Kumar Sangakkara versus Sachin Tendulkar: Sangakkara outshines Tendulkar in numbers

Test and ODI didn't have a huge difference back then. In ODI, 250 was competitive. Looks like you are trying to judge 90's cricket through the lens of IPL (junk cricket).

Anyway, just to reiterate:

Tendulkar - 200 matches, 15921 runs, average of 53.78
Sangakara - 134 matches, 12400 runs, average of 57.40

Sanga wins clearly.
Tendulkar had more 100s against Australia by the age of 18 than Sanga had in his whole career.. and by the way Tendulkar averaged 57 until almost 170 matches. So its no big deal Sanga doing it at 134 matches..
 
Tendulkar had more 100s against Australia by the age of 18 than Sanga had in his whole career.. and by the way Tendulkar averaged 57 until almost 170 matches. So its no big deal Sanga doing it at 134 matches..
Sachin was good a the start and end of his career but in middle he just lost his way.
 
On this day in 2000, Kumar Sangakkara made his debut, marking the beginning of a legendary career. His elegance and brilliance continue to inspire. Which Sangakkara innings do you remember the most?
 
He could have played som more ODIs. Still remember his back to back centuries during 2015 world cup. He seemed unstoppable then
 
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He could have played some more ODIs. Still remember his back to back centuries during 2015 world cup. He seemed unstoppable then
He scored 4 centuries, a record later broken by Rohit Sharma with 5 centuries in the ICC ODI World Cup 2019 and Quinton de Kock equaled his record in the ICC ODI World Cup 2023 with 4 centuries
 
Sangakara is the most underrated cricketer of all time for me.

For some reason his name doesn't come up when talking about the greatest keepers. All eyes are usually on Gilchrist or Dhoni lol.

Sangakara was a freak batsmen, He's easily in the class of Sachin in test and in odi he has amazing numbers, Scoring 4 centuries back to back , scoring 4 centuries in an icc event.

Dude has 63 international centuries under his belt and is the 2nd highest odi run scorer ever, despite playing 63 less matches then Sachin.

Ik Sachin is considered the God of cricket, but Sangakara is in that class, theirs no way you can argue that he isn't. Easily the greatest Sri Lankan cricketer ever produced.
 
Sangakkara is definitely the best non-Indian batsman to come from Asia. Maybe that's why @sweep_shot supports him.
 
Sachin was better in ODI.

Sanga was better in Test. Check his average. Had he played 200 Tests like Tendulkar, he probably would've surpassed Tendulkar by a big margin.

Sanga was a keeper too. That made his achievements even more impressive.
 
Sangakarra is a great without any doubt, being from a less privileged cricket nation certainly hinder his stardom , the shots he played not an inch here & there picture perfect, countless others certainly has a case to combat Sachin though milestones like 100 100s, are his obstacles
 
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Sachin was better in ODI.

Sanga was better in Test. Check his average. Had he played 200 Tests like Tendulkar, he probably would've surpassed Tendulkar by a big margin.

Sanga was a keeper too. That made his achievements even more impressive.
It works both ways, had Sanga played as much as Sachin 200 tests Sanga's avg when he finished might have been in the 30s
 
Sachin >>>> Sangakkara
Stats are misleading sometimes 👍🏻
Lol sanga is nothing special. He couldn't even win a single test in India. Single test??
His performances in sa, Australia, india were never match winning. And most of the time lungans only played like 2 tests vs englans and SA.

Only at home on doctored pitches as people love to mention if an indian player performs in such pitches.


Yea i know he scored 50s and a 100 plus score in aus but it was always in a match losing effort.
 
Sachin was better in ODI.

Sanga was better in Test. Check his average. Had he played 200 Tests like Tendulkar, he probably would've surpassed Tendulkar by a big margin.

Sanga was a keeper too. That made his achievements even more impressive.
Sanga would be in hospital if he tried to go past 150 let alone 200.
Sachu himself averaged close to 58 until about 150 tests and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Sachin

I dont like selfish players or stat padders but Sachin was definitely better than sanga. I never see sanga perform in a match winning cause against any strong team. Not a single test in India lmao. He couldn't win a single test. Embarrassing. Maybe he did well vs pakistan. But Pakistan probably served flat pitches to appease their southern dhosts.
 
From the time he got the tennis elbow to a few years after his career dipped but he came back to life after those years...
Sachin played prime steyn with ease. This was Sachin that was literally at the fag end of his career. Twilight

Sanga never performed against quality bowlers like steyn.
 
Sanga would be in hospital if he tried to go past 150 let alone 200.
Sachu himself averaged close to 58 until about 150 tests and this is coming from someone who doesn't like Sachin

I dont like selfish players or stat padders but Sachin was definitely better than sanga. I never see sanga perform in a match winning cause against any strong team. Not a single test in India lmao. He couldn't win a single test. Embarrassing. Maybe he did well vs pakistan. But Pakistan probably served flat pitches to appease their southern dhosts.
Among all the highest test runs scorers in history, I have always been stumped by Sangakarra.
Never heard of anything special match winning or series winning or odds defying from him.
If you look at batters with 10000+ runs, all except Sanga and Jayawardne have some legendary knocks that we as cricket fans have heard about.
The gap between their stats in Asia and outside Asia are startling to say the least.
 
Sangakarra is a great without any doubt, being from a less privileged cricket nation certainly hinder his stardom , the shots he played not an inch here & there picture perfect, countless others certainly has a case to combat Sachin though milestones like 100 100s, are his obstacles


Sanga got better towards the end of his career, was the top batsman for 2-3 years. Overall Tendulkar had a much more consistent impact through his career.
 
Sangakara is extremely underrated because he's not from India, Aus, SA or Eng.

He's an atg and he's better then Sachin in test no doubt.

Sachin is a better odi player then sanga though
 
Is Sachin the old batsmen in Test to avg atleast 40 in every country he toured?... If so that is remarkable...
 
Batting averages are alone not enough to put one player above other.

Joe Root is arguably better batsman than Sangakkara despite averaging 8 lesser. He is arguably better test batter than Rahul Dravid as well who also averages 2 more than him.

Stokes is better batsman than Jadeja despite averaging lesser.

@sweep_shot feels Stokes is way better test batsman than Jadeja and one of best ever with batting average of 35.
 
Steve Smith? Greg Chappell?

de Villiers except Bangladesh.
Yes Greg Chap and Steve Smith the others.

But Sachin avg 40 or more across 8 or 9 countries unlike Smith and Chap.

Nevertheless all 3 bats are atg with SRT being the king.
 
Not one meaningful match winning knock from coomaa sanga against any big teams way from home. That's a no for me. Stat padder.

Sachin all day
 

Kumar Sangakkara reveals why he didn't select Sachin Tendulkar in his dream XI​


Sri Lanka great, Kumar Sangakkara, who recently chose his all-time XI as part of an initiative of Lord's Ground, faced the heat for leaving out a few greats from his team. Some of the notable exclusions were batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar and bowling great Glenn McGrath. Rahul Dravid was the lone India to feature in Sangakkara's XI.

A few cricket fans on Twitter went on to question Sangakkara on why he didn't find a place for Tendulkar and his former teammate Mahela Jayawardene.

Sangakkara revealed it was difficult for him to fit everyone in. He added he had also found it extremely hard to leave out swashbuckling opener Virender Sehwag and in-form Virat Kohli from the line-up.

Notably, Sangakkara opted for Aravinda de Silva over Jayawardene, with whom he had shared several match-winning stands.

He defended his stand saying he would any day chose the 1996 World Cup winner over any Sri Lankan player and added that Jayawardene himself would agree that de Silva was the best ever player from the Island nation.

Former New Zealand skipper Brendon McCullum also picked his favourite unit. Tendulkar was the only Indian in his squad.

Source: India Today
 
Sachin carried the burden of 120 crore Indians everytime he batted.

He made those runs against formidable attacks under weight of all those expectations.

Clearly above any batsman of his era.
 
Sachin carried the burden of 120 crore Indians everytime he batted.

He made those runs against formidable attacks under weight of all those expectations.

Clearly above any batsman of his era.
What fault is it of other Indian batsmen that there are so many Indians and that they all decided to burden Sachin?

This can hardly be used a metric.
 
The top 5 Asian batters in Tests clearly must be (not in order)

Sunny
Kohli
Sanga
Dravid
SRT.

Sanga was so good that he is actually worth mentioning alongside other Asian greats.

Clear gap between these 5 and everyone else from Asia.
 
I never understood this obsession with people claiming someone is objectively the best. First it was Sachin and then kohli.

Like bro with the exception of Bradman who in his era was superior in every metric to others (SR, Avg, Runs scores, 50's, 100's) it's not possible for batters to be superior on every metric.

Sachin was the best odi batsmen in his era but In test he wasnt. He was top tier yes but he wasnt the best test batter and his no of runs and century record is partly due to playing the most games but granted still an impossible task he achieved.

It's the same with kohli, kohli in odi may be the most consistent but their are batters who are better then him some metrics. Rohits peak of 258 or his PP utilisation or his batting on Indian pitches > Kohli Devillers treatment of west indies and Australia > Kohli's treatment of those 2 sides.

It's not possible for a single batter to be the true God of cricket aka having the best avg best sr, most runs, most centuries, most 50's, best PP utilisation, best team performance average etc wtc
 
The top 5 Asian batters in Tests clearly must be (not in order)

Sunny
Kohli
Sanga
Dravid
SRT.

Sanga was so good that he is actually worth mentioning alongside other Asian greats.

Clear gap between these 5 and everyone else from Asia.
Dravid doesn't deserve to be anywhere close on this list.

YK was Miles superior to Dravid as a test batsmen. Dravid was infuriating to watch in test lol, minus a few very very good innings like his 270. Otherwise he was a bore fest. He was good in staying and sticking around and ensuring that India can't lose a test match, they can only draw or win because dravid is a virtual Wall.
 
What fault is it of other Indian batsmen that there are so many Indians and that they all decided to burden Sachin?

This can hardly be used a metric.
Many subjective things like pressure, expectations can also be turned into qualitative metrics. It is done all the time in stats.

However, it is futile to discuss who is better based on numbers, especially from cricket, which lacks serious statistics and has baby level numbers like arithmetic means, and the assumption that everything else is taken care of the larger the number of matches are.

Due to the lack of proper stats in cricket, my thumb rule about cricketers is who gave me the most memories, during the time I used to follow cricket closely. I don't have to see any excel sheet for that. I remember the memorable performances and the match situations. Mohd Yusuf may have better numbers than Inzi, but Inzi gave many memories. Even Razzaq gave more memories than Babar Azam. Among the cricketers who are seriously under rated, I think of Kallis first. He gave a lot of memories, right from his first hundred against Warne to save the match.

Tendulkar is disliked on this forum, so it is understandable, but if the same logic was applied between Ponting and Sanga, who has better numbers than Ponting, hardly anyone would agree. It is not any numbers, it is just dislike for Tendulkar ( maybe a decade or so ago, there was a weekly tendulkar bashing thread which ran into multiple pages).
 
What fault is it of other Indian batsmen that there are so many Indians and that they all decided to burden Sachin?

This can hardly be used a metric.

There were no batsman during Sachin's era apart from Azhar & Sidhu at the start.

Arrival of Ganguly & Dravid eased the pressure on Sachin, but he carried the team on his shoulders until Sehwag & Yuvraj made their debuts.

He literally carried the Indian batting from 1991 to 2002.
 

Kumar Sangakkara reveals why he didn't select Sachin Tendulkar in his dream XI​


Sri Lanka great, Kumar Sangakkara, who recently chose his all-time XI as part of an initiative of Lord's Ground, faced the heat for leaving out a few greats from his team. Some of the notable exclusions were batting maestro Sachin Tendulkar and bowling great Glenn McGrath. Rahul Dravid was the lone India to feature in Sangakkara's XI.

A few cricket fans on Twitter went on to question Sangakkara on why he didn't find a place for Tendulkar and his former teammate Mahela Jayawardene.

Sangakkara revealed it was difficult for him to fit everyone in. He added he had also found it extremely hard to leave out swashbuckling opener Virender Sehwag and in-form Virat Kohli from the line-up.

Notably, Sangakkara opted for Aravinda de Silva over Jayawardene, with whom he had shared several match-winning stands.

He defended his stand saying he would any day chose the 1996 World Cup winner over any Sri Lankan player and added that Jayawardene himself would agree that de Silva was the best ever player from the Island nation.

Former New Zealand skipper Brendon McCullum also picked his favourite unit. Tendulkar was the only Indian in his squad.

Source: India Today
I am quite surprised he omitted McGrath, he is greatest fast bowler of all time ever.
 
Tendulkar was Bollywood’s gift to the cricket world. A great batsman who, through sheer marketing, was exaggerated to being the best ever. Indians even have idols dedicated to him. Just goes to show how distorted any conversation about this guy is.
 
Tendulkar was Bollywood’s gift to the cricket world. A great batsman who, through sheer marketing, was exaggerated to being the best ever. Indians even have idols dedicated to him. Just goes to show how distorted any conversation about this guy is.
SRT retired as one of the best ever, I would say he was the second best batsman ever till the tennis elbow.

After the injury, he wasn't the same which allowed for guys like Ponting and Kallis etc to catch up with him..
 
Sachin's achievements are unmatched. The things he has done in his career are a dream for many players. Kumar on the other hand was a brilliant batter undoubtedly but it will always be Sachin taking the number 1 spot when it comes to these 2.
 
Sachin's achievements are unmatched. The things he has done in his career are a dream for many players. Kumar on the other hand was a brilliant batter undoubtedly but it will always be Sachin taking the number 1 spot when it comes to these 2.
Sachin is overrated.

Don't get me wrong, he's an atg and he's defo in the class of his own, but this obsession with him being the God of cricket must stop simply because he has 1.3B indian fan following.

Sachin played the most number of games, 464 odi games and 200 test games so someone of his class should obviously have the most number of runs, and most number of Centuries( Odi record broken by kohli last year).

Sachin is a true class beast no doubt but that doesn't mean he is superior to everyone in every metric, Only Bradman was in his era aka most runs, highest avg, highest sr, better in every series etc etc

In terms of Odi Sachin was unmatched in his era, but in test both Lara and Kumar Sangakara were superior to him, Sachin doesn't even have a test triple century.

Sachin is a goat player and unmatched in odi but in test samgakara was superior t9 him no doubt, lara too.
 
Indian fan logic.

if comparing with a player with worse stats: “sorry stats are everything”

If comparing vs someone with better stats: “overall stats aren’t everything….here’s some (massaged) stats. You see said player scored only against minnows.” When you counter Sachin does too (eg zimbos banlgadesh)…..”look stats aren’t everything, how many memorable innings”

And on and on it goes until…..

Well well…..

Donald Bradman said he reminds him of himself so there…
 
You don't need to go by feel.

SRT has 33 tons in wins
Sanga hs 18 tons in wins.

Sanga has not won more games for SL. I mean in test, Sanga was top tier, but in ODI he was nowhere close to the top tier. He was a bang-average batsman in ODI in 00s. Only in the last few years, he was world-class in ODI.

2000-2009 Sanga played 262 ODis at avg of 35 and SR of 74. That's just very ordinary for the entire decade. He was no one in ODI in 00s.
You need to do a bit better. So what if he scored a ton in a win. Someone else probably scored a more impactful ton. Eg Sehwag in multan. Sehwag played a crazy innings. Sachin was so selfish that captain had to declare…
 
Indian fan logic.

if comparing with a player with worse stats: “sorry stats are everything”

If comparing vs someone with better stats: “overall stats aren’t everything….here’s some (massaged) stats. You see said player scored only against minnows.” When you counter Sachin does too (eg zimbos banlgadesh)…..”look stats aren’t everything, how many memorable innings”

And on and on it goes until…..

Well well…..

Donald Bradman said he reminds him of himself so there…
Indian fans usually portray Sachin as superior in every metric.

The God honest truth is that Sachin was unmatched in odi but in test their were a handful that were superior to him.
 
Indian fans usually portray Sachin as superior in every metric.

The God honest truth is that Sachin was unmatched in odi but in test their were a handful that were superior to him.
Sachin played competitive sport for 25 years, even till his last series he was never out of form, missed max of maybe a total of 1 year due to injury.

Usually the argument is he had a long career so he had so many runs which is a juvenile argument.

Let Azam Khan play for 10 yrs. Let’s see how many runs he will get.

Never skipped fielding and gave it his all, in fact had bowling talent and won games with the ball too.

At the top of the mountain with 100 100s and most runs.

If you don’t rate this guy than not sure who you rate. He may not be your fav player is a different thing from he wasn’t good.

I am not go to start abusing and demeaning Sangakkara but anyone who understands a little bit of cricket won’t put them in the same league lol as great as Sanga was in his own right.

Obviously this is not coming from a place of cricketing logic so you do you :)
 
Sachin played competitive sport for 25 years, even till his last series he was never out of form, missed max of maybe a total of 1 year due to injury.

Usually the argument is he had a long career so he had so many runs which is a juvenile argument.

Let Azam Khan play for 10 yrs. Let’s see how many runs he will get.

Never skipped fielding and gave it his all, in fact had bowling talent and won games with the ball too.

At the top of the mountain with 100 100s and most runs.

If you don’t rate this guy than not sure who you rate. He may not be your fav player is a different thing from he wasn’t good.

I am not go to start abusing and demeaning Sangakkara but anyone who understands a little bit of cricket won’t put them in the same league lol as great as Sanga was in his own right.

Obviously this is not coming from a place of cricketing logic so you do you :)
That doesn't matter. Azam khan is completly irrelevant and won't even be around, I'm 100% sure he played his last international match in wc 2024.

Regardless, Sangakara never lost form either. He played till his 40's and maintained the same level of form, however he's from Sri lanka and did not debut at age 16, meaning Sachin played longer and has a 1.3B population backing.

Any narrative you portray doesn't change the simple facts that while Sachin was unmatched in odi, In test their are a plethora of players who challenge him with various others being objectively superior to him.

Samgakara and Lara are objectively superior to Sachin as test players. I'd argue Younis Khan is also superior as a TEST player to Sachin since he has more centuries in 118 test matches then Sachin did when he played 118, but overall Sachin has more due to his total test match amount being 200.

Sachin in odi is the God of cricket no doubt and I don't deny that, he's the most complete whiteball batsmen to ever play the sport, however in test he is not that great. He is great 100%, but he's not objectively the best test player. He doesn't even have a triple century in said format.

Lara and sanga are superior to Sachin in the test format.
 
form, however he's from Sri lanka and did not debut at age 16, meaning Sachin played longer and has a 1.3B population backing.
1.3 B population backing or expectations doesn’t make it easy. That kind of pressure reduces your physical capacity. Thats an argument that works in favor of Sachin.
 
Sachin is a gross under-achiever in Tests. When he was at his peak he hardly played Tests. It was a travesty. Can't count how many times he threw his wicket away to innocuous deliveries in the name of counter attacking. Sachin was an out and out stroke player for majority of his career. First time he started accumulating was somewhere in the mid 2000s. His innings at chepauk should have put him on the right side. Sadly excruciating back pain forced him to take more chances than needed. India was at the door step of a historical win. But he made up for it with a brutal counter attack against Shane warne at chennai by playing against turn. He played brilliant knocks in Tests. Most of those good knocks were counter attacking. Wish he had played more Tests in the 1990s. Still he was averaging 58 in the 90s. Second best lara 52 or something. Others were not close to him. In terms of sheer ability Sachin was the best Test batsman of his era not withstanding Lara's antigua bullying so much so Lara told in an interview "I want to be more consistent like sachin rather than score one big one and series of low scores.". As an Indian and Sachin fan i do have some regrets about sachin. He never had that "both innings" special in match winning cause like Rahul Dravid. Two impactcul innings in the same match. Also he never had a box office series. He got out to some ridiculously poor deliveries when the entire bowling was his mercy. In Tests you can accumulate runs without taking risks. Sachin was an extremely high risk taker in any format he played. Only after 2000s mid he toned down. That famous SCG Test. Lara's game is suitable for long innings. Once he is in he can boss you. But he had somet echnical issues. Sachin was technically the most gifted batsman i have ever seen in any format Tests or ODIs. The way he adapted to different conditions with consummate ease was genius level. The perth 114 when he was 18, that amazing match saving effort of 68 & 117* as a 17 year old at Old trafford was stuff of dreams. Sachin is always a great Test batsman. But i would say an underachiever. Should be averaging like 75 for the skills he had.
 
Indian fan logic.

if comparing with a player with worse stats: “sorry stats are everything”

If comparing vs someone with better stats: “overall stats aren’t everything….here’s some (massaged) stats. You see said player scored only against minnows.” When you counter Sachin does too (eg zimbos banlgadesh)…..”look stats aren’t everything, how many memorable innings”

And on and on it goes until…..

Well well…..

Donald Bradman said he reminds him of himself so there…
Sorry, Forgot to add before the last line….

“Longevity”…..

“Have you ever seen a 16 year old play that well”…

“err err oh yes….he had weight of billion people blah blah boo hoo”…
 
Indian fans usually portray Sachin as superior in every metric.

The God honest truth is that Sachin was unmatched in odi but in test their were a handful that were superior to him.
I wouldn’t say he was unmatched in ODIs.

ODIs evolve, players adapt. Viv was unmatched for his era. Tendulkar unmatched in number of centuries maybe, but impact. I remember very few innings. Nothing in World Cup finals, a very fluky 80 odd vs Pakistan in 2011 semi.

Very similar to babar. He has some great ODI numbers, but ultimately pointless.

Some of the stuff Dhoni and Stokes have done recently in ODIs smashes any of sachin’s innings.
 
I wouldn’t say he was unmatched in ODIs.

ODIs evolve, players adapt. Viv was unmatched for his era. Tendulkar unmatched in number of centuries maybe, but impact. I remember very few innings. Nothing in World Cup finals, a very fluky 80 odd vs Pakistan in 2011 semi.

Very similar to babar. He has some great ODI numbers, but ultimately pointless.

Some of the stuff Dhoni and Stokes have done recently in ODIs smashes any of sachin’s innings.
Sachin Odi innings against pakistan in 2011 was done at the back end of his career and it was arguably one of his worst innings that should not have lasted that long if YK didn't shell so many catches.

If you're referring to 2011-2012 then yes you can argue that their were better batsmen then him since Sachin was fizzling out.

And it's a myth that Sachin never fizzled out. He's a quality player and hence even at the age of 40 he was able to dismantle pakistan 2012 bowling in Asia Cup despite pakistan bowling with chuckers at the time

But by 2011 to 2012 he was far from the Sachin who in his glory days would smash 40 ball 80's and was considered amongst the most destructive Asian batsmen.

By 2011 to 2012 he was mostly an accumulator with a 5th gear.

But Sachin in odi was unmatched in his era. I will say this though, the fact that he can still bat like prime kohli could at the age of 40 is extremly impressive.

The only metric you can argue someone is superior to Sachin in his prime is impact as some players were more explosive then he was like Jaysuria, But Sachin overall was the most consistent and best.

He scored 200 in an era were people thought It was impossible.
 
I am sorry just by averages you cannot say someone is superior. If we look at Sanga's record his highest averages were in Pakistan, UAE, SL, Zimbabwe & Bangladesh in Tests. Yes he did well in Australia & New Zealand as well but Struggled in SA, India, West Indies and was okay in England. The biggest thing which people forget to acknowledge about Sachin the Test batter is that he did not have a single bogey place in his career. His lowest averages were in Pakistan & Zimbabwe which was 40. When you look at his record in Pakistan you need to consider that his first series there was as a 16 year old. Every great player including Brian Lara (Who was horrible in India), Dravid was very poor in Sri Lanka and South Africa and only had one good Australian tour at least had one bogey country where they struggled through their career. Ponting had horror time in India where he couldn't score runs to save his life.

The one thing people forget about Sachin is how good he was technically. I agree with @jnaveen1980 that for the talent and technique Sachin had he should have been averaging 60+ in Test cricket at least. I am yet to see a player who was and is as complete a batter like Sachin was. He was the best blend of defence and attack. Anyone who says Sachin's popularity was just marketing should pick up any of his hundreds from the 90's and honestly tell me if they had seen anyone let alone a teenager playing like that even now. Stop looking at stats and spreading hate. If we are to just go by stats Thilan Samaraweera can be called better batter than Laxman, Cook etc, I am sure everyone will agree that is not true. I am a big Sachin fan and I was a fan before advertising and commercials were a thing. I started watching cricket when I watched a 18 year old hitting Mushtaq Ahmed for 2 sixes in a row at Sharjah and in few months was scoring a Test hundred at the WACA. So stop with you narrative about marketing and how he was not good. Sachin was just great and it is scary to think that he actually had the potential to be even better.
 
I am sorry just by averages you cannot say someone is superior. If we look at Sanga's record his highest averages were in Pakistan, UAE, SL, Zimbabwe & Bangladesh in Tests. Yes he did well in Australia & New Zealand as well but Struggled in SA, India, West Indies and was okay in England. The biggest thing which people forget to acknowledge about Sachin the Test batter is that he did not have a single bogey place in his career. His lowest averages were in Pakistan & Zimbabwe which was 40. When you look at his record in Pakistan you need to consider that his first series there was as a 16 year old. Every great player including Brian Lara (Who was horrible in India), Dravid was very poor in Sri Lanka and South Africa and only had one good Australian tour at least had one bogey country where they struggled through their career. Ponting had horror time in India where he couldn't score runs to save his life.

The one thing people forget about Sachin is how good he was technically. I agree with @jnaveen1980 that for the talent and technique Sachin had he should have been averaging 60+ in Test cricket at least. I am yet to see a player who was and is as complete a batter like Sachin was. He was the best blend of defence and attack. Anyone who says Sachin's popularity was just marketing should pick up any of his hundreds from the 90's and honestly tell me if they had seen anyone let alone a teenager playing like that even now. Stop looking at stats and spreading hate. If we are to just go by stats Thilan Samaraweera can be called better batter than Laxman, Cook etc, I am sure everyone will agree that is not true. I am a big Sachin fan and I was a fan before advertising and commercials were a thing. I started watching cricket when I watched a 18 year old hitting Mushtaq Ahmed for 2 sixes in a row at Sharjah and in few months was scoring a Test hundred at the WACA. So stop with you narrative about marketing and how he was not good. Sachin was just great and it is scary to think that he actually had the potential to be even better.
Your credibility decreases the moment you say I AM A BIG SACHIN FAN.

The statement alone automatically invokes bias.

The God honest truth is that he was unmatched in odi but in test their were people superior to him.
 
The God honest truth is that he was unmatched in odi but in test their were people superior to him.
One example is Alastair Cook. He could have easily surpassed Sachin Tendulkar if he had played that many games.

Now joe Root is on the route who can break his record.
 
Your credibility decreases the moment you say I AM A BIG SACHIN FAN.

The statement alone automatically invokes bias.

The God honest truth is that he was unmatched in odi but in test their were people superior to him.
Oh so now you don’t think even Sachin was that good. Now I really want to know the players you rate :ROFLMAO:
 
Oh so now you don’t think even Sachin was that good. Now I really want to know the players you rate :ROFLMAO:
Sachin was a great player and unmatched in odi, but he wasnt unmatched in test. Their several test players in his era who were superior to him
 
I am sorry just by averages you cannot say someone is superior. If we look at Sanga's record his highest averages were in Pakistan, UAE, SL, Zimbabwe & Bangladesh in Tests. Yes he did well in Australia & New Zealand as well but Struggled in SA, India, West Indies and was okay in England. The biggest thing which people forget to acknowledge about Sachin the Test batter is that he did not have a single bogey place in his career. His lowest averages were in Pakistan & Zimbabwe which was 40. When you look at his record in Pakistan you need to consider that his first series there was as a 16 year old. Every great player including Brian Lara (Who was horrible in India), Dravid was very poor in Sri Lanka and South Africa and only had one good Australian tour at least had one bogey country where they struggled through their career. Ponting had horror time in India where he couldn't score runs to save his life.

The one thing people forget about Sachin is how good he was technically. I agree with @jnaveen1980 that for the talent and technique Sachin had he should have been averaging 60+ in Test cricket at least. I am yet to see a player who was and is as complete a batter like Sachin was. He was the best blend of defence and attack. Anyone who says Sachin's popularity was just marketing should pick up any of his hundreds from the 90's and honestly tell me if they had seen anyone let alone a teenager playing like that even now. Stop looking at stats and spreading hate. If we are to just go by stats Thilan Samaraweera can be called better batter than Laxman, Cook etc, I am sure everyone will agree that is not true. I am a big Sachin fan and I was a fan before advertising and commercials were a thing. I started watching cricket when I watched a 18 year old hitting Mushtaq Ahmed for 2 sixes in a row at Sharjah and in few months was scoring a Test hundred at the WACA. So stop with you narrative about marketing and how he was not good. Sachin was just great and it is scary to think that he actually had the potential to be even better.
Sangakkara played in possibly the flattest era especially in Asia. Australia started rolling out flat decks. He was one among the many that did well in that era. During the same period Kallis averaged more than Sangakkara. 58,.50, Mo yousuf averaged 58.43. Younis Khan averaged 56.0 Angelo Matthews averaged 52 during that phase. Chanders averaged 55. Plenty of opportunities for statpadding in that phase.
 
34% of Sangakkara 's total runs have come aon two grounds On the same grounds Mahela got 45% of his total 11810 runs.

Galle & SSC.
 
Overall, SRT is way ahead of Sangakra. If we look at the runs scored in different conditions, SRT beats him by some good distance.
 
Your credibility decreases the moment you say I AM A BIG SACHIN FAN.

The statement alone automatically invokes bias.

The God honest truth is that he was unmatched in odi but in test their were people superior to him.
It is funny you should say that as people who hate or don't like a player should not be giving opinions either. This means the entire forum cannot comment on anything as everyone likes or is a fan or dislikes/does not rate or hate a player/team. Please come up with decent argument other than saying my entire post is discredited based on me being a fan.
 
Sangakkara has poor record in India, South Africa and West Indies.Sanga played 34 tests out of 134 in SWENA. That's 25% of matches outside Asia.

Tendulkar has done well in all countries. Tendulkar played 73 tests out of 200 in SWENA. That's 36.5% outside Asia.

Tendulkar is better.
 
Sachin Odi innings against pakistan in 2011 was done at the back end of his career and it was arguably one of his worst innings that should not have lasted that long if YK didn't shell so many catches.

If you're referring to 2011-2012 then yes you can argue that their were better batsmen then him since Sachin was fizzling out.

And it's a myth that Sachin never fizzled out. He's a quality player and hence even at the age of 40 he was able to dismantle pakistan 2012 bowling in Asia Cup despite pakistan bowling with chuckers at the time

But by 2011 to 2012 he was far from the Sachin who in his glory days would smash 40 ball 80's and was considered amongst the most destructive Asian batsmen.

By 2011 to 2012 he was mostly an accumulator with a 5th gear.

But Sachin in odi was unmatched in his era. I will say this though, the fact that he can still bat like prime kohli could at the age of 40 is extremly impressive.

The only metric you can argue someone is superior to Sachin in his prime is impact as some players were more explosive then he was like Jaysuria, But Sachin overall was the most consistent and best.

He scored 200 in an era were people thought It was impossible.
Bro - Saeed Anwar scored 194 way before Sachin made 200. And even more impressive, King Viv made 189* way before Saeed.

Sachin spent years trying to surpass Saeed’s 194, it took him 13 years and even then, some random Charles Coventry from Zimbabwe equalled the 194 way before.

Sachin has great numbers in ODIs, but they are numbers. You can’t say he’s unmatched unless you’re ONLY looking at numbers.

I generally agree with you. In tests, Sachin definitely isn’t the best and in ODIs it isn’t as clear, but I just don’t see he made much impact.
 
Bro - Saeed Anwar scored 194 way before Sachin made 200. And even more impressive, King Viv made 189* way before Saeed.

Sachin spent years trying to surpass Saeed’s 194, it took him 13 years and even then, some random Charles Coventry from Zimbabwe equalled the 194 way before.

Sachin has great numbers in ODIs, but they are numbers. You can’t say he’s unmatched unless you’re ONLY looking at numbers.

I generally agree with you. In tests, Sachin definitely isn’t the best and in ODIs it isn’t as clear, but I just don’t see he made much impact.
That's fair, As I said I don't think Sachin is superior in every metric. It's impossible for someone to be superior in every metric.

For me Sachin was the best odi player in his era and amount top 5 to top 10 test players his era.

But yes he wasnt the most destructive by any means.
 
Sangakkara is one if the finest cricketers to ever grace the game.

He is highly educated, well spoken, has charisma, and has captained his team to 2 ICC finals - and more importantly never lied or grassed on his team mates.

Tendulkar isn't any of the above.

If you want a stats padding batsman who scores most of his runs in losses and draws, and is happy to be selfish yet stab you in the back - then pick Tendulkar.

If you want a cricketer, who puts his team before himself and stats, then pick Sangakkara.
 
How many of Sangakkara hundred came in Wins?
Sangakkara is one if the finest cricketers to ever grace the game.

He is highly educated, well spoken, has charisma, and has captained his team to 2 ICC finals - and more importantly never lied or grassed on his team mates.

Tendulkar isn't any of the above.

If you want a stats padding batsman who scores most of his runs in losses and draws, and is happy to be selfish yet stab you in the back - then pick Tendulkar.

If you want a cricketer, who puts his team before himself and stats, then pick Sangakkara.
 
The difference in average is 3.5 and people here claim that Sangakkara outshines Sachin?

Does that mean, Sangakkara is greater than Brian Lara who averages less than Sachin in Tests?

@sweep_shot claims that if Sangakkara played more number of matches, then he would average more?

For the love of god, Sangakkara played 130+ tests and retired at an old age too. If Sangakkara played early, it would have been a different era itself where bowlers dominated batsmen.

Sachin played across 2 era’s and performed at a high level. @Technics 1210 and @TheSultan may believe that its easy to get picked for 200 Tests in a highly competitive team like India and its not a big deal. Sachin was the best batsmen in the Indian team for most of his career. It is not a team like Pakistan where batsmen like Asad shafiq and Azhar Ali can play for 80+ tests with barely averaging 40’s.

It’s futile to get India haters to agree that Sachin was the best batsmen of his era. But most of the cricketing pundits agree on it.

And what, Sachin was not an impact player?😂
@Technics 1210 He blasted the worlds toughest bowlers for fun. He may did not play well in the finals but he was the highest scorer in 2 WC’s.
 
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And this longevity thing. Sometimes people feel like they have nothing to prove
The difference in average is 3.5 and people here claim that Sangakkara outshines Sachin?

Does that mean, Sangakkara is greater than Brian Lara who averages less than Sachin in Tests?

@sweep_shot claims that if Sangakkara played more number of matches, then he would average more?

For the love of god, Sangakkara played 130+ tests and retired at an old age too. If Sangakkara played early, it would have been a different era itself where bowlers dominated batsmen.

Sachin played across 2 era’s and performed at a high level. @Technics 1210 and @TheSultan may believe that its easy to get picked for 200 Tests in a highly competitive team like India and its not a big deal. Sachin was the best batsmen in the Indian team for most of his career. It is not a team like Pakistan where batsmen like Asad shafiq and Azhar Ali can play for 80+ tests with barely averaging 40’s.

It’s futile to get India haters to agree that Sachin was the best batsmen of his era. But most of the cricketing pundits agree on it.

And what, Sachin was not an impact player?😂
@Technics 1210 He blasted the worlds toughest bowlers for fun. He may did not play well in the finals but he was the highest scorer in 2 WC’s.
200 tests? Alistair cook could have played 250 tests considering the amount of test cricket England get. But some people are content with their career and retire. Brian Lara could have played as long as he wished, with WI pathetic line up.

Sachin was leeching and leeching to have some kind of “record” that would prove something. And in the end it was some made up hundred 100s. Combining ODI and Test tons was never a thing. Just another engineered “record”

Sachin seems a real try-hard type of person.

A lot of the greats of the game just said I’m happy, I’m comfortable with what I’ve achieved, I’m done.

Sachin seemed to have some complex about something or the other which is why he kept going
 
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And this longevity thing. Sometimes people feel like they have nothing to prove

200 tests? Alistair cook could have played 250 tests considering the amount of test cricket England get. But some people are content with their career and retire. Brian Lara could have played as long as he wished, with WI pathetic line up.

Sachin was leeching and leeching to have some kind of “record” that would prove something. And in the end it was some made up hundred 100s. Combining ODI and Test tons was never a thing. Just another engineered “record”

Sachin seems a real try-hard type of person.

A lot of the greats of the game just said I’m happy, I’m comfortable with what I’ve achieved, I’m done.

Sachin seemed to have some complex about something or the other which is why he kept going

And this longevity thing. Sometimes people feel like they have nothing to prove

200 tests? Alistair cook could have played 250 tests considering the amount of test cricket England get. But some people are content with their career and retire. Brian Lara could have played as long as he wished, with WI pathetic line up.

Sachin was leeching and leeching to have some kind of “record” that would prove something. And in the end it was some made up hundred 100s. Combining ODI and Test tons was never a thing. Just another engineered “record”

Sachin seems a real try-hard type of person.

A lot of the greats of the game just said I’m happy, I’m comfortable with what I’ve achieved, I’m done.

Sachin seemed to have some complex about something or the other which is why he kept going
The logic here is laughable. This is not a gully cricket or an unprofessionally run team. Look at James Anderson. He was picking wickets left and right in counties yet, he was asked to retire which he said in his interview.

First if you want to play 200 test matches, you have to play at the highest level for that long. Sachin performed consistently for that long. You also need to have the hunger to continue to play. Carry your fitness and adapt your game to the requirements.

And Sachin did jot falter in numbers too. Even in his last 40-50 test matches, he was averaging 45-50. I mean, Sachin is not Afridi or Shoaib Malik leeching on to the team😂

He was also the leading run scorer in WC2011 in ODIs.
 
I just saw someone say Alistair Cool could have played 250 tests if he just wanted to. Yea sure, with a batting average of 32 by the end of it.
 
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You also get a top commentator and wicket keeper with Sangakkara.

Well depends what you want.

If you want a batsman who can commentate on his own batting at the same time, Sangakkara certainly can be a pick.
 
If Sachin wanted he could have averaged 65 in tests but he decided to serve his nation for 23 years unlike the cheats who were exposed after 23 tests.
 
Sangakkara is one if the finest cricketers to ever grace the game.

He is highly educated, well spoken, has charisma, and has captained his team to 2 ICC finals - and more importantly never lied or grassed on his team mates.

Tendulkar isn't any of the above.

If you want a stats padding batsman who scores most of his runs in losses and draws, and is happy to be selfish yet stab you in the back - then pick Tendulkar.

If you want a cricketer, who puts his team before himself and stats, then pick Sangakkara.
Sachin did put the team before himself lol. He isn't afridi who leached onto the team.

Sanga > Sachin in test

Sachin > Sanga in odi.

That's the God honest truth. No narrative nonsense from India or Non Indian fans who are trying to hype one or the other or trying to downgrade one or the other
 
Tendulkar is the most overrated batsman of all time.

Root hit the 12K test tun barrier 11 years.
Sanga hit 12K in 14 years.
MRF genius Tendulkar, 18 years. EIGHTEEN.

There is nothing special about Tendulkar, nothing, other than longevity.

Move on.
 
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Sachin was definitely the guy with a perfect technique. Some players might come close to him or even appear better on the stats but he was a batting genius with a game to play on all kind of surfaces and all kind of bowlers.

I know at the end of the day winning the matches for your team is the most important thing but if batting is an art then Sachin had a much better technique than his contemporaries and was great to watch.
 
Samgakara and Lara are objectively superior to Sachin as test players. I'd argue Younis Khan is also superior as a TEST player to Sachin since he has more centuries in 118 test matches then Sachin did when he played 118, but overall Sachin has more due to his total test match amount being 200.
Anyone making this argument has not watched both players play or just does not understand test cricket.
 
Sanga was really a gun batsman in home tracks or even away tracks in some places. He was suspect when ball was spinning in India or swinging in Eng/SA. Dominating by playing great knocks consistently in opposition's den defines greatness.

Sanga did dominate Pak, BD, Zim and NZ in their den ( 9 tons in 32 innnings)
Sanga did not dominate Ind, SA, Eng, Aus and WI ( 5 tons in 65 innings )


A top tier batsman who was pleasing to watch.
 
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