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I am sorry but this is beyond stupid now.

Usman Khawaja, Pakistan team for the World Cup and now the UK born and bred Shoaib Bashir.

I am sure there are more examples but Indian Gov has now conveniently inserted itself in the selection process of visiting squads.

What is happening here?

Should boards like the ECB now discriminate against Pakistan origin players for visits to India?

The whole security argument is looking very lame.

But then I am not expecting any sympathy on this matter from many Indians but I am more puzzled by the blasé attitude of the so called best friends of India as well.
 
The ECB have a decision to make over the treatment of Shoaib Bashir — either ignore it and carry on, tell India they will not start the Test series until their full complement of players is present, or bring the England team home.

It is a decision they should be thinking very seriously about and the latter two options should most definitely be on the table.

Let’s go back more than 50 years and the selection of mixed-race player Basil D’Oliveira as a replacement by England for the 1968-69 tour of apartheid South Africa. The MCC called that tour off because the South Africans made it clear D’Oliveira would not be welcome to return to his homeland as part of the squad.

The MCC, who sent England sides abroad in those days, would not accept such political interference and refused to honour their commitment.

That episode was an absolute disgrace and thankfully the administrators did the right thing in the end by pulling out.

This situation is also political. Now, I realise this is different because it is a player being delayed rather than refused entry permanently, but it doesn’t make it right.

People all over the cricket world are asking why an individual within an international squad should be treated differently from the rest.

Here is a lad on the verge of fulfilling his dreams by playing for England and he is being prevented from having a fair crack at it.

I don’t think we have ever stopped an Indian cricketer from coming here to play. Why are they stopping an English one for no apparent reason, other than his Pakistani heritage? Sadly, Usman Khawaja suffered for the same reason last year, arriving 36 hours behind his Australian team-mates for a four-Test tour.

Surely in this day and age, it’s reasonable to expect when you are travelling abroad to play a series of such prestige that your players are permitted free passage as part of that process.

This England Test squad was picked in early December and so they will have got to work immediately with the visas. They have had over a month.

Bashir is an England cricketer, the same as the other 15 players in the squad. We need to stand up and support him.

He will be feeling awkward and perhaps embarrassed by the situation, but he should not be in this position as he has done absolutely nothing wrong.

He should not have to be subjected to this. My view is that they should delay Thursday's scheduled start of the first Test until he gets there.

India are stopping one of our players from playing. They have made him ineligible for selection by forcing him home to try to get the necessary paperwork through. It is a journey he should not need to make.

It beggars belief that the delay has gone on for so long that he is now unavailable for the first Test in Hyderabad.

Daily Mail
 
As per the Telegraph, ECB missed out proper procedures.
“It is understood that his visa has been approved, but needs to be stamped into his passport at the Indian High Commission in the United Kingdom.”
ECB sent Bashir to UAE thinking get it stamped in a 3rd country

Follow the proper Procedure or just stay at home .
 
Devadwal said:
As per the Telegraph, ECB missed out proper procedures.
“It is understood that his visa has been approved, but needs to be stamped into his passport at the Indian High Commission in the United Kingdom.”
ECB sent Bashir to UAE thinking get it stamped in a 3rd country

Follow the proper Procedure or just stay at home .
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Yes the Indian Government is so stringent that the High Commission could not direct their counterparts in UAE to do the same.

Yes. Please don't embarrass yourself further.
 
Indian High Commission and visa issuing authority are so incompetent that instead of informing the ECB that they need to get those stamp stuff done as well in the UK, but I guess they forgot to tell them or waited deliberately for him to come to India or Dubai to let him know and wanted him to go all the way back to the UK to get his issue sorted out.
LOL what comical stuff this is from visa authorities.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Indian High Commission and visa issuing authority are so incompetent that instead of informing the ECB that they need to get those stamp stuff done as well in the UK, but I guess they forgot to tell them or waited deliberately for him to come to India or Dubai to let him know and wanted him to go all the way back to the UK to get his issue sorted out.
LOL what comical stuff this is from visa authorities.
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Any source for what you said about Indian High commission not informed ECB ?
 
Regardless of the merits of this case, entry in a country is always a privilege, not a right. Only that it doesnt raise eyebrows if a western nation does it, and it does when a developing nation does it to a developed nation citizen.
 
Devadwal said:
Any source for what you said about Indian High commission not informed ECB ?
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The only reason I can think of about this issue is that the ECB was not well informed about this protocol or else why would they not do all the necessary stuff needed to complete the visa process?
 
Devadwal said:
“It is understood that his visa has been approved, but needs to be stamped into his passport at the Indian High Commission in the United Kingdom.”
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Devadwal said:
Yes, ECB did not follow the laws set by GOI . check the post #3.
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it does not say the ECB did not follow the rules neither did it say that they were informed but they did not follow the rules deliberately. Now what?
 
BouncerGuy said:
The only reason I can think of about this issue is that the ECB was not well informed about this protocol or else why would they not do all the necessary stuff needed to complete the visa process?
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So it's not GOI fault that ECB doesn't know about Protocol .
 
BouncerGuy said:
It is their fault as well as they did not inform the concerned party about this rule brother. this is called "lazy work or lack of interest to work"
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Yes I agree both party should have informed each other .but problem is people are easy blame india for everything without looking at other hand .
 
Devadwal said:
Yes I agree both party should have informed each other .but problem is people are easy blame india for everything without looking at other hand .
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The problem is nobody is accepting the fault. You cannot do stuff like that to a VIP person. This is what VIP protocol is. If Indian authorities are not informing the authority like ECB then you can understand the situation of a common man Btrothr. This is wrong
 
For athletes and VIP's India needs to do a better job at approving visa's. Otherwise it makes them look silly.
 
BouncerGuy said:
The problem is nobody is accepting the fault. You cannot do stuff like that to a VIP person. This is what VIP protocol is. If Indian authorities are not informing the authority like ECB then you can understand the situation of a common man Btrothr. This is wrong
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You're right about VIP protocol .
After Pakistan team visa delayed for World cup ,Usman Khawaja visa delayed issue it's clear that GOI india is not mood for giving special Protocal for Pakistan haritage People. this is right or wrong it's different matter as our relation are not so good .
Now Team should understand this and hopefully in future they worked ahead so visa issue not occurred.
 
CricketCartoons said:
Only that it doesnt raise eyebrows if a western nation does it
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Not sure about this. If a South Asian professional cricketer went through this ordeal when he’d been selected for a tour of England or Australia, surely western media would be highly critical of that and citing a potential racial/discriminatory element. Much of western media is quite liberal.
 
James said:
Not sure about this. If a South Asian professional cricketer went through this ordeal when he’d been selected for a tour of England or Australia, surely western media would be highly critical of that and citing a potential racial/discriminatory element. Much of western media is quite liberal.
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Mohammad Amir with a criminal record was given permission to return to England in 2016 - with MINIMAL fuss.

Provisions can be made but there has to be a will for that, which is sadly missing here.
 
James said:
Not sure about this. If a South Asian professional cricketer went through this ordeal when he’d been selected for a tour of England or Australia, surely western media would be highly critical of that and citing a potential racial/discriminatory element. Much of western media is quite liberal.
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You are right, that western media would have reported it, but that is it. Very recently UK did this:

African atheletes regularly face visa delays and denials. I am not saying it is right or wrong. But we all need to understand that entry to a country is indeed a privilege, western world regularly does it to african athletes.
 
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James said:
Not sure about this. If a South Asian professional cricketer went through this ordeal when he’d been selected for a tour of England or Australia, surely western media would be highly critical of that and citing a potential racial/discriminatory element. Much of western media is quite liberal.
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In any matter involving questions of ethics and propriety, we can safely discard the UK opinion. Thanks. Show me how critical the western media was when Russians were banned from Wimbledon etc. I mean, you come from the country calling for a ''sustainable ceasefire'' in Palestine.

The issue involving Bashir has nothing to do with Western/Subcontinent, it's simply about additional protocols in place for persons with Pakistani background. The rules are clear and simple enough to be followed and incompetent ECB botched it. That's the whole matter.

You may think it's fine for terrorists to sneak in, but Indian government cannot afford that given our experience of Mumbai.
 
AMSS said:
In any matter involving questions of ethics and propriety, we can safely discard the UK opinion. Thanks. Show me how critical the western media was when Russians were banned from Wimbledon etc. I mean, you come from the country calling for a ''sustainable ceasefire'' in Palestine.

The issue involving Bashir has nothing to do with Western/Subcontinent, it's simply about additional protocols in place for persons with Pakistani background. The rules are clear and simple enough to be followed and incompetent ECB botched it. That's the whole matter.

You may think it's fine for terrorists to sneak in, but Indian government cannot afford that given our experience of Mumbai.
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Ok so Bashir is now a terrorist.

Well done.
 
MenInG said:
No that's what you are telling us India is suspecting Bashir to be.
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Thats simply your interpretation. He implied nothing of the sort.

A due process has been set in place and it's unfortunate that he is of Pakistani origin but you can't make exceptions for athletes .

Especially considering that other countries do the same.

After David Headley , nobody is going to take a chance when it comes to people of Pakistani origin. Better be safe than sorry
 
Well no, just do their due diligence for a start.

As others have pointed out, there are protocols in place which need to be followed. Feel for the lad, but it is what it is
 
AMSS said:
In any matter involving questions of ethics and propriety, we can safely discard the UK opinion. Thanks. Show me how critical the western media was when Russians were banned from Wimbledon etc. I mean, you come from the country calling for a ''sustainable ceasefire'' in Palestine.

The issue involving Bashir has nothing to do with Western/Subcontinent, it's simply about additional protocols in place for persons with Pakistani background. The rules are clear and simple enough to be followed and incompetent ECB botched it. That's the whole matter.

You may think it's fine for terrorists to sneak in, but Indian government cannot afford that given our experience of Mumbai.
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Indian cricketers used to steal socks when they would go to England. An Indian cricketer called Sudhir Naik was caught red handed doing it. Does that justify blocking every Indian cricketer from travelling to England?
 
OldWarHorse said:
Well no, just do their due diligence for a start.

As others have pointed out, there are protocols in place which need to be followed. Feel for the lad, but it is what it is
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When travelling to a first world nation, you can often get your visa stamped from another country.

But i understand third world countries have their own procedures
 
Major said:
When travelling to a first world nation, you can often get your visa stamped from another country.

But i understand third world countries have their own procedures
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Pretty much, there is no excuse for ignorance. The English board need to do better, simple. No point crying now
 
kidsdmd said:
They do it because they can and no one has the guts to stop them.
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Why in your opinion has the Indian government done this? It's not like he's some mystery spinner who is going to run through the Indian team.

Pakistani origin players like Moeen Ali have played all formats in India in the past, including IPL so that's not the reason either.
 
There are several pieces in the Eng media comparing this to Basil D'Oliveira affair, which is silly. Shows you how ill-informed and entitled a lot of there journalists are.
 
AMSS said:
In any matter involving questions of ethics and propriety, we can safely discard the UK opinion. Thanks. Show me how critical the western media was when Russians were banned from Wimbledon etc. I mean, you come from the country calling for a ''sustainable ceasefire'' in Palestine.
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You have no idea of my views on any of these matters. Playing the man not the ball because of my nationality is very low.
 
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James said:
He’s a young kid who is a spin bowler in cricket, he’s not a terrorist.
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Millions of innocents from India and Pakistan would like to visit UK to showcase their talents but your government won't even let them enter the embassy premises, forget issuing visa.

Are we terrorists, James?
 
AMSS said:
Millions of innocents from India and Pakistan would like to visit UK to showcase their talents but your government won't even let them enter the embassy premises, forget issuing visa.

Are we terrorists, James?
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Why are you treating me like a spokesperson or representative for the UK government in multiple posts? It’s very odd behaviour.
 
James said:
Why are you treating me like a spokesperson or representative for the UK government in multiple posts? It’s very odd behaviour.
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Think issue is that a lot of Indian supporters feel obliged to defend India Gov policies without adding any original thought.
 
James said:
You have no idea of my views on any of these matters. Playing the man not the ball because of my nationality is very low.
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That's adorable but not interested or care about whatever views you have. Your incompetent board screwed up simple paperwork which even Moeen Ali does all by himself to play in IPL. Why are you being a weirdo about a country having their own visa policy?
 
AMSS said:
That's adorable but not interested or care about whatever views you have. Your incompetent board screwed up simple paperwork which even Moeen Ali does all by himself to play in IPL. Why are you being a weirdo about a country having their own visa policy?
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plz tell us what paperwork was messed up.
 
James said:
Why are you treating me like a spokesperson or representative for the UK government in multiple posts? It’s very odd behaviour.
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You need to be a little more respectful of countries trying to vet visitors carefully because terrorism is not a joke. Your own country does it far more harshly than India.

The only odd behavior here is you and your media going in a collective squeal/moan about it.
 
James said:
Why are you treating me like a spokesperson or representative for the UK government in multiple posts? It’s very odd behaviour.
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Perhaps the point is about nation states using every instrument including the visa process as political instruments and not a post about you directly?

Israeli athletes were banned in the Middle East , Russians banned in UK because the states they represented were deemed civilisational threats to the hosting nations.

Pakistan and it's citizens and Pakistani origin people have been considered an existential threat to India since '47 and even more so since '08 terror attacks.

Even if you are well intentioned or the majority of Brits are well intentioned, it doesn't seem to translate to state policy .

Why should India, a Third World Country , be held to standards that the enlightened West has no problem abandoning whenever it suits them?

That logic won't fly anymore .
 
But REHAN AHMED, another player of Pakistani origin easily got visa and is scheduled to play in the First Test.

:rolleyes:
 
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Croma said:
I am sure my message is going to be ignored.

But REHAN AHMED, another player of Pakistani origin easily got visa and is scheduled to play in the First Test.

:rolleyes:
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Exactly. Incompetent ECB failed to advise Bishar of the necessary paperwork he needed and hence the delay. The nerve of making this about something else is a classic case of projection.
 
Croma said:
But REHAN AHMED, another player of Pakistani origin easily got visa and is scheduled to play in the First Test.

:rolleyes:
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Rehan got his visa in the past as he was a stand by player during the world cup.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Perhaps the point is about nation states using every instrument including the visa process as political instruments and not a post about you directly?

Israeli athletes were banned in the Middle East , Russians banned in UK because the states they represented were deemed civilisational threats to the hosting nations.

Pakistan and it's citizens and Pakistani origin people have been considered an existential threat to India since '47 and even more so since '08 terror attacks.

Even if you are well intentioned or the majority of Brits are well intentioned, it doesn't seem to translate to state policy .

Why should India, a Third World Country , be held to standards that the enlightened West has no problem abandoning whenever it suits them?

That logic won't fly anymore .
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I would like to draw attention to " Pakistani origin people have been considered an existential threat to India since '47 and even more so since '08 terror attacks." Talk about painting an entire demographic of people with the same brush. I have a feeling that in a few years, India will find itself becoming more and more isolated as the international community slowly wakes up to their ridiculousness.
 
Shadow_muaythai said:
I would like to draw attention to " Pakistani origin people have been considered an existential threat to India since '47 and even more so since '08 terror attacks." Talk about painting an entire demographic of people with the same brush. I have a feeling that in a few years, India will find itself becoming more and more isolated as the international community slowly wakes up to their ridiculousness.
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Also Israeli and Russian athletes were never banned because the athletes seemed to pose a risk to a country. They were banned due to concerns possibly for their own safety in a land which is hostile towards the politics of their country. Also one particular athlete was not banned, the entire team was. Just to reiterate an athlete.. a part of an international team.. not an undercover hit squad
 
Shadow_muaythai said:
I would like to draw attention to " Pakistani origin people have been considered an existential threat to India since '47 and even more so since '08 terror attacks." Talk about painting an entire demographic of people with the same brush. I have a feeling that in a few years, India will find itself becoming more and more isolated as the international community slowly wakes up to their ridiculousness.
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Your feelings are completely misplaced, then.

The West is too busy trying to finish off Palestine and take on China and Russia at the same time.

What India does to "discriminate" against Pakistanis simply won't even register as a concern because, firstly, there is a larger picture at stake and , secondly, Pakistan is not important enough in geopolitics for most of the world to care.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Very low comments from posters here.

He is a twenty year old kid making his debut in cricket.

And yet he is being labelled as a potential terrorist.

Truly shameful.
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Why you guys don't understood simple visa process .just follow proper visa process set by GOI . Basir don't follow hence he was not allowed to travel. The rule is must followed by any individual who want to come here .
 
Let’s take a moment to imagine how good it would be if India were blacklisted from cricket entirely.

It will be a very small loss to the game as they are rubbish anyway.

But we wouldn’t have to deal with their constant cheating, pitch doctoring, forcing the entire community to accommodate IPL windows, hogging the rights to every ICC event, refusing to tour certain countries etc etc. etc.

This issue is simply just another black mark that India have added to this once great game.

They will happily destroy it completely as long as they personally gain from it.

Indian cricket is like being in an abusive relationship. You only realise how messed up things were once you’re out of it.
 
Devadwal said:
As per the Telegraph, ECB missed out proper procedures.
“It is understood that his visa has been approved, but needs to be stamped into his passport at the Indian High Commission in the United Kingdom.”
ECB sent Bashir to UAE thinking get it stamped in a 3rd country

Follow the proper Procedure or just stay at home .
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How can anyone possibly believe this explanation?

So ECB only messed up following the proper procedure when it came to filing for one person’s visa? And I suppose the Australian Cricket Board also seems to only make mistakes on Khawaja’s visa procedure and no one else’s? It must just be a pure coincidence that cricket boards only mess up when filing for visas for Pakistani origin players and they only make this mistake when touring India and no other country.

Give me a break.
 
Devadwal said:
Why you guys don't understood simple visa process .just follow proper visa process set by GOI . Basir don't follow hence he was not allowed to travel. The rule is must followed by any individual who want to come here .
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what is the process?

Here is a link to general gudlines for obtaning an Indian Visa

It clearly says
A foreigner can apply for any type of visa (including Employment/ Business Visa) from a countryother than the country of his origin/ domicile. However, in such cases, visa will be granted onlyafter consulting the Indian Mission concerned in the country of origin/ domicile of the foreigner.
 
160KPH said:
How can anyone possibly believe this explanation?

So ECB only messed up following the proper procedure when it came to filing for one person’s visa? And I suppose the Australian Cricket Board also seems to only make mistakes on Khawaja’s visa procedure and no one else’s? It must just be a pure coincidence that cricket boards only mess up when filing for visas for Pakistani origin players and they only make this mistake when touring India and no other country.

Give me a break.
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you ask them whats the proper procedure, they themselves dont even know.
 
PM Rishi Sunak is also technically ' Pak origin' w
Devadwal said:
Why you guys don't understood simple visa process .just follow proper visa process set by GOI . Basir don't follow hence he was not allowed to travel. The rule is must followed by any individual who want to come here .
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No rule isnt followed by 'any' individual.

It applies only to Pakistanis.

Or Pakistani origin.

This lad may never have set one foot in Pakistan but is being compared to a 26/11 attacker - despite the fact the 26/11 guys came via boat - because his dad was born in Pakistan.

I mean how petty can you get. He is playing for England but is made to jump through hoops because of where his dad was born.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
PM Rishi Sunak is also technically ' Pak origin' w
No rule isnt followed by 'any' individual.

It applies only to Pakistanis.

Or Pakistani origin.

This lad may never have set one foot in Pakistan but is being compared to a 26/11 attacker - despite the fact the 26/11 guys came via boat - because his dad was born in Pakistan.

I mean how petty can you get. He is playing for England but is made to jump through hoops because of where his dad was born.
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That is the world we live in. Trust cannot be the default option. Trust takes a long time to build up, but goes away suddenly.

Always better to err on the side of caution. Twice I got schengen visa just a day before my flight, and even though people who know me can vouch for me, but for the embassies I am just a name and they have to follow the due process.
 
This happened to a British Pakistani presenter too at the BBC. He was supposed to travel to India to cover the World Cup. He was so excited about this, but the poor guy didn’t receive his visa in time and his replacement (non Pakistani) went instead.

Once in a lifetime opportunity missed for this lad who’s around our age, only because his parents are from Pakistani origin. It’s a dream to cover the cricket World Cup as a part of your job for any die hard cricket fan.

Unlike the partition, these voices will not be silenced or forgotten.
 
CricketCartoons said:
That is the world we live in. Trust cannot be the default option. Trust takes a long time to build up, but goes away suddenly.

Always better to err on the side of caution. Twice I got schengen visa just a day before my flight, and even though people who know me can vouch for me, but for the embassies I am just a name and they have to follow the due process.
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You are not part of a national sports squad - especially a high profile cricket team.
 
160KPH said:
How can anyone possibly believe this explanation?

So ECB only messed up following the proper procedure when it came to filing for one person’s visa? And I suppose the Australian Cricket Board also seems to only make mistakes on Khawaja’s visa procedure and no one else’s? It must just be a pure coincidence that cricket boards only mess up when filing for visas for Pakistani origin players and they only make this mistake when touring India and no other country.

Give me a break.
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You belive or not but this is true fact which missed by most of people's and start blaming india without knowing what is the actual story.
Secondly india is not change Visa process for any individual just becouse he is a cricketer. Follow the rules
 
Rana said:
Once in a lifetime opportunity missed for this lad who’s around our age, only because his parents are from Pakistani origin. It’s a dream to cover the cricket World Cup as a part of your job for any die hard cricket fan.

Unlike the partition, these voices will not be silenced or forgotten.
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Amen .. Bashir must avenge this humiliation and run through the Indian batting lineup in the 2nd test. I fear we may have woken up a sleeping giant.
 
160KPH said:
You would be more of a man if you just chose to admit that your country purposefully discriminates against anyone of Pakistani origin - even if they were not born or even visited Pakistan.

Don’t hide behind these garbage procedural arguments like a coward.
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this is what is it. We are not living in ideal World .
No country allow visa to be stamped in a 3rd country.
 
MenInG said:
You are not part of a national sports squad - especially a high profile cricket team.
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The process could be sped up for someone from high profile team, but it still has to be followed. I am commenting in general and not on this particular case, that people should not be offended and see it as a personal insult.
 
160KPH said:
How can anyone possibly believe this explanation?

So ECB only messed up following the proper procedure when it came to filing for one person’s visa? And I suppose the Australian Cricket Board also seems to only make mistakes on Khawaja’s visa procedure and no one else’s? It must just be a pure coincidence that cricket boards only mess up when filing for visas for Pakistani origin players and they only make this mistake when touring India and no other country.

Give me a break.
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Every country "discriminates" between those who are their citizen and those who are not. And even among those who are not their citizen, it has different scale of discrimination. Does the US treat every visa applicant equally based on nationality? No. Europeans and africans are on opposite end of the "discrimination" spectrum.

That is why countries follow reciprocity. Treat others how they treat you. I am sure Pakistan would be treating Indian origin applicants differently than others.
 
Rana said:
Glad India have realised after the international backlash that Shoaib doesn’t possess a security threat to their nation
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No , Bashir get the visa after returning to London and done all the process .

India is never going to change visa process just because some individuals cricketers .
 
Rana said:
Glad India have realised after the international backlash that Shoaib doesn’t possess a security threat to their nations
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The Visa was always getting approved, though delayed yes. The ECB possibly expected it to be stamped in UAE but that ain't happening.

He has to go back to the UK get it stamped and then join the rest of the squad
 
Things are being overcomplicated here.

If GOI wants to put Pakistanis through extra security vetting - that's your right as a sovereign nation and frankly I don't blame you given past events.

However even Indians in their gut know their bureaucracy has a reputation for being slow and cumbersome. Add discriminatory practices on top and the result are these negative headlines before World Cups and major series. The paperwork error only makes sense if it was the first time a Pakistani was delayed like this.

Common sense must prevail. Athletes are low risk individuals and should be put through a fast-track lane. You can do your extra security checks which shouldn't take long, and touring teams' preparations aren't sabotaged like this.

Simple !
 
Markhor said:
Things are being overcomplicated here.

If GOI wants to put Pakistanis through extra security vetting - that's your right as a sovereign nation and frankly I don't blame you given past events.

However even Indians in their gut know their bureaucracy has a reputation for being slow and cumbersome. Add discriminatory practices on top and the result are these negative headlines before World Cups and major series. The paperwork error only makes sense if it was the first time a Pakistani was delayed like this.

Common sense must prevail. Athletes are low risk individuals and should be put through a fast-track lane. You can do your extra security checks which shouldn't take long, and touring teams' preparations aren't sabotaged like this.

Simple !
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bro what have you said is spot on.

Issue is Indians that will defend everything. THey wont criticize their own bureaucracy for the red tapeism in this case.

I asked Joshila, would he be as much understanding when he is at the recieving end of bureaucracy, didnt answer.

Some Indian posters here act as Govt mouth piece than neutral cricket fans
 
Yes they are strict. Stop expecting VVIP treatment because you hold a British passport. You will not get that.
 
Markhor said:
Things are being overcomplicated here.

If GOI wants to put Pakistanis through extra security vetting - that's your right as a sovereign nation and frankly I don't blame you given past events.

However even Indians in their gut know their bureaucracy has a reputation for being slow and cumbersome. Add discriminatory practices on top and the result are these negative headlines before World Cups and major series. The paperwork error only makes sense if it was the first time a Pakistani was delayed like this.

Common sense must prevail. Athletes are low risk individuals and should be put through a fast-track lane. You can do your extra security checks which shouldn't take long, and touring teams' preparations aren't sabotaged like this.

Simple !
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The law & process should be equally applicable to everyone - irrespective of whether you are VIP or a commoner

That's what the West does. That's why Shahrukh Khan gets grilled at airports in the USA like a commoner. In the subcontinent we have this mindset that VIPs deserve special treatment. That's why we have this obnoxious VIP culture

I am glad that India followed the rules & procedures & not give any leeway bcoz its England. That's what self respecting nations do . Dont bend before white nations just bcoz they are white

ps : There are 2 Pakistani origin players in the squad. Rehan Ahmed & Shoaib Bahsir. Rehan did his due diligence & got his visa on time. Shoaib Bashir must have screwed up somewhere bcoz of which his visa got dealyed. Not bcoz of BCCI or Indian govt - else both wud have got delayed !
 
Eng team and ECB should have showed some guts over this matter. Stokes joked about a boycott but they should have abandoned the tour in support of the young lad. Need to send a strong and clear message that they won't tolerate any discrimination against their members.
 
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kumjsr said:
People with visa were also involved in 26/11
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Few Pakistanis actually came to India on the pretext of watching cricket games to do recce for Mumbai attacks & missed dual citizenship rules - which is why these stringent process was put in place
 
Major said:
bro what have you said is spot on.

Issue is Indians that will defend everything. THey wont criticize their own bureaucracy for the red tapeism in this case.

I asked Joshila, would he be as much understanding when he is at the recieving end of bureaucracy, didnt answer.

Some Indian posters here act as Govt mouth piece than neutral cricket fans
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What is the red tape?

Bashir applied for a visa. He got a visa. But now he wants that the visa be stamped in UAE.

This isn't a online market place with order to be delivered at the venue of choice.
 
OldWarHorse said:
The Visa was always getting approved, though delayed yes. The ECB possibly expected it to be stamped in UAE but that ain't happening.

He has to go back to the UK get it stamped and then join the rest of the squad
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Basically this.

Brits having problems obeying laws of a former colony.
 
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