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Virat Kohli's rough patch in Tests continues. Just 49 runs in his last six innings at an average of 8.16. Highest: 15 vs Australia. All games in Asian conditions. Is the burden of captaincy getting to him?
 
This is our test captain folks. Average <50. Away average < 44. Poiltics master. God bless Indian cricket.
 
Problem with him is he knows that he struggles with lateral movement or a probing off stump line so even on flat decks it's at the back of his mind now that the ball may do a bit so finds himself shuffling across off stump and gets himself out of position trying to cover the line. It also is a product of white ball specialism. He needs to respect Test cricket and his opponent, go back to focusing on fundamentals because the least you expect is for him to score when there's not a lot in the wicket for the bowlers, he's too good in that regard; obviously outside the subcontinent things will be a lot tougher for him.

Captaincy doesn't come natural to him but I don't see him giving up the arm bad or the board firing him, he's too influential and his ego will prevent him from doing so as well. But I'd rather him just focus on his batting to be honest.
 
This is our test captain folks. Average <50. Away average < 44. Poiltics master. God bless Indian cricket.

Overreaction.

Kohli is nothing special (in test cricket) but he is not that bad either.

A genuine question: who'd you be your Indian test captain?
 
Overreaction.

Kohli is nothing special (in test cricket) but he is not that bad either.

A genuine question: who'd you be your Indian test captain?

A Rough patch is yet to start wait for overseas tour when ball swings his avg will come down to 40 maybe. then he will tour all asian countries to make avg of 55+. (btw same is trend with ashwin & jaddu)
 
A Rough patch is yet to start wait for overseas tour when ball swings his avg will come down to 40 maybe. then he will tour all asian countries to make avg of 55+. (btw same is trend with ashwin & jaddu)

Kohli the test batsman, as far as PP is concerned, is not highly rated. Only people like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] consider him miracllous-uber-god-like :)))

Rest of us know that whenever ball swings an inch he is a walking wicket :jimmy (and it's been demonstrated by many bowlers)

Ashwin/Jaddu get custom-made-doctored pitches. And England (Swan and Panesar) in 2012 show that when opposition has proper spinners they can exploit conditions in an equal manner http://www.espncricinfo.com/series/...dia-vs-England-2nd-Test-England-tour-of-India
 
Ashwin or Pujara would be my top candidates for the job

Bro, I don't see Ashwin touring outside India. Imagine his captaincy in Australia meanwhile Warner is tearing him apart.

Pujara, for some mysterious reason, doesn't strike me as India's regular in Test XI. (A PCBesque move by Indian selectors)

But yeah, Pujara can become the captain.
 
Overreaction.

Kohli is nothing special (in test cricket) but he is not that bad either.

A genuine question: who'd you be your Indian test captain?

Rahane, easily. Just look at the guy's captaincy in the 4th India-Aus. Test. That's what is called true aggression. Not the fake juvenile aggression that Kohli exhibits.
 
Bro, I don't see Ashwin touring outside India. Imagine his captaincy in Australia meanwhile Warner is tearing him apart.

Pujara, for some mysterious reason, doesn't strike me as India's regular in Test XI. (A PCBesque move by Indian selectors)

But yeah, Pujara can become the captain.

I agree with the point about Ashwin. Pujara is the likely alternative, what about dhawan ?
 
I agree with the point about Ashwin. Pujara is the likely alternative, what about dhawan ?

Same, not a test XI regular and is a minor wanna-be Kohli (like our very own Shehzad)*.

Plus very vulnerable to 4th stump line :amir

*Now that I think of it, these fellas need proper role models :ik
 
In his ~60 test matches there isnt even 1 special effort from Kohli while guys like Pujara has plenty and even Rahul who played only few matches has few..
 
He was unstoppable vs England and NZ, it's a rough patch for him now. Needs to go back to basics as Shaz mentioned.
 
Kohli has fallen to th hook shot a lot lately. Even today, he went for the hook and got a thin edge to the keeper.

I don't think he is out of form. He was middling the ball well before he went for that garbage shot.

Kohli will own Lankans the next innings.
 
In his ~60 test matches there isnt even 1 special effort from Kohli while guys like Pujara has plenty and even Rahul who played only few matches has few..

Didnt he have a gun series against Steyn and Philander in South Africa? Did well in NZ also. And four tons in his Australia series. England was the blip.

Kohli I think will come through. Form is temporary, class in permanent.
 
Great batsmen tend to play sloppily when their teammates are batting well. Once the top order fails, I bet he will show up.
 
But it was a flat wicket today....so people cant blame him to fail against swim or swing this time.
He is performing bad since australia series of india. so there too cant blame him ,as there was no seam or swing there either.
 
Didnt he have a gun series against Steyn and Philander in South Africa? Did well in NZ also. And four tons in his Australia series. England was the blip.

Kohli I think will come through. Form is temporary, class in permanent.

Soft runs and didnt help his team winning important matches unlike Pujara who is master of tough runs and performs when the chips are down and already played a key part in winning 3 series.
 
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Didnt he have a gun series against Steyn and Philander in South Africa? Did well in NZ also. And four tons in his Australia series. England was the blip.

Kohli I think will come through. Form is temporary, class in permanent.

Sample size of 2 matches in SA and the pitches were relatively flat compared to the usual SA surfaces. Iirc, Philander had a higher batting average than Kohli in that series. Can hardly judge him on that series. Going by his ODI avg of 37.33 and a SR of 79 in SA vs SA I suspect his test average is inflated in SA.

Also, given the nightmare pitches India had us play on in India, I highly doubt India will receive such 'flat' pitches for the next tour to SA. Maybe we should wait for the next series in SA before we start to praise or condemn him.
 
Rahane, easily. Just look at the guy's captaincy in the 4th India-Aus. Test. That's what is called true aggression. Not the fake juvenile aggression that Kohli exhibits.

Rahane might end up being being the best captain India never had. I agree, he was aggressive in his own quite way and he's India's best test batsman imo along with Kohli whose average away is actually higher than it is at home.
 
Rahane might end up being being the best captain India never had. I agree, he was aggressive in his own quite way and he's India's best test batsman imo along with Kohli whose average away is actually higher than it is at home.

But just not marketable enough bro. That's what it's all about for the mighty BCCI.
 
As usual, plenty of posts from people who do not follow Indian cricket or have a major bias.

Kohli has done far better than Root and Williamson overseas, but we still have some people who think he will fail the next time he tours overseas.
 
Problem with Kohli is that he needs to dominate. Can't be bogged down. This is a flaw that is exploited by bowlers. They just have to bowl a tempter and hope for him to play a false shot. Kohli should learn just a bit from Pujara and play slower if he has to. Give himself time. I have never seen Kohli with a 30 SR.
 
I would wait till the end of this tour to decide if its a dip in form or not. He coule very well score double ton in next test like he did last year against Windies when everyone thought he was out of form.
 
Soft runs and didnt help his team winning important matches unlike Pujara who is master of tough runs and performs when the chips are down and already played a key part in winning 3 series.

Pujara actually failed in the series in which Kohli scored the runs in Oz, NZ and England. Pujara is actually an excellent player but he has a clear problem kicking on to big scores overseas. Kohli so far has a much better record than Pujara. Rahane is a different story.
 
In his ~60 test matches there isnt even 1 special effort from Kohli while guys like Pujara has plenty and even Rahul who played only few matches has few..

yes it was Kohli's twin brother scoring those centuries in Australia and putting England and NZ to the sword last home season
 
yes it was Kohli's twin brother scoring those centuries in Australia and putting England and NZ to the sword last home season

Yeah I forgot India won 2-0 in Australia and all of Kohl's centuries resulted in wins that series.

Also check the scores of his teammates in Eng-Nz home series ... India would have won the series without Kohli too ...

Scoring soft runs in 'overseas' series might be special effort for Kohli ******* but not my type ...
Overrated cricketer in tests and haven't played anything special I repeat.
 
Pujara actually failed in the series in which Kohli scored the runs in Oz, NZ and England. Pujara is actually an excellent player but he has a clear problem kicking on to big scores overseas. Kohli so far has a much better record than Pujara. Rahane is a different story.

I never said Pujara didn't fail overseas.. But he has performed when it mattered in Asia and resulted in series wins. Check his performances in 2 of the most competitive Indian series in Asia which India won .. Namely Ind - SL in SL last time and Ind - Aus recently...

While on the other side how many competitive series Kohli won??

Also it isnt necessary that overseas conditions are always difficult. As an example 3rd series deciding test in which Pujara scored 145* of Ind - SL series had a difficult seaming wicket than all of the wickets put in Australia where Kohli scored '4' centuries.
 
Yeah I forgot India won 2-0 in Australia and all of Kohl's centuries resulted in wins that series.

Also check the scores of his teammates in Eng-Nz home series ... India would have won the series without Kohli too ...

Scoring soft runs in 'overseas' series might be special effort for Kohli ******* but not my type ...
Overrated cricketer in tests and haven't played anything special I repeat.

he still managed to get India 2 draws in Australia whereas no Pakistani batsman has managed even a draw let alone a win in Aussie land for 20+ years
 
Sample size of 2 matches in SA and the pitches were relatively flat compared to the usual SA surfaces. Iirc, Philander had a higher batting average than Kohli in that series. Can hardly judge him on that series. Going by his ODI avg of 37.33 and a SR of 79 in SA vs SA I suspect his test average is inflated in SA.

Also, given the nightmare pitches India had us play on in India, I highly doubt India will receive such 'flat' pitches for the next tour to SA. Maybe we should wait for the next series in SA before we start to praise or condemn him.

Let the pitches be green and bouncy. After all it wasn't Indian team that was bowled out for 84 at Johannesburg.
 
Yeah I forgot India won 2-0 in Australia and all of Kohl's centuries resulted in wins that series.

Also check the scores of his teammates in Eng-Nz home series ... India would have won the series without Kohli too ...

Scoring soft runs in 'overseas' series might be special effort for Kohli ******* but not my type ...
Overrated cricketer in tests and haven't played anything special I repeat.

Who told you that only innings when everyone else has failed matter?
 
Who told you that only innings when everyone else has failed matter?

I think Kohli won you guys 2nd test against Eng. He was top scorer in that test in both innings and batting was not easy due to uneven bounce.

He scored 167 and 81.

4 innings by India and Eng in that tests were 455, 255, 204 and 158.
 
OP talked too soon or maybe Kohli read his thread. 6 innings is not a rough patch.
 
Now people will discredit this 100 as it is against the Lankans.

Something or the other just so that they can cope up with Kohli's achievements.
 
There is no doubt Virat Kohli is a legend in the LO format of the game.

The thing with Kohli and test cricket is that he hasn't really played any "legendary" knocks yet. People expect a lot from him and he has definitely underachieved in this format. I expect him to play catch-up over the next few years. Should be averaging between 55-58, he is that type of player and has it within him to do it. Just needs that extra push to get to that next level.

Look at Steven Smith, averages a little over 61 in test cricket, definitely heading for legend status in test cricket and he has played some brilliant knocks. Has not achieved those heights in LO cricket yet (has played some good knocks).

Just a matter of perspective. People expect a certain level from certain players in certain formats.
 
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This guy is ATG leaving that selfish one behind who claim to be God of whatever .. :harby

50+ in all formats GOAT... Same level as Tom brady:shafiq2
 
There is no doubt Virat Kohli is a legend in the LO format of the game.

The thing with Kohli and test cricket is that he hasn't really played any "legendary" knocks yet. People expect a lot from him and has definitely underachieved in this format. I expect him to play catch-up over the next few years. Should be averaging between 55-58, he is that type of player and has it within him to do it. Just needs that extra push to get to that next level.

Look at Steven Smith, averages a little over 61 in test cricket, definitely heading for legend status in test cricket and he has played some brilliant knocks. Has not achieved those heights in LO cricket yet (has played some good knocks).

Kohli is super aggressive for his own good in Tests. He likes to middle the ball. It's his nature. He simply cannot leave more than 5 balls in a row. He has to feel the ball on his bat. In the process he nicks to the slips Or keeper.

I have a feeling one of these days, he will score a triple. All he needs is a little luck going his way.
 
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His approach in tests means India will lose more tests that they could have drawn but it also means they can win more tests which they otherwise would have drawn. He is still new as a captain and should get better with experience. His batting has improved with captaincy and he should end up an ATG.
 
I think Virat declared too early tbh. He should have carried on until the target was 800 so that we could have seen his magnificent 200 made under extremely high pressure conditions.
 
There is no doubt Virat Kohli is a legend in the LO format of the game.

The thing with Kohli and test cricket is that he hasn't really played any "legendary" knocks yet. People expect a lot from him and he has definitely underachieved in this format. I expect him to play catch-up over the next few years. Should be averaging between 55-58, he is that type of player and has it within him to do it. Just needs that extra push to get to that next level.

Look at Steven Smith, averages a little over 61 in test cricket, definitely heading for legend status in test cricket and he has played some brilliant knocks. Has not achieved those heights in LO cricket yet (has played some good knocks).

Just a matter of perspective. People expect a certain level from certain players in certain formats.

The term 'legendary knock' has become very subjective. If by legendary you mean where he scores x runs and puts team into a position where they can win 9 times out of 10 then in his outing at Jo'burg, he did just that. Too bad our team couldn't defend a target a 450+ on a day 4-5 pitch and almost conceded it. Had India won that test, would people still be berating his performance of a century + 96 in that test? Nah I doubt it. Or for that matter take his ton match saving ton at NZ, well he saved the team? It must have been a flat track, right.

Score 4 tons in 4 tests in Australia against an attack that demolished England. Well pitches were flat, Australia went soft post Hughes demise or what not. Anyone could've done that, right? :))

So what if he has tons in all countries except England where he's played. Let's just label him ODI specialist.

There's lot of bias against Kohli in this thread from some posters(Not you), clearly some people can't see him becoming the best so they latch onto his only failure in England and berate all his other performances abroad. IMO he's now realising his potential and will definitely succeed abroad more often than not, whether they result in wins or not will be down to the entire team to contribute. A lone player can only do so much.
 
Also, given the nightmare pitches India had us play on in India, I highly doubt India will receive such 'flat' pitches for the next tour to SA. Maybe we should wait for the next series in SA before we start to praise or condemn him.


Well actually I'm counting on that to happen the upcoming tour. It''ll bring our pacers into play much more than in he past . Last time we had an over-the-hill zaheer, ishant and an injured Shami who couldn't defend 450 in the 4th innings.

Our pace stocks are considerably better now with Umesh and Bhuvi much faster with improved skills. Dunno if Shami will be fully fit at that point. Also the core team who scored in the past tour is still around - Rahane, Pujara, VK, Vijay. I hope to see Rahane being good there, Pujara is unknown. Rahul is a useful addition. Hopefully the team management doesn't go nuts and play TLNT-Sharma instead of youngsters like Karun or maybe Pant.

We also need to play Kuldeep who'll be far more effective , like your leggies.
 
The term 'legendary knock' has become very subjective. If by legendary you mean where he scores x runs and puts team into a position where they can win 9 times out of 10 then in his outing at Jo'burg, he did just that. Too bad our team couldn't defend a target a 450+ on a day 4-5 pitch and almost conceded it. Had India won that test, would people still be berating his performance of a century + 96 in that test? Nah I doubt it. Or for that matter take his ton match saving ton at NZ, well he saved the team? It must have been a flat track, right.

Score 4 tons in 4 tests in Australia against an attack that demolished England. Well pitches were flat, Australia went soft post Hughes demise or what not. Anyone could've done that, right? :))

So what if he has tons in all countries except England where he's played. Let's just label him ODI specialist.

There's lot of bias against Kohli in this thread from some posters(Not you), clearly some people can't see him becoming the best so they latch onto his only failure in England and berate all his other performances abroad. IMO he's now realising his potential and will definitely succeed abroad more often than not, whether they result in wins or not will be down to the entire team to contribute. A lone player can only do so much.


Well VK's 4th innings knock in the Adelaide test is as legendary as one played by any of the present big 4. It took us so close to an improbable victory, and is rated by many of the past greats like Chappel as one of the best 4th innings outings of this gen .
 
The term 'legendary knock' has become very subjective. If by legendary you mean where he scores x runs and puts team into a position where they can win 9 times out of 10 then in his outing at Jo'burg, he did just that. Too bad our team couldn't defend a target a 450+ on a day 4-5 pitch and almost conceded it. Had India won that test, would people still be berating his performance of a century + 96 in that test? Nah I doubt it. Or for that matter take his ton match saving ton at NZ, well he saved the team? It must have been a flat track, right.

Score 4 tons in 4 tests in Australia against an attack that demolished England. Well pitches were flat, Australia went soft post Hughes demise or what not. Anyone could've done that, right? :))

So what if he has tons in all countries except England where he's played. Let's just label him ODI specialist.

There's lot of bias against Kohli in this thread from some posters(Not you), clearly some people can't see him becoming the best so they latch onto his only failure in England and berate all his other performances abroad. IMO he's now realising his potential and will definitely succeed abroad more often than not, whether they result in wins or not will be down to the entire team to contribute. A lone player can only do so much.

As a Pakistan fan I concur when you say there is a lot of bias against Kohli.

He's a far better batsman Pakistan has ever produced in the last 25 years and ever will find in the near future.

Some of these anti VK tinted specs on here need a reality check.

If Pakistan had VK we would be a top side in all formats.
 
I think Virat declared too early tbh. He should have carried on until the target was 800 so that we could have seen his magnificent 200 made under extremely high pressure conditions.

Yeah what a horrible knock. Could have scored less runs and helped India to a win but instead chose to score his ton. Oh wait...
 
Yeah what a horrible knock. Could have scored less runs and helped India to a win but instead chose to score his ton. Oh wait...

Cue his response

- This ton is in asia, okay?

- It came against a side that ALMOST lost to Zimbabwe

- It came when there was absolutely no pressue, so what if 2 early wickets fell. Anyone would have come in and scored a ton. No.4 is a spot anyone can walk in and notch up a 100, don't you know?

- He's Virat Kohli, how can he score important runs? You mad bro?
 
The term 'legendary knock' has become very subjective. If by legendary you mean where he scores x runs and puts team into a position where they can win 9 times out of 10 then in his outing at Jo'burg, he did just that. Too bad our team couldn't defend a target a 450+ on a day 4-5 pitch and almost conceded it. Had India won that test, would people still be berating his performance of a century + 96 in that test? Nah I doubt it. Or for that matter take his ton match saving ton at NZ, well he saved the team? It must have been a flat track, right.

Score 4 tons in 4 tests in Australia against an attack that demolished England. Well pitches were flat, Australia went soft post Hughes demise or what not. Anyone could've done that, right? :))

So what if he has tons in all countries except England where he's played. Let's just label him ODI specialist.

There's lot of bias against Kohli in this thread from some posters(Not you), clearly some people can't see him becoming the best so they latch onto his only failure in England and berate all his other performances abroad. IMO he's now realising his potential and will definitely succeed abroad more often than not, whether they result in wins or not will be down to the entire team to contribute. A lone player can only do so much.


Well said bro, the bias against him from some of our fans is ridiculous .He's underrated in tests imo, expecting him to get better.
 
Declared too early ???????? There was a threat of Rain for the rest of the match, also, SLs were down TWO wickets already !!!!!!!! But why let the Truth get in the way of a good argument ..... Hmmmmm ..... ??????
 
Cue his response

- This ton is in asia, okay?

- It came against a side that ALMOST lost to Zimbabwe

- It came when there was absolutely no pressue, so what if 2 early wickets fell. Anyone would have come in and scored a ton. No.4 is a spot anyone can walk in and notch up a 100, don't you know?

- He's Virat Kohli, how can he score important runs? You mad bro?

That is a very common response by most sheeple here. Most have not picked up a bat or held a season ball in their life.
 
best batsman in the world. haters can continue to hate. they are only showing their small mentality.
 
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