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Was the 1999 World Cup final Pakistan's most painful defeat in a World Cup?

Okay fair enough its always best to move on anyway. But it was a big event and the team that won naturally would like to remember it and other forget it. Normal thing

Yeah agree with you. But one poster here was trying to portray as if whole of India went into mourning and depression which was never the case. Half the people didn't know, other half quickly forgot and moved on in India.
 
Yeah agree with you. But one poster here was trying to portray as if whole of India went into mourning and depression which was never the case. Half the people didn't know, other half quickly forgot and moved on in India.

People forget its a sport at the end of the day and there is always next time.
 
If India won you would be giving it huge importance. The fact is it was the first time Pakistan and India met in an ICC final and India lost so naturally they want to down play it so they can forget it. Its fine by me.

To be honest this is where media and sports channel play an important role, had India won the final that match highlights would still be playing on sports channels so public would be constantly remembering the match.

Since India lost the final highlights is never ever telecasted on sports channels, the India Pakistan group stage CT match highlights are telecasted sometimes since India won that but never the final.

So people forget about it.. If it was a WC final and Pakistan won then it would have been a different story all together you would have watched people throw stones and burn effigies of players.. But CT is just not as popular as world cup and everyone forgets it quickly
 
To be honest this is where media and sports channel play an important role, had India won the final that match highlights would still be playing on sports channels so public would be constantly remembering the match.

Since India lost the final highlights is never ever telecasted on sports channels, the India Pakistan group stage CT match highlights are telecasted sometimes since India won that but never the final.

So people forget about it.. If it was a WC final and Pakistan won then it would have been a different story all together you would have watched people throw stones and burn effigies of players.. But CT is just not as popular as world cup and everyone forgets it quickly

Okay fair observation.
 
To be honest this is where media and sports channel play an important role, had India won the final that match highlights would still be playing on sports channels so public would be constantly remembering the match.

Since India lost the final highlights is never ever telecasted on sports channels, the India Pakistan group stage CT match highlights are telecasted sometimes since India won that but never the final.

So people forget about it.. If it was a WC final and Pakistan won then it would have been a different story all together you would have watched people throw stones and burn effigies of players.. But CT is just not as popular as world cup and everyone forgets it quickly

I don't totally agree with you. People in India are no longer that emotional about Indo Pak matches. If India plays good cricket throughout the WC and loses in the final to Pakistan I don't feel there will be stone throwing and effigy burning.
 
I don't totally agree with you. People in India are no longer that emotional about Indo Pak matches. If India plays good cricket throughout the WC and loses in the final to Pakistan I don't feel there will be stone throwing and effigy burning.

That is because Pakistan team is no longer a world beating team, they are 2nd tier at best. Same is the case for West Indies and to a lesser extent Sri Lanka. Nothing much to gain from beating a team you are expected to do anyway.
 
Was the 1999 World Cup final, Pakistan's most painful defeat in the World Cup?

yes, coupled with T20 WC final defeat..
 
I don't totally agree with you. People in India are no longer that emotional about Indo Pak matches. If India plays good cricket throughout the WC and loses in the final to Pakistan I don't feel there will be stone throwing and effigy burning.

People in cities are not mostly in Delhi kids are these days into football more than cricket.. But go to balia, Varanasi, etawah, Allahabad etc etc people there are still crazy about cricket and will be very vocal if India lose to Pakistan in final. If it's a close match the sensible ones will just be heartbroken but if India gets demolished like in CT final trust me you will see a lot of anger on news.
 
If India won you would be giving it huge importance. The fact is it was the first time Pakistan and India met in an ICC final and India lost so naturally they want to down play it so they can forget it. Its fine by me.

Can't speak about others, but it did hurt me a lot. In fact it still hurts me. Kya karen, haar jeet to hotin rahtin hain. We have to move on from that.
 
closer matches hurt more than one sided thrashings.

all pakistan had to do at mohali was catch tendulkar, they would have won.

if odi innings had 1 review per innings like they do now (instead of the two per innings at that time), then tendulkar would not been able to overturn his lbw and pakistan would have won.

mohali hurt even more because sri lanka were there for the taking in the final. pakistan would have won at mumbai, right in front of shev sena's face, and that would have been beautiful.
 
Can't speak about others, but it did hurt me a lot. In fact it still hurts me. Kya karen, haar jeet to hotin rahtin hain. We have to move on from that.

Its part of sport and moving on is best. One way of doing it is to down play the even, as I said this is totally natural and we all do it.
 
Pakistan in the 1999 world cup

Wasti
Anwar
Razzaq
Ijaz A
Inzy
Salim Malik
Afridi
Moin Khan
A Mahmood
Wasim Akram
Akthar

Waqur
Yohanna
Mushy

Very talented and dynamic team, dynamic batsman. Had batting depth and bowlers.

What went wrong, was this due to adventurousness of the batsman?
 
Batting first having won the toss in the final in good bowling conditions.

Highly questionable decision from Wasim Akram.
 
I remember not being able to sleep the night before the 1999 World Cup final, I was that excited.

We had a house full and the atmosphere was electric. Hopes were high as Pakistan had been excellent in large parts of the tournament and had so many matchwinners in the line-up.

However what transpired was painful, embarassing and frankly difficult to stomach.

I remember the match being over literally in a few hours and the day being ruined.

It took me a long time to get over that defeat and it still hurts !

Do you think that defeat in the 1999 World Cup final is the most painful defeat ever for Pakistan at the world cup?

I had much the same feelings as you in 99 - before, during, and after, but I think the most painful for me was 2007. To have come so close and to lose it in that manner was just too much.
 
It was difficult to decide between QF 96, WC Final 99 and Mohali Semi Final at that time but now when I look back we haven't been able to reach another WC final since 99 and such a strong Pakistani team should have given some fight. So definitely 99 Final
 
A great World Cup won by the most clutch team in the tournament. That OZ vs SA semi was the final imo. Pakistan did not impress in the Super sixes.

On the other hand, Australia went from strength to strength and had won continuously after their initial losses.

As for the toss, it wasnt that controversial at the time. Pakistan had chosen to bat first throughout the tournament.
Steve Waugh said he was ok with losing the toss as he wasnt sure but would have probably batted.

Also there was not much movement. There was bounce in the track because it was a fresh surface and McGrath exploited it.
Wasim may have been a shady person but that toss decision was not why Pakistan lost
 
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Definitely the biggest and one of the most disappointing loss for Pak across any format, given that Pak had shown its might in the league match at Headingley vs AUS who performed good as well.

Win counts before final:
Pak: 6 of 9
SA: 6 (semi was tie) of 9
AUS: 6 (semi was tie) of 9

Quite misleading to say that SA team (barring Klusener) were more deserving finalists than Pak team. SA had a bad day of losing to Zimbabwe as well. SA could not defend 272 vs Aus in Super Six, and despite a good start of 48-0, got all out while chasing 214 in Semi. Even in the Pak vs SA Super Six match, Pak had dominated the match and decimated SA to 58-5, but Klusener snatched it away at the end.

After SA was knocked out, the Pak vs Aus final was expected to be a great match between two well-balanced teams. However, Pak's performance was disappointing on the day; the resilience which was seen in previous matches was missing, and that too in WC final. To top it all, 6 members (of which 4 were consistently in playing 11) of that Pak squad were WC 92 winners. Hence it is considered as biggest loss for Pak.
 
It was most impactful defeat as it was an ODI World Cup final.

Pakistan were favorites to win the final but they somehow imploded.
 
A great World Cup won by the most clutch team in the tournament. That OZ vs SA semi was the final imo. Pakistan did not impress in the Super sixes.

On the other hand, Australia went from strength to strength and had won continuously after their initial losses.

As for the toss, it wasnt that controversial at the time. Pakistan had chosen to bat first throughout the tournament.
Steve Waugh said he was ok with losing the toss as he wasnt sure but would have probably batted.

Also there was not much movement. There was bounce in the track because it was a fresh surface and McGrath exploited it.
Wasim may have been a shady person but that toss decision was not why Pakistan lost

Our overall strategy was to defend a total due to our powerful bowling line-up and this method also worked in 1992. Having said that, we batted second in the semi final and chased down 240 odd against the Kiwis and there was wintery showers in London just three hours before the final so deciding to bat first on that particular day seemed very strange indeed.
 
Don’t know about the most devastating - prob 1996 QF.

However, it was devastating in a different way - the biggest anti climax after all the expectation and the excellence of the semi final victory. We weren’t in the game after Saeed Anwar got out. He looked in supreme form.
 
Don’t know about the most devastating - prob 1996 QF.

However, it was devastating in a different way - the biggest anti climax after all the expectation and the excellence of the semi final victory. We weren’t in the game after Saeed Anwar got out. He looked in supreme form.

Saeed Anwar was in blistering form and was batting beautifully in the final until that grip change
 
Anwar was in good form considering the back to back centuries in the two matches (vs Zimb and NZ) before the final, therefore his performance would have mattered a lot. However, even with Anwar's unimpressive contributions, Pak had managed to score 220+ in earlier matches. But in the final, none of the other key players (Ijaz, Inzimam, Moin, Wasim, Azhar) stuck around and Yousuf was missing (due to injury) as well.
 
Anwar was in good form considering the back to back centuries in the two matches (vs Zimb and NZ) before the final, therefore his performance would have mattered a lot. However, even with Anwar's unimpressive contributions, Pak had managed to score 220+ in earlier matches. But in the final, none of the other key players (Ijaz, Inzimam, Moin, Wasim, Azhar) stuck around and Yousuf was missing (due to injury) as well.

Moin, Wasim and Azhar bailed Pakistan out a lot in the early games so I can give them a pass. It’s not their job to do it in every game. We also missed a trick by not risking yousuf in that game.

Ijaz and Inzi though really needed to stand up and be counted. They both failed in both 96 QF and 99 Final. Inzi’s only saving grace was 1992 WC and that knock vs Aus in the group game 99 WC. Apart from that he was pretty pathetic in all crucial World Cup games, non existent in 2003 WC and poor in 2007.

Ijaz’ batting was pathetic in all world cups he played in.
 
Losing Saeed Anwar early in the innings was a hammer blow.

He had been the form batter for Pakistan and a lot was on his shoulders. Once he was out it was a procession of meek and unnecessary dismissals.

Pakistan were never in the match and seemed to be mentally gone against the Aussies.
 
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