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" Khaakis " ghutne tayko.
71 years of state within a state.
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'We are against the oppressors': PTM leader Manzoor Pashteen tells thousands at Peshawar rally
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Punjab government can only stop <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PashtunLongMarch2Lahore?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PashtunLongMarch2Lahore</a>, while it has no authority whatsoever over these 'good' protestors. <a href="https://t.co/kkwPxpvS5O">pic.twitter.com/kkwPxpvS5O</a></p>— Naila Inayat (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/987634642697125890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The contrast could not be more stark. <br><br>Khadim Hussain Rizvi coddled by the Pakistani elite - military and civilian. <br><br>Manzoor Pashteen demonised & denied NOC by the same elite. <br><br>One spits at the constitution. <br><br>The other demands constitutional raj. <br><br>Why this dissonance?</p>— Mosharraf Zaidi (@mosharrafzaidi) <a href="https://twitter.com/mosharrafzaidi/status/987779210977726464?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
How is it relevant in today's world? How long are we going to use that excuse for?
Maybe time to move on now? As unfortunate as it was, there was absolutely no option but to launch an attack. Now time to move on and rehabilitate rather than worrying about whose fault was it 40 years ago.
Sufi muhammad was the leader of tnsm an organisation that ended up sprouting fazlullah who ended up attacking Pakistan
Sufi muhammad sent over 10000 yes 10000 fighters to afghanistan to confront usa and many got killed in places like kunduz
So there is the answer blame likes of tnsm and ttp for missing youths , little boys who they were brainwashing to blow themselves up
Sufi muhammad sent over 10000 yes 10000 fighters to afghanistan to confront usa and many got killed in places like kunduz
So there is the answer blame likes of tnsm and ttp for missing youths , little boys who they were brainwashing to blow themselves up
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How could we move on? Has the mil. est discontinued its policies of sponsoring haqqanis, JuD etc etc...Who are these critic activists, journalists, bloggers, pashtuns, balochs evaporating in thin air?
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The Pashtun Tahaffuz Movement (PTM) rally at Lahore's Mochi Gate kicked off on Sunday as planned, despite Punjab government's refusal to issue a permit for the event.
During the gathering it was announced that PTM will now hold a rally in Karachi on May 12 to condemn the violence that the city witnessed in 2007.
Among those who took the rostrum were Tahera Jalib — daughter of revolutionary poet Habib Jalib — who read out Dastoor, a famous poem of her father; and Amina Masood Janjua of the Defence of Human Rights Pakistan, whose husband has been missing since 2005.
Advocate Fazal Khan, father of a student martyred in the 2014 Army Public School attack, also spoke at the event, repeating his demand of formation a judicial commission to investigate the attack.
Awami Workers Party President Fanoos Gujjar, while addressing the crowd, said: "Yesterday when PTM leaders were arrested, we were asked: 'There is peace in Lahore and you are anti-state traitors. What will the traitors do here? Pakhtuns here are studying and conducting trade, why are you taking their peace away?'"
He went on to claim that Pakhtuns in Punjab face atrocities at the hands of the Punjab police which extorts money from labourers, and that many people are still being picked up in broad daylight from Lahore.
PTM's central leader Ali Wazir said, "The movement has come to Lahore so that if something [untoward] happens in the future, nobody can say 'You never reached out to us'."
Manzoor Pashteen then took to the stage, saying it was the PTM's "heartfelt wish" to present the situation hidden from the media and the eyes of the public to the people of Lahore.
He explained why the PTM had included the arrest of Rao Anwar and recovery of missing persons in their demands.
He said the whole country had seen the result of PTM's first demand: the arrest of former SSP Malir Rao Anwar. "Now even the court is saying Anwar is a terrorist and Waziristan native Naqeebullah Mehsud, who was shot dead in a police encounter, has been declared innocent."
He then narrated stories of innocent people who were killed in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) without naming who was responsible for their deaths.
"When they can sell 4,000 people, they can do a lot more," Pashteen said, referring to a recent claim by Justice Javed Iqbal, the head of the missing persons commission, who had accused former president Pervez Musharraf of handing over 4,000 Pakistanis to United States.
"We demand that we should be told the amount for which they [missing persons] were sold. We will collect that money and give it to you so you can bring them back. Do not release them, just give them to the courts if they have committed a crime."
He also demanded that first information reports against students in Lahore, who are PTM supporters, should be withdrawn. "We are very peaceful but do not forget that we are young, and young people do not have a lot of patience."
"Now that we have risen up against oppression, we do not fear for our heads," the PTM leader asserted.
Pashteen announced that the next stop for the movement would be Swat following which a gathering would be held in Karachi on May 12 — to mark the day when over 40 people were killed in the metropolis in 2007.
He also took on the media, which he said was covering the PTM in a biased manner. "We respect you, but you are being hypocritical."
The district administration had earlier rejected an application by the Lahore Left Front for the PTM rally citing security concerns.
Ali Wazir, one of the main PTM leaders, had earlier appealed to Lahore's residents to join the gathering to learn about the ordeal residents experienced in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. He said the gathering was aimed at uniting the exploited and oppressed masses of KP and Punjab in general, and highlighting woes of ordinary Pashtun labourers in Lahore in particular.
Punjab police officials — both male and female — provided security at the venue to ensure that no one entered the ground with weapons or sharp objects.
A number of PTM leaders were briefly detained on Saturday while workers found the venue of the rally flooded with water when they arrived to kickstart preparations today. Both the instances, the PTM claims, were attempts to coerce them into not holding the rally.
Deputy Inspector General (DIG) Haider Ashraf on Sunday denied arresting any PTM leaders, saying they had only been called to the police headquarters to negotiate on security for the event as the district administration has refused them permission to hold the rally. They were later released after 3-4 hours.
A day earlier on Saturday, DIG Ashraf had said the PTM leaders had been engaged to get affidavits that they would not take part in any anti-state activity.
The refusal of Punjab government to grant permission to the PTM for its rally, combined with the detention of its workers, was criticised by Maryam Nawaz, Senator Pervaiz Rasheed and Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, all of whom backed the movement's right to protest.
The Lahore rally had been announced earlier this month when the movement held its first power show in Peshawar, demanding all missing persons be produced in courts and provision of basic rights to the people of Federally Administered Tribal Areas.
Bilawal, Maryam back PTM's right to protest
PML-N's leaders Maryam Nawaz and Senator Pervaiz Rasheed both said that the rally should have been allowed while Bilawal Bhutto Zardari also condemned the "high-handedness and disregard for the constitutional rights of the people" shown by the Shahbaz Sharif-led provincial government.
In a tweet early Sunday, Maryam said that the arrested activists should be released and the PTM should be allowed to hold its rally. "This country is as much their's as it is our's," she said.
"Attempts to suppress voices rising against oppression and excesses can never have never been successful, nor will they ever be," she added.
In his statement, Senator Rasheed said that the ban on the rally was a painful act and that the Punjab government should not only listen to the pain and misery of the protesters but also play their part in alleviating them. "This is not the time to repeat bitterness of the past, but to learn from them and strengthen national unity."
Bilawal, in a tweet, said that every Pakistani citizen has a right to protest and "PTM are no different", concluding with #VoterKoIzzatDo, in a reference to PML-N's slogan demanding respect for vote.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1403191/p...unces-to-take-grievances-to-karachi-on-may-12
During the gathering it was announced that PTM will now hold a rally in Karachi on May 12 to condemn the violence that the city witnessed in 2007.
Among those who took the rostrum were Tahera Jalib — daughter of revolutionary poet Habib Jalib — who read out Dastoor, a famous poem of her father; and Amina Masood Janjua of the Defence of Human Rights Pakistan, whose husband has been missing since 2005.
Advocate Fazal Khan, father of a student martyred in the 2014 Army Public School attack, also spoke at the event, repeating his demand of formation a judicial commission to investigate the attack.
Awami Workers Party President Fanoos Gujjar, while addressing the crowd, said: "Yesterday when PTM leaders were arrested, we were asked: 'There is peace in Lahore and you are anti-state traitors. What will the traitors do here? Pakhtuns here are studying and conducting trade, why are you taking their peace away?'"
He went on to claim that Pakhtuns in Punjab face atrocities at the hands of the Punjab police which extorts money from labourers, and that many people are still being picked up in broad daylight from Lahore.
PTM's central leader Ali Wazir said, "The movement has come to Lahore so that if something [untoward] happens in the future, nobody can say 'You never reached out to us'."
Manzoor Pashteen then took to the stage, saying it was the PTM's "heartfelt wish" to present the situation hidden from the media and the eyes of the public to the people of Lahore.
He explained why the PTM had included the arrest of Rao Anwar and recovery of missing persons in their demands.
He said the whole country had seen the result of PTM's first demand: the arrest of former SSP Malir Rao Anwar. "Now even the court is saying Anwar is a terrorist and Waziristan native Naqeebullah Mehsud, who was shot dead in a police encounter, has been declared innocent."
He then narrated stories of innocent people who were killed in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) without naming who was responsible for their deaths.
"When they can sell 4,000 people, they can do a lot more," Pashteen said, referring to a recent claim by Justice Javed Iqbal, the head of the missing persons commission, who had accused former president Pervez Musharraf of handing over 4,000 Pakistanis to United States.
"We demand that we should be told the amount for which they [missing persons] were sold. We will collect that money and give it to you so you can bring them back. Do not release them, just give them to the courts if they have committed a crime."
He also demanded that first information reports against students in Lahore, who are PTM supporters, should be withdrawn. "We are very peaceful but do not forget that we are young, and young people do not have a lot of patience."
"Now that we have risen up against oppression, we do not fear for our heads," the PTM leader asserted.
Pashteen announced that the next stop for the movement would be Swat following which a gathering would be held in Karachi on May 12 — to mark the day when over 40 people were killed in the metropolis in 2007.
He also took on the media, which he said was covering the PTM in a biased manner. "We respect you, but you are being hypocritical."
The district administration had earlier rejected an application by the Lahore Left Front for the PTM rally citing security concerns.
Ali Wazir, one of the main PTM leaders, had earlier appealed to Lahore's residents to join the gathering to learn about the ordeal residents experienced in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (KP) and the Federally Administered Tribal Areas. He said the gathering was aimed at uniting the exploited and oppressed masses of KP and Punjab in general, and highlighting woes of ordinary Pashtun labourers in Lahore in particular.
Punjab police officials — both male and female — provided security at the venue to ensure that no one entered the ground with weapons or sharp objects.
A number of PTM leaders were briefly detained on Saturday while workers found the venue of the rally flooded with water when they arrived to kickstart preparations today. Both the instances, the PTM claims, were attempts to coerce them into not holding the rally.
Deputy Inspector General (DIG) Haider Ashraf on Sunday denied arresting any PTM leaders, saying they had only been called to the police headquarters to negotiate on security for the event as the district administration has refused them permission to hold the rally. They were later released after 3-4 hours.
A day earlier on Saturday, DIG Ashraf had said the PTM leaders had been engaged to get affidavits that they would not take part in any anti-state activity.
The refusal of Punjab government to grant permission to the PTM for its rally, combined with the detention of its workers, was criticised by Maryam Nawaz, Senator Pervaiz Rasheed and Bilawal Bhutto Zardari, all of whom backed the movement's right to protest.
The Lahore rally had been announced earlier this month when the movement held its first power show in Peshawar, demanding all missing persons be produced in courts and provision of basic rights to the people of Federally Administered Tribal Areas.
Bilawal, Maryam back PTM's right to protest
PML-N's leaders Maryam Nawaz and Senator Pervaiz Rasheed both said that the rally should have been allowed while Bilawal Bhutto Zardari also condemned the "high-handedness and disregard for the constitutional rights of the people" shown by the Shahbaz Sharif-led provincial government.
In a tweet early Sunday, Maryam said that the arrested activists should be released and the PTM should be allowed to hold its rally. "This country is as much their's as it is our's," she said.
"Attempts to suppress voices rising against oppression and excesses can never have never been successful, nor will they ever be," she added.
In his statement, Senator Rasheed said that the ban on the rally was a painful act and that the Punjab government should not only listen to the pain and misery of the protesters but also play their part in alleviating them. "This is not the time to repeat bitterness of the past, but to learn from them and strengthen national unity."
Bilawal, in a tweet, said that every Pakistani citizen has a right to protest and "PTM are no different", concluding with #VoterKoIzzatDo, in a reference to PML-N's slogan demanding respect for vote.
https://www.dawn.com/news/1403191/p...unces-to-take-grievances-to-karachi-on-may-12
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Hit the nail on the head!
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Mariyam baji and Bilawal bhai supporting PTM 
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He wants check posts to be removed so that his brother Qari Mohsin (Terrorist) alongwith his friends may crawl back into Pakistan and to create havoc again. Cute
Mariyam baji and Bilawal bhai supporting PTM
So Maryam baji's dramas continue, her own PMLN government and uncle Shahbaz Sharif arrested some PTM leaders including their closest ally Achakzai's party leaders, Punjab government refused to allow the PTM rally to go ahead initially and what does she do?
Instead of asking/ordering her uncle Shahbaz to allow the rally, she tweets showing support to PTM
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By all accounts the event at Lahore yesterday was a great success. Did anyone here attend? Social media is flooded with people praising the coordination of the event. In particular women were treated with complete respect and courtesy - not something that happens often in Pakistani protests.
People want their rights and who can blame them. There has been significant media coverage outside Pakistan (BBC, Al Jazeera).
Lets hope this marks the start of upheaval and real change in Pakistan. Inquilab Zindabad!
People want their rights and who can blame them. There has been significant media coverage outside Pakistan (BBC, Al Jazeera).
Lets hope this marks the start of upheaval and real change in Pakistan. Inquilab Zindabad!
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So Maryam baji's dramas continue, her own PMLN government and uncle Shahbaz Sharif arrested some PTM leaders including their closest ally Achakzai's party leaders, Punjab government refused to allow the PTM rally to go ahead initially and what does she do?
Instead of asking/ordering her uncle Shahbaz to allow the rally, she tweets showing support to PTM
Am astounded and grieved that how some of our well educated pathan are supporting this dude.
I will summarize this in few points.
1. Where was he when Tehreek e Talibaan was destroying KPK and FATA region?
2. Where was he when thousand of our Soldiers sacrificed their life in order to eradicate terrorist? According to him those all are lies and even APS attack was done by Army.
3. He claimed that many of innocent people died due to IED planted by Pakistan Army, some one should tell him that it was TTP who used to plant IED and many of our soldiers lost their lives due to IED.
4. He wants check posts to be removed, why? Because his brother is a terrorist who is hiding some where, he want check posts to be removed so that his brother along with his terrorist may crawl back into Pakistan and to create some havoc once again.
5. He is standing with Achakzai, the guy who wants KPK to be merged with Afghanistan, a guy who was against the merging of FATA with KPK.
6. He is against CPEC.
7. He is against building the wall at Pak Afghanistan border
What does these points show?
He is Pashtoon himsrlf but living in Karachi. He doesn’t know the ground realities in Waziristan and rest of the Pashtoon area
Everyone knows Rao Anwar is Asif Ali Zardari’s man yet hypocrites Manzoor chose to Hijack justice for naqib to agitate against the army Instead of zardari. He still hasn’t said anything against Zardari. And yet PTM supporters continue to shamelessly pretend Manzoor gives a diddly squat about Naqibullah Mehsud.
Now we’re seeing Manzoor Pashteen start his Pashtun Thafuz Movement agitation in collaboration with TTP who are hiding some where their lives have been made hell due to army operation and they are finding difficult to send their terrorists inside Pakistan because of border fencing and army checkposts all across FATA.
A true supporter of the Pashtun people’s rights can never support Manzoor hypocrite Pashteen because he and his PTM are the Pashtun people’ open enemies.
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Am astounded and grieved that how some of our well educated pathan are supporting this dude.
I will summarize this in few points.
1. Where was he when Tehreek e Talibaan was destroying KPK and FATA region?
2. Where was he when thousand of our Soldiers sacrificed their life in order to eradicate terrorist? According to him those all are lies and even APS attack was done by Army.
3. He claimed that many of innocent people died due to IED planted by Pakistan Army, some one should tell him that it was TTP who used to plant IED and many of our soldiers lost their lives due to IED.
4. He wants check posts to be removed, why? Because his brother is a terrorist who is hiding some where, he want check posts to be removed so that his brother along with his terrorist may crawl back into Pakistan and to create some havoc once again.
5. He is standing with Achakzai, the guy who wants KPK to be merged with Afghanistan, a guy who was against the merging of FATA with KPK.
6. He is against CPEC.
7. He is against building the wall at Pak Afghanistan border
What does these points show?
He is Pashtoon himsrlf but living in Karachi. He doesn’t know the ground realities in Waziristan and rest of the Pashtoon area
Everyone knows Rao Anwar is Asif Ali Zardari’s man yet hypocrites Manzoor chose to Hijack justice for naqib to agitate against the army Instead of zardari. He still hasn’t said anything against Zardari. And yet PTM supporters continue to shamelessly pretend Manzoor gives a diddly squat about Naqibullah Mehsud.
Now we’re seeing Manzoor Pashteen start his Pashtun Thafuz Movement agitation in collaboration with TTP who are hiding some where their lives have been made hell due to army operation and they are finding difficult to send their terrorists inside Pakistan because of border fencing and army checkposts all across FATA.
A true supporter of the Pashtun people’s rights can never support Manzoor hypocrite Pashteen because he and his PTM are the Pashtun people’ open enemies.
Dont ask questions like that. They want their rights...I mean its not like the army suddenly decided to liberate Swat..didnt they get their rights from the TTP?? or maybe mulla radio when he was in charge? where was the clamour when the TTP slaughtered innocent children on a daily basis? where was the clamour for rights then? bakwaas kurtain hain..another drama to sow seeds of division and to try and cause another civil war..
Yes banana republic.
You cant move on when u have lost 13 peple of your family.it will be easy for you to move on but never for these people.
I will ask him to move on if he loses someone wnd homes.jaidad.dokan and everything GOD FORBID IT.
Boot Polishiye will call him RAW agent
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Deshatgardi karna apka kaam hai, Aman ka paigham phailana humara kaam hai: Manzoor Pashteen on the crackdown against movement leaders in Lahore. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PashtunLongMarch2Lahore?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#PashtunLongMarch2Lahore</a> <a href="https://t.co/UO7UO5fzlj">pic.twitter.com/UO7UO5fzlj</a></p>— Naila Inayat (@nailainayat) <a href="https://twitter.com/nailainayat/status/987789129701384194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 21, 2018</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
The guy is hitting the nail everytime,he has cool head and i am just seeing another Pashun leader after khan bacha khan baba.
Am astounded and grieved that how some of our well educated pathan are supporting this dude.
I will summarize this in few points.
1. Where was he when Tehreek e Talibaan was destroying KPK and FATA region?
2. Where was he when thousand of our Soldiers sacrificed their life in order to eradicate terrorist? According to him those all are lies and even APS attack was done by Army.
3. He claimed that many of innocent people died due to IED planted by Pakistan Army, some one should tell him that it was TTP who used to plant IED and many of our soldiers lost their lives due to IED.
4. He wants check posts to be removed, why? Because his brother is a terrorist who is hiding some where, he want check posts to be removed so that his brother along with his terrorist may crawl back into Pakistan and to create some havoc once again.
5. He is standing with Achakzai, the guy who wants KPK to be merged with Afghanistan, a guy who was against the merging of FATA with KPK.
6. He is against CPEC.
7. He is against building the wall at Pak Afghanistan border
What does these points show?
He is Pashtoon himsrlf but living in Karachi. He doesn’t know the ground realities in Waziristan and rest of the Pashtoon area
Everyone knows Rao Anwar is Asif Ali Zardari’s man yet hypocrites Manzoor chose to Hijack justice for naqib to agitate against the army Instead of zardari. He still hasn’t said anything against Zardari. And yet PTM supporters continue to shamelessly pretend Manzoor gives a diddly squat about Naqibullah Mehsud.
Now we’re seeing Manzoor Pashteen start his Pashtun Thafuz Movement agitation in collaboration with TTP who are hiding some where their lives have been made hell due to army operation and they are finding difficult to send their terrorists inside Pakistan because of border fencing and army checkposts all across FATA.
A true supporter of the Pashtun people’s rights can never support Manzoor hypocrite Pashteen because he and his PTM are the Pashtun people’ open enemies.
Rao has links with the military establishment and he was being used by the by the military establishment to do their dirty work. He was provided with abducted men which usually comprised of terror suspects and possibly anti-army activists who were to be killed in fake encounters by Rao and his team.
This is the reason Rao remains untouched to this day.
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So Pastheen sahib wants the check posts removed. nd now theiy a re claiming APS was a false flag. They are also encouraging Pasthun officers to rise up within the Pakistan army. And now they are supported by the known traitors of the ANP. Chulo jee another pakhtunistan movement? They sound like the political wing of the TTP. I mean werent the same people supporting the PTM also the same people who called IK taliban khan?
the facts are this: The PTM may have a legitimate grievance with regards to extra judicial dissappearnces. He is welcome to present the names in court as a first step. He has failed to do so and I predict he wont dare because he doesnt have the names. The branding is amazing with the hat and social media savvy these guys are showing in such a short period of time.
a few of their leaders have been caught on camera demanding people take up guns against the military. They forget that groups taking up guns against the people of Pakistan was where this all started in the first place. What about other Pakistanis? who were killed by the TTP that they seem to conveniently ignore? what about them?
Yay sub drama hay. Its aim is to break the Pakistan army and cause a Syria like situation. This is what they want. They know 20-30 percent of the PA is pasthun. If they can break it they can cause a major problem within the country worse than 71. This is the game. I hope people can see whats going on..
as for the PMLN cheer leaders. You should be ashamed you still support a corrupt mafia don..shameless stooges..
the facts are this: The PTM may have a legitimate grievance with regards to extra judicial dissappearnces. He is welcome to present the names in court as a first step. He has failed to do so and I predict he wont dare because he doesnt have the names. The branding is amazing with the hat and social media savvy these guys are showing in such a short period of time.
a few of their leaders have been caught on camera demanding people take up guns against the military. They forget that groups taking up guns against the people of Pakistan was where this all started in the first place. What about other Pakistanis? who were killed by the TTP that they seem to conveniently ignore? what about them?
Yay sub drama hay. Its aim is to break the Pakistan army and cause a Syria like situation. This is what they want. They know 20-30 percent of the PA is pasthun. If they can break it they can cause a major problem within the country worse than 71. This is the game. I hope people can see whats going on..
as for the PMLN cheer leaders. You should be ashamed you still support a corrupt mafia don..shameless stooges..
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Am astounded and grieved that how some of our well educated pathan are supporting this dude.
I will summarize this in few points.
1. Where was he when Tehreek e Talibaan was destroying KPK and FATA region?
2. Where was he when thousand of our Soldiers sacrificed their life in order to eradicate terrorist? According to him those all are lies and even APS attack was done by Army.
3. He claimed that many of innocent people died due to IED planted by Pakistan Army, some one should tell him that it was TTP who used to plant IED and many of our soldiers lost their lives due to IED.
4. He wants check posts to be removed, why? Because his brother is a terrorist who is hiding some where, he want check posts to be removed so that his brother along with his terrorist may crawl back into Pakistan and to create some havoc once again.
5. He is standing with Achakzai, the guy who wants KPK to be merged with Afghanistan, a guy who was against the merging of FATA with KPK.
6. He is against CPEC.
7. He is against building the wall at Pak Afghanistan border
What does these points show?
He is Pashtoon himsrlf but living in Karachi. He doesn’t know the ground realities in Waziristan and rest of the Pashtoon area
Everyone knows Rao Anwar is Asif Ali Zardari’s man yet hypocrites Manzoor chose to Hijack justice for naqib to agitate against the army Instead of zardari. He still hasn’t said anything against Zardari. And yet PTM supporters continue to shamelessly pretend Manzoor gives a diddly squat about Naqibullah Mehsud.
Now we’re seeing Manzoor Pashteen start his Pashtun Thafuz Movement agitation in collaboration with TTP who are hiding some where their lives have been made hell due to army operation and they are finding difficult to send their terrorists inside Pakistan because of border fencing and army checkposts all across FATA.
A true supporter of the Pashtun people’s rights can never support Manzoor hypocrite Pashteen because he and his PTM are the Pashtun people’ open enemies.
Wonderful post... something the Noora worshippers need to read.
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Super miracles of PTM. A 'Helmandi mother' whose son was killed in Helmand on 5 April, Miraculously became 'Swati woman' on 8 April and her dead son became 'missing person'. Reached Peshawar exactly '12 hours before PTM rally' (VOA, PTM and Afghan FACTS). You can't make this up.
Just imagine the level of 'propaganda effort' for PTM. Afghan journalist (blue tick) shares a fake pic with heart-wrenching caption. PTM official account adds some spice mirch masala to it (Swat, 12 hours ago etc). And finally VOA relays it for 'international audience'.
I just had to bump this.
Soundly ignored by the Indians, Afghans and "Pakistanis" .
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Another deep state sazish [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION]
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Yeh jo deshat gardi hai iskay peechay wardi hai
Yeh jo sohni dherti he iske peeche verdi he
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You are right. He is a leader for all Pakistanis who are suffering oppression, unfortunately some refuse to accept this as they are not fully aware of complete circumstances and the history of oppression that this nation has suffered - be they Pakhtun, Baloch, Punjabi, Sindhi etc etc. He has even given hope to those struggling in Okara.
https://dailytimes.com.pk/231398/we...a-peasant-women-seeking-release-of-their-men/
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As soon as Pakistan returns to peace, Balochistan at peace, and the treasonous leaches like Nawaz are at their end this springs up.
What a surprise.
What a surprise.
Bro, did you even understand the context here?? Moving on has got NOTHING to do with forgetting loss of 13 family members.
Moving on was in reference to question "who created them"? We have to move on from that because most soldiers fighting terrorists and giving up their lives probably weren't even born when likes of Zia thought it was great idea to get involved in war games. Why do we have to blame them for something they aren't responsible for? THIS IS WHAT I MEANT WHEN I SAID MOVE ON!
You know very well we have all been cheering peace resumption in KPK, we have been taking great interest in development there and cheer every success PTI achieves there, i have personally sent most of my donations to KPK especially to re-build schools destroyed by Talibans. We have all discussed to bits importance of FATA-KPK merger to resolve most issues faced by people of FATA.
But now that we oppose method and language of Maznoor Pashteen, we are somehow anti Pashtuns???
I posted some massive U turns and contradictions on stances from Raza Rumi, now this guy Mohsin Dawar is VERY close to Manzoor Pashteen and can be seen sitting with him as his right hand man, here is his stance before Army launched military strikes:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Pakhtoons?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Pakhtoons</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/wasim_375_7?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wasim_375_7</a> only those civilians who bring d militants to their homes are the effecties of DRONES who can't be called inocents</p>— Mohsin Dawar (@mjdawar) <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar/status/356072269862277120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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And today the guy is face of PTM who are mainly talking about:
- Effects of military strikes (that he completely supported)
- Reduction of checkposts (Very important by reduction had been started since October 2017 as per plan)
How can these people take such a massive U turn on their stances?
You supported military action and drone strikes but now that the military action has ended you are actually abusing the Army for launching the military strikes that destroyed people's lives? Didn't you know this was always going to happen when YOU were campaigning for such strikes?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Pakhtoons?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Pakhtoons</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/wasim_375_7?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wasim_375_7</a> only those civilians who bring d militants to their homes are the effecties of DRONES who can't be called inocents</p>— Mohsin Dawar (@mjdawar) <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar/status/356072269862277120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 13, 2013</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/marvisirmed?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@marvisirmed</a> PTI govt is trying to shift d militants from FATA to settle areas to save them from DRONES,but DRONES gonna follow thm everywhr</p>— Mohsin Dawar (@mjdawar) <a href="https://twitter.com/mjdawar/status/409913741606539264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 9, 2013</a></blockquote>
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And today the guy is face of PTM who are mainly talking about:
- Effects of military strikes (that he completely supported)
- Reduction of checkposts (Very important by reduction had been started since October 2017 as per plan)
How can these people take such a massive U turn on their stances?
You supported military action and drone strikes but now that the military action has ended you are actually abusing the Army for launching the military strikes that destroyed people's lives? Didn't you know this was always going to happen when YOU were campaigning for such strikes?
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Thanks bruv but sadly none of the Pashteen's follower would like to answer me or to at least discuss with me. On side note, am also Proud Pathan same like the others.
As i mention before they want check posts to be removed and they are against building the wall at Pak Afghan border because Pashteen's Terrorist brother known as Qari Mohsin is hiding across the border.
This time TTP is playing politics and i must say that is indeed a brilliant move.
Sometimes i bow down my head in shame when i see that how our educated Pathan brothers are supporting this dude.
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The revolutionary Pashteen is a biggest lier so what do you expect from his blind followers?
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Pashteen's Twitter account suspended for posting fake images and propaganda. Another deep state ki sazish!
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How is it a freaking pashtun tahafuz movement when it's related to Fata and Wazirisatan only? KP ke pashtuns ka konsa issue he? Another bacha khani type nationalist propganda being exposed left right and center
if it was only FATA then he would have not gathered 50k people in in peshawar and let see how much comes in swat jalsa.
this is called azaadi raaya..when no media coverage is allowed for ur dear citizen standing for their due rights.This is why i say we are going nowhere.
for all of you guys quoting me i will say have never attended any jalsa of PTM but i support all his constitutional demands to be fulfilled and should not be labeled agents etc..they are our own people and state should act like mother as they say dharti maa hoti ha.
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[MENTION=140234]DRsohail[/MENTION] [MENTION=2071]saadibaba[/MENTION] [MENTION=101697]LegendInzi[/MENTION] this movement is growing and can change Pakistan. Maybe people have had enough of the endless oppression.
[MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] was spot on with his answers to my above post but certain posters will not want to face the truth.
[MENTION=142256]Pakistanian[/MENTION] [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] [MENTION=135]Waseem[/MENTION] [MENTION=140491]Greenstorm[/MENTION] still awaiting for someone to answer why terrorists like Khadim Hussain Rizvi, Molvi Abdul Aziz, Hafiz Mohd Saeed are free to ruin our country and reputation but PTM is seen as anti Pakistan?
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Pictures emerging of this "peaceful protester" from 2016 with flags of Pashtoonistan demanding independent state. They are from unverified accounts so I cannot post here.
No one will be allowed to disturb the sanctity of the state no matter how "peaceful" they are.
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Majority of posters that you mentioned criticized Khadim hussain in the same way they are criticizing Pashteen now. My stance (unlike many people supporting Pashteen) was same then(against Rizvi) and is same now(against Pashteen). I believe that concerned people should first fight their battles legally and in a civilized way and then come to streets and should refrain from directly targeting institutions. In my eyes, both Rizvi and Pashteen are equal. Pashteen, just like Rizvi is protesting freely(if he is receiving any hostility from general public, universities and Punjab government, you should criticize them instead of army).
By the way, if we go by your logic, you say that there are genuine reasons behind Pashteen's demands than in the same way it can be said that Khadim Rizvi and his followers had there own reasons to be on the streets. You disliked Khadim's movement because he was protesting against Sharifs and you believed that Army was behind him(which is just an assumption and allegation without proof) and now you are supporting Pashteen because he is against Army. I am only seeing you as getting exposed.
I do not know the present status but I remember that courts declared Hafiz Saeed not guilty of violating any law in Pakistan. Abdul Aziz regularly criticizes Pak army so I think you should support him instead.
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It is all very convenient; we have finally recovered from the decade of bombings and anarchy. Cricket is coming back, the political snakes are being dismantled, CPEC gathering pace and all these movements nipped in the bed.
And here we go, another one starts. Even though Pashtuns are integrated well in our country from actors to sports players.
One thing that enrages me how is Achackzai, the snake, not in custody?
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The sad thing is how easily our people get sold on propaganda against the army/state
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I had my doubts after their fake images and social media propaganda but it's pretty clear now PTM is getting support from afghan soil and even afghanis are attending their rallies and jalsas.
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I am not a fan of Asad Munir but most of his tweets regarding PTM are spot on. And those who don't know him he is a known liberal and pastun and anti-mullah and is also known for bashing pak army for some of their policies in past.
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After corps commander peshawar said he has genuine demands and we are going to have talk with him. i think the things regarding Agent should be over now and some key board warrior have do defend themselves for their social media propagnada.
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or maybe first the ptm guys should stop with their propaganda all over social media spreading fake images collected from all over the world?
They should stop it if they are doing it but I am happy that after calling them agents by many of us our army understood what mistake they were doing.I hope it is practical thang rather than just a face saving bayaan baaazi.
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No Pashteen supporter has replied to [MENTION=146141]Hermoine Green[/MENTION]'s post, particularly the news that his brother is a TTP fighter.
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PTM top tier leader Daaver just refused that they are holding any talk with Army.
What reason they put forward?
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He said that first stop propaganda against us lol they are calling this propaganda when you expose their posts and tweets spreading fake images.
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So from Pashtunistan to PTM? now i know it all here are pics from 2016.
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The pashtun movement being exposed by their own blunders I verified this myself using the waybackmachine cached version of this pashtun propganda website https://web.archive.org/web/2018042...he-pashtun-times-in-an-exclusive-interview-2/
So if you have nothing to hide, why remove the picture? This is a screengrab of the Pashtun Times website from last night. You can see Manzoor in a group photo there and guess what the next day the image is removed to hide the fact he was part of pashtunistan movement
I verified this myself using the waybackmachine cached version of this pashtun propganda website https://web.archive.org/web/2018042...he-pashtun-times-in-an-exclusive-interview-2/So if you have nothing to hide, why remove the picture? This is a screengrab of the Pashtun Times website from last night. You can see Manzoor in a group photo there and guess what the next day the image is removed to hide the fact he was part of pashtunistan movement
What's there to comment? Don't ask me what i think about likes of Khadim Rizvi, Mullah Aziz etc and read yourself what i have been saying about them all these years?? I still remember my heated arguments with people who opposed Lal masjid operation because apparently there were innocent kids there.
I have supported Imran Khan's peace March to Waziristan, his campaign against drone strikes and more recently FATA-KPK merger which will resolve most issues so why would i oppose resolution of their issues now?? I don't need to repeat myself for millionth time why i am opposing this movement which gives an impression that somehow state is against Pashtuns and this when Pashtuns of KPK have seen best of times in decades??
Why would state discriminate against Pashtuns of FATA but have no issues with Pashtuns of KPK? Does make tiny bit of sense??
I will once again say that FATA-KPK merger will resolve most of their issues as they get proper governance, their share of NFC award which will be spent on them.
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You will surely get your answer when you care for other questions which you always love to conveniently ignore
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So from Pashtunistan to PTM? now i know it all here are pics from 2016.
The pashtun movement being exposed by their own blunders
So if you have nothing to hide, why remove the picture? This is a screengrab of the Pashtun Times website from last night. You can see Manzoor in a group photo there and guess what the next day the image is removed to hide the fact he was part of pashtunistan movement
I mean after this whoever supports PTM is nothing more than a traitor.
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None of them can answer a single question apart from Zardari stuff
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These same so called supporters were swearing at IK and calling him Taliban khan etc and were demanding we flatten the tribal areas. Now they are pro PTM lol..you cant make it up..
Am astounded and grieved that how some of our well educated pathan are supporting this dude.
I will summarize this in few points.
1. Where was he when Tehreek e Talibaan was destroying KPK and FATA region?
2. Where was he when thousand of our Soldiers sacrificed their life in order to eradicate terrorist? According to him those all are lies and even APS attack was done by Army.
3. He claimed that many of innocent people died due to IED planted by Pakistan Army, some one should tell him that it was TTP who used to plant IED and many of our soldiers lost their lives due to IED.
4. He wants check posts to be removed, why? Because his brother is a terrorist who is hiding some where, he want check posts to be removed so that his brother along with his terrorist may crawl back into Pakistan and to create some havoc once again.
5. He is standing with Achakzai, the guy who wants KPK to be merged with Afghanistan, a guy who was against the merging of FATA with KPK.
6. He is against CPEC.
7. He is against building the wall at Pak Afghanistan border
What does these points show?
He is Pashtoon himsrlf but living in Karachi. He doesnt know the ground realities in Waziristan and rest of the Pashtoon area
Everyone knows Rao Anwar is Asif Ali Zardaris man yet hypocrites Manzoor chose to Hijack justice for naqib to agitate against the army Instead of zardari. He still hasnt said anything against Zardari. And yet PTM supporters continue to shamelessly pretend Manzoor gives a diddly squat about Naqibullah Mehsud.
Now were seeing Manzoor Pashteen start his Pashtun Thafuz Movement agitation in collaboration with TTP who are hiding some where their lives have been made hell due to army operation and they are finding difficult to send their terrorists inside Pakistan because of border fencing and army checkposts all across FATA.
A true supporter of the Pashtun peoples rights can never support Manzoor hypocrite Pashteen because he and his PTM are the Pashtun people open enemies.
i think it's rather you who seems like an outsider who doesn't know the ground realities in FATA and KPK.
1. Pashteen was only 15 years old when TTP happened in 2007
2. See 1, Pashteen was only 22 years old - many haven't even finished college by that age.
3. Taliban planted some to stop army, but Army has planted it in civilian areas instead of removing what was there, which have blown up many civilians. These need to be removed, simple as that. I am sure you wouldn't want a bomb next to your house even if you just went through a war yesterday.
4. Checkposts need to be removed from civilian areas, create as many as needed on the border and no one cares. The harassment on these check posts is unbearable, I have witnessed it myself. I am sure even if his brother was involved in TTP, he won't be worried about a check post all the way inside Swat if he has crossed the border already.
5. As much as i don't like Achakzai, he is as much Pakistani as anyone else. He has never demanded for anything with Afghanistan. He is part of the N league led government and he is a parliamentarian in a PAKISTANI parliament. He is just as worse as Nawaz shareef as a politician, looking for an opportunity here to gain some votes from Pukhtuns.
6. Don't propagate, Pashteen/pakhtuns are not against CPEC. KPK and Balochistan just want to have their share of the pie and have it not be stolen by Punjab as it always does.
7. Again, no Pukhtun cares about wall/fence with Afghanistan. We should rather have one against India as well which is a bigger threat and killing Pakistan soldiers on daily basis.
I have not supported this movement even one bit, but seeing how the media is blocking them out makes me wonder why that is so. Their demands are legit and they should be met. Pashteen is not going away, he is going to be the new face of Pukhtun leadership for many years to come and it's time for government and army to meet his legitimate demands. Being a Pukhtun and a Pakistani he has every bit of a right to protest for his demands as anyone else in the country.
What I don't support of Pashteen's agenda is him blaming the Army for all problems. This creates hate against certain institutions only and it can only lead to worse situation.
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First of all thanks for replying and it's a relieve to know that you don't support his agenda. Whatever i said is based on ground facs via my personal visits. I am in a kind of a job due to which i have visited all places frequently.
1. You brought age and college stuff so let me ask, that time about 3 years ago in 2015-16 he was educated enough to tweet against Army, to tweet Pashtonistan stuff, to tweet fake images of building, injured people who were actually from Afghanistan but he used to claim that these things happened in Waziristan e.t.c
2.I never claimed that the people are always well treated at check posts, but people claiming that every time they are ill treated that is wrong. There are obviously some here and there cases, but not every time. Just yesterday some terrorists were caught at the check posts who were dressed in woman clothes (You can search for it am pretty sure this news is very public now)
3. No, it is a very well known fact that IEDs are used by Terrorists / Gurilla fighters, not by the Army. And to the same many of our soldiers lost their precious lives and also many innocent people.
4. I am sorry here your information is flawed about Achakzai. He said " KPK belongs to Afghanistan", he was against merging of FATA and KPK. ( I am not twisting the facts, you can easily search for it ) According to Mr. Achakzai Afghanistan will protest if FATA is merged with KPK. And also some years back he was seeking for a new Afghan province ranging from Afghan border to Attock.
5. I am not propagating any thing i my self is Pathan then why the hell i will generalize all? I used the term PTM / Pashteen that he is against CPEC (Mentioned in one of his rallies and am sure [MENTION=142451]Mian[/MENTION] shared it some where in TP section). Yes i agree that there is issue between Govs regarding the shares in CPEC and most of the shares is going towards Punjab and am sure PTI is already talking about this matter.
6. Again here your information is flawed, PTM + Achakzai is against building the wall at Pak Afghan border.
And you said there should be heavy number of check posts at the boundary well am pretty sure it will be against Political laws there because heavy number of Army personal will reflect a message that country is preparing for War or e.t.c
So there is no harm in making check posts in Civilian areas and i gave you the reason why also.
Every one is against the ill treatment of people and Army persons should be held responsible for this and there should be an action against them or their concern GOC in that area.
Now i am going to explain some more things which is related with this PTM and Manzoor Pashteen.
1. Why is the Western State funded Media like VOA, RFL and BBC especially their Pashtu services so actively engineering Pashteen as the "leader of Pashtuns" which isn't true because the "Red" Socialists are a tiny minority. Why is their official social media running from the United States?
2. PTM blasts on Pakistan Army every time in their rallies, i wonder why they never talk about Pashtoons murdered by America and their Afghani surrogate Army, for instance the massacre in Kunduz?
3. If PTM says that it is an Political Organization then why it is standing with PKMAP which denies FATA their constitutional rights?
4. Why are so many Afghan refugees turning up at PTM events and carrying out anti Pakistan propaganda in the West, is this a coincidence?
5. Who will explain the relation between PTM and NGOs which are funded by US, running by Gulalai Ismail, her sister and the one is run by Ammar Jan's mother ... All are involved in this movement.
6. Comission on Missing perons, reduction in check posts if you compare it to 2015-16, Naqeeb's case is already being handled.. Then what is the purpose of protest?
7. I am wondering why that all of Pakistan's ill wishers like Hussain Haqqani, Altaf Hussain, Tariq Fatah, India Media, Afghan President and Western Media backing PTM all at once?
8. They have failed to condemn TPP but they are blaming Pak army for every thing. Why ?
It's a shame that we pathans are supporting such nonsense.
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Have to say, your posting quality is top notch nowadays. Great two posts in this thread.
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Great post from Hermione and I hope we can ehar some concrete answers.
Also can the PTM supporters explain why we should continue to listen to people who shout and incite their followers to kill our faujis?many who are pashtun and gave their lives for this nation? there is a word for people who do such things..
Many posters here are focus on emotional aspect, terrorism is not some ideology, it’s an industry, it’s a dangerous one, as a nation or state, you have to be very dumb to keep investing in it, specially when that does not being any prosperity. No matter how dirty or holly your business is, if ROI is poor, who you have to question the investment.
Manzoor Pasteen at 24 is smarter then most Paksitanis, when he said “Jatni dasheet gardhi hai, ais Kay pachinko wardi hai”, Pakistan Amry is the sole reason terrorism industry is thriving in Pakistan for last 40 years...If you take money out of tweeter and invest in Facebook, that does not mean you have change your mind about portfolio of Social media, you are still invested in same industry. This drama of good and bad Taliban, good Mulvis and bad ones is the very reason terrorism industry exist in Pakistan. Before 1980 there was no Blasphemy laws thriving in Pakistan, nor those extremist madasaras, nor people were blowing up in mosques. Unfortunately nor an army of tablagi, nor these drugs or AK47.
People all over the invested in science and tech, and industries that use them. We invested in religion, Army, whole conversation revolves around security, and insecurity of religion. Bigger question is what is the result of those investments?? Did that brought prosperity to 200M people? Although I am against all this stupid nonsense ideology, but it’s not about what I like, does that brought prosperity? Do we have any data point that shows us that all those cultural and ideological investments were or are good, then let’s talk about them?
Why questioning the fundamental direction of country is considered traitor?? Why bring emotion into rational debate? Why we cannot have national conversation about the policies and culture that has led us to this state? You cannot move on unless you fundamentally challenge the status co, if the whole foundation is wrong how rest can be fixed? Has that worked??
When non democratic forces drive countries, you become like Syria, Iraq, North Korea. In all these cases Army was in bed with dictators, Pakistan is no different, democracy is just topi drama, problem for Amry is that it’s not 1980, when 50% of world was under military dictatorship. Now that is out of fashion, gives a bad name. They have to engineer shameless method to hack the govt. in Pakistan media it’s a norm to mention Amry and Govt as separate entities, in West I have never heard of that. army is suppose to be under of govt, they cannot have their own policies. Once Amry moves on from politics and stop running state within state, only then we can move on from critiquing army. Right now they are the biggest nemesis, Pakistan future economic prosperity has taken huge hit in last 40 years, we will continue to suffer as long as Army and religion are this strong
Manzoor Pasteen at 24 is smarter then most Paksitanis, when he said “Jatni dasheet gardhi hai, ais Kay pachinko wardi hai”, Pakistan Amry is the sole reason terrorism industry is thriving in Pakistan for last 40 years...If you take money out of tweeter and invest in Facebook, that does not mean you have change your mind about portfolio of Social media, you are still invested in same industry. This drama of good and bad Taliban, good Mulvis and bad ones is the very reason terrorism industry exist in Pakistan. Before 1980 there was no Blasphemy laws thriving in Pakistan, nor those extremist madasaras, nor people were blowing up in mosques. Unfortunately nor an army of tablagi, nor these drugs or AK47.
People all over the invested in science and tech, and industries that use them. We invested in religion, Army, whole conversation revolves around security, and insecurity of religion. Bigger question is what is the result of those investments?? Did that brought prosperity to 200M people? Although I am against all this stupid nonsense ideology, but it’s not about what I like, does that brought prosperity? Do we have any data point that shows us that all those cultural and ideological investments were or are good, then let’s talk about them?
Why questioning the fundamental direction of country is considered traitor?? Why bring emotion into rational debate? Why we cannot have national conversation about the policies and culture that has led us to this state? You cannot move on unless you fundamentally challenge the status co, if the whole foundation is wrong how rest can be fixed? Has that worked??
When non democratic forces drive countries, you become like Syria, Iraq, North Korea. In all these cases Army was in bed with dictators, Pakistan is no different, democracy is just topi drama, problem for Amry is that it’s not 1980, when 50% of world was under military dictatorship. Now that is out of fashion, gives a bad name. They have to engineer shameless method to hack the govt. in Pakistan media it’s a norm to mention Amry and Govt as separate entities, in West I have never heard of that. army is suppose to be under of govt, they cannot have their own policies. Once Amry moves on from politics and stop running state within state, only then we can move on from critiquing army. Right now they are the biggest nemesis, Pakistan future economic prosperity has taken huge hit in last 40 years, we will continue to suffer as long as Army and religion are this strong
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Of course sir gi but law must be equel for everybody including Pakistan army but when you have unemployment in you own country how can you think illegal indians in your Sugar Mill thats why i can not stand him.
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Many posters here are focus on emotional aspect, terrorism is not some ideology, it’s an industry, it’s a dangerous one, as a nation or state, you have to be very dumb to keep investing in it, specially when that does not being any prosperity. No matter how dirty or holly your business is, if ROI is poor, who you have to question the investment.
Manzoor Pasteen at 24 is smarter then most Paksitanis, when he said “Jatni dasheet gardhi hai, ais Kay pachinko wardi hai”, Pakistan Amry is the sole reason terrorism industry is thriving in Pakistan for last 40 years...If you take money out of tweeter and invest in Facebook, that does not mean you have change your mind about portfolio of Social media, you are still invested in same industry. This drama of good and bad Taliban, good Mulvis and bad ones is the very reason terrorism industry exist in Pakistan. Before 1980 there was no Blasphemy laws thriving in Pakistan, nor those extremist madasaras, nor people were blowing up in mosques. Unfortunately nor an army of tablagi, nor these drugs or AK47.
People all over the invested in science and tech, and industries that use them. We invested in religion, Army, whole conversation revolves around security, and insecurity of religion. Bigger question is what is the result of those investments?? Did that brought prosperity to 200M people? Although I am against all this stupid nonsense ideology, but it’s not about what I like, does that brought prosperity? Do we have any data point that shows us that all those cultural and ideological investments were or are good, then let’s talk about them?
Why questioning the fundamental direction of country is considered traitor?? Why bring emotion into rational debate? Why we cannot have national conversation about the policies and culture that has led us to this state? You cannot move on unless you fundamentally challenge the status co, if the whole foundation is wrong how rest can be fixed? Has that worked??
When non democratic forces drive countries, you become like Syria, Iraq, North Korea. In all these cases Army was in bed with dictators, Pakistan is no different, democracy is just topi drama, problem for Amry is that it’s not 1980, when 50% of world was under military dictatorship. Now that is out of fashion, gives a bad name. They have to engineer shameless method to hack the govt. in Pakistan media it’s a norm to mention Amry and Govt as separate entities, in West I have never heard of that. army is suppose to be under of govt, they cannot have their own policies. Once Amry moves on from politics and stop running state within state, only then we can move on from critiquing army. Right now they are the biggest nemesis, Pakistan future economic prosperity has taken huge hit in last 40 years, we will continue to suffer as long as Army and religion are this strong
You're just a polite version of Mamoon. Do you ever, ever in your life write anything that is even remotely pro-Pakistani?
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wow so now PTM will stop people from holding Pakistani flag that too in Pakistan? Traitors
<blockquote class="twitter-video" data-lang="en"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">پی ٹی ایم سبز ہلالی سے اتنا بغض کیوں رکھتی ہے؟ - <a href="https://t.co/qJEFGRaLze">pic.twitter.com/qJEFGRaLze</a></p>— Pakistan Defence (@defencedotpk) <a href="https://twitter.com/defencedotpk/status/990548708810018821?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 29, 2018</a></blockquote>
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His supporters on this thread have vanished, DRsohail called him the greatest Pukhtoon ever
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His supporters on this thread have vanished, DRsohail called him the greatest Pukhtoon ever
and the deep state ki sazish wala munda
this is happening again and again they are insulting Pak flag while you can clearly see Afghan flags in their overseas protests using Afghans as the so called Pakistan pukhtoons
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Peaceful Pashteen and his supporters? This patriotic man was attacked by pashteen's traitor supporters for holding Pakistani flag
Here is what he wrote
آج جب میں سوات میں منظور پشتین کے جلسے میں پاکستانی پرچم لے کر گیا تو افغانی مہاجروں نے مجھ پرحملہ کر دیا. میرا فون توڑ دیا لیکن میں نے پاکستانی پرچم کو سینے پر سجائے رکھا. فون آتے جاتے رہتے ہیں لیکن پرچم سلامت رہے گا.پاکستان کیلئے جان بھی قربان .. سب سے پہلے پاکستان.
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آج جب میں سوات میں منظور پشتین کے جلسے میں پاکستانی پرچم لے کر گیا تو افغانی مہاجروں نے مجھ پرحملہ کر دیا. میرا فون توڑ دیا لیکن میں نے پاکستانی پرچم کو سینے پر سجائے رکھا. فون آتے جاتے رہتے ہیں لیکن پرچم سلامت رہے گا.پاکستان کیلئے جان بھی قربان .. سب سے پہلے پاکستان.
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Where was this PTM when TTP was butchering the pukhtoons and Army came to their rescue? Imran was called Taliban Khan for being against army operations in FATA by khooni liberals and now this Pashteen guy is a hero? talk about hypocrisy
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A lot of these are Afghan refugees, truly a namak haraam Qom
His supporters on this thread have vanished, DRsohail called him the greatest Pukhtoon ever
i still call him....though i will not support such childish acts....as far as i know it was the guy who was abusing PTM on social media and had told them that i will enter there with pakistani flag and u can do whatever u can so they got personal which i still oppose.
Answer his question if you can rather than calling him an agent etc.
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not just in Swat they did same with a guy with flag in Lahore a coincidence? and how come their overseas protest include Afghan flags and afghan supporters? Come on it's written on the wall can't you see it what they are trying to do when finally Peace was coming in Fata. These guys want Army to leave Fata after cleaning it up so those terrorists who left for Afghan can come back and start their games again? No Army in the world will leave a place within a year after clearing it up .
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I used to defend them in past but it is true the pukhtoon refugees from Afghanistan are racist and namak haraam of the highest order they think their race is superior and everyone else is kaalia and daal khor.
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I don't have time to answer people who's sole purpose on this website is to bash Pakistanis. I am one of the biggest army critics on PP, yet noone accuses me of being anti-Pakistan because I do criticism properly.
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