith & KW.
Smith > Kohli> Root>Kane
As per now, this is the order.Root plays for England and hence he will play lots of tests(he is just 25) and even though his conversion rate is poor, he will end up with 30 hundreds unless he regresses.
Man, KW is so underrated. Even PP has smileys:![]()
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you are underrating smith in ODIs , yes Root has a better game for the format but at thisp point for any opposition Smith would be a more prized wicket than Root .
Another terrific ton from Williamson!
Root is extremely consistent . He hust needs to convert betterIn order:
Kohli - so far ahead of the rest in LOIs, excellent in tests too, looks good against seam and swing too now
Kane - best player of fast bowling in the group, extremely underrated
Root - all condition player but needs to be more consistent
Smith - worst of all against seam and swing and in LOIs, scores majority on pattas
Root is extremely consistent . He hust needs to convert better
Smith is just not in form. And you are feasting on that![]()
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Smith was out of form even before coming to SA?
This forum is so fickle. When Smith was in good form he was being called a GOAT. When he fails in 1 series , he's called rubbish and ovverated.
He is allowed to have 1 bad series. He did well in 2014 series vs SA.
Tbf it's mostly Indian fans or huge Kohli diehards... Smith hasn't given them any opportunity for almost four years now so now it's time to finally make some posts they haven't had the chance to make)
Tbf it's mostly Indian fans or huge Kohli diehards... Smith hasn't given them any opportunity for almost four years now so now it's time to finally make some posts they haven't had the chance to make)
Tbf it's mostly Indian fans or huge Kohli diehards... Smith hasn't given them any opportunity for almost four years now so now it's time to finally make some posts they haven't had the chance to make)
Much like how you Pak fans love bringing up Kohli's record in England like a broken record, which is the only area where you can knock on him![]()
Root is extremely consistent . He hust needs to convert better
Smith is just not in form. And you are feasting on that![]()
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Smith Vs Kohli - averages
Test: ODI: T20
61.92/53.40 : 41.84/58.10 : 21.55/50.84
Kohli leads Smith easily in overall cricket stats at the moment. Virat might get closer to Smith in Tests, but the gap in ODI's and T20's looks huge.
Smith Vs Kohli - averages
Test: ODI: T20
61.92/53.40 : 41.84/58.10 : 21.55/50.84
Kohli leads Smith easily in overall cricket stats at the moment. Virat might get closer to Smith in Tests, but the gap in ODI's and T20's looks huge.
I would say the importance ratio between Tests, ODI and T20s is something like 60: 30:10
So, Smith is still ahead of Kohli for me, just by a whisker. If Kohli has a decent Test series in England (a couple of 100s and averages in 40s at least) he will take over Smith.
0.60 x 8.52 : 0.3 x -16.26 : 0.1 x 29.29
+5.11 : -4.87 : -2.92
Kohli is still ahead.... I am poor in Math, am sure my method is wrong.Pls explain your calculations
Its not an exact science.
For ODIs, even though the Average has a difference of 16, but Smith should get some extra brownie points for his WC performance. Kohli should also get sine brownie points for this T20 WC performances (though not as many as Smith's WC).
Smith has also played some clutch innings in Test Cricket, which Kohli has only recently started to replicate. So Smith should get some extra brownie points for that.
In the end, I still believe Smith is ahead only by a whisker. A couple of good series or good WC and Kohli will overtake Smith. I believe in the long run, Kohli will end up being the better batsman.
In kohli you get a top 2 batsman in all formats
In Smith you get probably the best test batsman of his generation but a very mediocre player in limited overs
In Williamson you get a world class test bat and decent limited over bat
In root you get a good batsman in all formats
It is pretty clear that if you could pick only 1 batsman out of this lot then it has to be King Kohli, Kohli is comfortably the best overall batsman of this decade, it's not even a debate
the mediocre ODI player, in Smith, outplayed Kohli in the world cup, when it actually mattered. Yes, there is a debate. Both AB and Smith are better than Kohli
the mediocre ODI player, in Smith, outplayed Kohli in the world cup, when it actually mattered. Yes, there is a debate. Both AB and Smith are better than Kohli
lol the same excuse every smith apologist comes up with, the world cup was at smith's home, smith was in the form of his life, it doesn't take much to play good innings. Hold a world cup right now in India and kohli will break all world cup records. Using your stupid logic of world cup performance "where it actually mattered" lol , zaheer khan >>>>> Waqar younis, Check mate
Nonsense. Waqar missed a world cup at his peak in 92, had one bad game in 96, and was well past his prime then. Plus, there is an enormous difference between the two.
Wickets in Aus were relatively flat, Kohli had plenty of experience and still failed to perform when it counts. My point isnt that Kohli isn't better in ODI's, he is. However, Smith is not mediocre in ODI's.
the mediocre ODI player, in Smith, outplayed Kohli in the world cup, when it actually mattered. Yes, there is a debate. Both AB and Smith are better than Kohli
Smith after accepting today's ugly incident of ball tampering (cheating) by his team under his leadership, lost many honest supporters of him... It will be big black mark in his career![]()
Tbf it's mostly Indian fans or huge Kohli diehards... Smith hasn't given them any opportunity for almost four years now so now it's time to finally make some posts they haven't had the chance to make)
It's smith first poor major series in years (from 2013 I believe). The Pak away and SA home ones were poor but he still averaged 40+I doubt Smith will be allowed to play the 4th game but if fails this series then it will reduce the gap between him and Kohli considering Kohli had a good series in much worse batting conditions. Also, lot will depend on how Kohli does in England.
Smith ahead at the moment.
It's smith first poor major series in years (from 2013 I believe). The Pak away and SA home ones were poor but he still averaged 40+
Really one series won't make much of a difference at this point.
But yes Kohli is on upward trend so regardless was getting close
Bangladesh is not a major series. I said 'major series.' Don't care about Bangladesh regardless of who the batsman isWell series by series performances are vastly important. Current SA bowling attack is one of the best ever and it would certainly affect every player's legacy on how well they perform against them. Also, keeping in mind that Smith might not come back here till next 3-4 years.
Moreover, Smith "failed" against Bangladesh if that's what you are looking for but it went unnoticed due to low profile opposition.