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Is his selection in the Indian ODI team so early at the age of 18 years justified?

Is there no other spinning all rounder who is better than him in India?

Lets watch his performance.. :bhajji

I think he will get a game or two this series then we wont see him again for a long time. :ashwin

I dont mind being proved wrong though....
 
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Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, out Bowled!! Maiden international wicket for the 18-year old; off the 9th delivery he bowled. Thirimanne b Washington Sundar 21(35) [4s-1]
Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, THAT'S OUT!! Bowled!!

Damn!!!! Gets his first ever ODI wicket in his 9th delivery
 
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Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, out Bowled!! Maiden international wicket for the 18-year old; off the 9th delivery he bowled. Thirimanne b Washington Sundar 21(35) [4s-1]
Washington Sundar to Thirimanne, THAT'S OUT!! Bowled!!

Damn!!!! Gets his first ever ODI wicket in his 9th delivery
india has been so good recently in producing every type of spinners, finger,wrist,LOA,chinaman,....
 
I found his bowling to be very average. Nothing special. Based on bowling alone, he does not deserve a spot in the team.

He is an all rounder. So who knows how he bats. But overall, he is very average. I will put his bowling on par with Jayant Yadav. Bits and Pieces.
 
I found his bowling to be very average. Nothing special. Based on bowling alone, he does not deserve a spot in the team.

He is an all rounder. So who knows how he bats. But overall, he is very average. I will put his bowling on par with Jayant Yadav. Bits and Pieces.
Below average, he just darts the balls in, if he doesn't improve his bowling & fielding he doesn't deserve a spot above Jadeja, or potentially Krunal ~ if he's still in the mix.

On fielding & bowling Jadeja gets the nod ahead of these two, his experience as well.
 
Below average, he just darts the balls in, if he doesn't improve his bowling & fielding he doesn't deserve a spot above Jadeja, or potentially Krunal ~ if he's still in the mix.

On fielding & bowling Jadeja gets the nod ahead of these two, his experience as well.

Unless Sundar bats like a proper batsman, it will be hard to pick him over the likes of Jaddu, Kuldeep.

He is only 18. I want to see him bat. If he can clear the ropes with ease, its a bonus.
 
Unless Sundar bats like a proper batsman, it will be hard to pick him over the likes of Jaddu, Kuldeep.

He is only 18. I want to see him bat. If he can clear the ropes with ease, its a bonus.

Watch his duleep trophy final innings. And watch his bowling in that !arch too.
 
Anyone following Washington Sundar's game?

How is he doing as a bowler. Only from stats, he could be an interesting pick for a 2nd spinner in ODIs.

His first class stats show that he can bat at 8 in ODIs, and seems to be decent bowler. How was he in IPL 2018?
 
Anyone following Washington Sundar's game?

How is he doing as a bowler. Only from stats, he could be an interesting pick for a 2nd spinner in ODIs.

His first class stats show that he can bat at 8 in ODIs, and seems to be decent bowler. How was he in IPL 2018?

He didn't do bowl that well in recent ipl. He was struggling with injuries this past season.

kid is a natural cricketer and I personally think he has a test batsman in him.
 
India surprised everyone by handing out the Test cap to Washington Sundar today at the Gabba. Interesting selection considering he hasn't played a FC game for 3+ years. Lets hope he does well.
 
Makes a lucky debut after Jadeja and Ashwin both get injured, in Brisbane, in Australia's toughest Fortress, and gets Steve Smith as his first test wicket.

Wow! It's feels like a movie script.
 
Forget his bowling!

53* so far in an amazing fightback for India in 4th Test!
 
Jaddu’s replacement but seems like a better test bat for now.. has to keep improving.
 
I was completely clueless about his batting ability, honestly thought he was a poor man's replacement for Ashwin and that the Indian tail was a bit too long with Washington batting at 7. :ravi vindicated again.
 
I was completely clueless about his batting ability, honestly thought he was a poor man's replacement for Ashwin and that the Indian tail was a bit too long with Washington batting at 7. :ravi vindicated again.

His performance is not surprising at all. The conditioning of this Indian team is incredible.

Shastri will finally get the credit he deserves. A brilliant motivator.

All the nonsense talk of sacking him should end now. He deserves a new contract.
 
His performance is not surprising at all. The conditioning of this Indian team is incredible.

Shastri will finally get the credit he deserves. A brilliant motivator.

All the nonsense talk of sacking him should end now. He deserves a new contract.

Shastri's detractors hate his personality too much to change their opinion now.

But I agree, you called it before the match that Sundar will take to test cricket as a duck to water.
 
He is a good batsman and he is grabbed this opportunity with both hand. In a full fleged Indian team he migh not even get selected in the squad . Now he reserves his birth in the squad with this performance. He might end up regular in playing XI
 
Shastri's detractors hate his personality too much to change their opinion now.

But I agree, you called it before the match that Sundar will take to test cricket as a duck to water.

One of the major reasons for India’s success in Test cricket over the last 5-6 years is that their two best spinners are also very competent with the bat.

It is a great luxury because Ashwin and Jadeja would be their first-choice spinners even if they were bunnies with the bat.

It seems like Washington is following the same path. His performance here is not a fluke. He will have a long and successful Test career.
 
Tremedous character shown by Sundar!

So proud of you bro.

Keep growing. :14:
 
One of the major reasons for India’s success in Test cricket over the last 5-6 years is that their two best spinners are also very competent with the bat.

It is a great luxury because Ashwin and Jadeja would be their first-choice spinners even if they were bunnies with the bat.

It seems like Washington is following the same path. His performance here is not a fluke. He will have a long and successful Test career.

Yea but he is probably not a proper Test spinner yet.

Only started bowling seriously in the last 3-4 years. He's just 21 though, so hopefully works on his bowling now.
 
Washington has looked like a proper test bat. Really impressed. More impressed with his batting than his bowling.
 
Can't believe that he played proper cricketing shots against quality bowling attack.
Outplayed all specialist batsmen.
 
It seems like Washington is following the same path. His performance here is not a fluke. He will have a long and successful Test career.

Hopefully gets at least a game against Eng at home as third spinner

Strangely, but for IPL this guy would not have been selected in the first place
 
Washington Sundar's 6 off Nathan Lyon was sweet to watch, turned his head the other way and smacked a big one. This performance definitely does not have an asterisk next to it :inti

He reminds of Yuvraj at the crease without the explosive stroke play.
 
Washington Sundar - 62 & 3/89
Shardul Thakur - 67 & 3/94

For 1st time, Two Indian players Scored Half Century & Picked 3 Wickets in a Test in Australia
 
Washington Sundar's 45no is the highest Test score by a No7 debutant visiting Australia since December 1911.
 
Sundar is a batsman first.

What a brilliant debut.

He can blossom into a genuine AR.

Successor of Jaddu.
 
His performance is not surprising at all. The conditioning of this Indian team is incredible.

Shastri will finally get the credit he deserves. A brilliant motivator.

All the nonsense talk of sacking him should end now. He deserves a new contract.

It's Rahane who has the led the fightback.Shatri-Kohli led to 36-9 and series losses in Eng,SA,NZ
 
He could be a No 6 batsman for India. Pretty Solid, left hander and is more than useful bowler. Should be in all 3 formats for me.
 
It's Rahane who has the led the fightback.Shatri-Kohli led to 36-9 and series losses in Eng,SA,NZ

Many posters conveniently ignore that. :P

Even the selections have paid off when in the past, its what would cause us to lose.

I don't know who is the main think tank WITH rahane (maybe Shastri or not) but whatever they are doing is working.

As someone said... The quiet confidence exuded by Rahane is farrr rr more scarier than all of Kohlis aggression.

If results are what matters, then Rahane must be credited too. What extent I dunno.
 
Can take over after Ashwin retires too.Hope Ash trains how to bowl

His bowling style is more similar to Jaddu.

Hopefully Ash teaches him how to flight and slow it down.

Not sure whether he will get to Ash Jaddu level bowling but time will tell.

Lots of potential as a batsman.

In all formats of the game.
 
Many posters conveniently ignore that. :P

Even the selections have paid off when in the past, its what would cause us to lose.

I don't know who is the main think tank WITH rahane (maybe Shastri or not) but whatever they are doing is working.

As someone said... The quiet confidence exuded by Rahane is farrr rr more scarier than all of Kohlis aggression.

If results are what matters, then Rahane must be credited too. What extent I dunno.

Rahane is fantastic as a captain but not reliable as batsman. Kohli is fantastic as batsman not reliable as captain. The dilemma...
 
He could be a No 6 batsman for India. Pretty Solid, left hander and is more than useful bowler. Should be in all 3 formats for me.
Agree.
Many people trolled him when he got selected in t20 and ODI team.
He is lot better than Krunal Pandya.
 
Rahane is fantastic as a captain but not reliable as batsman. Kohli is fantastic as batsman not reliable as captain. The dilemma...

Easy solution.Make Rahane the captain as hes not going anywhere anyway

Might improve his batting too as we saw in MCG
 
His bowling style is more similar to Jaddu.

Hopefully Ash teaches him how to flight and slow it down.

Not sure whether he will get to Ash Jaddu level bowling but time will tell.

Lots of potential as a batsman.

In all formats of the game.

I meant in terms of offspin.His action is similar to Ash but yes darts.

Anyway we need a batting AR in ODIs even.He can be that

Still not over his no-look six :P
 
As expected, folks will refuse to give any credit to Shastri whatsoever, resorting to the usual mental gymnastics. Lunatics.
 
Youngest Indian to Score 50+ & Pick 3 Wickets in SENA

TEST
Ravi Shastri - 20yrs 42days
Washington - 21yrs 102days*

ODI
Yuvraj Singh - 20yrs 199days
Ravi Shastri - 22yrs 282days
 
To be honest, he batted with the class of top order batsman today. My word, I didn't know he can bat that well and can look that elegant!!!
 
His bowling style is more similar to Jaddu.

Hopefully Ash teaches him how to flight and slow it down.

Not sure whether he will get to Ash Jaddu level bowling but time will tell.

Lots of potential as a batsman.

In all formats of the game.

Backup option for Jaddu, genuine all-rounder IMO.

Ash replacement has to be Kuldeep or maybe some young guys like Bishnoi.
 
As expected, folks will refuse to give any credit to Shastri whatsoever, resorting to the usual mental gymnastics. Lunatics.

Why so much tension bhai lol.

Shastri is a guy who made the most of his. limited talent through the sheer power of his mind.

The positivity that he imparts works obviously.

But he is a one trick pony who only knows how to do that.

When it works, it looks like magic.

When it flops, it looks like the idiotic thing in the world.

Shahid afridi style.

You might not remember it but the way we fought in 2017 Aus series where we won after being at the brink of a series loss was nothing shot of magical. And it showed what this team was capable of.

Who was the coach? Kumble.

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What happened happened in Aus is that Shastri's mindless positivity is mixed with certain traits that has led to people feeling they are truly part of a larger cause and each one is just as important.

You can see players having a sense of belonging here as opposed to the past.

You can go back and read the interviews of Ash on how he turned a corner in 2014.

Shastri was all bleating about meaningless platitudes when it was Bharat Arun who helped him understand his game better and thereby gain confidence.

Shastri type person is needed but life is a lot more nuanced and complex to just work with such a uni-dimensional approach.

Especially when its being applied to a variety of players with different dreams, hopes, fears and skillsets.

If you doubt me, you can take Shastri's style of operation and apply it to a weaker team and the results will be mostly underwhelming.

Shastri's trait has been mixed with *something else* and that combo has created magic.

Sure, if you wanna credit it all to Shastri and make it all seem like a movie...go ahead.

But real life usually doesn't work that way.
 
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day - Ravi shastri book of coaching
 
Why so much tension bhai lol.

Shastri is a guy who made the most of his. limited talent through the sheer power of his mind.

The positivity that he imparts works obviously.

But he is a one trick pony who only knows how to do that.

When it works, it looks like magic.

When it flops, it looks like the idiotic thing in the world.

Shahid afridi style.

You might not remember it but the way we fought in 2017 Aus series where we won after being at the brink of a series loss was nothing shot of magical. And it showed what this team was capable of.

Who was the coach? Kumble.

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What happened happened in Aus is that Shastri's mindless positivity is mixed with certain traits that has led to people feeling they are truly part of a larger cause and each one is just as important.

You can see players having a sense of belonging here as opposed to the past.

You can go back and read the interviews of Ash on how he turned a corner in 2014.

Shastri was all bleating about meaningless platitudes when it was Bharat Arun who helped him understand his game better and thereby gain confidence.

Shastri type person is needed but life is a lot more nuanced and complex to just work with such a uni-dimensional approach.

Especially when its being applied to a variety of players with different dreams, hopes, fears and skillsets.

If you doubt me, you can take Shastri's style of operation and apply it to a weaker team and the results will be mostly underwhelming.

Shastri's trait has been mixed with *something else* and that combo has created magic.

Sure, if you wanna credit it all to Shastri and make it all seem like a movie...go ahead.

But real life usually doesn't work that way.

No, I actually think Shastri himself is signifcantly more nuanced and complex than how people portray him. He's far from a one-dimensional character, his whole career is testament to this. The fighting spirit, mentality, and sheer doggedness that has become a hallmark of this Indian team is exactly how Shastri was during his playing career.

Ignore the way he talks or portrays himself in the media, that's all superficial rubbish which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. He was always known as an intelligent cricketer with signficant tactical know-how. Technically he is obviously not all that, but the idea that he has improved as a coach over the last few years is not very far-fetched.

At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.
 
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At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.

Typo, should read:

*blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to his coaching staff, while extolling a hundred other factors is hilarious.
 
No, I actually think Shastri himself is signifcantly more nuanced and complex than how people portray him. He's far from a one-dimensional character, his whole career is testament to this. The fighting spirit, mentality, and sheer doggedness that has become a hallmark of this Indian team is exactly how Shastri was during his playing career.

Ignore the way he talks or portrays himself in the media, that's all superficial rubbish which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. He was always known as an intelligent cricketer with signficant tactical know-how. Technically he is obviously not all that, but the idea that he has improved as a coach over the last few years is not very far-fetched.

At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.


I guess people scoff at Shastri-Kohli combo rather than Shastri alone.Because then Shastri merely acts as a yesman and never questions Kohli

With Kohli absent,he has had more authority and Rahane has also complemented him
 
No, I actually think Shastri himself is signifcantly more nuanced and complex than how people portray him. He's far from a one-dimensional character, his whole career is testament to this. The fighting spirit, mentality, and sheer doggedness that has become a hallmark of this Indian team is exactly how Shastri was during his playing career.

Ignore the way he talks or portrays himself in the media, that's all superficial rubbish which is meaningless in the grand scheme of things. He was always known as an intelligent cricketer with signficant tactical know-how. Technically he is obviously not all that, but the idea that he has improved as a coach over the last few years is not very far-fetched.

At the end of the day, many people don't like him, and that's fair enough, but the blank refusal from Indian fans to credit this turnaround to a hundred other factors other than his coaching staff is still hilarious.

You might be right about Shastri's nuance. We might never know.

If he is given zero credit for this performance, then it's wrong.

But I am not sure about this turn-around attributed to him.

He has been with the team for 3 years (excluding his prev stint before Kumble). And we have fumbled from one fiasco to another in terms of selection, strategy, etc.

In Asia and WI, we didn't pay the price cos some players played OUT of their skin to save India.

But in SA and Eng, we did pay the price.

Now everything seems to be clicking perfectly.

Rahane came on board.

Every single selection in MCG was spot on and he had to make 3-4 changes where mistakes are highly likely.

The body language of seniors was different.

It was not about a player (Kohli) anymore. This was a Rahane's, Ashwin's, Pujara's, Rohit's, Bumrah's team as anyone else's.

And the mindset of players felt different.

It was like everyone was playing to prove a point.

There was fear or insecurity (which was very palpable before Kohli left).

Then SCG came and our bats royally messed up.

And that triggered a survival mechanism which I honestly hadn't seen in Indian cricket in a long long time.

We prevailed.

And now in Gabba where the team had to go with a rookie attack.

Sundar's selection and Kuldeep's exclusion raised some eyebrows but it turned out to be spot on. Still feel Kuldeep should have played. Anyways....

The point being.....

Compare this tour to the SA, Eng tours where made changes and there was a HEAVEN & EARTH difference.

Yes, Shastri has been a positive influence (Thakur credited what his knock to Shastri) but there's something else happening in the background.

What I don't know.

But it seems to be working.

I have never seen an Indian team fighting like this against all odds.

Ever.

If Shastri could do all this himself, he would have shown it before.

Another theory could be that Shastri ain't the issue....It's his combo with Kohli which is where that guy's dominating personality over-rides everything.

Anyways, we can only speculate.
 
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I guess people scoff at Shastri-Kohli combo rather than Shastri alone.Because then Shastri merely acts as a yesman and never questions Kohli

With Kohli absent,he has had more authority and Rahane has also complemented him

Kohli had a HUGE issue with Kumble with Kuldeep's selection for the Dharamashala test.

And yet it was Kuldeep who won us that test and clinched the series.

Not undermining Kohli's captaincy but when it comes to wrong tactics, Kohli has been wrong so many times, it's not even funny.
 
You might be right about Shastri. We might never know.

If he is given zero credit for this performance, then it's wrong.

But I am not sure about this turn-around attributed to him.

He has been with the team for 3 years (excluding his prev stint before Kumble). And we have fumbled from one fiasco to another in terms of selection, strategy, etc.

In Asia and WI, we didn't pay the price cos some players played OUT of their skin to save India.

But in SA and Eng, we did pay the price.

Now everything seems to be clicking perfectly.

Rahane came on board.

Every single selection in MCG was spot on and he had to make 3-4 changes where mistakes are highly likely.

The body language of seniors was different.

It was not about a player (Kohli) anymore. This was a Rahane's, Ashwin's, Pujara's, Rohit's, Bumrah's team as anyone else's.

And the mindset of players felt different.

It was like everyone was playing to prove a point.

There was fear or insecurity (which was very palpable before Kohli left).

Then SCG came and our bats royally messed up.

And that triggered a survival mechanism which I honestly hadn't seen in Indian cricket in a long long time.

We prevailed.

And now in Gabba where the team had to go with a rookie attack.

Sundar's selection and Kuldeep's exclusion raised some eyebrows but it turned out to be spot on. Still feel Kuldeep should have played. Anyways....

The point being.....

Compare this tour to the SA, Eng tours where made changes and there was a HEAVEN & EARTH difference.

Yes, Shastri has been a positive influence (Thakur credited what his knock to Shastri) but there's something else happening in the background.

What I don't know.

But it seems to be working.

I have never seen an Indian team fighting like this against all odds.

Ever.

If Shastri could do all this himself, he would have shown it before.

Another theory could be that Shastri ain't the issue....It's his combo with Kohli which is where that guy's dominating personality over-rides everything.

Anyways, we can only speculate.

Yes, it's more likely that the senior players in the team were a bit stunted due to Kohli's domineering personality in the past, and his absence has left them liberated. They have added no one else to that backroom staff, so what we are seeing in plain sight is probably all that's there.

I am not so blase to think that the turnaround is solely attributable to Shastri, and Rahane obviously should be praised for allowing the team to shine. I reckon that Rahane is significantly more capable tactically than Kohli and that has helped in this test with an inexperienced bowling attack.

However, the mentality part is still down to Shastri, given his extensive use of mental conditioning, and he has successfully leveraged adversity to create a siege mentality in the dressing room. You see this in other sports all the time.
 
Kohli had a HUGE issue with Kumble with Kuldeep's selection for the Dharamashala test.

And yet it was Kuldeep who won us that test and clinched the series.

Not undermining Kohli's captaincy but when it comes to wrong tactics, Kohli has been wrong so many times, it's not even funny.

Yes and the problem is he holds too much power for anyone to question him.Only Shastri can,but he clearly choses not to.

Shastri Rahane can be a good combo,maybe.But not going to happen
 
So Ashwin, Sundar & Kuldeep in the first test against England?
 
The cumins over changed a lot, top 6 that shot was, Amazing debut , could see he was gutted to get out that way!
 
So Ashwin, Sundar & Kuldeep in the first test against England?

Siraj and Ishant definitely. Bumrah can get a rest, he will have T20 workload to follow.

Umesh if fit should be in the mix as well.
 
Siraj and Ishant definitely. Bumrah can get a rest, he will have T20 workload to follow.

Umesh if fit should be in the mix as well.
Bumrah WILL play in England test series, if fit no matter what. These are elite test series and all top Indian cricketers will play in it, subject to their fitness.
 
A genuine all-rounder. He seems to have belief in his abilities and he is fearless. I wish we had such a player.
 
Very impressed by him & i jusw saw his age - 21 yrs old! He definitely has a cool head on his shoulders. If he can develop his bowling skills, will be a good replacement for Ashwin one day soon.
 
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