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Kumar Sangakkara versus Sachin Tendulkar: Sangakkara outshines Tendulkar in numbers

Since thread is about stats, stats at every host country for both.

In India : Sanga Avg 36 vs SRT Avg 52
In SL : Sanga Avg 60 vs SRT Avg 68
In Eng : Sanga Avg 41 vs SRT Avg 54
In SA : Sanga Avg 35 vs SRT Avg 46
In WI : Sanga Avg 34 vs SRT Avg 48
In BD : Sanga Avg 78 vs SRT Avg 136

In Aus : Sanga Avg 60 vs SRT Avg 53
In Zim : Sanga Avg 140 vs SRT Avg 40
In Pak : Sanga Avg 86 vs SRT Avg 40

In 6 venues SRT averges higher and 3 venues Sanga averages higher.
 
Buffet said:
Anyone making this argument has not watched both players play or just does not understand test cricket.
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Sachin was unmatched in odi, but he was nowhere close to being the best test player.

That's the God honest truth
 
Buffet said:
Anyone making this argument has not watched both players play or just does not understand test cricket.
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Sanga scored vast majority of his runs on 2 grounds. Also played during the flattest era in cricket history where so many guys were averaging 50s. Also hardly played long series against top teams overseas as SL played 1 test, 2 tests something like that. The pitches in the 90s were whole different game. Newlands pitch where India was struggling at 58/5 he added 222 runs in 170 balls or so with Azharuddin with brutal counter attacking innings of 169 only to be stopped by one handed catch on the boundary. Then that counter attacking knock of 155 against Warne at chennai on day 4 pitch. Then that another counter attacking knock when India was 68/4 where he added 220 with sehwag in SA. The quality of TEndulkar innings in his will leave Sangakkara to dust. You are right. Many have not watched his mastery in the 90s. They just go by cricinfo stats. Tendulkar is on different stratosphere compared to sangakkara.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
From 2006-2009 was particularly an off phase for him. He got out to Mohammad Amir cheaply in CT 2009.
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In ODIs, between Jan 1, 2006 and Dec 31st 2009, Tendulkar averaged over 47.5 runs an innings, 3 runs more than his career average and against Pakistan he averaged over 50 runs an innings.

In Tests in his “off phase”, he averaged over 48 runs an innings.
 
Kumar Sangakkara as England's white-ball coach, yes or no?

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Speaking to a British news outlet, Kumar Sangakkara revealed his enthusiasm for the role, citing the opportunity to work with a talented English squad and contribute to their success:

"Well, I know (my name) has been mentioned for some reason, but there has not been any approach as such."

"I think the England white-ball job is an exciting prospect for anyone, but there are so many good candidates out there. I think Matthew Mott has done a really good job."

"It is great that Jos Buttler is staying in that leadership role as the side progresses because it is a nice time from what the side is — and was — and how it wants to progress in the future."

"I think the decision making in the England camp has been spot on. I really love the leadership that Rob Key has provided in the background because he hates being in front of the cameras after finishing his commentary stint."

"I think he has been a really smart, practical man, very commonsensical in terms of how he makes decisions and very forward-thinking in how he has set the vision for England cricket."

"Everyone who is aligned with it has found success and anyone coming in, I don't think the job is going to be too much of a task, but it is just about getting the best out of a very deep and able talent pool."

"They are getting younger players in, the senior players are constantly performing, but at the same time there is an aspect of moving on and understanding what needs to change, what has worked, what needs to be kept and also looking at new directions or new trends that need to be incorporated."

"Perhaps a slightly different way of playing maybe? But that is all to be seen. I think currently in terms of the state of England cricket, I think it is in a very, very healthy state."
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Sanga scored vast majority of his runs on 2 grounds. Also played during the flattest era in cricket history where so many guys were averaging 50s. Also hardly played long series against top teams overseas as SL played 1 test, 2 tests something like that. The pitches in the 90s were whole different game. Newlands pitch where India was struggling at 58/5 he added 222 runs in 170 balls or so with Azharuddin with brutal counter attacking innings of 169 only to be stopped by one handed catch on the boundary. Then that counter attacking knock of 155 against Warne at chennai on day 4 pitch. Then that another counter attacking knock when India was 68/4 where he added 220 with sehwag in SA. The quality of TEndulkar innings in his will leave Sangakkara to dust. You are right. Many have not watched his mastery in the 90s. They just go by cricinfo stats. Tendulkar is on different stratosphere compared to sangakkara.
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Yeah Sanga should be compare with Yk an rahul dravid, tendulkar is on another level to all of them.
 
Sanga imo was the best wicket keeper batsmen, I would rate him slightly ahead of Gilly.
 
Sangakarra never really played any match-winning inning like Sachin did. Although, I think Sangakarra is better in red ball format.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Sangakarra never really played any match-winning inning like Sachin did. Although, I think Sangakarra is better in red ball format.
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To be fair a match winner is determined by how rest of the team has performed..

Imo SRTs 137 vs Pakistan in Chennai is the greatest match winning effort by a batsmen.. However Rahul Dravid did zilch, Ganguly was given out on the greatest bumped catch by Moin Khan (one of the greatest disgrace in Test cricket)...
 
sweep_shot said:
In terms of impact, Sanga wins. In terms of stats, Tendulkar wins.

This is how I see it.
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in terms of stats tendulkar also loses.

Thats why Indians are now resorting to immeasurable stuff like oh Tendulkar had the pressure of 1.4 bn people every time he batted, oh the rest of the team is rubbish tendulkar carried them and oh bradman praised Tendulkar.
 
Pretty incorrect way of looking.

In terms of stats, its Sangakkara.
In terms of performance in tough conditions, it's Tendulkar.

sweep_shot said:
In terms of impact, Sanga wins. In terms of stats, Tendulkar wins.

This is how I see it.
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Ab Fan said:
Pretty incorrect way of looking.

In terms of stats, its Sangakkara.
In terms of performance in tough conditions, it's Tendulkar.
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Outstanding performances, there is no comparison because Sanga has grand total of zero MOM in Aus, Eng, SA, NZ, WI.

But did he really have better stats?

Outside Asia:

Sanga avg in Aus/Eng/SA/NZ/WI was 44
SRT Avg in Aus/Eng/SA/NZ/WI was 50

Since SL and Ind was home for both,

Sanga Avg in SL:60 in Ind: 36

SRT avg in SL : 68 in Ind : 53


Yes, Sanga aggregate average is higher but that's function of playing in roads in SL and having lots of game agaisnt BD. Sachin actually outbats Sanga in roads of SL and also against BD by some margin( Sanga vs BD avg 95, SRT is 136). Only difference is that Sanga had 80-85 games in roads of SL + against BD but SRT had less than 20 games in roads of SL and agaisnt BD. Naturally aggreagte average will go up if you play 80-85 games on roads + against BD. Hardly means that stats are better. Stats wise, He was clearly outbatted by SRT outside Asia, in SL and in Ind.

Sanga did clearly better against Pakistan. But over all saying that Sanga has better stats hardly stands up to closer look unless stats starts and ends with aggregage career average.

Sanga was a very good batsman and clearly the best from SL, but simply does not belong in the same league as SRT.
 
If we look at overall impact and abilities, SRT is 1 level above Sanga.

Sanga is a better test test players but still, sachin takes the lead in every condisiton.
 
Buffet said:
Outstanding performances, there is no comparison because Sanga has grand total of zero MOM in Aus, Eng, SA, NZ, WI.

But did he really have better stats?

Outside Asia:

Sanga avg in Aus/Eng/SA/NZ/WI was 44
SRT Avg in Aus/Eng/SA/NZ/WI was 50

Since SL and Ind was home for both,

Sanga Avg in SL:60 in Ind: 36

SRT avg in SL : 68 in Ind : 53


Yes, Sanga aggregate average is higher but that's function of playing in roads in SL and having lots of game agaisnt BD. Sachin actually outbats Sanga in roads of SL and also against BD by some margin( Sanga vs BD avg 95, SRT is 136). Only difference is that Sanga had 80-85 games in roads of SL + against BD but SRT had less than 20 games in roads of SL and agaisnt BD. Naturally aggreagte average will go up if you play 80-85 games on roads + against BD. Hardly means that stats are better. Stats wise, He was clearly outbatted by SRT outside Asia, in SL and in Ind.

Sanga did clearly better against Pakistan. But over all saying that Sanga has better stats hardly stands up to closer look unless stats starts and ends with aggregage career average.

Sanga was a very good batsman and clearly the best from SL, but simply does not belong in the same league as SRT.
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Agreed completely.

Let's see what counter does our little brother, @sweep_shot got on this.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Kumar Sangakkara as England's white-ball coach, yes or no?

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Speaking to a British news outlet, Kumar Sangakkara revealed his enthusiasm for the role, citing the opportunity to work with a talented English squad and contribute to their success:

"Well, I know (my name) has been mentioned for some reason, but there has not been any approach as such."

"I think the England white-ball job is an exciting prospect for anyone, but there are so many good candidates out there. I think Matthew Mott has done a really good job."

"It is great that Jos Buttler is staying in that leadership role as the side progresses because it is a nice time from what the side is — and was — and how it wants to progress in the future."

"I think the decision making in the England camp has been spot on. I really love the leadership that Rob Key has provided in the background because he hates being in front of the cameras after finishing his commentary stint."

"I think he has been a really smart, practical man, very commonsensical in terms of how he makes decisions and very forward-thinking in how he has set the vision for England cricket."

"Everyone who is aligned with it has found success and anyone coming in, I don't think the job is going to be too much of a task, but it is just about getting the best out of a very deep and able talent pool."

"They are getting younger players in, the senior players are constantly performing, but at the same time there is an aspect of moving on and understanding what needs to change, what has worked, what needs to be kept and also looking at new directions or new trends that need to be incorporated."

"Perhaps a slightly different way of playing maybe? But that is all to be seen. I think currently in terms of the state of England cricket, I think it is in a very, very healthy state."
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As per reports:

ECB is eyeing Kumar Sangakkara for their white-ball head coach role, with Rahul Dravid potentially succeeding him at Rajasthan Royals.

GT is expected to overhaul their coaching staff before the mega auction, possibly leading to Ashish Nehra stepping down as head coach.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Sanga has performed in finals while Sachin record there is not very good.
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It's other way around. SRT elevated his game in finals. Sanga did worse than his career figures. They are just not in the same league in career and in finals gap is actually bigger.

In finals,

Sanga : Avg 39 - SR 74
SRT : Avg 54 - SR 87


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Buffet said:
Outstanding performances, there is no comparison because Sanga has grand total of zero MOM in Aus, Eng, SA, NZ, WI.

But did he really have better stats?

Outside Asia:

Sanga avg in Aus/Eng/SA/NZ/WI was 44
SRT Avg in Aus/Eng/SA/NZ/WI was 50

Since SL and Ind was home for both,

Sanga Avg in SL:60 in Ind: 36

SRT avg in SL : 68 in Ind : 53


Yes, Sanga aggregate average is higher but that's function of playing in roads in SL and having lots of game agaisnt BD. Sachin actually outbats Sanga in roads of SL and also against BD by some margin( Sanga vs BD avg 95, SRT is 136). Only difference is that Sanga had 80-85 games in roads of SL + against BD but SRT had less than 20 games in roads of SL and agaisnt BD. Naturally aggreagte average will go up if you play 80-85 games on roads + against BD. Hardly means that stats are better. Stats wise, He was clearly outbatted by SRT outside Asia, in SL and in Ind.

Sanga did clearly better against Pakistan. But over all saying that Sanga has better stats hardly stands up to closer look unless stats starts and ends with aggregage career average.

Sanga was a very good batsman and clearly the best from SL, but simply does not belong in the same league as SRT.
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Sanga never faced Wasim or Saqlain...
 
I think SRT had better stats than Sanga. Sanga is a great player no doubt about that but SRT has an edge over him.
 
Root definitely will join the ranks of Sangakara and Tendulkar in Test in future if he does not lose his way.
 
Both played in the same era in test, and sanga not only has far far far superior numbers when it comes to avg, his no of test centuries would surpass sachin had he played 200 test games. 38 centuries in 134 test games, I don't think I need to tell you how good that is.

Problem is Indian mafia will go into great lengths and use their own filters. For Example they'll show how Sachin averages 40 to 60 to against every team in every country while sanga averages 35 in some countries like SA, India, West Indies etc.

However when you bring up his 60 to 100 averages in certain countries like Pakistan, Australia etc which is something Sachin isn't remotely close in, All that is magically seen as stat padding and some other nonsense.

If Sachin was the God of everything, what was stopping him from bullying those teams like samga did and putting them into the mud?

I've seen Indians do this alot, for Sachin it's about consistency which puts him > Certain one team only bullies, but for some of their other players, that logic gets thrown out the window and suddenly being inconsistent is totally okay because no one can smash said team like a certain player could.

No disrespect to Sachin, But let's be honest, Sanga and Sachin are in the exact same tier of test cricket. I repeat the exact same tier.

Indians need to stop pretending like Sachin is their father with certain comments even going so far as to discredit bradman by saying the bowling is rubbish and apprantly Larwood is only a 140kph bowler who's rubbish because clearly Indians have speed guns on their 144p quality footage for YouTube.
 
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Sanga has done alot of things better then Sachin even if his avg is in the 30's playing in 3 countries.

But Ik Indians have excuses for everything

- Sanga has a 300

^^ Indian excuse: You don't understand test cricket, Sachin scored runs for his team, not for his 300.

- Sanga has a higher avg

^^ Indian excuse: You don't understand test cricket, Sanga padded.

- Sanga Avg 60 on Australia compared to Sachin avg 51

^^ Indian Excuse: You don't understand the prowess of the bowling Sachin faced which magically disappeared when Sanga was on.

Theirs an excuse for everything because Sachin is everyone's father, He's even Bradman's father, How dare bradman only invite him for tea, he should have shined his shoes and cleaned his house as well.
 
I will put both Sanga and SRT in the same tier. Great players. with some solid techniques and their performances speak for themselves.

Only if Sanga had played the same number of games, I would have compared them and judged them on an equal basis. Right now, they are both top-tier player for me.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sanga has done alot of things better then Sachin even if his avg is in the 30's playing in 3 countries.

But Ik Indians have excuses for everything

- Sanga has a 300

^^ Indian excuse: You don't understand test cricket, Sachin scored runs for his team, not for his 300.

- Sanga has a higher avg

^^ Indian excuse: You don't understand test cricket, Sanga padded.

- Sanga Avg 60 on Australia compared to Sachin avg 51

^^ Indian Excuse: You don't understand the prowess of the bowling Sachin faced which magically disappeared when Sanga was on.

Theirs an excuse for everything because Sachin is everyone's father, He's even Bradman's father, How dare bradman only invite him for tea, he should have shined his shoes and cleaned his house as well.
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I dont like Sachin one bit. But sanga is a stat padder. Never performed. Vs a top side in a match winning cause. I will never rate him above Sachin

He is not even pietersen level.
 
mominsaigol said:
Both played in the same era in test, and sanga not only has far far far superior numbers when it comes to avg, his no of test centuries would surpass sachin had he played 200 test games. 38 centuries in 134 test games, I don't think I need to tell you how good that is.

Problem is Indian mafia will go into great lengths and use their own filters. For Example they'll show how Sachin averages 40 to 60 to against every team in every country while sanga averages 35 in some countries like SA, India, West Indies etc.

However when you bring up his 60 to 100 averages in certain countries like Pakistan, Australia etc which is something Sachin isn't remotely close in, All that is magically seen as stat padding and some other nonsense.

If Sachin was the God of everything, what was stopping him from bullying those teams like samga did and putting them into the mud?

I've seen Indians do this alot, for Sachin it's about consistency which puts him > Certain one team only bullies, but for some of their other players, that logic gets thrown out the window and suddenly being inconsistent is totally okay because no one can smash said team like a certain player could.

No disrespect to Sachin, But let's be honest, Sanga and Sachin are in the exact same tier of test cricket. I repeat the exact same tier.

Indians need to stop pretending like Sachin is their father with certain comments even going so far as to discredit bradman by saying the bowling is rubbish and apprantly Larwood is only a 140kph bowler who's rubbish because clearly Indians have speed guns on their 144p quality footage for YouTube.
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All old timbers are all frauds. Anything before 80s are a joke.

Amateur era fodders.
 
kron said:
I dont like Sachin one bit. But sanga is a stat padder. Never performed. Vs a top side in a match winning cause. I will never rate him above Sachin

He is not even pietersen level.
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Stat padder in odi, not in test.
 
kron said:
I dont like Sachin one bit. But sanga is a stat padder. Never performed. Vs a top side in a match winning cause. I will never rate him above Sachin

He is not even pietersen level.
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Match winning causes? He hardly performed against toughest home teams in their den, forget about winning or losing.

Since 1990, we have top 4 teams in W/L at home - Aus/SA/Eng/Ind 5th is SL in this period, but let's ignore SL and stick to top 4.

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Here is record of all batsmen in den of Aus/SA/Eng/Ind in this period. Sanga has 5 tons in 4 toughest 4 countries with Avg of 41.

Look at some other batsmen with 50 plus average: SRT, Lara, Smith, Waugh -- All were certified greats who belong in top tier with avg of 50+ agasint top 4 teams and not just stats of avg but scored heavily with plenty of tons.

You can't be rated very high as bowler or batsman if you don't score heavily or pick plenty of 5-fers against 3-4 strongest home teams.





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Sanga was not a stats padder, just lacked the ability to go big against top sides in their dens.
 
Top tier batsmen score heavily against toughest teams in their den. I wouldn't expect SL to win many away tests in Ind/Aus/SA/Eng , but as a top tier batsmen you should be able to score heavily on those places.
 
Buffet said:
Match winning causes? He hardly performed against toughest home teams in their den, forget about winning or losing.

Since 1990, we have top 4 teams in W/L at home - Aus/SA/Eng/Ind 5th is SL in this period, but let's ignore SL and stick to top 4.

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Here is record of all batsmen in den of Aus/SA/Eng/Ind in this period. Sanga has 5 tons in 4 toughest 4 countries with Avg of 41.

Look at some other batsmen with 50 plus average: SRT, Lara, Smith, Waugh -- All were certified greats who belong in top tier with avg of 50+ agasint top 4 teams and not just stats of avg but scored heavily with plenty of tons.

You can't be rated very high as bowler or batsman if you don't score heavily or pick plenty of 5-fers against 3-4 strongest home teams.





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Sanga was not a stats padder, just lacked the ability to go big against top sides in their dens.
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Have seen him play enough. He is fodder vs top teams. I never rated sanga. Sachin is 10 times better.
 
Threads like these are important sometimes to have deeper understanding of the real cricketing intellect of posters. Everyone is a fan but very few are knowledgeable about the game. This is important to avoid potential wastage of time in debates or possible arguements.

Sangakkara is barely a Top 50 level international cricketer all time and it’s no disrespect to him because it is an extremely exclusive list after 150 years b of cricket.

Tendulkar is a solid contender for #1 spot and a definite Top 3.

No amount of hate can change that. So, deal with it.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Threads like these are important sometimes to have deeper understanding of the real cricketing intellect of posters. Everyone is a fan but very few are knowledgeable about the game. This is important to avoid potential wastage of time in debates or possible arguements.

Sangakkara is barely a Top 50 level international cricketer all time and it’s no disrespect to him because it is an extremely exclusive list after 150 years b of cricket.

Tendulkar is a solid contender for #1 spot and a definite Top 3.

No amount of hate can change that. So, deal with it.
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As long as Bradman exists. Sachin will never be a top contender.

None of these guys would have been able to play chuckwood even with modern era tech.

Dude was throwing 160 to 165KPH at a person's face and body and all they had was horrible bat and zero equipment to deal qith it. Theirs a reason no one even averages 10 against him except bradman who averaged 56.

He was banned after that but bradman even showed raw footage in 1960 of Larwood chucking and verbatim throwing it

It's just speed guns didn't exist in said era and Larwood was banned anyway so it wasn't documented.
 
mominsaigol said:
As long as Bradman exists. Sachin will never be a top contender.

None of these guys would have been able to play chuckwood even with modern era tech.

Dude was throwing 160 to 165KPH at a person's face and body and all they had was horrible bat and zero equipment to deal qith it. Theirs a reason no one even averages 10 against him except bradman who averaged 56.

He was banned after that but bradman even showed raw footage in 1960 of Larwood chucking and verbatim throwing it

It's just speed guns didn't exist in said era and Larwood was banned anyway so it wasn't documented.
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That I completely agree with. As long as Bradman's name is there (it'll be there for eternity), no one can challenge him for the top spot as a batsman. Neither Sachin, nor Sobers, G. Pollock, Barry Richards, George Headley, Viv or Lara, nor anyone else. Although I'll agree that Sir Garfield Sobers can anyday challenge him for the spot of the greatest cricketer ever. And Ian Chappell and a lot of people agree with me.

Bradman is the undisputed #1 batsman by a kilo country mile. No one comes even close.
 
Mamoon said:
If he did, he probably wouldn’t have done worse than Tendulkar who averaged 40 odd vs Pakistan in Test.

Pakistan reduced him to an okayish batsman at best.
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That 194 inflates that avg tbh. Sachin was bang avg in pakistan. Not a bad player but defo overhyped.
 
Sanga is very underrated sadly, he is superior to Tendulkar in my eyes and is a gentleman and great ambassador off the field too.
 
mominsaigol said:
That 194 inflates that avg tbh. Sachin was bang avg in pakistan. Not a bad player but defo overhyped.
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He was also bang average vs Pakistan in India save for the Chennai Test where he bottled it in the end.

The funny bit is that wasn’t even the best innings of the match yet India’s overhype that match losing effort as some ATG knock.
 
Kumar Sangakkara was a top top class player undoubtedly, even better than the freakish extraordinary talent that Mr.360, AB de Villiers was but fact of the matter remains that when you compare them against the very best in the business, they will fall short in front of him.

Tendulkar is in a different league altogether fulfilling all possible factors of greatness. Runs tally, test batting average, performance vs top 3 sides, top 5 sides, top 10 sides whatever. World Cup performance, ODI batting average, ODI runs tally, performance vs Pakistan in World Cup games, performance vs Australia in Test cricket, he is in a different league altogether. He has created an everlasting legacy and bestowed the SWENA cricketers like none could even imagine of back in the days.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Sanga played most of his games in 2000s which was the flattest era in the history of test cricket, 20+ batsmen averaged above 50 in the 2000s compared to just 3 in the 90s, those 3 being Sachin (58), Lara (52) and Steve Waugh (50.5). Sachin and Lara had declined by 2000s while mediocrity from 90s like Kallis, Dravid, Ponting boosted their numbers. Statistically 80s, 90s and 2016 to present day are the toughest eras for batting.

Samaraweera, Dilshan, Mahela average more than Aravinda who is easily the second greatest batsman from Sri Lanka. Sehwag averages almost same as Gavaskar and much more than a technical master like Boycott, even he will be embarrassed if this stat gets brought up in front of the great Sunny G. Guys like Jayawardene, Yousuf average more than Kohli, Root, Inzi (played bulk of his cricket in 90s).

Likewise bowlers who played majority of their cricket in 2000s had it tougher.
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You associate Dravid & Ponting with mediocrity??? Interesting.
 
Mamoon said:
He was also bang average vs Pakistan in India save for the Chennai Test where he bottled it in the end.

The funny bit is that wasn’t even the best innings of the match yet India’s overhype that match losing effort as some ATG knock.
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To be fair Moin Khan taking the greatest bumped catch of all time may have been the difference between a win or a loss in that Chennai test match..
 
Ab Fan said:
Kumar Sangakkara was a top top class player undoubtedly, even better than the freakish extraordinary talent that Mr.360, AB de Villiers was but fact of the matter remains that when you compare them against the very best in the business, they will fall short in front of him.

Tendulkar is in a different league altogether fulfilling all possible factors of greatness. Runs tally, test batting average, performance vs top 3 sides, top 5 sides, top 10 sides whatever. World Cup performance, ODI batting average, ODI runs tally, performance vs Pakistan in World Cup games, performance vs Australia in Test cricket, he is in a different league altogether. He has created an everlasting legacy and bestowed the SWENA cricketers like none could even imagine of back in the days.
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No offence, but this sounds like a chatgpt Ai response
 
Ab Fan said:
That's strange. Quite a few points there which an AI surely won't respond like.
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Ever lasting legacy, Bestowed, None could even Imagine, fulfilling all possible factors of greatness.
 
Sachinistas never liked being pulled up.

Well, lies run a sprint, but the truth runs a marathon!

Tendulkar's legacy will be exposed as one simple footnote truth - the longer you bat, the more likely you are to score runs. This simple truth is also substantiated by multiple centuries against the mighty Kenya and blistering Namibia.

There is zero value in Tendulkar's runs but maximum sensationalism!

The most overrated batsman in cricketing history, not worthy of a top 10 spot.
 
mominsaigol said:
No offence, but this sounds like a chatgpt Ai response
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Hahah, we can all have a go, let’s see what we come up with on ChatGPT


### Tendulkar vs. Sangakkara

**Test Averages and Performance Discrepancy:**

When breaking down the raw numbers, Kumar Sangakkara's Test average of 57.40 starkly outshines Sachin Tendulkar’s 53.78. This discrepancy isn’t trivial—it’s a glaring indication of who was more efficient and consistent at the crease. Sangakkara didn’t just edge out Tendulkar; he left him behind, especially post-establishment in their respective teams, where Sangakkara’s average soared above 60.

**Struggle in Challenging Conditions:**

Tendulkar’s batting in countries like Australia and South Africa, where pitches favor fast and bouncing balls, reveals vulnerabilities. His averages in these nations—53 in Australia and 46 in South Africa—are markedly lower than his career average, suggesting a struggle against top-quality pace attacks. Meanwhile, Sangakkara’s ability to maintain a nearly 60 average in Australia illustrates superior skill and adaptability.

**Conversion Rates—Turning Starts into Big Scores:**

Sangakkara's conversion rate from fifties to hundreds eclipses Tendulkar's, underscoring a critical aspect of Test batting—capitalizing on starts. Sangakkara was not only getting starts; he was converting them into match-defining innings far more frequently than Tendulkar, which is pivotal in assessing their impact in matches.

**Under Pressure—Who Delivers?**

Crucially, Sangakkara’s knack for scoring in key ICC matches and finals further cements his status. Unlike Tendulkar, whose performances often dipped in World Cup finals and critical encounters, Sangakkara consistently stepped up, showcasing a temperament for the big stage that Tendulkar seemed to lack. This is not just a minor flaw in Tendulkar’s legacy; it’s a significant dent, considering the expectations placed on a player of his caliber.

### **Conclusion**

The assessment is clear: Kumar Sangakkara not only matched but frequently surpassed Sachin Tendulkar in Test cricket on several fronts. His superior average, particularly in challenging conditions, along with a higher conversion rate of fifties to hundreds and clutch performances in critical matches, highlight a cricketer who maximized his skills and opportunities more effectively than Tendulkar. While Tendulkar compiled runs, Sangakkara’s runs often came when they mattered most, making him the more impactful player in the toughest moments. The numbers and the moments that mattered tell the real story, and in this head-to-head comparison, Sangakkara comes out on top.
 
Oh man people who were started watching cricket post 2010 and 2015 are judging player's just by stats . :ssmith
 
Stats is showing that Imam has better ODI number than Tendulkar so he is better player than Tendulkar

Adam voges has better test number than any australian players bar Bradman so he is better than anyone else. :kp
 
Devadwal said:
Stats is showing that Imam has better ODI number than Tendulkar so he is better player than Tendulkar

Adam voges has better test number than any australian players bar Bradman so he is better than anyone else. :kp
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I would say Sanga is slightly better than Brian Lara overall as a batsman.
 
Devadwal said:
Stats is showing that Imam has better ODI number than Tendulkar so he is better player than Tendulkar

Adam voges has better test number than any australian players bar Bradman so he is better than anyone else. :kp
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Stats also show that Laxman is a clown but he's proclaimed as crisesman according to a certain Indian dummy.
 
One thing I can give to Sangakkara was that he was certainly more cheekier than Sachin.

The way he fooled Mohammad Hafeez by giving him an illusion that he is well short of his crease and has been stumped was quite frankly very Sanga like thing. Hafeez was made to look like clown by him.
 
Sangakarra in the disciplines he was involved in was just a complete cricketer.

Great batsman
Great keeper
Great captain
Great athlete
High IQ moments
Great sledger
Thinking cricketer
Great speaker

Tendulkar, apart from his stat padding:

Lollipop bowler
Awkward athleticism - has anyone seen him chase a ball to the boundary
Useless captain
Couldn’t sledge to save his life
I don’t remember any high IQ moments
Poor speaker
 
So basically Sanga stat padded against Pakistani and Zimbabwean trundlers.

No wonder PPers rate him so highly, he performed against their two favourite teams.
 
If you look at Sanga average as a keeper and not as a keeper you can see a massive difference.

The burden of keeping took a toll on him at times. Look at his record when he was not playing as a keeper ( players with minimum 60 matches) and its just frightening.

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DeadlyVenom said:
If you look at Sanga average as a keeper and not as a keeper you can see a massive difference.

The burden of keeping took a toll on him at times. Look at his record when he was not playing as a keeper ( players with minimum 60 matches) and its just frightening.

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That is just mental. Not a small sample size either. 86 matches is a career for a lot of players. Great spot!
 
Hold on, Sanga is the new one today?

After Dravid, Root and Lara for past few weeks

:uakmal
 
Rajdeep said:
Hold on, Sanga is the new one today?

After Dravid, Root and Lara for past few weeks

:uakmal
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It was Lara throughout the 90's, then came Ponting, Kallis, Sangakkara, Cook .... and now Root. Their adopted fathers keep changing.

Remember them salivating and already celebrating in 2007 when Ponting was close to averaging 60? LOL, someone of his foster sons were already dancing how he'll score 60 Test centuries and end up with 18,000 Test runs.
 
Steve Smith (2014-2020) and Sangakkara (without gloves) are the two greatest Test batsmen of the last 50 years. Both are clear of Tendulkar.

No matter how much noise Indian fans make, it won’t change the reality. Tendulkar is simply not in a different class to other 50+ averaging batsmen.

It is very simple. A career average of 53.78 has been matched and bettered by a plethora of batsmen which shows that in terms of skill and ability, he was not above others.

Indians talk about him as if he averaged 75 and there was a clear gulf between him and others. There isn’t.

What is the difference between Tendulkar the batsman and James Anderson the bowler? Nothing really.

Both were excellent in their respective roles but they were not in a different league by any means, and apart from most runs/centuries and most 4 fers + 5 fers in history for a pacer, they don’t have any records or achievements that make them stand out from the crowd, and these records are a by-product of the number of matches that they played.

In some ways, Anderson’s achievement is more impressive because playing 188 Test matches as a fast bowler is quite insane. As a batsman, it is doable. For example, Cook could have easily played for a few more years and played more than 200 Tests if he was interested in chasing records.

Tendulkar’s lack of greatness is exposed by his 53.78 average which is highly impressive by any means.
 
If Tendulkar was the batting god that his worshippers make him to be, he wouldn’t be averaging 50 like other mere mortals. As simple as that.

End of story.
 
Sanga was a home track bully and a minnow basher mostly in his career. He avgs 36 in India, 35 in SA, 41 in Eng, 34 in WI etc etc. The same posters who were calling Sachin's avg of 42 against Pak as ultimate failure will not speak on these numbers.

Nevertheless, due to these figures no cricket expert put Sangakkara in the same sentence as Sachin, Lara, Ponting or Viv.

Ravi Ashwin is probably laughing in a corner hearing this conversation.

#HeCantPlayHim

:ashwin
 
TheSultan said:
Hahah, we can all have a go, let’s see what we come up with on ChatGPT


### Tendulkar vs. Sangakkara

**Test Averages and Performance Discrepancy:**

When breaking down the raw numbers, Kumar Sangakkara's Test average of 57.40 starkly outshines Sachin Tendulkar’s 53.78. This discrepancy isn’t trivial—it’s a glaring indication of who was more efficient and consistent at the crease. Sangakkara didn’t just edge out Tendulkar; he left him behind, especially post-establishment in their respective teams, where Sangakkara’s average soared above 60.

**Struggle in Challenging Conditions:**

Tendulkar’s batting in countries like Australia and South Africa, where pitches favor fast and bouncing balls, reveals vulnerabilities. His averages in these nations—53 in Australia and 46 in South Africa—are markedly lower than his career average, suggesting a struggle against top-quality pace attacks. Meanwhile, Sangakkara’s ability to maintain a nearly 60 average in Australia illustrates superior skill and adaptability.

**Conversion Rates—Turning Starts into Big Scores:**

Sangakkara's conversion rate from fifties to hundreds eclipses Tendulkar's, underscoring a critical aspect of Test batting—capitalizing on starts. Sangakkara was not only getting starts; he was converting them into match-defining innings far more frequently than Tendulkar, which is pivotal in assessing their impact in matches.

**Under Pressure—Who Delivers?**

Crucially, Sangakkara’s knack for scoring in key ICC matches and finals further cements his status. Unlike Tendulkar, whose performances often dipped in World Cup finals and critical encounters, Sangakkara consistently stepped up, showcasing a temperament for the big stage that Tendulkar seemed to lack. This is not just a minor flaw in Tendulkar’s legacy; it’s a significant dent, considering the expectations placed on a player of his caliber.

### **Conclusion**

The assessment is clear: Kumar Sangakkara not only matched but frequently surpassed Sachin Tendulkar in Test cricket on several fronts. His superior average, particularly in challenging conditions, along with a higher conversion rate of fifties to hundreds and clutch performances in critical matches, highlight a cricketer who maximized his skills and opportunities more effectively than Tendulkar. While Tendulkar compiled runs, Sangakkara’s runs often came when they mattered most, making him the more impactful player in the toughest moments. The numbers and the moments that mattered tell the real story, and in this head-to-head comparison, Sangakkara comes out on top.
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You will get this response from Chat GPT if you ask a loaded question “Why Sangakkara was better than Tendulkar in Tests?”

However, if you ask in an impartial manner “Who was better in Test - Sangakkara or Tendulkar?” it will lean towards Tendulkar. See the conclusion below:

Conclusion

In Test cricket, both players were exceptional, but Tendulkar is often considered better due to his consistent performances in all conditions over a much longer period. Sangakkara boasts a higher average and more double centuries, but Tendulkar’s ability to score in challenging conditions outside Asia, his longevity, and his impact on the global stage arguably give him the edge in the Test cricket comparison.

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This is one of the issues with Chat GPT. It will give you the answer that you’re looking for based on the bias in your question.
 
Rajdeep said:
Sanga was a home track bully and a minnow basher mostly in his career. He avgs 36 in India, 35 in SA, 41 in Eng, 34 in WI etc etc. The same posters who were calling Sachin's avg of 42 against Pak as ultimate failure will not speak on these numbers.

Nevertheless, due to these figures no cricket expert put Sangakkara in the same sentence as Sachin, Lara, Ponting or Viv.

Ravi Ashwin is probably laughing in a corner hearing this conversation.

#HeCantPlayHim

:ashwin
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Did you just tell me what the cricketing world perceives? How does it matter?

What matters is what the unbiased and neutral fans from Pakistan believe. If there are a bunch of people from around the world with a neutral opinion on Sachin Tendulkar, it’s the Pakistani cricket fans.
 
AI tools are not good for opinions. It should only be used for operative tasks.

If you ask for an opinion with a loaded question, it will only look for data that supports your bias. It’s function is to assist you not correct you.
 
Please Stay on topic now.

No personal remarks will be tolerated here
 
Mamoon said:
No matter how much noise Indian fans make, it won’t change the reality. Tendulkar is simply not in a different class to other 50+ averaging batsmen.
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On this point specifically many of those 50+ average had other strings to their bow.

Whether it's successful and ruthless captaincy ( Ponting, Lara, Waugh), wicket keeping ( Sanga) or hundreds of test wickets (Kallis) they have better records than Tendulkar in their primary role but have substantial achievements in other fields that he doesn't have.
 
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