Was Kumar Sangakarra's peak the greatest of all?

The_Odd_One

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Runs
8,950
From 2005 to 2015

Tests:
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Matches = 90
Runs = 9K
Average = 61
100s = 31
50s = 34

Averaged 51 in Australia, 46 in England, and 49 in SA. Overall, he averaged 62 vs Australia, 45 vs England, and 53 vs SA.

ODIs:
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Matches = 281
Runs = 11K
Average = 45
100s = 22
50s = 74

WCs average = 67
Champions Trophy average = 45
Asia cup average = 51
VB series average = 43

Tests and ODIs combined:
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Runs = 20k+
100s = 53
50s = 108

He kept wickets in ODIs too.

What a batsman, what a champion! Has anyone scored more runs across all formats in a decade?
 
Sanga's peak was insane but past ATGs couldn't score as much as they didn't get to play as much.

Tendulkar's 1993-2002 peak was better than Sanga's.

7.7K Test runs at 62 average.
10K ODI runs at 46 average.
60 centuries (27 in tests and 33 in ODIs)

Ponting's 4 year test peak was probably the greatest of them all.
 
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Don't know for a decade, but...

Sachin Tendulkar (1993-2010) - Across 17 years.

TESTS :

Matches : 156
Runs : 13500
Average : 59
100s : 46
50s : 55

ODIS :

Matches : 395
Runs : 16250
Average : 47
100s : 46
50s : 82
 
Yes, greatest batsman of all time,my favourit batsman,most pleasing on eye, a true gentlemen of game and my ideal.
 
People say Chanderpaul is underrated, but this guy is the real underrated batsman.

Maybe because he just recently retired so people haven't been struck with the nostalgia yet, but yeah he is probably one of the best players of spin of all time and also the most elegant. In Asia he was the batsman I mostly feared facing even more than Sehwag. With Sehwag you knew there was always a chance to get him out given the type of route he embarked on in most innings. But with Sanga it was like a slow burn, a chance-less, graceful innings where he didn't look like he'd get out at times.

Even peak Ajmal couldn't dislodge him. I remember that one game where Ajmal dismissed him after a lot of toil and he gave a huge sigh of relief and was yelling and gesturing at Sanga, most I've ever seen Ajmal animated for a pretty cool and calm guy. Sanga was the one bat Ajmal couldn't get on top of.
 
Sanga's peak was insane but past ATGs couldn't score as much as they didn't get to play as much.

Tendulkar's 1993-2002 peak was better than Sanga's.

7.7K Test runs at 62 average.
10K ODI runs at 46 average.
60 centuries (27 in tests and 33 in ODIs)

Ponting's 4 year test peak was probably the greatest of them all.

But Sanga kept wickets in ODIs too.

I know Tendulkar had an insane peak. Ponting's peak I do not think lasted a decade. The criterion here is at least a decade.
 
What about Kallis 1999-2012?

Tests:
136 matches, 11961 runs @ 61.33 with 42 x 100s.

Odis were not so great (because of his sr) but still respectable and if we are counting Sanga's keeping then you have to keep in mind what Kallis also did with the ball.

ODIs:
270 matches, 9892 runs @ 46.22.
 
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What about Kallis 1999-2012?

Tests:
136 matches, 11961 runs @ 61.33 with 42 x 100s.

Odis were not so great (because of his sr) but still respectable and if we are counting Sanga's keeping then you have to keep in mind what Kallis also did with the ball.

ODIs:
270 matches, 9892 runs @ 46.22.

Yes, Kallis was great too but I think Kallis the ODI batsman was definitely below Sanga, the ODI batsman .

So far, Tendulkar, Kallis, and Sanga seem to have comparable peaks.
 
Tendulkar in the 90s, Ponting in the 2000s and Sangakkara in the 2010s - three greatest batting peaks of the modern era.

It's laughable when some people consider Sangakkara a minnow basher and not an ATG.

From Asia, I would only put Tendulkar and Gavaskar ahead of him. By the end of his career, he overtook Dravid and Miandad.
 
People say Chanderpaul is underrated, but this guy is the real underrated batsman.

Maybe because he just recently retired so people haven't been struck with the nostalgia yet, but yeah he is probably one of the best players of spin of all time and also the most elegant. In Asia he was the batsman I mostly feared facing even more than Sehwag. With Sehwag you knew there was always a chance to get him out given the type of route he embarked on in most innings. But with Sanga it was like a slow burn, a chance-less, graceful innings where he didn't look like he'd get out at times.

Even peak Ajmal couldn't dislodge him. I remember that one game where Ajmal dismissed him after a lot of toil and he gave a huge sigh of relief and was yelling and gesturing at Sanga, most I've ever seen Ajmal animated for a pretty cool and calm guy. Sanga was the one bat Ajmal couldn't get on top of.

Sri Lanka are unfortunate to have a smaller cricketing media. If he was Australian, English or Indian we'd never hear the end to the tributes.
 
What about Kallis 1999-2012?

Tests:
136 matches, 11961 runs @ 61.33 with 42 x 100s.

Odis were not so great (because of his sr) but still respectable and if we are counting Sanga's keeping then you have to keep in mind what Kallis also did with the ball.

ODIs:
270 matches, 9892 runs @ 46.22.

kallis started cricket in 1995 and in those days most batsman's strike rate was in 70's. even ganguly, ponting, inzamam and many others batsman's strike rate was in70s. i rhink only sachin, gilly, anwar and jayasurya's sr was in 80s and 90s.
i also think sr is overrated. a 30 ball 40 was lesser innings than a 80 ball 65.
sanga's sr gone up in post 2012.
 
post 2006, kallis sr was 83+
over all 46 average, sr 73 is great before 2010.
 
From 2005 to 2015

Tests:
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Matches = 90
Runs = 9K
Average = 61
100s = 31
50s = 34

Averaged 51 in Australia, 46 in England, and 49 in SA. Overall, he averaged 62 vs Australia, 45 vs England, and 53 vs SA.

ODIs:
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Matches = 281
Runs = 11K
Average = 45
100s = 22
50s = 74

WCs average = 67
Champions Trophy average = 45
Asia cup average = 51
VB series average = 43

Tests and ODIs combined:
----------------------------------
Runs = 20k+
100s = 53
50s = 108

He kept wickets in ODIs too.

What a batsman, what a champion! Has anyone scored more runs across all formats in a decade?

kallis and sachin peak was better than sanga. and ponting's peak was better than all though it was for a short period of time in comparison with the above three.
over all, sachin, kallis, sanga, ponring in that order.
 
What about Lara and Teendu's peak? I look at the overall runs scored that proves Tendu was easily the greatest.
 
Yes, Kallis was great too but I think Kallis the ODI batsman was definitely below Sanga, the ODI batsman .

So far, Tendulkar, Kallis, and Sanga seem to have comparable peaks.

I disagree, Neither kallis was great in ODI nor Sanga was definitely above Kallis in ODI.

PPers get influenced by last few years when overall too many tons were scored in ODI format. As far as Sanga and Kallis goes, not much there if you take overlapping stats. It will remove 90s for Kallis and period for Sanga when Kallis was not playing towards the end.

When both played for 14 years with a large sample size,

Kallis averages 45 with SR of 74
Sanga average 40 with SR of 77


Here is how their rating graph looks like,

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Sanga did very well in the last 3-4 years , but Sanga and Kallis, both were not so gun ODI batsmen. Also, you can't take stats of players from different decades to make a good comparison in ODI format. It has changed a lot. If you take both formats, then SRT was far better batsman than Sanga and Kallis. Hardly any comparison.
 
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I disagree, Neither kallis was great in ODI nor Sanga was definitely above Kallis in ODI.

PPers get influenced by last few years when overall too many tons were scored in ODI format. As far as Sanga and Kallis goes, not much there if you take overlapping stats. It will remove 90s for Kallis and period for Sanga when Kallis was not playing towards the end.

When both played for 14 years with a large sample size,

Kallis averages 45 with SR of 74
Sanga average 40 with SR of 77


Here is how their rating graph looks like,

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Sanga did very well in the last 3-4 years , but Sanga and Kallis, both were not so gun ODI batsmen. Also, you can't take stats of players from different decades to make a good comparison in ODI format. It has changed a lot. If you take both formats, then SRT was far better batsman than Sanga and Kallis. Hardly any comparison.

i disagree with you. both sanga and kallis were great odi batsman. but it is true they are not comparable with sachin, ponting in odi.
they were among the top 5-6 batsman of their time.
 
Can anyone separate Sanga's perfromance from 2005 to 2008 and then from 2008 to 2015?
 
i disagree with you. both sanga and kallis were great odi batsman. but it is true they are not comparable with sachin, ponting in odi.
they were among the top 5-6 batsman of their time.

You can break up periods in decades. In 00s period,

You had Ponting, SRT, Gilly, Dhoni, Hussey, Symonds, Gayle ( avg 41+ and SR 83+), Hayden( avg 40+, SR 80+), Smith( avg 40+ and SR 80+) ...

I listed 8-9 batsmen from my memory and I may be missing few here. Every single of them were better performer in 00s. Now 2010s is ongoing so let's see how it looks when it ends. You have to be among the top 5-6 in some decade to make it among the top 5-6 batsmen. Otherwise, we are not being fair to all other batsmen who did better.

Kallis and Snaga both had SR in lower 70s in 00s. Sanga even had an average of 35 in that period.
 
I disagree, Neither kallis was great in ODI nor Sanga was definitely above Kallis in ODI.

PPers get influenced by last few years when overall too many tons were scored in ODI format. As far as Sanga and Kallis goes, not much there if you take overlapping stats. It will remove 90s for Kallis and period for Sanga when Kallis was not playing towards the end.

When both played for 14 years with a large sample size,

Kallis averages 45 with SR of 74
Sanga average 40 with SR of 77


Here is how their rating graph looks like,

View attachment 70795

Sanga did very well in the last 3-4 years , but Sanga and Kallis, both were not so gun ODI batsmen. Also, you can't take stats of players from different decades to make a good comparison in ODI format. It has changed a lot. If you take both formats, then SRT was far better batsman than Sanga and Kallis. Hardly any comparison.

Sanga's transformation post 2010 was amazing. He was an average ODI batsman until 2010 but in the last 5 years, he batted like a beast and took his ODI average from 35 to almost 42. In last 5 years of his career, Sanga averaged 53 at 85 SR in 142 matches.
 
Played a pretty clutch knock vs England at the 2013 champions trophy.
 
His peak is one the greatest peaks in cricket, can't say it's the best for certain as I didn't see the peaks of some batsmen and bowler in the 90s ane earlier 2000s and in other eras as well.
 
Sanga's transformation post 2010 was amazing. He was an average ODI batsman until 2010 but in the last 5 years, he batted like a beast and took his ODI average from 35 to almost 42. In last 5 years of his career, Sanga averaged 53 at 85 SR in 142 matches.

Let's put it in perspective. His one third of career he was not among the top 10-15 batsmen. Then you had his last 5 years. He retired in 18 mar 2015. So if we pick a period from 18 Mar 2010 to 18 Mar 2015,

Kohli avg 52 with SR of 91
AB avg 65 with SR of 107
Amla avg 57 with SR of 91
Dhoni avg 55 with SR of 87
Dhawan avg 44 with SR of 90
Watson avg 40 with SR of 97
....
....
Sanga averaged 52 with SR of 84

So yes, Sanga scored higher and faster, but you need see it in context. Batsmen were in general scoring higher and faster due to ODI rule change and Sanga surely got better in this period so he also score higher and faster. I only saying that raw stats need to be seen in context in ODIs.

He will be among the top 4-5 batsmen in last 5 years taken together, but he wasn't like the best or the second best batsman in his last 5 years. And that's only 1/3rd of his career. That's why I won't put Sanga as a gun ODI batman for his entire career. Many PPers are going by his last few years where he was a surely a gun ODI batsmen.
 
Not at all..

Tendulkar had a peak phase where he avgd 60+ facing some ATG bowlers in the 90s.

Ponting peak was even better averaging 67 from 2001-07..

I think Kallis/Dravid might also be having bigger peak as their peak came facing better bowlers and playing more games everywhere and against every opposition.

Sanga at his peak is averaging 61 facing good amount of games vs Zim/Ban and at home pitches.
 
Lol @ the OP.

Unless by greatest of all you limit that to the last 20 years.

Obviously Bradman's peaks was the greatest of all time... His whole career was every other great batsmen's peak.
 
If you're only talking the last 25 years or so,

Sangakkara, Kallis, Lara & Ponting had some amazing peak periods.

Ponting around the 2003-2006 period, was about the best I've seen of a batsmen in almost total domination purely from a viewing perspective.
 
Lol @ the OP.

Unless by greatest of all you limit that to the last 20 years.

Obviously Bradman's peaks was the greatest of all time... His whole career was every other great batsmen's peak.

I think he is talking about all formats here. Older era players , who didn't play ODIs, don't come into discussion.
 
I think he is talking about all formats here. Older era players , who didn't play ODIs, don't come into discussion.

Then he shouldn't use 'all" in his question then. Should say last 35 years or something.

Most cricket purists don't care much about ODIs & T20s except that it's some fun entertainment.

The real Test and skill of cricket is Test matches. There's nowhere to hide in Tests, a reason a player like Yuvraj can star with the white ball yet look clueless against the red one.

I personally think all forms of cricket should be judged separately when comparing players, just my opinion on it.

Having said that, if I was forced to combine the 3 games together, I'd give test cricket a 60% weighting, ODIs 30% & T20s 10%, which is representative to how I rate the importance of the 3 codes.

I get other are different. It's interesting that most hardcore fans from Eng;and, Australia, New Zealand & South Africa generally feel the same, whether as I notice Asian fans seems to care as much or sometimes more about ODIs & T20s. I know most women & novice fans do.
 
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Every batting record has to be excluding Bradman - by volume, it's impossible to compare. His worst series was 1932-33 Ashes, when he averaged 57, with 2 hundreds in 4 Tests.

Apart from that, I think Panta's peak 5 years was only bettered by Viv of 1975 to 1980. He lost about 25 Tests to WSC cricket in between the age of 27 to 29; still averaged probably over 65 at a SR close to 80 - that's in 70s & playing only against 5 teams.

In terms of one particular Series, I don't think anyone ever has batted better than Viv of 1979 AUS-WI Series in WI, though by volume, it wasn't that big series.
 
Every batting record has to be excluding Bradman - by volume, it's impossible to compare. His worst series was 1932-33 Ashes, when he averaged 57, with 2 hundreds in 4 Tests.

Apart from that, I think Panta's peak 5 years was only bettered by Viv of 1975 to 1980. He lost about 25 Tests to WSC cricket in between the age of 27 to 29; still averaged probably over 65 at a SR close to 80 - that's in 70s & playing only against 5 teams.

In terms of one particular Series, I don't think anyone ever has batted better than Viv of 1979 AUS-WI Series in WI, though by volume, it wasn't that big series.

My mistake - that FW trophy was played in AUS.
 
Sangakarra was like fine wine. He was a good to very good player but not really a great one for the most part of his career. But he became a great player towards the fag end of his career during which most players decline due to ageing. In ODIs, he was a good player (or even very good) in the Youhana mould before 2010. But after 2010, he became a great player and a top one in ODIs. I know he matured as a player very much in the late part of his career, but I can't help but think he benefited in the new ODI rules era post 2010. He was probably the player who benefited the most from the change in rules.
 
First of all this thread is about tests and Odis combined.

Second, the criterion is e decade, nothing less.

20k runs with over 50 100s and over 100 50s in a decade is a tremendous record.
 
Ponting is my favorite batsman so I'd like to mention he had a pretty amazing peak in tests as well.

1999-2007 (9 Years)

Matches - 80
Runs - 7504
Ave - 65.82
100's - 27
50's - 29

Also his stats from 2002-2007 (6 Years)
Matches - 59
Runs - 6312
Ave - 72.55
100's - 24
50's - 23

Also his peak in ODI's from 2001-2007 (8 years)
Runs - 7177
Ave - 47.13
SR - 85.77
100's - 19
50's - 43

Ponting had an exceptional peak

If you look at his International stats from 2002-2007 (6 Years) they look like this
Matches - 233
Runs - 12'827
Ave - 55.52
100's - 41
50's - 61

An amazing peak he had from 2002-2007 in both formats.

Sangakara's peak was also amazing but if you ask me Ponting's peak was out of this world.

Also Tendulkar's peak was amazing as well.
 
Ponting is my favorite batsman so I'd like to mention he had a pretty amazing peak in tests as well.

1999-2007 (9 Years)

Matches - 80
Runs - 7504
Ave - 65.82
100's - 27
50's - 29

Also his stats from 2002-2007 (6 Years)
Matches - 59
Runs - 6312
Ave - 72.55
100's - 24
50's - 23

Also his peak in ODI's from 2001-2007 (8 years)
Runs - 7177
Ave - 47.13
SR - 85.77
100's - 19
50's - 43

Ponting had an exceptional peak

If you look at his International stats from 2002-2007 (6 Years) they look like this
Matches - 233
Runs - 12'827
Ave - 55.52
100's - 41
50's - 61

An amazing peak he had from 2002-2007 in both formats.

Sangakara's peak was also amazing but if you ask me Ponting's peak was out of this world.

Also Tendulkar's peak was amazing as well.

Agree but it did not last a decade. Also, even in his peak Ponting batted like a tailender in India. Sanga performed everywhere.
 
As if Kallis the batsman was any where near Sanga in LOIs. Quite laughable really. The guy had zero impact zilch. If I was an opposition captain I would have gladly kept him at the crease because he quite often sucked the life out of the innings. Even as an LOI all-rounder I don’t really rate him if I’m being honest. Handy LOI bowler but just not sure where you can fit him in the batting line-up without hurting the team.

Sanga did lack impact early on in ODIs as well but that I would say is mostly down to his role in the team. For example I remember this from back in 2005 - Aus vs World XI (watch from 17th min onwards).


In the SL line-up he was there to hold the fort that was his job in the side for a long time. But towards the end tho he did show that he was capable of playing the attacking role as well with Dilshan taking over the anchor role at the top. That’s where Kallis gets left behind.

When it really mattered Kallis was a no show as well. Not even a single WC ton against the top teams. While Sanga carried the side a lot of the time in major tourneys. He was a big reason why SL got to so many WC and tournament finals post 2000 plus has a MOTM grand final knock to go with it.

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So all in all it’s not even a contest really. Sanga has ticked off many more boxes. In Tests tho as batsmen alone it’s a close one. You can make a fair case either way. Obviously as cricketers however Kallis is well ahead. One of the greatest ever right up there with Sobers and Imran for mine.
 
Not at all..

Tendulkar had a peak phase where he avgd 60+ facing some ATG bowlers in the 90s.

Ponting peak was even better averaging 67 from 2001-07..

I think Kallis/Dravid might also be having bigger peak as their peak came facing better bowlers and playing more games everywhere and against every opposition.

Sanga at his peak is averaging 61 facing good amount of games vs Zim/Ban and at home pitches.

That's just a load of nonsense. From the time he gave up the gloves for good in 2006 till the 2015 WC.

Overall 8.4k Test runs @ 67

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Against the top teams 6.4k Test runs @ 62

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He did pile on the runs against minnows and at home as you would expect out of any top bat but it's not like players get to choose t who and where they play. Not every team gets the same opportunities. As you can see quite clearly he did very well against the rest and away as well. So let's not post bs.
 
Sanga had way more impact as a batsman than Kallis in LOIs. Just from seeing both bat and not considering their stats.
 
As if Kallis the batsman was any where near Sanga in LOIs. Quite laughable really. The guy had zero impact zilch. If I was an opposition captain I would have gladly kept him at the crease because he quite often sucked the life out of the innings. Even as an LOI all-rounder I don’t really rate him if I’m being honest. Handy LOI bowler but just not sure where you can fit him in the batting line-up without hurting the team.

Sanga did lack impact early on in ODIs as well but that I would say is mostly down to his role in the team. For example I remember this from back in 2005 - Aus vs World XI (watch from 17th min onwards).


In the SL line-up he was there to hold the fort that was his job in the side for a long time. But towards the end tho he did show that he was capable of playing the attacking role as well with Dilshan taking over the anchor role at the top. That’s where Kallis gets left behind.

When it really mattered Kallis was a no show as well. Not even a single WC ton against the top teams. While Sanga carried the side a lot of the time in major tourneys. He was a big reason why SL got to so many WC and tournament finals post 2000 plus has a MOTM grand final knock to go with it.

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So all in all it’s not even a contest really. Sanga has ticked off many more boxes. In Tests tho as batsmen alone it’s a close one. You can make a fair case either way. Obviously as cricketers however Kallis is well ahead. One of the greatest ever right up there with Sobers and Imran for mine.

impact is a rubbish thing in cricket. you can win a match by playing a 70 of 80 ball, even 100 of 125 ball.
50 of 25 ball is not always required.
 
impact is a rubbish thing in cricket. you can win a match by playing a 70 of 80 ball, even 100 of 125 ball.
50 of 25 ball is not always required.

Quite the opposite actually. In all forms and in most sports.
 
Kallis was like the modern-day Barrington :))
 
Sanga without gloves was a super beast.

Likely because many ATG bowlers retired post 2007 and flatter pitches.Also if you take out any players formative years out of the game the stats look better.So if we are only talking peaks here this is justified but if you are comparing overall careers of players then dont think its justified to choose only a part of Sanga's career and comparing it with the rest.
 
Don't know for a decade, but...

Sachin Tendulkar (1993-2010) - Across 17 years.

TESTS :

Matches : 156
Runs : 13500
Average : 59
100s : 46
50s : 55

ODIS :

Matches : 395
Runs : 16250
Average : 47
100s : 46
50s : 82

break it down like OP has done for Sanga.
 
That's just a load of nonsense. From the time he gave up the gloves for good in 2006 till the 2015 WC.

Overall 8.4k Test runs @ 67

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Against the top teams 6.4k Test runs @ 62

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He did pile on the runs against minnows and at home as you would expect out of any top bat but it's not like players get to choose t who and where they play. Not every team gets the same opportunities. As you can see quite clearly he did very well against the rest and away as well. So let's not post bs.

I didn't checked the stats actually.

OP posted an avg of 61 between 2005-15 and I went with that.Now there will be good amount of runs vs Ban/Zim and a little more % of games at home or in Asia. So that's why I went with that.

Didn't knew he avgs 67 in a span of 10 years.That is great number for sure. Kudos to him.
 
Sanga was probably one of the best left-handed batsman I've ever seen, he's been amazing against top bowling attacks and that includes his fantastic record against Pak. To top it off, he's really handy with the gloves on too.
 
Not at all. Ponting and Sehwag have been the two greatest peaks I witnessed. Sachin in 90s must have been special too.
 
Sanga was probably one of the best left-handed batsman I've ever seen, he's been amazing against top bowling attacks and that includes his fantastic record against Pak.

Aus, SA, Eng and NZ had the top attacks apart from Pakistan and no one will dispute that. India and WI were mainly good bowling unit at home and no one will call them a top bowling attack when playing away.

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Sanga had an amazing record vs Pakistan with an average of 74, but I won't say that he was amazing vs top bowing units in his entire career against top bowling attacks. Sure, he has played some gems against top bowling attacks, but over all he hasn't been amazing against anyone except Pakistan.
 
Definitely better than any of the current era batsmen although young guns like Smith/Root have potential to surpass that.

Not all time though.Many in past had better peak.
 
Sachin in the 90s topped with 1998 was something special.

He was unstoppable that year.
 
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