Rahul Dravid beats Sachin Tendulkar in Wisden India's poll

[Ab Fan]

When you average only 40 in spite of a 194 not out, it clearly shows how big of a liability you were in the other matches. Two years later, he returned to average a mere 40.

Once again, there is no point in changing the subject and focusing on ODI cricket. That clearly shows that you are unable to defend his paltry performance vs Pakistan in Tests.

Now let’s talk about his 194*. It is one of the most forgettable daddy hundreds to have ever been scored and that can be proved by the fact that Ganguly/Dravid declared before he could get to his 200 because it was clear and obvious to them that he was stat padding and playing for his 200.

That decision exposed the mindset of Tendulkar and how his obsession with personal milestones was perceived by his teammates.

Sehwag put Pakistan on the floor with his flamboyant batting and without a care for personal milestones.

Yuvraj was also playing an aggressive ODI knock and taking risks to maximize the total.

However, Tendulkar was doing tuk tuk and playing out maidens against a deflated attack on a dead pitch where India had already amassed 600 and needed to score as many and as quickly as possible before the declaration.

That 194 said a lot about his psyche and attitude as a player and this psyche and attitude were one of the factors behind his abysmal leadership. The fact that he was not allowed to score 200 on that day was poetic justice.

He failed in the next Test in Lahore scoring 10 runs in the entire match as Pakistan leveled the series.

In the decider Test in Pindi, Dravid scored an epic 270 after coming to the crease at 0/1 in 0.1 overs, while Tendulkar could only score 1 run.

That was his contribution to winning a historic series in Pakistan. Average of 5 in the match that Pakistan won and Average of 0.5 in the series decider.

He ended up 6th on the list of top scorers in that series behind 3 Indians.

The fact is that India would have still won the series even if he didn’t play. He had zero contribution in 2/3 Tests and the Multan Test was won by Sehwag with the bat and Pathan and Kumble with the ball.

An average of 40 or excluding a 194 not out proves nothing. You cannot exclude that knock for any reason because ultimately the batsman who scored those runs was Tendulkar himself. He played vital role by building a huge partnership and making life nightmare for Pakistan.

What Dravid did has got nothing to do with the quality of Sachin's knock, he did what he felt right being the captain of the team. He wanted his bowlers to get a shot in evening on Pakistani batters and there is nothing wrong with that. At the same time, this doesn't demean the quality of the knock that Sachin played any bit. He helped India post a huge total and then it was the job of captain and bowlers to get the remaining work done.

Again, you don't get to decide whether to respect a player based on his performance against one team in one format and not other especially when he has dominated that opponent in World Cup matches which is followed very closely by every cricket fan, a good performance in winning cause is a good performance and degrading it illogically won't change the reality. No player in the history of game has to perform against all opponents in all formats to gain respect. Tendulkar has earned critical acclaim, attained stature and respect from all over the world so 2-3 posters talking rubbish on this forum would not make any difference especially when their claim has no substance.

Just like Sehwag and Tendulkar contributed in winning in Multan, Dravid contributed in Rawalpindi. Dravid's runs in Rawalpindi doesn't make Tendulkar's runs in Multan any bit lesser and same goes vice versa. Bringing Dravid's knock in this discussion is just another illogical argument.

 

[Technics 1210]

Dravid earned his unique title - The Wall.

Meanwhile Tendulkar rips off Hanif Mohammed with - The Little Master.

Look it up.

There is NOTHING authentic or unique about Tendulkar, nothing.

 

[RexRex]

There is NOTHING authentic or unique about Tendulkar, nothing.

Nobody rocks an afro like Tendulkar you gotta admit.

 

[G0rmintAunty]

Interesting thread, however I am confused by this

Both Tendulkar and Kohli are better Test batsmen then Dravid.

Dravid is a terrific player, but some people overrate him because they cannot digest the success of Tendulkar. It is probably the same for Kohli.

Nevertheless, Dravid is among the greats of Test cricket.

Top 10 Asian Test batsmen:

1. Tendulkar
2. Gavaskar
3. Sangakkara
4. Kohli*
5. Miandad
6. Dravid
7. Laxman
8. Sehwag
9. Aravinda
10. Viswanath/Amarnath/Vengsarkar

*Kohli could be number 1 by the time he retires.

And then...

Sachin fans are not true Indian fans. They are willing to humiliate and disrespect Dravid just so that they can protect their midget icon. How pathetic.

 

[Mamoon]

Interesting thread, however I am confused by this


And then...

What part confuses you? Non Indians can overrate Dravid at times by that is different from Indian fans disrespecting him to protect the legacy of Tendulkar.

It is hilarious to see Indians be so trigger happy to insult Dravid when both him and Tendulkar wore the same shirt and Dravid was the architect of all of their greatest wins in the 2000s.

 

[G0rmintAunty]

What part confuses you? Non Indians can overrate Dravid at times by that is different from Indian fans disrespecting him to protect the legacy of Tendulkar.

It is hilarious to see Indians be so trigger happy to insult Dravid when both him and Tendulkar wore the same shirt and Dravid was the architect of all of their greatest wins in the 2000s.

I have no dog in the fight but before you were overdoing praising Tendulkar in the earlier posts from a couple of years ago and now are totally overdoing insulting Tendulkar in your posts from the past week. So was wondering what changed in that time.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

I have no dog in the fight but before you were overdoing praising Tendulkar in the earlier posts from a couple of years ago and now are totally overdoing insulting Tendulkar in your posts from the past week. So was wondering what changed in that time.

Opinions changed after watching the biopics of Sachin and MSD.

 

[mominsaigol]

@Romali_rotti

Can you tell me how it's a single handed win when Sachin departed when India was at 177 for 4 and still needed 99 runs to win?

Yuvi and dravid struck a partnership, India's tail was horrificly weak. Had these boys gone, it would have been game over.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The only thing we can comfortably say Sachin single handedly won is the trophy for chasing personal records. Nobody can match his output here.

 

[Romali_rotti]

@Romali_rotti

Can you tell me how it's a single handed win when Sachin departed when India was at 177 for 4 and still needed 99 runs to win?

Yuvi and dravid struck a partnership, India's tail was horrificly weak. Had these boys gone, it would have been game over.

Had SRT not scored the 97 it would have been game over..

Can you tell me which Javed Miandad innings you were mentioning previously that single handedly won the match in the WC.

 

[mominsaigol]

Had SRT not scored the 97 it would have been game over..

Can you tell me which Javed Miandad innings you were mentioning previously that single handedly won the match in the WC.

I never said wc, I said 1986 .watch between pak and india. The famous one wicket win.

Had SRT not scored the 97 it would have been game over.

And Had yuvi and dravid not scored a 46 and 50 ot wpuld have been game over, So whats your point? Yuvi actually won India a world cup in 2011 something sachin never did