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From Shane Warne's Facebook:

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My article and thoughts on the ball tampering issue....

Like every other Australian and cricket lover around the world was shocked and angered by what we saw in Cape Town.

To hear that the Australian cricket team had been involved in pre-mediated cheating is something that is embarrassing. There is no way you can condone it.

We are all so hurt and angry and maybe we weren’t so sure how to react. We’d just never seen it before.

But the jump to hysteria is something that has elevated the offence beyond what they actually did, and maybe we’re at a point where the punishment just might not fit the crime.

The hysteria has gone world wide, and everyone that dislikes the way the Australian cricket team has played, and over the past five or so years there have been rumblings about the way this team has gone about things, have been given the opportunity to lay the boots in.

There are thoose countries that don’t like Australia, don’t like individuals in the team, and there has been a build up of hate which has exploded and created this tornado of hysteria.

But what are the players guilty of ? Cheating via Ball tampering and bringing the game into disrepute.

Their opposing captain in this series, South Africa’s Faf du Plessis, has been charged with the offence twice, and opening bowler Vernon Philander once. The list of players who have been charged with ball tampering is long and contains some of the biggest names in the game, like Sachin Tendulkar and Mike Atherton.

Then there’s the idea of pre-meditated cheating. But are there levels of ball tampering, or is it just ball tampering ? is putting a mint in your pocket so you can shine a ball on the field pre-meditated cheating, or just ball tampering. What about putting sunscreen on the ball? You either ball tamper or you don’t.

For that reason, I don’t think at the moment talk of the punishment is fitting the crime ie a 12 month ban.

They have been charged with breaching the spirit of the game, something that is so important to us Australians, and something which was important to every team I played in. At times we made mistakes, and we pushed things too far.

But the win at all costs attitude in modern sport can make people do stupid things. I think Steve Smith was guilty of making a severe error of judgement. He was naïve and you can’t condone what he did. He’d be devastated.

Let’s look at his recent history though, as a captain, and a person. He’s been fantastic for the Australian team. But he has made a very silly mistake.

I am still trying to wrestle with what I think the punishment should be. They have to be harsh, but if they are rubbed out for a year, the punishment does not fit the crime.

Let’s take the emotion out of it. We are all feeling angry and embarrassed. But you need a level head and you shouldn’t destroy someone unless they deserve to be destroyed.

Their actions were indefendable, and they need to be severely punished. But I don’t think a one year ban is the answer.

My punishment would have been to miss the fourth Tests match, a huge fine, and be sacked as captain and vice-captain.

But they should still be allowed to play after that.

Darren Lehmann has been cleared of knowing what went on too, which has surprised plenty, but that’s all part of the hysteria.

It’s easy to say “as if Boof didn’t know”. But all we can go is what we’ve been told. This is too big a deal, too big a story, there is too much at stake for the game and James Sutherland to lose - not tell the truth.

We are all struggling to believe what he said, that it was just the three players who knew what was happening, that the coach had to know. We all saw him on the walkie talkie. But you have to take James at his word.

In the teams I played in everyone has to be on the same page to get the ball to reverse. If one player shines it wrong, or gets the dry side wet, it doesn’t work.

But the plan, throwing it in to the ground, bowling cross seam, whatever it was, it would have been set out a long time ago, not in the dressing room at lunch. So in this case, I can understand why a lot of people may not have known.

I feel for everyone involved, for Steve Smith and Dave warner and Cameron Bancroft, and I know what they are going through.

When things like this happen, it comes at you from all angles and you think there is no way out. You start thinking about how to win back the trust, of your teammates and the worldwide public.

It happens, by way of your actions and time.

The Australian public can be harsh and judgemental. But time heals. What the public wants to see is a change. They want to see you make change, be a better person. They’ll support you if they see that along with forgive you.

I made lots of mistakes in my life, and will continue to make them as it’s called being human. I have always said to younger players, don’t worry about how many runs you make or how many tests you play, people will always judge you by the way you play the game.

It’s Australian to play it hard, and tough. But not win at all costs. And never cheat. Cheating is un-Australian.

We hold our sportsmen and women in such high regard, that’s why this hurts so much.

But they can come back from this, and they will. Lastly, world cricket need to take this opportunity to set new standards for on field play and Australia need to lead the way & gain respect from everyone and give all the young boys and girls a reason to want to play cricket and be proud of our national team.
 
Lol, Warne just sticking up for fellow Aussies. Am pretty sure if these were non-Aussies involved he wouldn't really be bothered.
 
Warne should know a thing or two about cheating...and a thing or two about getting away with it. CA are quite right in the way they have handled Smith, Warner and Bancroft. It's a shame lehman has escaped with zero punishment.

There is a world of difference between ball tampering spur of the moment, and pre meditating, planning and executing with numerous players and backroom staff in on the plan.

What has created, or further exaggerated the "hysteria" as Warne labels it is the holier than thou attitude Australia have always showcased, for decades and the fact that over the last 18 months or so, this team has been animalistic in behaviour, savage, lying, throwing tantrums, abusing beyond the simple boundaries of sledging, trying to get into physical confrontation time and time again. Actually, I take back the 18 month time period, it has gone on longer than that, when the Australians threatened to break Anderson's arm, or get into a screaming match with the calm and professional ALeem Dar.

Nothing much was done about it, time and time again excuses were made, things were laughed off and it was quoted "this is the Australian way"...well if it is the Australian way, then cricket should have no part in it. Tougher punishments should have been dished out long before today. The fact that it has finally happened should finally bring some integrity and humanity to CA. Play tough, but play fair.
 
Think a point of view needs to be respected that this isnt a crime - more like an error of judgement (of many individuals) who will be punished by crowds everytime they come out to play
 
Please dont take Shame Warne's recommendations. Its a well known fact that he likes Steve Smith and before that Michael Clarke, He had an influence on who should be Australian Captain and unfortunately he got his way and now look whats happened. Also he suggested that Darren Lehman should be coach but at the time Justin Langer was up for the role and in my opinion Langer should have got the job as he is a man of integrity, he wouldnt have allowed any of this. How darren got the job is beyond me.
 
One thing that can be said is that CA have ensured this will never again be an issue they have to contend with.

If the PCB had taken similarly strong-handed approaches towards offences such as fixing then perhaps the fiasco with Sharjeel and Co. could've been avoided.

The punishment in this case is a tad harsh but fair play to CA for doing it. Sets a strong example and one all cricket boards should follow in this regard.
 
Warne mentioned Sachin. Might face a public backlash of his own :srt
 
There is simply no way that the coach and bowlers didn't know. Just not possible IMHO.
 
Punishment is harsh. Striping them of the captaincy roles would have been enough.
 
Think a point of view needs to be respected that this isnt a crime - more like an error of judgement (of many individuals) who will be punished by crowds everytime they come out to play

If breaking the rules isn't a crime, a thieve isn't a criminal. It's another matter that this is a relatively very small crime compared to the ridiculous parallels between match fixing that people are drawing.
 
100% agreed with Warnie here.. The punishment is a joke, 1 year ban for tampering? Ridiculous!!
 
Clearly all of you are saints.
Millennials have destroyed the world.
End of cheating and sledging is the end of cricket we 40yos grew up with and loved.
 
punishment is surprisingly just and will do wonders to curb tampering in all nations.

My only criticism is that warner should have got less than Smith. Even symbolically like 10 months would be fine. Warner just isnt as much fault as the captain.

If we’d taken over the top measures against fixing maybe we wouldnt have had repeated fixing scandals.
 
Sorry I agree with Warne here. Probably in the last few years we could believe only Afridi's ridiculous biting of the ball was unplanned as you can never plan such a thing. The rest of them are pre-planned and pre-discussed. The English team openly admitting that they used mints to shine the ball to get it to reverse was not a spur of the moment decision. Smith did a big mistake and he needs to be punished but banning him for a year was excessive.
 
One thing that can be said is that CA have ensured this will never again be an issue they have to contend with.

If the PCB had taken similarly strong-handed approaches towards offences such as fixing then perhaps the fiasco with Sharjeel and Co. could've been avoided.

The punishment in this case is a tad harsh but fair play to CA for doing it. Sets a strong example and one all cricket boards should follow in this regard.

That's pretty ignorant. Sharjeel was already involved in fixing im domestic cricket before he even began his intl career, by the time he made it on the world stage the bookies already had evidence against him and used it as blackmail. The PCB have been pretty sturn with Butt and Asif, the only person allowed a return was 18 year old Amir unlike a fully grown 25 year old Bancroft who's being treated as some innocent kid in this. What's funny is that Butt was also 25 at the time of the spotfixing scandal.
 
Finally a sane voice from Australia.

They're making decisions based on emotion. Completely silly and will regret this.
 
punishment is surprisingly just and will do wonders to curb tampering in all nations.

My only criticism is that warner should have got less than Smith. Even symbolically like 10 months would be fine. Warner just isnt as much fault as the captain.

If we’d taken over the top measures against fixing maybe we wouldnt have had repeated fixing scandals.

No other country in the world is going to care or consider these bans are precedent.

I think the punishments are spot on but I'm not going to pretend that its going to influence any other teams.
 
I think the punishments are very harsh and that’s coming from a Pom. Bancroft was probably led astray by the leadership group. I don’t care for Warner but Smith I like and this was too much.
 
Aussies have always been bullies and overly aggressive towards other teams. This a a proper slap on the face for them. Don't see anyone feeling any sympathy for them.
 
These punishments are WAY too harsh. The Australian cricket board has had to react after sponsors threatend to put the board in financial ruin. The sponsors made these threats after seeing the public reaction. The public reaction was led my media hysteria. The whole thing has been a vicious circle. The Aus PM decided to get in the act too - scoring a few brownie points - does he not have a country to run?? Surely there are more important things for him to be concentrating on?

The fact is that people make mistakes. I am not condoning what they did, but to ban them for a year is more a reaction to the hysteria than a reaction to the crime. Pre-meditated or not, their actions did not justify this overbearing punishment.
 
This is what happens when you go out and try to be a hero by telling the truth. I would've Donald trump'd this situation if I were smith, rather than defending go out attacking. Every team is guilty of ball tampering.
 
punishment is surprisingly just and will do wonders to curb tampering in all nations.

My only criticism is that warner should have got less than Smith. Even symbolically like 10 months would be fine. Warner just isnt as much fault as the captain.

If we’d taken over the top measures against fixing maybe we wouldnt have had repeated fixing scandals.

I don't think any other country is going to follow suit. This is CA trying to repair their image in world cricket and meting out an outrageous ban for the offence. There have been instances in the past of planned and organised tampering, like the Ashes of 2005 which was admitted by Marcus Trescothik later. So this is not the first time and the English one wasn't the first time either. This is the first time someone got caught and this is being made a huge deal.
 
Completely agreed. Levvy some heavy fines, Ban a few games but 1 year is OTT
 
CA gave in to public and media pressure, who have absolutely no idea about the severity of this act and what's it's punishment.

Nothing more than a few matches ban! They could have gone on to another level and suspended them from leadership positions.

But.. that's the max you can go without going overboard.

It's foolish to think that all other incidents of tampering were NOT pre-planned. You think Faf was a lone act? That too twice?

Doesn't matter either way.

It's an emotional, not a just decision.
 
A year long ban is over the top, (Holier then thou attitude of some here is amusing). Loss of leadership and a series ban would have sufficed for Smith/Bancroft. Warner is a different case, i am sure he was doing this earlier and only use bancroft as the heat was on him in last test (with focus from cameras), plus he threw a new kid under the bus and didnt have the courage to face the music during first press conference. His penalty fits the crime potentially. His prior history plays a part ....

As for reasons, two other factors that may be playing a part in addition to media/public. is Sponsors, major sponsorship renewals are coming up for CA, they have a morality clause in their contracts and they wanted to show a strong response .... infact they lost a contract today with Magellan, and when it starts to hurt the purse strings ...... Lastly the prime minister weighed in fairly early in the debate, up til that point there were talks of detailed investigations etc .... Turnbull popularity may be low , but PM weighing in has impact.
 
100% agreed with Warnie here.. The punishment is a joke, 1 year ban for tampering? Ridiculous!!
i thought so too before the investigation uncovered it was indeed sandpaper and that they had lied about it.
 
Maybe Warne can be taken to the year of 1995-96 (via a time machine) and asked what his punishment should be, I mean after taking money from a bookie, you get to call out another cricketer for fixing, that is absolutely peachy, right Warne...it is like, I do it, smells like roses, yours just stinks!

If they had made an example with you and Mark, maybe some of the big guys who got lured by bookies in later years would not have been such an easy traget...before anyone says, he only took money for pitch and team info, yep, that is what they say after it was finally found out by sheer luck!
 
I hope this ban doesn't destroy Smith's career and force him to retire due to disappointment. It will hurt him both, personally and financially since he will miss a year of IPL too now.

I wish he comes back.. By the way, does this ban mean he will miss all 3 away tests in UAE in next March?
 
And this has nothing to do with what they did but how they did it. Every single team has done this in the past.

But CA overcompensated due to fear of loosing sponsors as well as a political move now that their PM also got involved.
 
I hope this ban doesn't destroy Smith's career and force him to retire due to disappointment. It will hurt him both, personally and financially since he will miss a year of IPL too now.

I wish he comes back.. By the way, does this ban mean he will miss all 3 away tests in UAE in next March?

Ian Chappel has already said he doubts whether Steve Smith will ever be the same player again, the whole saga and the stigma he will suffer for the rest of his life will zap his confidence big time.
 
Ian Chappel has already said he doubts whether Steve Smith will ever be the same player again, the whole saga and the stigma he will suffer for the rest of his life will zap his confidence big time.

But that's the true test of character, isn't it?
 
Also, Cricket fans are very forgiving toward controversy. This whole affair will be soon forgotten like many others before. That' why I think 12 month ban is quite silly. Ban them for a series or two, remove from leadership and move on..
 
Aussies have always been bullies and overly aggressive towards other teams. This a a proper slap on the face for them. Don't see anyone feeling any sympathy for them.

How do you Bully in professional sport on the field?

Lol, this is not the school yard, can you point out the bullies in boxing,rugby, football,baseball,tennis,lawn bowls :)
 
As an Aussie i think the punishment is fair and send a message to current and future Australian players. Australians are know for how well they play sport and hate cheaters. It has cost CA a huge amount of money with lost sponsor already, the damage it will also do to local cricket will be felt for many years i think.
I personally think it should be put in the contracts of Australian players " if your caught cheating its a lifetime ban from all but local cricket".
 
I don't get why everyone is moaning about the bans. Are they are harsh considering the crimes YES, but are the bans given for the crimes then the answer is NO.

I think someone on wrote a good article explaining why the public was baying for blood here. This isn't just about blatant cheating this was the act that literally broke the camel's back. Getting into physical fights, deplorable sledging, physical injury threats, constant ** about headbutt the line and the general crass behavior, this was just the moment Aussies said enough is enough.
 
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I don't get why everyone is moaning about the bans. Are they are harsh considering the crimes YES, but are the bans given for the crimes then the answer is NO.

I think someone on Cricinfo wrote a good article explaining why the public was baying for blood here. This isn't just about blatant cheating this was the act that literally broke the camel's back. Getting into physical fights, deplorable sledging, physical injury threats, constant ** about headbutt the line and the general crass behavior, this was just the moment Aussies said enough is enough.

Sympathy is for Smith. Not Warner.

Smith got punished while others escaped for doing the same thing.

CA wouldn't have imposed such a huge punishment if there wasn't a huge uproar back at home.

Moreover the fact that CA let off others while doling out the harshest punishment for a few increases sympathy.
 
I agree

No way Smith deserves this.
 
i thought so too before the investigation uncovered it was indeed sandpaper and that they had lied about it.



Yes it doesn’t look nice but end of the day everyone should leave their bias and think about it, players who tamper the ball come with pre meditated aim of tampering.. Wheteher they use saliva, mint, zippers, pitches, nails, teeth etc aim is the same.. Cheating is cheating and there crime is no more or less than crime committed by Smith and co.. So bana should be equivalent..

This is the first time the video evidence is so damning in case of tampering and it just didn’t look good but end of the day it’s tampering and should be treated like tampering.. It’s no different than any other form of tampering people here say it’s pre meditated and not spur of the moment and things like that but tampering always happen with knowledge of team just doesn’t get caught..
 
Sympathy is for Smith. Not Warner.

Smith got punished while others escaped for doing the same thing.

CA wouldn't have imposed such a huge punishment if there wasn't a huge uproar back at home.

Moreover the fact that CA let off others while doling out the harshest punishment for a few increases sympathy.

Smith was the captain wasn't he, He and Lehman are as responsible as warner for not controlling him.
 
Smith was the captain wasn't he, He and Lehman are as responsible as warner for not controlling him.

Of course, Smith should be punished.

Sympathy is for the extent of punishment when others got away.

Not like CA had rules written for this before. They are just reacting to public outrage & sponsor backlash.
 
Of course, Smith should be punished.

Sympathy is for the extent of punishment when others got away.

Not like CA had rules written for this before. They are just reacting to public outrage & sponsor backlash.

The punishment as Sutherland mentioned is not for the crime but for the reputation damage this has done to cricket in australia and as i said in other thread this is a good step. It might be harsh but it is justified, this team was getting in scuffles every series, find me one series where there wasn't anything untoward happening when aussies were involved. CA and public just drew a line in the sand and by the looks of it ICC is following the line. Smith could have toned down his team a bit and none of this would have happened.

This punishment if ICC get behind this attitude of CA and BCCI of zero tolerance for cheating could be the end of ball tampering like what happened to chucking.
 
Watching Lehmann and Smith cry - I am starting to see Shane Warne's pov
 
A month later, everyone will forget this tampering incident and the fans will regret not seeing Smith and Warner play for 1 yr.
 
A month later, everyone will forget this tampering incident and the fans will regret not seeing Smith and Warner play for 1 yr.

This.

Australians are in for a reality check starting this week against SA. Warner and Smith were the heart of their batting order.
 
Why am I not surprised by this..

Warne is one of the boys and he's been "unfairly" banned before for "weight loss pills"
 
How do you Bully in professional sport on the field?

Lol, this is not the school yard, can you point out the bullies in boxing,rugby, football,baseball,tennis,lawn bowls :)

The same way students do each other by calling insulting names. It is an attempt to gain a psychological advantage by intimidating the other person. Bullying occurs at work places too. It is an attitude that certain people have,
 
All's good until you get caught. They're not the first team to try and change the condition of the ball, but using sand paper was a horrible idea.
 
Their opposing captain in this series, South Africa’s Faf du Plessis, has been charged with the offence twice, and opening bowler Vernon Philander once. The list of players who have been charged with ball tampering is long and contains some of the biggest names in the game, like Sachin Tendulkar and Mike Atherton.
Read more at http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...he-crime-quot-Shane-Warne#5pybCVWFHeho54d2.99
Shifting the blame there uh Warnie. I know it must be hard for you and no sandpaper will rub off the tarnish that the Aussies did in this game. Oh just in case Warnie, you and Waugh were involved in matchfixing and the ACB swept it under the rug. You were convicted of taking illegal drugs :broad. Please keep the focus on the current issue here.
 
Please dont take Shame Warne's recommendations. Its a well known fact that he likes Steve Smith and before that Michael Clarke, He had an influence on who should be Australian Captain and unfortunately he got his way and now look whats happened. Also he suggested that Darren Lehman should be coach but at the time Justin Langer was up for the role and in my opinion Langer should have got the job as he is a man of integrity, he wouldnt have allowed any of this. How darren got the job is beyond me.
Integrity by example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afQvCaPd4t8
 
of course nothing fits in this sordid saga. samiuddin's story in cricinfo today is spot on.

in the name of australian exceptionalism and sanctimony, smith, warner and bancroft are being hung out to dry as scapegoats, with warner tarred as the arch villain.

many are cheering because the aussies are so widely reviled, and deservedly so. some are bemoaning the putatively soft touch applied by other boards to ball tampering, which, as everyone knows, is fairly endemic. yet why should punishment exceed the law? what exactly is the crime here, tampering with the ball in the last test, or something rather bigger, on multiple fronts?

let's be clear of what is not happening.

while the icc now makes noises about introducing harsher penalties for ball tampering. we have not hear anything about the real crux of the matter, which is the aussie deployment of sledging as a de facto form of cheating for years.

on one point i agree with the aussies, which is that a line must be drawn when it comes to talk on the field. but as understood by everyone byt the aussies, it cannot be up to one country to decide where that peculiarly opportunistic phantasm should be drawn.

we have stump mics, the umpires are there. let them do their job.

meanwhile, while all of aussie land anguishes about the loss of moral compasses in the CA, there is no investigation into the the now pressing question of whether the aussies sandblasted or otherwise tampered with the ball in previous tests, including the first test of this series. much circumstantial evidence points to that being the case. should it be shown to be so, steve smith's and lehman's tearful contrition will go down as one of the drabbest performances in international sports.
 
of course nothing fits in this sordid saga. samiuddin's story in cricinfo today is spot on.

in the name of australian exceptionalism and sanctimony, smith, warner and bancroft are being hung out to dry as scapegoats, with warner tarred as the arch villain.

many are cheering because the aussies are so widely reviled, and deservedly so. some are bemoaning the putatively soft touch applied by other boards to ball tampering, which, as everyone knows, is fairly endemic. yet why should punishment exceed the law? what exactly is the crime here, tampering with the ball in the last test, or something rather bigger, on multiple fronts?

let's be clear of what is not happening.

while the icc now makes noises about introducing harsher penalties for ball tampering. we have not hear anything about the real crux of the matter, which is the aussie deployment of sledging as a de facto form of cheating for years.

on one point i agree with the aussies, which is that a line must be drawn when it comes to talk on the field. but as understood by everyone byt the aussies, it cannot be up to one country to decide where that peculiarly opportunistic phantasm should be drawn.

we have stump mics, the umpires are there. let them do their job.

meanwhile, while all of aussie land anguishes about the loss of moral compasses in the CA, there is no investigation into the the now pressing question of whether the aussies sandblasted or otherwise tampered with the ball in previous tests, including the first test of this series. much circumstantial evidence points to that being the case. should it be shown to be so, steve smith's and lehman's tearful contrition will go down as one of the drabbest performances in international sports.

Pls check your PM about member interview
 
The punishment as Sutherland mentioned is not for the crime but for the reputation damage this has done to cricket in australia and as i said in other thread this is a good step. It might be harsh but it is justified, this team was getting in scuffles every series, find me one series where there wasn't anything untoward happening when aussies were involved. CA and public just drew a line in the sand and by the looks of it ICC is following the line. Smith could have toned down his team a bit and none of this would have happened.

This punishment if ICC get behind this attitude of CA and BCCI of zero tolerance for cheating could be the end of ball tampering like what happened to chucking.

We should know better than to let Aussies draw lines. All they have done is to scapegoat smith, warner and bancroft while leaving the other members of the so called leadership group, the bowlers, lehman and australian cricket culture in the clear.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shane Warne "Steve Smith is not Pablo Escobar, he's not killed anyone. He's a guy who made a mistake & and made an error of judgement. To see him manhandled at the airport & attacked is like the dogs are all over him, is disgraceful behaviour" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BallTamperingRow?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BallTamperingRow</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/979793394393370625?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 30, 2018</a></blockquote>
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