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Was OBL helped by the American government to carry out the WTC attacks?

Bro, instead of believing in conspiracy theories....

Stopped reading right there. Tag words like conspiracy theory and terrorist are used to shut down all debate by politicians and I expect most of the rest of this thread has descended into similar denigration. Probably not even worth the effort of reading the replies.
 
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Stopped reading right there. Tag words like conspiracy theory and terrorist are used to shut down all debate by politicians and I expect most of the rest of this thread has descended into similar denigration. Probably not even worth the effort of reading the replies.

Absolutely!

I think you should reopen the debate by showing evidence to support the counter narrative.
 
University Study Finds Fire Did Not Cause 3rd Tower's Collapse on 9/11


FAIRBANKS, Alaska, Sept. 4, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- The fall of the 47-story World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) in New York City late in the afternoon of September 11, 2001, was not a result of fires, according to a draft report released yesterday by researchers at the University of Alaska Fairbanks (UAF) following a four-year computer modeling study funded by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth.

Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth
The UAF team's findings contradict those of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), an agency of the U.S. Department of Commerce, which concluded in a 2008 report that WTC 7 was the first tall building ever to collapse primarily due to fire. The collapse of WTC 7 has long been the subject of controversy, with critics of the government's account arguing it was brought down in a controlled demolition.

UAF civil engineering professor Leroy Hulsey was the study's principal investigator. Feng Xiao, now an associate professor at Nanjing University of Science and Technology, and Zhili Quan, now a bridge engineer for the South Carolina Department of Transportation, were research assistants and co-authors.

"Our study found that the fires in WTC 7 could not have caused the collapse recorded on video," said Professor Hulsey. "We simulated every plausible scenario, and we found that the series of failures that NIST claimed triggered a progressive collapse of the entire structure could not have occurred. The only thing that could have brought this structure down in the manner observed on 9/11 is the near-simultaneous failure of every column in the building below Floor 17."

The UAF study was funded by Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth (AE911Truth), a nonprofit representing more than 3,000 architects and engineers who have signed the organization's petition calling upon Congress to open a new investigation into the destruction of the three World Trade Center towers on 9/11.

The release of the draft report begins a two-month period during which the public is invited to submit comments. The final report will be published later this year. The research team plans to make public by the end of September all of the data used and generated during the study, a decision that contrasts with NIST's withholding of key modeling data on the grounds that releasing it "might jeopardize public safety."

For more information, visit http://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7 and https://AE911Truth.org/wtc7.

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SOURCE: Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth

Link: https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...use-3rd-towers-collapse-on-911-300911896.html.

There you go.
 
"Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" don't sound agenda driven at all do they ?

Noam Chomsky put it best when he said some folks spend an hour on the internet and think they're suddenly an engineer.

WTC7 collapse can be logically explained.

That site was handpicked by the repellant Mayor Rudy Guiliani as the emergency command centre against all advice from his own Police Department who documented their concerns in a 1998 memo.

That memo outlines WTC7's points of vulnerability including the building's public access and the storage of 1200 gallons of diesel fuel for the backup generators. It was also near the site of the 1993 terrorist attack.

He refused to put the command centre in Brooklyn as his own Director for Emergency Management recommended, probably as Brooklyn was the site of one of many affairs by "America's Mayor".
 
"Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" don't sound agenda driven at all do they ?

Noam Chomsky put it best when he said some folks spend an hour on the internet and think they're suddenly an engineer.

WTC7 collapse can be logically explained.

That site was handpicked by the repellant Mayor Rudy Guiliani as the emergency command centre against all advice from his own Police Department who documented their concerns in a 1998 memo.

That memo outlines WTC7's points of vulnerability including the building's public access and the storage of 1200 gallons of diesel fuel for the backup generators. It was also near the site of the 1993 terrorist attack.

He refused to put the command centre in Brooklyn as his own Director for Emergency Management recommended, probably as Brooklyn was the site of one of many affairs by "America's Mayor".

Patience please!

I was hoping to hold their hand down this yellow brick road.

And you went and just ripped the entire curtain off.
 
"Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" don't sound agenda driven at all do they ?

Noam Chomsky put it best when he said some folks spend an hour on the internet and think they're suddenly an engineer.

WTC7 collapse can be logically explained.

That site was handpicked by the repellant Mayor Rudy Guiliani as the emergency command centre against all advice from his own Police Department who documented their concerns in a 1998 memo.

That memo outlines WTC7's points of vulnerability including the building's public access and the storage of 1200 gallons of diesel fuel for the backup generators. It was also near the site of the 1993 terrorist attack.

He refused to put the command centre in Brooklyn as his own Director for Emergency Management recommended, probably as Brooklyn was the site of one of many affairs by "America's Mayor".

1200 gallons of diesel would have exploded the building not collapsed it.

Like I have said both side has holes in their report and for this reason it will continue to crate doubts.

False flag operation have happened and Terrorist have tried to destroy symbolic architect.
 
"Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth" don't sound agenda driven at all do they ?

Noam Chomsky put it best when he said some folks spend an hour on the internet and think they're suddenly an engineer.

WTC7 collapse can be logically explained.

That site was handpicked by the repellant Mayor Rudy Guiliani as the emergency command centre against all advice from his own Police Department who documented their concerns in a 1998 memo.

That memo outlines WTC7's points of vulnerability including the building's public access and the storage of 1200 gallons of diesel fuel for the backup generators. It was also near the site of the 1993 terrorist attack.

He refused to put the command centre in Brooklyn as his own Director for Emergency Management recommended, probably as Brooklyn was the site of one of many affairs by "America's Mayor".

The 3 year research which hasnt fully concluded was done by University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Sure 3000+ proffesionals including the chap who was part of the building the structure dont believe the official story , so they all have an agenda lol
 
Well you made a fool of yourself.

Do you not accept the independent initial findings from the University of Alaska Fairbanks ? Explain why not?

Yes I’m the fool.

For us fools can you show your analysis of the data and scrutiny you applied?
 
Yes I’m the fool.

For us fools can you show your analysis of the data and scrutiny you applied?

If you read an earlier post of mine, you'd realise the full report is yet to be released but a strong conclusion summary has. Stop wasting my time with your idiotic questioning and contact the University and tell them they are fools and your know better than their research becuase the idea of 911 being an inside job doest sit with your anti-Islamic brain. Good luck :)
 
If you read an earlier post of mine, you'd realise the full report is yet to be released but a strong conclusion summary has. Stop wasting my time with your idiotic questioning and contact the University and tell them they are fools and your know better than their research becuase the idea of 911 being an inside job doest sit with your anti-Islamic brain. Good luck :)

Well done!

Just to clarify, you’ve just read the conclusion and accepted it?

No raised eyebrows about the funding?

Was the ad hominem also part of the conclusion?

I know, my question is idiotic. I mean who asks these sorts of questins?
 
Well done!

Just to clarify, you’ve just read the conclusion and accepted it?

No raised eyebrows about the funding?

Was the ad hominem also part of the conclusion?

I know, my question is idiotic. I mean who asks these sorts of questins?

lol. Only those who dont believe in the official story would fund it. Or where you expecting Donald Trump to fund it?

The conclusion is clear and it's easy to accept because no other building has collapsed on it's own footprint due to office fires.

As i wrote, contact them and tell us what you have found. Not goint to waste my time with you.
 
lol. Only those who dont believe in the official story would fund it. Or where you expecting Donald Trump to fund it?

The conclusion is clear and it's easy to accept because no other building has collapsed on it's own footprint due to office fires.

As i wrote, contact them and tell us what you have found. Not goint to waste my time with you.

Why would I contact them when you are the one introducing this as proof?

That’s how it works. They have to present their data. As you’ve already analysed it and reaches your conclusion, you are the best person to ask.

At the moment we’ve gathered that you read the headline and the conclusion. From which you've decided it must be correct.

Amazing analysis of the funding.
 
Really? Kindly point out some of them?

There are a myriad of conspiracy theories in Indian media and among Indian public relating to Pakistan Army, ISI, China, etc. You have to be sleeping under a rock to have missed them as an Indian.
 
Why would I contact them when you are the one introducing this as proof?

That’s how it works. They have to present their data. As you’ve already analysed it and reaches your conclusion, you are the best person to ask.

At the moment we’ve gathered that you read the headline and the conclusion. From which you've decided it must be correct.

Amazing analysis of the funding.

When you start answering questions, perhaps I will entertain to your questions? Why do you feel you are entlighted to ask anything but answer nothing? lol

So lets start.

1. Why do you think 3000+ professionals and highly aclaimed university would have an agenda to promote this view?

2. Why did NIST ignore the fact fire is not presice enough to take out each column at near the same exact time?

Lets see how you do, if you ask another question instead of answering it, then it shows you are a waste of effort as you have nothing to offer.
 
The 3 year research which hasnt fully concluded was done by University of Alaska Fairbanks.

Sure 3000+ proffesionals including the chap who was part of the building the structure dont believe the official story , so they all have an agenda lol

Any basic analysis of a study involves an estimation of bias. Obviously any study bankrolled by a group whose very existence depends on the outcome of the study agreeing with your assumptions leads to a high risk of bias.

I see this in my field all the time where various quacks and drug profiteers claim to have a produced a new cure for XYZ based on "rigorous clinical studies" - then you read the actual study and find the sample is tiny, the methods are flawed, the data used to support the claim has been cherrypicked, and the whole study has been funded by said drug company.

Are Noam Chomsky and George Galloway, whom we both agree are no stooges of the military industrial complex, also sheep for dismissing these 9/11 truthers ?
 
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Any basic analysis of a study involves an estimation of bias. Obviously any study bankrolled by a group whose very existence depends on the outcome of the study agreeing with your assumptions leads to a high risk of bias.

I see this in my field all the time where various quacks and drug profiteers claim to have a produced a new cure for XYZ based on "rigorous clinical studies" - then you read the actual study and find the sample is tiny, the methods are flawed, the data used to support the claim has been cherrypicked, and the whole study has been funded by said drug company.

Are Noam Chomsky and George Galloway, whom we both agree are no stooges of the military industrial complex, also sheep for dismissing these 9/11 truthers ?

What bias do they have? These are proffesionals in their field and why would they ruin their repuation for this? Again, only those who are suspicious of the offical story would fund it. Do you even know how the Alaska uni is seen in the world? It isn't some mickey mouse college.

Ok here is a simple question, why did the 911 commission ommit WT7 from its report and why did NIST take many years after the event to even discuss this tower? Here's one more, why did the BBC report this tower had fallen when it was still standing?

When have I agreed with everything they have said? This is a strange argument. Stick to the questions I have asked.
 
I believe that 9/11 was a small piece in a large puzzle.

9/11 was the event that started a new world order (NWO). It gave Zionists/USA the green light to further "Greater Israel" project. The end goal of all the conflicts is to build that third temple. They are waiting for their one-eyed false messiah (Dajjal) who is supposed to come from Isfahan, Iran. It is why they need to invade Iran because that's where Dajjal will come from.

It is interesting many music and movies contain "one eye" (Eye of Providence) symbol. I wonder what that is about. I would love to see Miandadrules comment on it.
 
I believe that 9/11 was a small piece in a large puzzle.

9/11 was the event that started a new world order (NWO). It gave Zionists/USA the green light to further "Greater Israel" project. The end goal of all the conflicts is to build that third temple. They are waiting for their one-eyed false messiah (Dajjal) who is supposed to come from Isfahan, Iran. It is why they need to invade Iran because that's where Dajjal will come from.

It is interesting many music and movies contain "one eye" (Eye of Providence) symbol. I wonder what that is about. I would love to see Miandadrules comment on it.

+1
 
What bias do they have? These are proffesionals in their field and why would they ruin their repuation for this? Again, only those who are suspicious of the offical story would fund it. Do you even know how the Alaska uni is seen in the world? It isn't some mickey mouse college.

Ok here is a simple question, why did the 911 commission ommit WT7 from its report and why did NIST take many years after the event to even discuss this tower? Here's one more, why did the BBC report this tower had fallen when it was still standing?

When have I agreed with everything they have said? This is a strange argument. Stick to the questions I have asked.

Noam Chomsky and George Galloway have a left-leaning bias. But then again, almost all political commentators are somewhat biased.
 
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Its on record the US planned to destroy civilian sites and civilian lives and blame it on Cuba way back in the day, or their lie about the WMDs that cost one MILLION innocent lives, so people who think the US government was somehow involved...well can you blame them? They have been caught with their pants down more than once.

At worst they had some sort of knowledge something was going to happen. Whether they did anything deliberately or sat back knowing attacks are coming I don't know.
 
When you start answering questions, perhaps I will entertain to your questions? Why do you feel you are entlighted to ask anything but answer nothing? lol

So lets start.

1. Why do you think 3000+ professionals and highly aclaimed university would have an agenda to promote this view?

2. Why did NIST ignore the fact fire is not presice enough to take out each column at near the same exact time?

Lets see how you do, if you ask another question instead of answering it, then it shows you are a waste of effort as you have nothing to offer.

How predictable.

You want me to answer questions about your claims? Genius!

You made the claim, created a thread and now are throwing your toys out of the pram after the the most basic of questions.

Did you just read the headline and run with it because it fits a narrative you’re trying to push?

Please don’t try to squirm out like you do with every single topic.
 
1. Lavon Affair.
2. King David Hotel.
3. Gulf of Tonkin. (Lead to Vietnam War).

These events are just some example of verified and proven False Flags operations carried out by Israel/USA. This is no conspiracy, these events are documented, and backed by empirical evidence, to the extent the Israel government had publicly apologized.

So anyone who believes the official narrative of 9/11 should think twice before putting their faith in governments whom have been caught fibbing and conspiring with their pants down.
 
Noam Chomsky and George Galloway have a left-leaning bias. But then again, almost all political commentators are somewhat biased.

He’s actually referring to the authors of the paper.

He seems to be implying that it is advantageous for them to have the bias.
 
I believe that 9/11 was a small piece in a large puzzle.

9/11 was the event that started a new world order (NWO). It gave Zionists/USA the green light to further "Greater Israel" project. The end goal of all the conflicts is to build that third temple. They are waiting for their one-eyed false messiah (Dajjal) who is supposed to come from Isfahan, Iran. It is why they need to invade Iran because that's where Dajjal will come from.

It is interesting many music and movies contain "one eye" (Eye of Providence) symbol. I wonder what that is about. I would love to see Miandadrules comment on it.

You’ve convinced me. We need to let the world know, so please post your sources and I will help you distribute it.


You seem wise beyond your years, so I have ask the most important question facing our society.

Where do you stand on the issue of Humpty Dumpty? Did the King’s men put him back together again or was it just an elaborate ploy and we must put him back together before the day of judgement so the prophecy can be fulfilled?
 
1. Lavon Affair.
2. King David Hotel.
3. Gulf of Tonkin. (Lead to Vietnam War).

These events are just some example of verified and proven False Flags operations carried out by Israel/USA. This is no conspiracy, these events are documented, and backed by empirical evidence, to the extent the Israel government had publicly apologized.

So anyone who believes the official narrative of 9/11 should think twice before putting their faith in governments whom have been caught fibbing and conspiring with their pants down.

It’s one thing being sceptical. It’s a totally different matter if you’re proposing a whole new narrative without any evidence.
 
I believe that 9/11 was a small piece in a large puzzle.

9/11 was the event that started a new world order (NWO). It gave Zionists/USA the green light to further "Greater Israel" project. The end goal of all the conflicts is to build that third temple. They are waiting for their one-eyed false messiah (Dajjal) who is supposed to come from Isfahan, Iran. It is why they need to invade Iran because that's where Dajjal will come from.

It is interesting many music and movies contain "one eye" (Eye of Providence) symbol. I wonder what that is about. I would love to see Miandadrules comment on it.

I think you need to publish a revised edition of One Thousand and One Nights. You clearly have a talent for imaginative fiction.
 
I think you need to publish a revised edition of One Thousand and One Nights. You clearly have a talent for imaginative fiction.

You mean like Eyes Wide Shut? Director of that movie died mysteriously and some parts were edited out (I wonder why). Maybe he revealed too much.

Check out the movie, by the way.
 
I think you need to publish a revised edition of One Thousand and One Nights. You clearly have a talent for imaginative fiction.

I don't take my opinions from sources that expose "freemasons and illuminati", however according to Hadith, Isa (AS) will kill the Dajjal in Israel.

Israel's growing power and influence on this world is a sign of things to come, so [MENTION=141306]sweep_shot[/MENTION] makes some fair points.
 
You mean like Eyes Wide Shut? Director of that movie died mysteriously and some parts were edited out (I wonder why). Maybe he revealed too much.

Check out the movie, by the way.

Kubrick said
“I don't believe in any of Earth's monotheistic religions”

Maybe the religious leaders killed him I wonder why?
 
I love this thread , I’ m glad we can throw around anything.. so much fun
 
Kubrick said
“I don't believe in any of Earth's monotheistic religions”

Maybe the religious leaders killed him I wonder why?

I don't expect any atheist or Hindu to understand Middle East politics. You folks have no connection to Abrahamic faiths. A lot of these things are biblical/theological in nature.

Zionists had the opportunity to make Uganda their homeland but they chose Palestine. Do you know why? Please research all these.
 
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Kubrick said
“I don't believe in any of Earth's monotheistic religions”

Maybe the religious leaders killed him I wonder why?

Religious leaders had no reason to kill him. His movie didn't attack any religion. Did you watch that movie? It was about secret society and occult rituals.

Check out the video:

 
I don't expect any atheist or Hindu to understand Middle East politics. You folks have no connection to Abrahamic faiths. A lot of these things are biblical/theological in nature.

Zionists had the opportunity to make Uganda their homeland but they chose Palestine. Do you know why? Please research all these.

Here's one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Scheme.

Ok,I’m sure if you are persecuted you would choose Uganda over Saudi for a refugee status.
 
Quick question, do you believe that any government or establishment has ever used false flag to start war ?

I think religious and nationalists can do anything, all I ask is both of them to be skeptical of things they believe or atleast accept their hypocrisy , I accept mine.
 
Ok,I’m sure if you are persecuted you would choose Uganda over Saudi for a refugee status.

Have you ever heard of Balfour Declaration? Do you even know what that is?

When Zionists picked Palestine, Saudis didn't discover oil and it was a poor country. Uganda would've been a better choice then.

Again, it is useless to talk about these with atheists and Hindus. You folks don't have any connection to Abrahamic faiths. A Muslim or a Christian can understand these things better.
 
Have you ever heard of Balfour Declaration? Do you even know what that is?

When Zionists picked Palestine, Saudis didn't discover oil and it was a poor country. Uganda would've been a better choice then.

Again, it is useless to talk about these with atheists and Hindus. You folks don't have any connection to Abrahamic faiths. A Muslim or a Christian can understand these things better.

So only Abrahmic faith followers should have a view on Middle east?
 
Religious leaders had no reason to kill him. His movie didn't attack any religion. Did you watch that movie? It was about secret society and occult rituals.

Check out the video:


Alex Jones?

Is this the state of the Muslim intelligentsia?
 
Alex Jones?

Is this the state of the Muslim intelligentsia?

Are you blind? It contains an interview from Sean Stone (who converted to Islam). Sean Stone is the son of famous director Oliver Stone. These folks are connected to Hollywood and probably have better information than you do.

Alex Jones is wack but some of his older stuffs are good. He went into Bohemian Grove undercover and disclosed many nonsense there. If you are ignorant about it, that's your problem.
 
So only Abrahmic faith followers should have a view on Middle east?

I didn't say that. However, it helps to have an Abrahamic background. Dajjal/Antichrist is an Abrahamic concept. Both Muslims and Christians believe in the figure.
 
I didn't say that. However, it helps to have an Abrahamic background. Dajjal/Antichrist is an Abrahamic concept. Both Muslims and Christians believe in the figure.

I know who Dajjal is. He is a short fat dude with one eye and has no left hand. Jesus will return and destroy him along with Jews and Pigs and everyone will live happily ever after.
 
I didn't say that. However, it helps to have an Abrahamic background. Dajjal/Antichrist is an Abrahamic concept. Both Muslims and Christians believe in the figure.

Yea ,the Hindutva ones tell me similar stuff about South Asia..
 
Feel free to believe what you want to believe. We will see who is right.

I am out of this thread. I have already written what I think about 9/11.
 
Are you blind? It contains an interview from Sean Stone (who converted to Islam). Sean Stone is the son of famous director Oliver Stone. These folks are connected to Hollywood and probably have better information than you do.

Alex Jones is wack but some of his older stuffs are good. He went into Bohemian Grove undercover and disclosed many nonsense there. If you are ignorant about it, that's your problem.

Cool.

Present you’re overwhelming evidence and I will believe.

You haven’t provided a shred thus far.
 
Are you blind? It contains an interview from Sean Stone (who converted to Islam). Sean Stone is the son of famous director Oliver Stone. These folks are connected to Hollywood and probably have better information than you do.

Alex Jones is wack but some of his older stuffs are good. He went into Bohemian Grove undercover and disclosed many nonsense there. If you are ignorant about it, that's your problem.

OMG!

Connected to Hollywood? Then it must be true.

Are you referring to systems of control?
 
Feel free to believe what you want to believe. We will see who is right.

I am out of this thread. I have already written what I think about 9/11.

That’s strange.

For someone with so much conviction you couldn’t muster even a cursory defence.

It’s almost as if you’re trying to do what you claim the “protagonist” are doing.
 
That’s strange.

For someone with so much conviction you couldn’t muster even a cursory defence.

It’s almost as if you’re trying to do what you claim the “protagonist” are doing.

He's been talking to you for 2 days. It's not his fault that you can't look outside your box.

Find something else to rant about
 
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He's been talking to you for 2 days. It's not his fault that you can't look outside your box.

Find something else to rant about

From which he has produced an Alex Jones clip and a summary from architects for 9/11.

What exactly am I to conclude from this?

Is this the level of evidence you use to reach your conclusion. If so how can you differentiate from all the other baseless claims?
 
He's been talking to you for 2 days. It's not his fault that you can't look outside your box.

Find something else to rant about

Do you realise the irony of you accusing someone of not thinking out of the box?
 
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