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ECB is incompetent to not realize that a single entry visa can not be used more than once to enter any country.
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Yes, the famous story of a sportsman of Pakistani ethnicity coming to play sports and committing terror attacks. You're right, how silly of us! I am sure if anyone wanted to commit terror attacks the first route would be to join the English cricket team. You've done an excellent job detective!Thats simply your interpretation. He implied nothing of the sort.
A due process has been set in place and it's unfortunate that he is of Pakistani origin but you can't make exceptions for athletes .
Especially considering that other countries do the same.
After David Headley , nobody is going to take a chance when it comes to people of Pakistani origin. Better be safe than sorry
Yes, the famous story of a sportsman of Pakistani ethnicity coming to play sports and committing terror attacks. You're right, how silly of us! I am sure if anyone wanted to commit terror attacks the first route would be to join the English cricket team. You've done an excellent job detective!
Yes, the famous story of a sportsman of Pakistani ethnicity coming to play sports and committing terror attacks. You're right, how silly of us! I am sure if anyone wanted to commit terror attacks the first route would be to join the English cricket team. You've done an excellent job detective!
It's a big possibility. Pakistani or Pakistani origin cannot be trusted to do the right thing.Yes, the famous story of a sportsman of Pakistani ethnicity coming to play sports and committing terror attacks. You're right, how silly of us! I am sure if anyone wanted to commit terror attacks the first route would be to join the English cricket team. You've done an excellent job detective!
Pakistan also follows the due process for indian origin people, and rightly so. People should stop having a false sense of entitlement. Always remember, gaining entry to another country is always a privilege, no matter how entitled one may think of oneself.Yes, the famous story of a sportsman of Pakistani ethnicity coming to play sports and committing terror attacks. You're right, how silly of us! I am sure if anyone wanted to commit terror attacks the first route would be to join the English cricket team. You've done an excellent job detective!
Exactly... BCCI has failed to provide any explanation and they just cannot solve this issue...Millions of unwanted Bangladeshis and Rohingyas can simply walk through the border to Bharat but an international sportsman playing for England who is no security threat to us cannot get the VISA on time.
I don’t know as a Bharatiya, how am i supposed to explain this. Kg should be the opposite. Let these decent folks travel with ease and be as strict as you can be at the borders to not let illegal beggars from entering here from Bangladeshi.
Exactly... BCCI has failed to provide any explanation and they just cannot solve this issue...
Terrorism threat?England hit by more visa problems with Saqib Mahmood yet to be granted entry to India for white-ball tour... as ECB are forced to cancel his flight just days before first game
England are facing more visa issues with Saqib Mahmood yet to be granted his visa for their tour to India which begins next week.
Mahmood was scheduled to leave for the UAE last Thursday for a pace bowling camp alongside Jofra Archer, Gus Atkinson, Brydon Carse and Mark Wood but the ECB were forced to cancel his flight with his passport still in the hands of the Indian Embassy.
Freezing conditions in the UK have left the 27-year-old unable to bowl outdoors while his England teammates are training in Abu Dhabi alongside fast-bowling mentor Jimmy Anderson.
Mahmood has spent the last few days in limbo, awaiting a resolution but is still uncertain if he will be able to join the rest of England’s touring party, when they depart this Friday.
England’s first T20 against India is in Kolkata next Wednesday.
Mahmood was named Player of the Series in England’s last white-ball tour to the West Indies in November, where took nine wickets in three matches and broke the record for the most powerplay wickets claimed by an England bowler in a men's series.
The UAE trip was planned to help England’s seamers acclimatise to conditions ahead of the white-ball tour to India, which includes three ODI’s and five T20I’s and the subsequent Champions Trophy which takes place in Pakistan and UAE next month.
Last year, Lancashire travelled to India without Mahmood after failing to apply for a visa and in 2019, the ECB failed to obtain a visa for Mahmood to travel to India as part of an England Lions squad despite applying well in advance, due to his Pakistani heritage.
This is the latest episode of visa problems for England players with Pakistani heritage after Shoaib Bashir was forced to fly back to London on the eve of England’s Test series against India last year to obtain his visa and Rehan Ahmed was held in Rajkot as he only had a single-entry visa.
Mail Sport understands that Adil Rashid and Ahmed, also in the squad and of Pakistani heritage, have been granted their visa this time around.
The ECB declined to comment but are understood to be optimistic they will have Mahmood’s visa in time to leave with the group for India on Friday.
SOURCE: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...d-visa-problems-saqib-mahmood-india-tour.html
Pretty low and pathetic. You would have to be seriously lacking in brain-cells to keep doing this. And that to, to British cricket players. They are not even Pakistani.
India used to a moderate and secular country but after BJP/RSS came into power it has become openly racist and extremist country.This will be India’s downfall.Indian economy is not growing and there is a lot anti-Indian sentiment around the world due to large scale migration from India.Anyone of pakistani origin is Pakistani for us.
And do you have concrete information that he doesn't have dual nationality?
Let me correct myself, you have to be seriously lacking in brain-cells so do something like this, and defend it.Anyone of pakistani origin is Pakistani for us.
And do you have concrete information that he doesn't have dual nationality?
Anyone of pakistani origin is Pakistani for us.
And do you have concrete information that he doesn't have dual nationality?
Corrected.Anyone of pakistani origin is threat for us.
And do you have concrete information that he doesn't have dual nationality?
India used to a moderate and secular country but after BJP/RSS came into power it has become openly racist and extremist country.This will be India’s downfall.Indian economy is not growing and there is a lot anti-Indian sentiment around the world due to large scale migration from India.
Our country,our rules just like how UK denied visa for Sunil Chhetri .
According to the newly launched website of Football Players Association of India, Chhetri was denied permit since India is not in the top 70 in the FIFA rankings and the British government does not grant permit to non European Union players whose country is ranked below 70.
Everyone is aware of the David Headley situation and how we definitely need to more extra cautious about this and I think that’s definitely an ordinary Pakistan understands deep down if not very openly.
Thanks for your prediction about India's economy. Indian people choose their government and they will get what they deserve.India used to a moderate and secular country but after BJP/RSS came into power it has become openly racist and extremist country.This will be India’s downfall.Indian economy is not growing and there is a lot anti-Indian sentiment around the world due to large scale migration from India.
Yes, the acts of the BCCI/GOI in cricket relations with Pakistan are silly and cringeworthy.India always shows its hatred for Pakistan in someway or another. Cricket is a sport that is meant to join nations but BCCI and GOI is working other way around...
India used to a moderate and secular country but after BJP/RSS came into power it has become openly racist and extremist country.This will be India’s downfall.Indian economy is not growing and there is a lot anti-Indian sentiment around the world due to large scale migration from India.
India always shows its hatred for Pakistan in someway or another. Cricket is a sport that is meant to join nations but BCCI and GOI is working other way around...
Let me correct myself, you have to be seriously lacking in brain-cells so do something like this, and defend it.
Umm, do you have any concrete information that he is?
Promoting hatred is easy brother. We wanna play cricket... that is all... INdia not issuing visa to Pakistan-origin players can have many reasons that may seem very valid but we all know the original root of this issue.Pakistanis shower love on Indians.
Pakistan and India have hostile relations. Isn't it easy to understand?
And Cricket isn't above national interests.
Agree. They are shooting themselves on the foot.
This is what happens when country gets run by an illiterate and shortsighted chaiwala.
Repeat after me: Saqib Mehmood is an English cricketer, not a Pakistani cricketer. He plays for England, not Pakistan.We have our rules. ECB is free to not come to India. No one is begging pakistanis to apply for the Visas.
Pakistanis have to go through extra vetting for Indian visas. Don't like it, don't apply.
His name is saqib having Pakistani Origin... PAKISTANIIIII IYKYK... That is the only problemRepeat after me: Saqib Mehmood is an English cricketer, not a Pakistani cricketer. He plays for England, not Pakistan.
Why are having so much trouble getting this through your head?
Promoting hatred is easy brother. We wanna play cricket... that is all... INdia not issuing visa to Pakistan-origin players can have many reasons that may seem very valid but we all know the original root of this issue.
Repeat after me: Saqib Mehmood is an English cricketer, not a Pakistani cricketer. He plays for England, not Pakistan.
Why are having so much trouble getting this through your head?
@cricketjoshila @Devadwal
I think it is time we make an exception for international sportspersons and grant them VISA in normal time. What do you reckon?
Everyone is aware of the David Headley situation and how we definitely need to more extra cautious about this and I think that’s definitely an ordinary Pakistan understands deep down if not very openly.
I don’t think denying VISA to Usman Khwaja and other reputed international cricketers of Pakistan origin is something people are ever going to take.
I would always rather go to war than discriminate.
It would make sense if this was a hard-line policy but we all know that in the end he will be granted a visa. So why all this drama? To play to the galleries? Or are you telling me that the Indian MEA is living under a rock and don't know that an international cricketer, who plays the only sport the entire country is obsessed with, applied for a visa?Saqib Mahmood is of pakistani origin. And his visa application will be treated as a visa application of a Pakistani.
That's our rule. Doesn't matter who he plays for.
Now repeat after me,
A person of pakistani origin is a Pakistani for India, passport doesn't matter.
Yeah I would never apply for a visa to India.Don't like our rules. Don't apply for a visa.
It would make sense if this was a hard-line policy but we all know that in the end he will be granted a visa. So why all this drama? To play to the galleries? Or are you telling me that the Indian MEA is living under a rock and don't know that an international cricketer, who plays the only sport the entire country is obsessed with, applied for a visa?
Yeah I would never apply for a visa to India.
Chhetri is 4th highest international goal scorer ever More popular than saqid mahmood .Not true, he could have qualified for a work permit if he'd been playing a high enough level of football elsewhere. As with anyone migrating to the UK for work, you're not going to get a work permit unless you have the proof you can do the job at the required level.
That's completely different to repeatedly giving an international sportsperson issues with his temporary visa to represent his country purely on the basis of where his grandparents were born.
Because GOI has the different policy for pakistan heritage peoples after The Mumbai attack so its take extra time and everyone including ECB know this already . They should have applied well in advance but they haven't so wait for Visa clearance instead blaming.It would make sense if this was a hard-line policy but we all know that in the end he will be granted a visa. So why all this drama? To play to the galleries? Or are you telling me that the Indian MEA is living under a rock and don't know that an international cricketer, who plays the only sport the entire country is obsessed with, applied for a visa?
Yeah I would never apply for a visa to India.
Chhetri is 4th highest international goal scorer ever More popular than saqid mahmood .
If UK can denied the permissions than india is also take whatever the Visa Procedure followed by Government of india. stop playing victim mentality and follow the rules . Simple
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How nice of them! He is only coming to play an international cricket series that will likely be watched by millions of Indians. I can see how easy it is to confuse him with a potential terrorist.Most likely He won't be denied visa because Bcci and ECB will be asked to endorse the application. But background checks will be done regardless.
Yes.Everybody is bad only India is good.We are good. Worry about yourself. Thanks.
How nice of them! He is only coming to play an international cricket series that will likely be watched by millions of Indians. I can see how easy it is to confuse him with a potential terrorist.
Quantity of goals is not a direct indicator of quality. He also wasn't 4th in 2009.
Again, ensuring someone has proof of being suitably qualified to migrate is not the same as delaying their temporary visa because of their grandparents place of birth.
There's a reason why bombs going off isn't a normal headline in India. While I agree that exception can be made for known sportsmen, I am totally okay even if that's not the case.
Just pointing how nonsensical and empty-headed this policy sounds to anyone who isn't Indian.As long as someone is of pakistani heritage, background checks are essential.
I don't know why you are whining about it.
When Djokovic denied entry into Australia and his visa canceled because of Rules was not followed by him.Just pointing how nonsensical and empty-headed this policy sounds to anyone who isn't Indian.
No idea why you feel the need to defend it as if you work for the Indian MEA.
When Djokovic denied entry into Australia and his visa canceled because of Rules was not followed by him.
UK can denied entry to india Football legend but no problem.
But why people have problem with india just because india have different Visa policy for pakistan heritage peoples like UK ,US or Australia has own Visa policy.
Follow the government of India Procedure or don't came here. Very simple.
No any special favour just because they are sportsperson. We didn't get any favour when our player wanted to go there .
ECB’s fault. Should send visa for such players ahead of time. While it’s unfortunate but it is what it
I don’t know the process, however common sense says you need to account for these things ahead of time and not act surprised at the last minute.The visas aren't sent for as soon as they feasibly can be.
How far ahead of time is an appropriate period as per your common sense?I don’t know the process, however common sense says you need to account for these things ahead of time and not act surprised at the last minute.
Common sense for people who regularly travel overseas. .I dont know how to quantify it for you. We all have different way to manage things so I will leave it to you to figure it out next time you get a chance to travel.How far ahead of time is an appropriate period as per your common sense?
I don’t know the process, however common sense says you need to account for these things ahead of time and not act surprised at the last minute.
Why should Indian immigration have caveats for cricket board selections?The visas can't be applied for until someone is selected in the squad. That's still usually a month in advance.
India has own Visa policy for pakistan haritage peoples and if anyone wants to comes in india that has to follow the rules . period .Yes, he literally broke the countries biosecurity laws, which Law has Saqib broken...?
He wasn't denied entry, he was denied the right to permanently immigrate here because there were plenty of local talent better qualified for his position, with the playing experience at a higher level to prove it.
Can you really not see how the examples you've given above are completely different?
That's exactly what they're doing, doesn't mean the racism can't be called out at the same time.
Er... What...? Of course they do. There's literally an entire different visa process for international sportspeople to enable them to be fast tracked through.
Its ECB fault when they already face the same situation( Bashir ) last year during England test tour to india . They haven't learnt any lesson but now playing the victim Card . LolWhy should Indian immigration have caveats for cricket board selections?
Rules are rules. ECB should maybe expedite or work through other channels if they select a player who might have potential visa issues.
What is this 1940 where countries change visa policies for European nations?
Get in line and follow the rule. That’s how it works.
Pak has 0 connection to Israel. Even a lot of Arab countries in direct conflict travel to Israel but Pak has a policy of no travel to Israel. It is what it is. That’s how immigration works.
India has own Visa policy for pakistan haritage peoples and if anyone wants to comes in india that has to follow the rules . period .
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Its ECB fault when they already face the same situation( Bashir ) last year during England test tour to india . They haven't learnt any lesson but now playing the victim Card . Lol
From what I know, Pakistanis in Pakistanis have an easier visa process because usually they are given visa for things like pilgrimage, family events, medical emergency. So it is usually given for that specific city and occasion. If they have to travel to other places in India, they need to report to their local police station or need special permission.
Earlier a lot of Pak origin folks from Europe, USA took advantage of their non-Pak identity: the guy who planned 26/11 was a Pak origin guy who even changed his name to David Headley to deceive Indian authorities.
Since then Indian govt takes Pak origin overseas people a lot more seriously as a threat than resident Pakistanis. The threat from local Pakistanis is in the form of someone illegally entering India to cause chaos not someone who applies for a Visa legally. This kind of legal entry threat comes from overseas origin folk especially British.
Don’t shoot the messenger, this is the exact reason for these tough measures.
They have to just applied for around a week ago. Its not a big deal.Unless you've suddenly found a clairvoyant for the ECB to use there's no way for them to apply for someone's visa before they're even picked.
They have to just applied for around a week ago. Its not a big deal.
They have announced the team 1 month before the tour.
They announced on 21 Dec but they applied for Visa in January .
Its clearly ECB fault .
So Indian aurhtoites were incompetent so they let a potential terrorist loose without checks so blame Indian govtIndian authorities were never aware of Headley's Pakistani heritage, having additional checks for people of that background would have made no difference. The checks were introduced as a smoke screen to deflect blame from the grossly incompetent Indian security services who somehow completely missed the fact he was on terror watchlists and had criminal convictions on 3 continents, which they completely missed. From the response on here it appears people have eaten that up.
There's a world of difference between deliberately slow-tracking a visa on basis of someone's parental origins, and denying a permit to non-EU footballers from countries ranked below 70.Our country,our rules just like how UK denied visa for Sunil Chhetri .
According to the newly launched website of Football Players Association of India, Chhetri was denied permit since India is not in the top 70 in the FIFA rankings and the British government does not grant permit to non European Union players whose country is ranked below 70.
That was the rules for Uk so does india have own rules for pakistan heritage.
@Bhaag Viru Bhaag kuch Bolna hai ?
There's a world of difference between deliberately slow-tracking a visa on basis of someone's parental origins, and denying a permit to non-EU footballers from countries ranked below 70.
One is a discriminatory policy towards one particular national group, the other is not.
It's such a disingenuous comparison that you're better off picking another line of defence.
So Indian aurhtoites were incompetent so they let a potential terrorist loose without checks so blame Indian govt
Now Indian authorities after learning a lesson have made a strict rule based on that and have additional checks and made it difficult for the extremely important English cricketers of Pak origin- so still blame Indian govt.
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Think whatever you want but this is GOI Visa policy for pakistan haritage people just like UK policy.There's a world of difference between deliberately slow-tracking a visa on basis of someone's parental origins, and denying a permit to non-EU footballers from countries ranked below 70.
One is a discriminatory policy towards one particular national group, the other is not.
It's such a disingenuous comparison that you're better off picking another line of defence.
Please tell me you get paid for your services as Chief Online Indian Govt Lawyer as it'd be remarkably sad a grown man is making these ludicrous arguments for free.Saqib Mahmood is of pakistani origin. And his visa application will be treated as a visa application of a Pakistani.
That's our rule. Doesn't matter who he plays for.
Now repeat after me,
A person of pakistani origin is a Pakistani for India, passport doesn't matter.
Don't like our rules. Don't apply for a visa.
The extra 'checks' aren't to find out if someone is of Pakistani origin though, they're literally only carried out if people self declare that they're of Pakistani origin.
If the Indian authorities need over a month to check if someone is on a terror watchlist and has criminal convictions then it appears they've only managed to get even more incompetent since then.