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Virat Kohli vs Sarfaraz Ahmed - Who is the better captain?

Biggest difference between the two is Kohli’s respect for own colleagues - both juniors like Shubham, Pant and seniors like Dhoni as well as respect for opponents.
 
The only thing that's common between these 2 captains is - they both are on a vacation from today! :yk
 
Hasan123 said:
Called it. [MENTION=142432]Titan24[/MENTION] [MENTION=1650]Usman Chadda[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION]
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Hasan123 said:
Some of the posts on page 1 and 2 are hillairious.
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Some embarrassing posts - all of these were a reaction based on India's defeat in England over the summer. Their logic goes like this:

Sarfraz (c) in England: Drawn Test Series
Kohli (c) in England: Lost Test Series

Therefore according to the minds of the simpletons: Sarfraz > Kohli :vk2
 
Hasan123 said:
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] read page 1 and 2.
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A lot of fans go with the flow. Back then Pak won the CT under Sarfaraz, and that victory came completely out of the blue. I mean Pak were the deserving winners, and completely crushed everyone bar the first match against India. But it was not expected for them to win the tournament before it started.

That made a lot of fans pick Sarfaraz. It's been long due for some other young player to take over the captaincy from Sarfaraz.
 
MMHS said:
Sarfraz is better Captain, by some light years. I can explain why -

Kohli is without doubt the best batsman IND has produce since SRT, and he is comfortably among top 2-3 batsmen of this decade. He is extremely fit, energetic and one of the best fielders around - he is carrying his decent team to world class level almost single handed, still people, even most Indians are upset with his Captaincy ........ that guy must have to be damn bad as Captain, must be the worst ever or among very few in bottom.

In contrary, this guy Sarfraz is leading from the front with his vocal cord, for No. 1 T20 team and an ever raising ODI/Test team almost single handed. He is so good with his tactics, motivation, fitness, fairness in selection (& in verbal correction, I don't call it bashing), that most people are happy with his leadership only. Recently, he has passed 18 mark in Yo Yo test as well, which indicates his dedication, commitment & work ethics to fitness.

Obviously, Sarfraz is a little behind Kohli in cricket - that too because of batting only, Kohli can dream about keeping like Sarfraz (net, net it's almost same), but he must be way ahead in Captaincy to balance the equation in his favor. Sarfraz the Cricketer, with his Captaincy (& keeping) must have to be over weighting Virat Kohli the cricketer & Captain, other wise why so many people criticizes Kohli as Captain for the No. 1 Test & No. 2 ODI team & praise Sarfraz as Captain of No. 5 ODI & No. 7 Test team?

Whoever doesn't agree with my logic please do come reasonable on me - I wish if we could ever replace our midget with this dynamic cricketer, the inspirational leader and the cricket fox (they used to call Erwin Rommel the Desert Fox, for his tactics........).
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This thread has aged really well (& fast), from first 5 pages (more precisely before Asia Cup)...... had that nonsense (Asia Cup) not taken place, we would have got at least 5 more pages ........

Sadly, it (this thread) might end even before it aged enough.
 
Hitman said:
A lot of fans go with the flow. Back then Pak won the CT under Sarfaraz, and that victory came completely out of the blue. I mean Pak were the deserving winners, and completely crushed everyone bar the first match against India. But it was not expected for them to win the tournament before it started.

That made a lot of fans pick Sarfaraz. It's been long due for some other young player to take over the captaincy from Sarfaraz.
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I started to realise after Sri Lanka test series he wasn't a very good captain.
 
topspin said:
Some embarrassing posts - all of these were a reaction based on India's defeat in England over the summer. Their logic goes like this:

Sarfraz (c) in England: Drawn Test Series
Kohli (c) in England: Lost Test Series

Therefore according to the minds of the simpletons: Sarfraz > Kohli :vk2
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Don't see many Sarfraz fans on these type of threads. :kp
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] as i am getting bored being in room today I would like you to throw light on why Amir went down so quickly or you think he still has in him?
 
Hasan123 said:
I started to realise after Sri Lanka test series he wasn't a very good captain.
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No captain can inspire his team if he doesn't lead from the front in terms of his own performance. Imran Khan is often termed a dictator keeping in mind how he bossed his players, how he bossed the selection committee. Yet no one could point a finger towards him because not only he was the best performer of his team during his captaincy tenure, but he was one of the finest players in the world back then.

Sarfaraz doesn't even merit a place in the team as a player. I'm not the one to doubt his commitment towards his team. But mere commitment without performance means nothing. That way most of the Pak fans can lead the team as well because they too are extremely committed towards Pakistan cricket. Sarfaraz simply isn't good enough to remain in the team, let alone be the captain. He batting isn't good enough to merit him a place in the team. Maybe he would have merited a place in the 90's and before when wicket keeping was a specialist department, and wicket keepers back then didn't require to be good batsmen.

BTW, Sarfaraz does not have not bat well to merit a place in the team, a certain thread created by a certain poster. Remember? :))
 
Hitman said:
No captain can inspire his team if he doesn't lead from the front in terms of his own performance. Imran Khan is often termed a dictator keeping in mind how he bossed his players, how he bossed the selection committee. Yet no one could point a finger towards him because not only he was the best performer of his team during his captaincy tenure, but he was one of the finest players in the world back then.

Sarfaraz doesn't even merit a place in the team as a player. I'm not the one to doubt his commitment towards his team. But mere commitment without performance means nothing. That way most of the Pak fans can lead the team as well because they too are extremely committed towards Pakistan cricket. Sarfaraz simply isn't good enough to remain in the team, let alone be the captain. He batting isn't good enough to merit him a place in the team. Maybe he would have merited a place in the 90's and before when wicket keeping was a specialist department, and wicket keepers back then didn't require to be good batsmen.

BTW, Sarfaraz does not have not bat well to merit a place in the team, a certain thread created by a certain poster. Remember? :))
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Which is what I tried to tell posters. You need to be able to perform as captain. How can you shout at others when you don't make the team on merit? :))

He only supports Sarfraz at the moment because Inzi does. Once Inzi ditches Sarfraz he will be on the bandwagon and call it a great decision.
 
Hasan123 said:
Which is what I tried to tell posters. You need to be able to perform as captain. How can you shout at others when you don't make the team on merit? :))

He only supports Sarfraz at the moment because Inzi does. Once Inzi ditches Sarfraz he will be on the bandwagon and call it a great decision.
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Lots of Pak captains have often tried to emulate Imran's style of captaincy. What they don't realize is they can't do the same because they don't belong in the same ballpark as Imran as a player.

It's obvious that when you are among the best bowlers in the world, and among the best bowlers in history, people will bow down to you. And credit to Imran, despite his dictator style of captaincy, he brought laurels for his country, both as a player and as a captain. It simply worked. His players loved him, so much that they were unwilling to play under any other captain.

The problem arises when lesser players try to emulate him.
 
DRsohail said:
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] as i am getting bored being in room today I would like you to throw light on why Amir went down so quickly or you think he still has in him?
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I wrote just yesterday that Amir’s ODI career should be over by WC 2019. No way, he can be considered for 2023 WC in India, therefore his best utility is probably next 2 T20 WCs. He might still play ODI here & there, but shouldn’t be in 2023 plan. He was my 1st choice for ODI Captaincy for best part of 2 years now, but I think we have to move on.

He probably never regained his full fitness & stamina since return, and never recovered from that 5 years break. At 26, he should be at his prime - I can add 2-3 years, still even at 29, he should be faster than this and much more skill full. He never reached that 2009-2010 level and not seems like he doesn’t bother either. Also, I believe he smokes, which is the last thing a fast bowler should do.
 
Hitman said:
Lots of Pak captains have often tried to emulate Imran's style of captaincy. What they don't realize is they can't do the same because they don't belong in the same ballpark as Imran as a player.

It's obvious that when you are among the best bowlers in the world, and among the best bowlers in history, people will bow down to you. And credit to Imran, despite his dictator style of captaincy, he brought laurels for his country, both as a player and as a captain. It simply worked. His players loved him, so much that they were unwilling to play under any other captain.

The problem arises when lesser players try to emulate him.
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Pakistan may never produce a player like Imran ever again. Also in this modern era I wouldn't an all rounder as captain for more than 1 format .
 
Delete this thread please. Sarfraz should never be named in the same breath as Kohli.
 
MMHS said:
This thread has aged really well (& fast), from first 5 pages (more precisely before Asia Cup)...... had that nonsense (Asia Cup) not taken place, we would have got at least 5 more pages ........

Sadly, it (this thread) might end even before it aged enough.
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"Over weighting" :)))
 
Hitman said:
No captain can inspire his team if he doesn't lead from the front in terms of his own performance. Imran Khan is often termed a dictator keeping in mind how he bossed his players, how he bossed the selection committee. Yet no one could point a finger towards him because not only he was the best performer of his team during his captaincy tenure, but he was one of the finest players in the world back then.

Sarfaraz doesn't even merit a place in the team as a player. I'm not the one to doubt his commitment towards his team. But mere commitment without performance means nothing. That way most of the Pak fans can lead the team as well because they too are extremely committed towards Pakistan cricket. Sarfaraz simply isn't good enough to remain in the team, let alone be the captain. He batting isn't good enough to merit him a place in the team. Maybe he would have merited a place in the 90's and before when wicket keeping was a specialist department, and wicket keepers back then didn't require to be good batsmen.

BTW, Sarfaraz does not have not bat well to merit a place in the team, a certain thread created by a certain poster. Remember? :))
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Leading from the front is one thing but this guy doesn't have remotely shame not to bully his players despite his mediocre performances. I will never like a captain with pathetic attitude he shows on the field. The worst thing is he is an average cricketer. Doesn't have any baggage to shout like dictator.
 
Close this embarrassing thread. Kohli Is no tactical genius but he leads through performance and can inspire his team mates. Also doesn't make embarrassing statements regularly like Sarfraz.
 
Hasan123 said:
Close this embarrassing thread. Kohli Is no tactical genius but he leads through performance and can inspire his team mates. Also doesn't make embarrassing statements regularly like Sarfraz.
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I don’t think Sarfaraz is that bad a captain. But I fail to accept that he demands a spot in the XI.
 
Kohli when alone is not that much better than sarfaraz. But he has a model-like personality. He knows what to say at press conferences at the very least.
 
What makes Kohli a great cricketer is also turning him into a decent captain which is his hardwork determination and eagerness to improve.

While all the weaknesses of Sarfraz which make him a mediocre player have also inspired his leadership skills. He has no will to get better and looks to be content with whatever ever little or more he has achieved. We can see the same attitude in the team as well in last couple of years with no intensity desire and passion to prove themselves. Havent seen him improve a single bit as a leader rather he has deteriorated when he first became a captain.
 
Sarfraz - he is making the squad on Captaincy merit .... can't tell that for other 9 Captains.
 
As one modern day Aristotle of PP said, "Kohli is not fit enough to tie Sarfaraz's shoe laces".

No truer words have been spoken.
 
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] [MENTION=143023]SarfiBabarHaris[/MENTION]. In your homest opinion who would you say is the better captain? :misbah
 
The captains sums up the decline of Pakistan cricket and rise and improvement of Indian cricket.
 
Hasan123 said:
I would rather him as a captain than Sarfraz.
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#aheadofthecurve

[MENTION=143937]ManFan[/MENTION] [MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION] on 1st page you said performance for a captain doesn't matter essentially. :)))
[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] Kohli wipes the floor with your hero.


To other posters , place your humble pie here.

Kohli will finish as one of the greatest captains ever. Sarfraz is one of the worst Pakistan captains I have ever seen. CT win was nothing to do with him. He was just in the right place at the right time.
 
I don't like Kohli due to his bad behavior but Kohli is one of the best captains in the world today. Sarfraz is quite ordinary.
 
sweep_shot said:
I don't like Kohli due to his bad behavior but Kohli is one of the best captains in the world today. Sarfraz is quite ordinary.
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but this is exactly what's missing fromt he Pakistan side...badmashi and dileri, according to Shoaib Akhtar. So maybe the fans need to start celebrating the bad boys of Pakistan cricket and elevate them to captaincy. Only Shahzad and Imam fit that bill...
 
The streak is Alive said:
but this is exactly what's missing fromt he Pakistan side...badmashi and dileri, according to Shoaib Akhtar. So maybe the fans need to start celebrating the bad boys of Pakistan cricket and elevate them to captaincy. Only Shahzad and Imam fit that bill...
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Kohli goes overboard though. He is not a good role model no matter how good he is.

You can be polite and successful at the same time. I have never seen Williamson, Inzamam, Dhoni, Ganguly etc. crossing the line. They were pretty good captains and classy individuals.

Sarfraz was a good captain 2-3 years ago. He was a good motivator. But, he has completely lost it.
 
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Hasan123 said:
#aheadofthecurve


[MENTION=143937]ManFan[/MENTION] [MENTION=139975]The_Odd_One[/MENTION] on 1st page you said performance for a captain doesn't matter essentially. :)))

[MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] Kohli wipes the floor with your hero.


To other posters , place your humble pie here.

Kohli will finish as one of the greatest captains ever. Sarfraz is one of the worst Pakistan captains I have ever seen. CT win was nothing to do with him. He was just in the right place at the right time.
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That’s not what I meant on the first page.

Nonetheless, I accept my misjudgment and am ready to receive some more humble pie. :shaq
 
Sarfaraz's biggest accomplishment at the end of his career is going to be the Champions trophy where as Kohli's biggest blot of his already stellar career is going to be the CT final.

That should were the comparison should begin and end.

Rest I leave it to common sense and logic who is the more accomplished and successful captain.
 
sweep_shot said:
Kohli goes overboard though. He is not a good role model no matter how good he is.

You can be polite and successful at the same time. I have never seen Williamson, Inzamam, Dhoni, Ganguly etc. crossing the line. They were pretty good captains and classy individuals.

Sarfraz was a good captain 2-3 years ago. He was a good motivator. But, he has completely lost it.
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You mean by being one of the fittest guy in cricket, changing his habits,sacrificing a lot of his vices and bringing in a culture of fitness and dedication among his team mates. Yeah lot of material out there to show why Kohli is a bad role model.
 
Local.Dada said:
You mean by being one of the fittest guy in cricket, changing his habits,sacrificing a lot of his vices and bringing in a culture of fitness and dedication among his team mates. Yeah lot of material out there to show why Kohli is a bad role model.
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Kohli has great fitness and is one heck of a player. However, he argues with the umpires and considers himself to be above the law.

Confidence is good but too much arrogance can lead to downfall. I definitely don't want young children to be spoiled brats like Kohli (no matter how good he is). In any other profession, Kohli could get fired for disorderly conduct.
 
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Local.Dada said:
Sarfaraz's biggest accomplishment at the end of his career is going to be the Champions trophy where as Kohli's biggest blot of his already stellar career is going to be the CT final.

That should were the comparison should begin and end.

Rest I leave it to common sense and logic who is the more accomplished and successful captain.
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agreed.

Sarfraz captaincy was always overrated to begin with and it peaked because of good consistency shown by Pakistani players in the knock out games of CT. It kind of justified his yelling and dictator ship captaincy which totally changed the environment of the dressing room and chemistery of the team which was shaping up to be pretty good. Sarfraz style of captaincy which consisted of yelling at players live on tv was always going to crash especially with his non existent leadership in batting performance. In my opinion he should have been sacked 12 months ago. Could have been things different with a new leader in the last world cup.
 
sweep_shot said:
Kohli has great fitness and is one heck of a player. However, he argues with the umpires and considers himself to be above the law.

Confidence is good but too much arrogance can lead to downfall. I definitely don't want young children to be spoiled brats like Kohli (no matter how good he is). In any other profession, Kohli would be fired for disorderly conduct.
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he can walk the talk though. There is nothing wrong in showing aggression if you can back them with your performances. Sarfraz on the other end used to yell at his own teammates and show ugly stares each time a boundary was hit, without performing ever.

I do agree with you though Kohli is not the ideal and in my opinion Kane is the best captain out there with all the qualities of leadership.
 
sweep_shot said:
Kohli has great fitness and is one heck of a player. However, he argues with the umpires and considers himself to be above the law.

Confidence is good but too much arrogance can lead to downfall. I definitely don't want young children to be spoiled brats like Kohli (no matter how good he is). In any other profession, Kohli could get fired for disorderly conduct.
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You get what you want to see. For starter's Kohli off the field has never been involved in any controversies that portrays him as a bad role-model. In fact he has been criticized by Indian fans for trying to be too nice like going out of his way to praise Amir or ask Indian fans to stop booing Steve Smith.

Secondly you can dissect each and every player and find faults. For example Smith got banned for ball tampering and prior to that it was the brain fade gate. SA players were involved in zipper gate. Amir got banned for fixing.

Off the field too for example Hassan Ali's antics at the border especially at a sensitive time between the 2 countries, Ben Stokes drunken brawl, Md. Shami's personal issues etc etc I can go on and on.

Kohli has neither had personal controversies nor has he been accused of cheating.

Sure there are some guys like Kane,Azhar Ali,Pujara,Sammy,Bumrah etc who are really nice on and off the field but this is not a mr.nice guy contest.

If someone chooses to ignore Kohli's qualities like Work ethic and dedication as a role model and focus on some moments were he got carried away then it is totally on them. That doesn't make Kohli evil.

May be a far fetched analogy but some of us will watch the movie Joker and applaud Phoenix performance but there will be a 1-2 people who might become psychopaths because that is the message they interpreted.

I think Kohli is more than a great role-model for young aspiring cricketers.
 
Local.Dada said:
You get what you want to see. For starter's Kohli off the field has never been involved in any controversies that portrays him as a bad role-model. In fact he has been criticized by Indian fans for trying to be too nice like going out of his way to praise Amir or ask Indian fans to stop booing Steve Smith.

Secondly you can dissect each and every player and find faults. For example Smith got banned for ball tampering and prior to that it was the brain fade gate. SA players were involved in zipper gate. Amir got banned for fixing.

Off the field too for example Hassan Ali's antics at the border especially at a sensitive time between the 2 countries, Ben Stokes drunken brawl, Md. Shami's personal issues etc etc I can go on and on.

Kohli has neither had personal controversies nor has he been accused of cheating.

Sure there are some guys like Kane,Azhar Ali,Pujara,Sammy,Bumrah etc who are really nice on and off the field but this is not a mr.nice guy contest.

If someone chooses to ignore Kohli's qualities like Work ethic and dedication as a role model and focus on some moments were he got carried away then it is totally on them. That doesn't make Kohli evil.

May be a far fetched analogy but some of us will watch the movie Joker and applaud Phoenix performance but there will be a 1-2 people who might become psychopaths because that is the message they interpreted.

I think Kohli is more than a great role-model for young aspiring cricketers.
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Kohli heavily relied on Dhoni in the past. We could see that clearly when he would go and field at boundary and Dhoni would take over during crunch situations. He also lacks out of the box thinking. Captaincy is not just about doing basic right sometimes you need to think out of manuals. Which is why KW stands as a best captain by far. We have seen how KW almost made his ordinary team the world champions with his sharp captaincy and performance as a captain.
 
MRSN said:
Kohli heavily relied on Dhoni in the past. We could see that clearly when he would go and field at boundary and Dhoni would take over during crunch situations. He also lacks out of the box thinking. Captaincy is not just about doing basic right sometimes you need to think out of manuals. Which is why KW stands as a best captain by far. We have seen how KW almost made his ordinary team the world champions with his sharp captaincy and performance as a captain.
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Absolutely. KW is the best captain in the world right now. In Fact in LOI's I would want Rohit to replace Kohli as the captain because I think he is far more quick thinking and shrewd and a lot more calmer than Kohli.

I wasn't talking about Kohli's captaincy skills,I was just responding to the statement that Kohli is not a role model.

Right now in world cricket, if you are an aspiring cricketer especially a batsman and want a role model to look up to Kohli's got to be on the top of that chain.
 
MRSN said:
Kohli heavily relied on Dhoni in the past.
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Please dont give blanket statements.. could you please provide more evidence
Yes .. I agree keeper position is bets place to view better filed positions, that doesn't mean every captain rely on keepers.
 
Kohli relies on Dhoni apparently. But as soon as MSD is out of the test team and Kohli is captain, India become the number 1 test team.

Man some posters logic is hilarious.
 
Just goes how to show how people lose their sensibilities when it comes to Indian players. This was never a comparison.

Kohli is greater than any Pakistani cricketer ever; Sarfraz is a nobody who will only be remembered by his half a dozen fans.

Some cringeworthy posts in this thread.
 
This thread didn't fare well.

Posters picking on Kohli for his behavior need to realise every other South Asian cricketer cant be the same.

You know a person is enjoying captaincy when he is giving mouthful to opposition teams on their home turf.
 
The fault I see with Pakistani fans and cricket management is that everybody is seeing Sarfaraz is going wrong, but nobody is addressing why that is happening. Nobody is trying to understand as to why, a captain who was being hailed in 2017 all of a sudden has become a national villain. Obviously, the fault cant be Sarfaraz's alone. The system has to take the blame and the fall along with Sarfaraz. Something has gone wrong in communication that Sarfaraz is getting frustrated every now and then.
Unless the management does an analysis , and accepts its faults. Unless the management is ready to support the captain and players, Pakistan can keep changing captains and coaches but the result is going to be the same.
 
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